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Posted by Michael Schaffer (Member # 1204) on 11-20-2002, 04:33 PM:

An earlier discussion here convinced me to try Opera and I use it now most of the time.
One detail however I dislike: When I load a new page with many images (such as the forum discussions with all the member portraits), Opera will often display the text only after all the images have been loaded. IE will usually display the text immediately so I can start reading while the images load. Is there a setting in Opera to change this?

Posted by Josh Jones (Member # 447) on 11-20-2002, 05:35 PM:

One thing you can try is to turn the images off and browse in text only mode. This will help greatly to reduce waiting, but there will be no pictures. click the camera icon under the back and opera buttons.

Josh

Posted by Daryl C. W. O'Shea (Member # 1303) on 11-20-2002, 06:28 PM:

Since Opera follows spec fairly closely I don't think it's possible since spec says, IIRC, to show everything at once.

Posted by Steve Kraus (Member # 476) on 11-20-2002, 10:02 PM:

Being able to turn off the pictures while keeping the other graphics would be a nice feature for the forum itself it make it easier on people on slow connections.

Posted by Brad Miller (Member # 2) on 11-21-2002, 04:30 AM:

Go into preferences and set it to never cache documents, but to always cache images. The images download once and then are served from your hard drive for whatever you set it for (5 days at a time).

Posted by Brad Haven (Member # 954) on 11-21-2002, 09:17 AM:

Thanks for asking Michael, i had been wondering about that myself...now i know! [beer]

Posted by Michael Schaffer (Member # 1204) on 11-21-2002, 12:53 PM:

I tried the suggested settings, but Opera still acts the same way. If I load a page, the background, the logo and the text portions Post a Reply etc still appear very quickly, but I still have to wait for the actual page content. I wouldn`t want to turn pictures off as it is a nice feature to see with whom you are talking.
If click on Stop while the page is loading, the text appears immediately but then I would have to load the pictures manually. That is one feature which is better in IE.
By the way, where is my picture? I submitted it a few days ago. Well it is not very pretty anyway [puke]

Posted by Daryl C. W. O'Shea (Member # 1303) on 11-21-2002, 09:13 PM:

The reason you only see the header first is because Opera waits to get all the image dimensions before generating the tableset (the way RFC spec says to do it). Some websites with tables will display everything before the pictures download because they include the image dimensions in the html code (which admitedly is RFC spec too). Since I don't currently have a significant amount of time to spend writing code, I probably won't make it conform for some time (until I go back to dial-up, then it will be fixed in a hurry [Smile]

Posted by Brad Miller (Member # 2) on 11-22-2002, 06:57 AM:

I don't feel this is a good idea to even try and implement. Personally I find it annoying when the text appears and then the pictures start popping up later, jacking around the spacing of the page.

Posted by Michael Schaffer (Member # 1204) on 11-22-2002, 06:39 PM:

I have Opera 7 beta1 now and it does exactly what I want: Display the text immediately and load the pictures while you can start reading. Obviously, this issue was noted by others too.

Posted by Daryl C. W. O'Shea (Member # 1303) on 11-22-2002, 09:08 PM:

Does it have an option not to do that? I'd hate to see such a good client wonder from spec.

Posted by Michael Schaffer (Member # 1204) on 11-24-2002, 12:06 AM:

If there is one, I haven`t found it yet. I have to say that Opera7 is indeed much faster (subjectively) than IE. With Opera6, I wasn`t so sure if it was really faster.
Also, the e-mail functions don`t seem to have matured, so I continue to use Outlook for now. The e-mail module seems to be unable to remember the password for my account. Or rather, it remembers only 6 letters and my password has more.
Under Opera6, it was possible to define Outlook or any other e-mail program together with Opera. That option is not available any more. They take it for granted that you want to use the e-mail module.

Posted by Adam Martin (Member # 641) on 11-24-2002, 03:11 AM:

Are you certain that it's not remembering the whole password? It may be displaying a fixed number of asterisks so that a passer-by can't tell how many characters long the password is. Windows XP does that, too.

Posted by Michael Schaffer (Member # 1204) on 11-24-2002, 04:42 PM:

Well, Opera6 showed a number of asterisks identical to the letters in the password. Maybe they changed that. Still, there has to be something wrong - I checked all the other settings like server names, port numbers, user identification - because the program often hangs when I want to check my mail. I have to enter the password over and over. At first I thought I had contracted a Trojan style virus, so I ran a virus check, deinstalled Opera and downloaded the recent version.
Of course, the problem might also be with my e-mail server but Outlook doesn`t have any problems.
I was going to reinstall the whole system in the next few days anyway. We´ll see what happens then...

Posted by Michael Schaffer (Member # 1204) on 11-24-2002, 10:40 PM:

The browser also crashes during some activities, such as forwarding mail.

Posted by Evans A Criswell (Member # 381) on 11-25-2002, 02:16 PM:

Opera just started crashing on me today at work. I haven't changed anything on my machine. I'm running Windows 2000. I had version 6.02 and upgraded it to 6.05 to see if that would fix the problem. Nope. Even bringing up my old WWW page http://home.hiwaay.net/~criswell/ caused Opera to crash after loading it. I noticed that Opera started crashing when visiting cnn.com, then started crashing after visiting nearly anywhere. I ran a virus scanner, which found nothing, and did a memory diagnostic on my machine.

So, I'm back to IE for now and back to annoying popup windows while surfing.

Has anyone else experienced a sudden crashing problem with Opera? That installation of Opera that started crashing today has been working fine with no problems for months!

Evans

Posted by Michael Schaffer (Member # 1204) on 11-25-2002, 02:47 PM:

Apart from the crashes when I forward mail in Opera7 beta 1, I had no problems with crashes. I sent in a bug report and even got an answer within 24 hours (!)
Yes, the new mail program only displays 6 stars no matter how long the password is, for security reasons, they said.

Posted by Evans A Criswell (Member # 381) on 11-26-2002, 09:38 AM:

The weird thing is that Opera is working fine today. I could not get it to work yesterday afternoon without crashing after loading a WWW page. Obviously, the problem was external to my workstation, because I haven't rebooted since yesterday afternoon, and the darn program worked fine until yesterday afternoon. I even upgraded it to a newer version and it still crashed every time!

The thing that gets me is it did not affect MS Internet Explorer.

I'd love to know the explanation for this!
[Eek!]

Posted by Brad Miller (Member # 2) on 11-26-2002, 02:50 PM:

Every once in awhile Opera seems to get a bug and needs to be closed and reopened. Also, file sharing programs supposedly cause it to get quirky.

Posted by Adam Martin (Member # 641) on 11-26-2002, 04:55 PM:

I wonder if these problems have anything to do with the banner ads on unregistered versions? If the ad server is having a problem, I can see it causing a problem.

Posted by Evans A Criswell (Member # 381) on 11-27-2002, 10:04 AM:

I'd like to know. After working fine all day yesterday, Opera is crashing again today when loading almost anything. If this keeps up, I'm going to have to ditch it. The problem definitely seems external to my workstation.

Posted by Daryl C. W. O'Shea (Member # 1303) on 11-27-2002, 10:11 AM:

Have you actually uninstalled Opera, or just upgraded from 6.x to the 7 Beta?

I would try uninstalling all versions of Opera, hard booting just for fun, and then reinstalling the latest 6.x release version.