Film-Tech Forum ARCHIVE: ShoWest 2003

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Posted by Greg Mueller (Member # 17) on 01-17-2003, 03:28 PM:

For a first time person the questions are, where to go, where to stay where to drink.
At least those are my questions.

Posted by Ian Price (Member # 14) on 01-17-2003, 04:31 PM:

ShoWest is Monday, March 3rd through Thursday March 6th at the Bally's/Paris.

If you have a friend in the industry that is exhibiting at the Trade Show, they can get you in on a Trade Show Pass. It does cost money so you must be willing to reimburse them if they ask. Last I heard it was $75. Other than that, a Trade Show Pass is about $400 and a full on ShoWest pass is $775.

Here are some hotel rates I got off of Hotels.com: All of them are within walking distance of the ShoWest.

Hampton Inn Tropicana $89.95
Boardwalk Hotel and Casino $65.95
Flamingo $85.95 (this is a great deal and a good hotel)
Quality Inn Key Largo $45.95
Bourbon Street $75.95 (Creepy Las Vegas at it's best.)
Bellagio $219.95
Venetian $259.95
Paris $189.95

I'm staying at Bally's for about $110 per night.

There will, of course, be a Film-Tech drink on some night, yet to be determined.

Other than that drinking and eating in Las Vegas isn't a problem.

Posted by Ian Price (Member # 14) on 01-17-2003, 04:53 PM:

And if you are looking for someplace to eat...

Eating isn't the problem in Las Vegas, deciding is the problem.

At Paris

- Les Artistes Steakhouse - French Steakhouse
- Mon Ami Gabi - Parisian brasserie
- Le Provencal - Italian style restaurant with French flair (Ky and I had quite a good meal here last year.)
- Le Village Buffet - Dishes from five French provinces (Always had a line)
- Le Café Île St. Louis - French coffee shop
- JJ's Boulangerie - French bakery (Good place for Coffee and pastry)
- du Parc - Seasonal Café
- La Chine - Hong Kong-style concept
- Ortanique - Caribbean with Jazz music

At Bally's

Al Dente
Bally's Steakhouse
The Big Kitchen Buffet (Site of the TFF Tech Breakfast)
Chang's at Bally's
Sidewalk Cafe (This Denny's wannabe is the site of many high powered meals before the trade show starts.)
Sterling Brunch

And you haven't even left the property.

If you walk across the street to Bellagio, you will find:

Le Cirque (Yes, that Le Cirque!)
Circo (like Le Cirque (same kitchen)without the tie and the attitude)
Necter
Prime Steakhouse
Picasso
Aqua
Noodles
Jasmine
Olives
Chintaro
The Buffet, Set in the atmosphere of a European marketplace, The Buffet features Italian, Japanese, Chinese and American cuisine as well as an elaborate seafood selection. Serving breakfast, lunch and dinner daily. (Site of last year’s Film-Tech Buffet Blowout)

Film-Tech has availed themselves of the Seafood Buffet at the RIO twice in the past years.

Off strip and out of casinos one can still eat, from Paul Mayer.

Great Mexican and margaritas: Lindo Michocan On DI between Eastern & Pecos
British pub and grub: Crown & Anchor On Tropicana east of Maryland Pkwy
Best Japanese buffet (sorry Brad): Makino On Decatur north of Flamingo

From Christopher Duvall

1. Everybody tells me, hands down, Rio is the place for the buffet.
2. As much as I love Caesars Palace, their buffet is EXTREMELY over priced and bland. My wife hated it. They do however, have some really ritzy places in the Forum. Wolfgang Puck has a place there, Spagos, The Cheesecake Factory (drool).
3. The buffet at Sunset Station off of 93/95 in Henderson and Green Valley Ranch off of 215 in Henderson is pretty damn good and at a reasonable rate. Green Valley is where my new theatre is. Historical note...that section of I215 is where the chase of Lethal Weapon 4 was shot.
4. Sam's Town buffet is cheap , but not bad. It ain't great, but you should be able to hold it down. The steak place there is pretty damn good however.
5. Stay away from the Stratosphere. That stench that Brad was talking about is very strong there.
6. The Bellagio...one of the best. Period.
7. The Peppermill near the Riviera is awesome. They have that classic Vegas feel to it as well. Feels like the Rat Pack could walk in anytime.
8. Riviera[b]...sucks!
9. I know I am going to get flamed for this one. I just love the [b]Denny's on the strip across from the Mirage. Call me a glutton for punishment...
10. Boardwalk Casino buffet made me violently ill. I did not know which end to stick at the toilet.
11. Carroways on the strip is cozy and pretty decent. A classier version of Denny's.
12. Harley Davidson Cafe is so damn expensive but it is so damn good.
13. ESPN Zone just opened up last year during the summer. My brother said it was decent but costly.
14. The buffet at Excalibur is decent.
15. I have not heard anything about the buffet at the Paris, but every time I pass it, it has that funky fishy stench. Note to Brad...avoid.

The options are endless.

This is a distillation of another thread on food at ShoWest.

Posted by Gordon Bachlund (Member # 124) on 01-17-2003, 05:02 PM:

Greg, if you stay at Ballys you will have little need to go elsewhere except perhaps to explore the Strip or soak up the ambience. With the Paris as its connecting neighbor, everything you could possibly want, and much that few of us can afford, is within easy reach.

Posted by Richard Fowler (Member # 893) on 01-17-2003, 05:17 PM:

Bring good walking shoes since the hotels are huge and a trek from the front of Ballys or from the Paris parking lot, will consume a 15 minute walk each way...plan to walk around since cab rides are expensive...we find it easier to rent a car if we plan to move around with some clients; a couple of cab rides = a small car rental.
Richard Fowler
Kinoton America

Posted by Betsie Beadling (Member # 591) on 01-17-2003, 05:55 PM:

I May Be able to Come this Year
Me and my Father might go to Las Vegas in March [thumbsup]

Posted by Mike Blakesley (Member # 26) on 01-17-2003, 06:15 PM:

I would say it is a good idea to stay in the Ballys or Paris. Last time I was at ShoWest, we had to stay at a neighboring hotel and lemme tell you, it got awful annoying walking back and forth to/from the room, having to negotiate elevators, casinos, parking garages, traffic lights and the like.

Posted by Aaron Sisemore (Member # 145) on 01-17-2003, 06:16 PM:

If you call Bourbon St. and say you are in Vegas for Vacation, the room rate is $49 a night. That's where several of us are staying this time around. [Smile]

We GOTTA do dinner one night at Quark's again! Maybe with more people this time? [Smile]

I am also up for Bellagio buffet and Rio seafood buffets [Smile]

-Aaron

Posted by Brad Miller (Member # 2) on 01-17-2003, 06:44 PM:

You're definitley on for Quark's!

Posted by Matt Hale (Member # 1518) on 01-17-2003, 09:05 PM:

Though I have never been to ShoWest, I have been to 4 NABs and 2 Comdexes. I have stayed at many hotels in Vegas but the only one I will be going back to is the Gold Coast. The rooms are clean (unlike a certain "5 star" place I stayed at once) reasonably large and have been redecorated in the last few years. The buffet is excellent and cheap, especially at breakfast.

The Gold Coast is not on the strip, but there is a free shuttle that runs to the Barbary Coast which is on the strip - right across the street from Ballys. The best part abut the Gold Coast is they dont raise their rates during conventions. While other hotels double or even triple their usual rates during shows, I have never known the Gold Coast to be more than $50/night.

Well worth considering.

Posted by Aaron Sisemore (Member # 145) on 01-17-2003, 10:44 PM:

I will have a car again too, Brad! [Smile]

-Aaron

Posted by Paul Mayer (Member # 355) on 01-17-2003, 10:44 PM:

Need to make a minor update to my local restaurant recommendations:

Lindo Michocan suffered a kitchen fire on Thanksgiving night and is currently closed (the owner Javier vows to be back soon). In the mean time his family continues to run their other place Bonito Michocan at the corner of Decatur and Twain (opposite side of town). Same great Margaritas and food!

Unfortunately I will not be attending ShoWest this year, same as last year. My scuffles with IATSE 720's enforcers last year at Ballys just put me off trying to get in again.

Posted by Kat Baggett (Member # 1154) on 01-17-2003, 10:53 PM:

Brad, don't forget your "communicator" to take to Quark's... [Smile]

I am up for the usual buffet's....Rio for that stink that some of us love so much...(sorry Brad) the Bellagio very yummy.

As usual I will be on my vacation..and spending the daytime keepping a slot machine company [Smile]

Posted by Paul G. Thompson (Member # 655) on 01-17-2003, 11:50 PM:

Josh and I have our rooms booked in the Bourbon Street Hotel. The rates are better than the Super "8" I booked last year.

Greg, are you driving down to LV?

Posted by Greg Mueller (Member # 17) on 01-18-2003, 11:59 AM:

Paul
At this point I don't know, although I doubt it. I might want to make a detour through Utah if I did.

Posted by Gracia L. Babbidge (Member # 582) on 01-18-2003, 12:38 PM:

Looks like I again will miss out on ShoWest. [Razz]

I may even feel bitter jealousy for three of the four days of it.
The reason its not all four is that one of those days I'll be seeing Tori Amos in concert - at the Merrill Auditorium, (quite a nice, not overly-large venue) with pretty damn good seats. [thumbsup]

One of these days, I'll get to check out ShoWest ... or ShowEast ... *sigh*

To all who are going - have a blast! [beer]

Posted by Greg Mueller (Member # 17) on 01-18-2003, 01:41 PM:

So what night is the Film-Tech drunk night? I mean...drink night
[beer]

Posted by Gordon Bachlund (Member # 124) on 01-18-2003, 01:46 PM:

Greg, for what it's worth....I booked rooms at Ballys through Expedia.com at $89/night. While not exactly a bargain basement rate, it's still not bad for being close to the event.

Posted by Aaron Sisemore (Member # 145) on 01-18-2003, 03:04 PM:

quote:
So what night is the Film-Tech drunk night? I mean...drink night

It's usually TBA at the trade show...

-Aaron

Posted by Mark Gulbrandsen (Member # 72) on 01-18-2003, 03:22 PM:

Greg, I can probably get you an extra pass for a days at the trade show.
Paul...Josh is comming this year!!! Great....We should have a Josh Drink night too. Only Coke and Pepsi products allowed though.
Mark

[ 01-18-2003, 06:52 PM: Message edited by: Mark Gulbrandsen ]

Posted by Mike Blakesley (Member # 26) on 01-18-2003, 06:49 PM:

Trad show? commong? Pipsi? I think Mark was hitting the [beer]

when he typed the above post! [Eek!]

Posted by Mark Gulbrandsen (Member # 72) on 01-18-2003, 06:54 PM:

No, It was the massage my girlfriend was giving my back while I was typing!! [Big Grin]

Mark

Posted by Paul G. Thompson (Member # 655) on 01-19-2003, 12:51 AM:

Mark said:

quote:
Paul...Josh is comming this year!!! Great....We should have a Josh Drink night too. Only Coke and Pepsi products allowed though.

You bet! Brad, can we set something like that up?

Posted by Daryl C. W. O'Shea (Member # 1303) on 01-19-2003, 12:57 AM:

Out of curiousity, what is the legal drinking age in Nevada that would prevent Josh from getting into a bar and ordering free Coke's claiming to be the designated driver. (Yeah I know, I'm that cheap! [Smile]

)

Posted by Brad Miller (Member # 2) on 01-19-2003, 12:58 AM:

Certainly! Instead of getting Josh drunk, we'll get him spazzing on caffeine. [Wink]

Posted by Thomas Procyk (Member # 1170) on 01-19-2003, 11:11 AM:

Although I've never met Josh, I'm sure it would be a hoot to see him drunk. See how far he could slide across the floor after THAT! [Wink]

=TMP=

Posted by Paul Mayer (Member # 355) on 01-19-2003, 11:20 AM:

For the record, Nevada's minimum legal drinking age is 21. [beer]

And our Blood Alcohol Content value for driving purposes is 0.10% though one can be arrested for DUI with a lower BAC level or any detectable amounts of certain drugs. The Feds have threatened to take away our highway funds if we don't lower the BAC to 0.08%--our part-time legislature (once every other year for 120 days) will be discussing the issue this year.

Posted by Paul G. Thompson (Member # 655) on 01-19-2003, 02:20 PM:

Thomas, I don't think you would ever see Josh drunk. He does not believe in that sort of nonsense. This young man has brains! [Smile]

Paul M.: Some cities in Washington State have "0" tolerance on under 21 DUI. I have seen other cities in other states with the same philosophy.

If anyone under 21 takes one schlook of Listerine and drives, that person is considered drunk.

Posted by Brad Miller (Member # 2) on 01-19-2003, 04:27 PM:

quote:
I don't think you would ever see Josh drunk. <snip> This young man has brains!

So you're saying that Josh knows the implications when cameras are around? [Big Grin]

Where is Josh anyway?

Posted by Josh Jones (Member # 447) on 01-19-2003, 04:27 PM:

Although, guaging from "Dumbo" those drunk bubble can really make you slide;)

Josh

Yes, I will be in attendance.

Posted by Greg Mueller (Member # 17) on 01-20-2003, 04:56 PM:

Gordon
Thanks for the tip. I booked a room at Bally's for the 4th & 5th through Expedia. Good deal! See you there

Posted by Bill Carter (Member # 156) on 02-08-2003, 08:22 PM:

I'll be attending as well, Monday through Wednesday.
Hopefully, I'll be there for one or more of the "group drinks".

Posted by Paul G. Thompson (Member # 655) on 02-08-2003, 08:42 PM:

Hey - if any of you people coming to Sho West are on the same flight as Josh is, team up with him. I will be picking him up at the airport, so you can hook a ride from us to the city. [Smile]

Maybe we can have a "Pepsi Bash" while we are waiting for Brad's flight to come in. Joe, we'll come and get you at the airport if you are flying in, too. [Smile]

My "Lemonzine" is a 1993 Mercury Topaz....But I can squish 4 people in it somehow.....

Posted by Dennis Benjamin (Member # 1137) on 02-23-2003, 05:04 PM:

Look me up.......

Dennis Benjamin
General Manager
Crown Neonopolis 14
450 Fremont St. #370
Las Vegas, NV 89101

I am still looking for a floor pass into the convention......

[Wink]

Posted by Steve Guttag (Member # 268) on 02-23-2003, 05:11 PM:

Well...I''m finally booked for ShoWest...but will be there pretty much just for the trade show times...coming in on Tuesday morning...leaving Thursday afternoon.

See you all there.

steve

PS, Brad will the cheese and deli plates be at the FT drink? [Wink]

Posted by Brad Miller (Member # 2) on 02-23-2003, 05:11 PM:

Can we bring the FT klan out for a tour of your theater Dennis? [Cool]

I will be arriving early Monday morning and leaving late Thursday evening. Those of you who have my cell phone number, give me a call when you get into town. Who wants to get together Monday night? We'll get Josh plastered on caffeine. [evil]

The annual Film-Tech Drink will be Wednesday evening around 7:00ish. I will post a note at the top of the forum by next Sunday with whatever specifics are known at that point.

Yes Steve, I plan on getting some more of those cheese plates you enjoyed so much. [Wink]

Any other requests?

Posted by Jeffry L. Johnson (Member # 453) on 02-23-2003, 06:05 PM:

The SMPTE Committee on Projection Technology (P3) will meet on Wednesday, 2003 March 5, from 2:00 to 4:00 PM at Skyview #1 in the Bally's Hotel.

Posted by Bob Maar (Member # 763) on 02-23-2003, 09:43 PM:

I will be arriving on Sunday afternoon and leaving on Friday morning. My wife (Ginny) and I will be staying at the Bellagio for the duration. I have a bunch of meeting al-ready scheduled but please keep me posted because I need to meet all of you. Maybe we should all meet in the bar where Joe Delgato can pick up our drink tabs ( [Smile]

) YOU JUST NEVER KNOW.

Posted by Phil Hill (Member # 371) on 02-23-2003, 09:53 PM:

I'll be there the 4th thru the 6th at the Paris. Oh BTW, I'm thinking of wearing my armor... [Smile]

And, Bob, I will treat you to a 1/2 dozen raw oysters on the half-shell..... Yum!

>>> Phil

Posted by Paul G. Thompson (Member # 655) on 02-23-2003, 09:58 PM:

Bob, let's go out and "Strike A Blow For Liberty" as the Late President Harry Truman once said...An ex-grunt and an ex-squid - that should be a good one. [Smile]

ooooOOOOOOoooooo!! My 3,000th post! Cool! [beer]

I knew I was a windbag, but I didn't think I was THAT bad! [eyes]

No comment, Josh.. [Big Grin]

Posted by Michael Schaffer (Member # 1204) on 02-24-2003, 06:57 AM:

I am sorry to spoil the event for you, I will come to ShoWest too. I will be staying at the Boardwalk Hotel from Monday noon provided I don`t get lost driving through the desert from Los Angeles until Thursday afternoon. (That means that I will be staying in Las Vegas until Thursday, not that I plan to drive around the desert for four days.)

Posted by Bob Maar (Member # 763) on 02-24-2003, 08:54 AM:

Paul, I am all for striking that blow for liberty. However we are going to have to watch that Hill fellow who calls himself Phil. He likes to eat those disgusting things that swim and crawl around in the ocean. I just might have to introduce him to a bloody steak and wash it down with a dry martini. Plus that georgeous woman with me is my wife.... [Smile]

Posted by Scott D. Neff (Member # 185) on 02-24-2003, 10:54 AM:

Being poor sucks... I'm gonna miss out on all the showest festivities all because I'm spending my money on other trips.

Oh well -- y'all have fun. [Frown]

Posted by Dennis Benjamin (Member # 1137) on 02-24-2003, 12:45 PM:

Sure - come and tour the whole place....

BTW - I got my floor pass to the convention...

[Big Grin]

Posted by Christopher Seo (Member # 7) on 02-24-2003, 01:39 PM:

I'm happy to say I'll be present for the trade show through Thursday, thanks to Ultra-Stereo (hey Clint! [Smile]

) and my fellow relief projectionists who are covering my shifts....

Hey Michael,

Need driving directions? I'm heading up from Los Angeles (actually Long Beach) too, probably Monday morning assuming I wake up. Better yet, you can follow me all the way up there! [Big Grin]

Posted by Michael Schaffer (Member # 1204) on 02-24-2003, 01:46 PM:

I could give you a ride unless you don`t want to miss the independence of going in your own car. I am renting one anyway, so it would be pointless if I parked it somewhere.

Posted by Paul G. Thompson (Member # 655) on 02-24-2003, 02:32 PM:

Michael, I hope you have a pleasent trip to the USA. [Smile]

By the way, Nevada is nothing but a king-sized kitty litter box, so don't get lost in the desert. Don't bring your dog, either. They think those "crunchies" they find are "treats"... [puke]

Posted by Lionel Fouillen (Member # 1475) on 02-24-2003, 02:36 PM:

Should European visitors wear a bullet-proof jacket ? [Big Grin]

No, I'm not coming unfortunately. I don't really work in the film business, you know. Just passionate about it, simply...

I wish you all a good time at ShoWest. Have a nice flight Michael.

Posted by Brad Miller (Member # 2) on 02-24-2003, 02:47 PM:

Wow LOTS of people will be there this year! Everyone be sure to head over to the Kinoton booth, as that is where we tend to migrate. The Kinoton guys will also know when/where our Wednesday get-together will be. [Smile]

Posted by Michael Schaffer (Member # 1204) on 02-24-2003, 02:51 PM:

That`s a pity, Lionel. I would have liked to see how Greg beats you up to underline his point that even the smallest American has more fight in him than any Frenchman. Technically you are not really French of course, but you come close enough.

Posted by Richard Fowler (Member # 893) on 02-24-2003, 03:08 PM:

The LARGE Kinoton booth will be behind the Dolby site [thumbsup]

Richard Fowler
Kinoton America Inc.

Posted by Christopher Seo (Member # 7) on 02-24-2003, 04:08 PM:

Michael,

Thanks for the offer, but being able to drive and drive and drive is one of the reasons I moved off an island!

Posted by Daryl C. W. O'Shea (Member # 1303) on 02-24-2003, 04:25 PM:

Brad, you're not going to let Steve drool all over 70mm Kinoton projector again are you. [Smile]

Posted by Scott D. Neff (Member # 185) on 02-24-2003, 05:22 PM:

I say this should be the year for the First Annual Film-Tech scavenger hunt. You have to go to different booths at the trade show and collect clues and silly floor samples. Whoever wins is the king of Film-Tech for the year. (Or queen).

INSANITY REIGNS SUPREME AT SHOWEST 2003.

Posted by Bob Maar (Member # 763) on 02-24-2003, 05:49 PM:

Scott - It's possible one of the guy's will be "The Queen." [Big Grin]

Wouldn't that be a hoot. [Smile]

Posted by Phil Hill (Member # 371) on 02-24-2003, 07:08 PM:

Oh, oh, Bob. Better get your flak jacket on.

BTW, Thanks for the offer of a steak dinner. While the steak would be nice, I much prefer either Filet Mignon or Prime Rib....medium-rare of course.

>>> Phil

Posted by Lionel Fouillen (Member # 1475) on 02-25-2003, 09:41 AM:

Michael Schaffer said:

quote:
That`s a pity, Lionel. I would have liked to see how Greg beats you up to underline his point that even the smallest American has more fight in him than any Frenchman. Technically you are not really French of course, but you come close enough.

Yeah

BTW, will some people boycott the Kinoton booth because it's made in Germany ? [evil]

"Being close enough to a Frenchman" is something never to be told to a Belgian. Quoting Antony Mason's hilarious book "Xenophobe guide to the Belgians":

quote:
The only thing that Belgians cannot abide, particularly the French-speaking Belgians, is to be asked if they are French. True to life, it sends Agatha Christie's Belgian detective, Hercule Poirot, into near apoplexy. The Belgians dislike the French with the kind of inborn passion that most Englishmen would recognize. The pride of the French in their own nation is, to the Belgians, the best argument against nationalism. How could the French, a nation so intelligent, be so laughably misguided ?

Posted by Greg Mueller (Member # 17) on 02-25-2003, 09:56 AM:

Thanks Michael for volunteering me, but I choose my own battles

Posted by Donna Sylvester (Member # 726) on 03-01-2003, 07:58 PM:

I will be there Monday-Friday. Hope to see and meet you all there. Thanks Paul for stopping by last night. It was nice to meet you. Appreciated the screw----Tightening the one in the soundhead, I mean. [Smile]

Posted by Bob Maar (Member # 763) on 03-01-2003, 09:20 PM:

So this will be my last post until after Showest. I will not be bringing my computer with me. This will give you all a chance to Catch Up [Smile]

Looking forward to meeting you all. Now, One more for the road.....Maartini of course. [Smile]

Posted by Gordon McLeod (Member # 33) on 03-01-2003, 09:30 PM:

I think I should be serviceing the other coast [beer]

Paul will you share?

Posted by Michael Schaffer (Member # 1204) on 03-01-2003, 09:31 PM:

Lionel wrote

quote:
BTW, will some people boycott the Kinoton booth because it's made in Germany ?

Actually I don`t think it is made in Germany. It would be kind of silly and expensive to import a booth from Europe. I am sure there are great carpenters in Las Vegas too.
I am not sure about boycotting, Brad wrote

quote:
Everyone be sure to head over to the Kinoton booth

That could also mean that he wants to gather people to storm the booth.

Posted by Daryl C. W. O'Shea (Member # 1303) on 03-01-2003, 09:37 PM:

You wouldn't want Steve to be lonely, all by himself at the Kinoton booth.

Posted by Richard Fowler (Member # 893) on 03-02-2003, 04:56 AM:

75% of Kinoton booth was shipped in from Europe including the carpet and furniture which was set up on Saturday. Kinoton will also be showing items from their studio and special venue lines in addition to the regular cinema fare. This is the largest show for our industry...it is no Photokina or NAB but will keep you occupied with a wealth products shipped in Globally.
Richard Fowler
Kinoton America

Posted by Steve Guttag (Member # 268) on 03-02-2003, 09:44 AM:

Nah, I'll have my own pair of Kinoton FP-75E-S projectors to install immediately after ShoWest....and unlike the ones at the show...I'll have a pair of them that will be set up to run 3-D if need be and project forward or reverse...and possibly tap-dance!

Steve

Posted by Richard Fowler (Member # 893) on 03-03-2003, 09:37 AM:

Kinoton FP-25 D and E projectors will be in operation at the main theatre in the Paris Hotel during the convention. This site will also feature the demostration of the new 2K Texas Instrument chip projector ( vs 1280 ) which was first shown two weeks ago in Los Angeles. The digital head is much smaller than the existing DLP units. They will, at one point, be projecting split screen between film and the new TI projector. I saw the rehearsal from the booth and on the floor on Saturday and even through the new projector was not showing all available pixels, the improvement was obvious.
This should be an interesting show.....Kinoton is operating a much larger exhibit showing cinema, studio, special venue film projection equipment and a new display product for lobby / mall advertising. On the show floor, Strong will debuting their new projector...Christie has a stripped down movie projector called the X-35....Ultra-
stereo has a new monitor to compete with the QSC monitor system and a video analzer for video and digital projector set up...several Chinese manufacturers will be displaying their projection,seating and sound equipment, Barco has a smaller Digital Cinema projector for screens 33 feet ( 10 meters ) and under...new models of amplifiers for cinemas from Crown/JBL.So get on your walking shoes and look, learn, and buy [Big Grin]

Richard Fowler
Kinoton America Inc.

Posted by Daryl C. W. O'Shea (Member # 1303) on 03-04-2003, 05:06 PM:

The sudden silence is deafening. [Frown]

Posted by Brad Miller (Member # 2) on 03-05-2003, 03:32 AM:

Not to worry about the sudden silence. Dwayne has been taking lots of pictures and I have been doing "ShoWest booth video tours", rolling a few minutes at each of the major booths. They will start appearing in the Sneak Preview section in a week or two.

Posted by Christopher Duvall (Member # 284) on 03-05-2003, 11:29 AM:

I heard a rumor that Joe has been dragged out here this year. Can someone confirm that he is out here this year?

EDIT: I guess I should say Joe REDIFER

Posted by Mark DeLettera (Member # 125) on 03-05-2003, 02:00 PM:

Anybody seen that "Pytlak guy" hanging around? [Confused]

Someone better find him.... check all those 'downtown' casinos for us, back here at the "Shop"!! [Eek!]

Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 03-05-2003, 06:23 PM:

I am comfortably tucked away in Denver this year. Not in LV. [Smile]

Posted by Christopher Duvall (Member # 284) on 03-05-2003, 10:41 PM:

quote:
Anybody seen that "Pytlak guy" hanging around?

I ran into John twice. The first time was right after the Finding Nemo screening and the second time was today at the trade show next to the Paramount booth. My wife and I talked with him for a few minutes before moving on to the free samples and snacks. He of course was full of information as usual and was shilling Kodak. Can't blame him...Kodak is good stuff.

I have also ran into...
Ian, Steve G., Oscar and I saw Josh with his spiked hair wandering around. However, I was kept trying to find Brad and could not find him. Oscar mentioned that I should be looking 2 feet lower than my normal line of sight...whatever that meant. [Big Grin]

Posted by Gerard S. Cohen (Member # 994) on 03-06-2003, 01:03 AM:

Is it true John Pytlak was kidnapped by the Fuji Film Foo Fighters? Did Michael Schaffer come roaring 'cross the desert
From LA in a souped-up Maybach?

Richard Fowler and others gave us a list of the new hardware on exhibit, and I guess we'll be seeing lots of photos, but is anyone taking pics of the wining and dining? Like tantalizing close-ups of seafood platters, Brad's thick steaks and Argentine grilles, and all the beverages? Those confined to back-home booths with a thermos and cold sandwich relish the thought.

Here's a virtual toast with my favorite brew from St. James Gate, Dublin. With some cheese and cashew nuts, it makes a nice lunch!

Posted by Mark DeLettera (Member # 125) on 03-06-2003, 10:29 AM:

quote:
Is it true John Pytlak was kidnapped by the Fuji Film Foo Fighters?

Gerard.... If this is true, knowing John...He won't be taken ALIVE!! [Mad]

Posted by Mike Olpin (Member # 1115) on 03-06-2003, 06:08 PM:

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I am comfortably tucked away in Denver this year. Not in LV.

Joe, you have to show up in the same place as Brad at least once!!!
We have to get to the bottom of this Brad Miller is Joe Redifer rumor!! [Wink]

Posted by Brad Miller (Member # 2) on 03-07-2003, 06:03 AM:

quote:
Is it true John Pytlak was kidnapped by the Fuji Film Foo Fighters?

I'm afraid this is true. We have pictoral PROOF! Of course John did manage to break away from Fuji's grip and is back at Kodak. Look for the pictures soon! [Wink]

By the way, those of you who haven't sent in your pictures for access to the Sneak Preview section will really want to get those in quickly as we've got one heck of a lot of material from ShoWest!!!

Posted by Steve Kraus (Member # 476) on 03-07-2003, 07:09 AM:

I look forward to seeing the pictures (or backward if I'm facing the other way [Embarrassed]

) but I would hope some attendees will post writeups on whatever was introduced there. So far we have the new TI 2K chip and a new IMAX setup.

Posted by John Hawkinson (Member # 1135) on 03-07-2003, 04:07 PM:

Don't forget the new DTS XD10. DTS now has a press release up.

--jhawk

Posted by Brad Miller (Member # 2) on 03-07-2003, 04:40 PM:

The short version of the new stuff...

DTS has their new player which has two DVD-rom drives in it and a hard drive (you can add a second one). It can store about 30 movie soundtracks. It has the captioning system built into it and will be able to display HD in the near future. You can load up the discs in one unit, then shoot it to the rest of the units in the building, then file the discs safely away. Oh, and did I mention it can do 10 channels? A VERY nice unit indeed! [Smile]

Christie has developed the first "davis loop" (like a SRD penthouse) in their projector as a basement reader. There are also lots of other nice upgrades to it, including a horizontal douser, round tooth belts and lots more improvements that engineers will love. (Really there was a ton of things on this that was great, I just can't remember all of it.) This was that projector that was in the extremely early stages of development last year that we found so odd. Now finished, it is definitely something to check out. [Smile]

Strong unveiled their new projector. It uses a standard Simplex movement, but has a one piece design (like Kinoton and Christie). Their gearbox has been changed much for the better, the new design shouldn't have the leaking issues most Simplex owners are used to, the gate and trap has been completely redesigned with long runners and tons of other improvements. The projector on display was not a finished design, but in their initial testing was reported to have a picture steadier than a Kinoton (that's a bold statement! [Wink]

).

Strong also has redesigned their standard Highlight II console (can't remember the new name) and really made changes for the better. No longer is tilting the console needed, for the entire lamp table and projector mount tilts on a couple of bolts in the rear inside the console. The lower operating side has tons of room for interface board wiring and so much extra room there you can mount a light inside to make things easier (I asked and hope Strong will just do this by default), store your projector bulbs and so forth. You could almost store a can of film down there! On the non-operator side I found the easiest by far layout of a power supply I have ever seen!!! Techs will absolutely love this new layout, for it is effortless to get to the diodes, contactor and well...everything!

There were lots of other fantastic products, but as for "first time" on display, these 3 were probably the biggest news and all look like great products.

I shot video at as many of the booths as I could and I think we got all but maybe one or two of the "projection and sound" related booths. These will be turning up over the next few weeks on the site as video downloads.

Posted by Justin McLeod (Member # 1329) on 03-07-2003, 05:00 PM:

That info totaly rocks! I wish I could have went to showWest. I would have loved to have seen that new DTS unit. I hope pictures are on their way soon.

Posted by Richard Fowler (Member # 893) on 03-07-2003, 06:21 PM:

The new Simplex projector gate is simular to the Ernemann machine with metal runners instead of velvet bands. The unit will need more refining such as a threading knob and minor film path issues....it is good that they are upgrading and use us ( Kinoton ) as a model of perfection [Big Grin]

The new Strong console has a lamphouse / projector tilt mechanism which their French distributor has been manufacturing for years for their market.
Christie new X-35 projector is as simple as they can go before there are no more parts to transport film [Wink]

I attended the official 2K demo for the TI DLP projector. I sat at 1/2 screen width ( 49 foot wide image ) there is great improvement in the image. Pixels where visible in white areas of the image due to the dark surrounds that the DLP mirrors show. They did A and B with Harry Potter on film ( Kinoton PK25D )and the 2K projector. The differences where subtle such as pores on the skin and contrast issues. Harry Potter, I feel, was a poor choice for film material since most of the effects where created digitally so transfer to film would be compromised. the server that was used for media storage was the Chinese GDC unit running at 70mbits at playback. Compression was noticeable ( and annoying ) during the Moulon Rouge clip and a rain sequence during Road to Perdiction clip in which large rain drops dripping from a hat where breaking up.
Richard Fowler
Kinoton America Inc....in route back to Miami, florida

Posted by Ian Price (Member # 14) on 03-07-2003, 08:54 PM:

ShoWest 2003

Monday I showed up in Las Vegas with enough time to check in to Bally’s and get a sandwich at the Patisserie before heading over to the Orleans to watch some film.

The first film I saw was The Cooler from Lion’s Gate Films. William H. Macy plays an unlucky gambler who has been hired (by breaking his legs) to turn other gambler’s hot streaks cool. But then he falls in love and his luck changes. This should do well at the Art houses.

At the reception I ran in to Jim Bedford of the Telluride Film Festival and Bobby Pinkston of Dolby. I was also able to have a bit of a chat with my bookers. Once again the jazz combo played too loud for a reception where people wanted to talk.

The next film I saw was Whale Rider from Newmarket Films. This is a story of a young Maori girl from New Zealand and her struggles to learn her native ways from her grandfather. This is a good Rabbit-Proof Fence, Himalaya type picture and could hook an audience.

Tuesday I got up early to eat breakfast and listen to the insurance and Variety Club chat. John Pytlak did present the Inter-Society award.

Next I went to the Opening Ceremony where John Fithian and Jack Valenti gave their state of the industry speeches. We did 9.2 billion in box office and grew 10.2% this year. It was the largest expansion of the box office since 1947. They were pretty happy. There is also an anti piracy awareness campaign going on.

I then attended the screening of Jim Sheridan’s new film In America. Jim Sheridan introduced the film. It’s a semi-autobiography of Jim coming to America in the 1970 with a wife and two daughters.

There was an opening day luncheon where Paul Richardson of Landmark Theatres introduced Steve Gilula of Fox Searchlight. I went up to them and introduced myself, as I had been an assistant manager for Landmark in the late ‘80s. They both remembered me and commented that they had seen the numbers from my current theatre and were impressed.

In the afternoon the Trade Show opened. It was very crowded and I couldn’t find anybody, so I just wandered around in a daze. I really don’t know what I saw on that first day.

In the evening Ky, Michael, Payal and I decided to skip the dinner and go out on our own. We got in at Del Circo at the Bellagio across the street from Bally’s/Paris. Del Circo is from the same people who brought us Le Circ. But the dinner was ordinary and over priced. But it was nice to have a quiet dinner for a change. Jack Valenti ate there this night as well. We saw him come in.

Ky, Michael and I held tickets for the late show of Finding Nemo. Both Ky and Michael thought it was too late so they gave up a ticket to Payal who doesn’t have a pass. So Payal and I went to Finding Nemo the latest flick from Pixar. We had to wait almost 20 minutes late for the doors to open. We sat down, the curtain went up and there was a full orchestra with 14 show girls and Robert Goulet singing "You've Got A Friend In Me" from the Monster's Inc movie. My appologies it's from the Toy Story 2 movie This was followed by confetti cannons shooting paper fish out in to the audience. Then the curtain fell and they announced Steve Jobs and John Lasseter from Pixar. The film opened with John Lasseter's first computer animation from pre Pixar days. (The only attribution was "Before Pixar") It's the Santa in the snow globe short. The movie Finding Nemo was typical Pixar and not as smart as Monster's Inc. But the animation of the background sets a new level for detail and beauty. This film was presented on TI's new Cinema Black, 2K DLP Chip. What we saw was impressive. It had all the benefits of previous DLP machines with twice the resolution. The cinema black was achieved by tilting the mirrors on the chip 12 degrees instead of 10 degrees.

Wednesday, I skipped the breakfast and the Anti Piracy seminar and went directly to the Trade Show. I gave Payal the Ian Price, quickie tour of the important stuff. Then I went off to the Exhibitor Relations Schmooze-A-Rama. Ky made some very important contacts there. I ate lunch with Jim Bedford and Suzanne Fedak of Wellspring. She thought I was cute. I never thought of myself as cute at 6'and 300lbs. Boy does she have a mouth on her. She and Ky got in to it over a film.

I went back to the trade show and looked around. But it seems that at the trade show we orbit around the Kinoton booth. I met up with Paul Thomson at the booth. Josh Jones was there. I ran in to Brad Miller, Dwayne Caldwell, Phill Hill, Aaron Siesmore, and many other Film-Techers at the trade show.

Chapin Cutler of Boston Light and Sound had offered to give me a tour of the booth for either the Theatre Des Arts or the Jubilee Theatre. I didn't have a camera so I offered to bring Brad along with his video camera. So we found time and off Brad, Dwayne, Josh, Payal and I went to have a look. There were two TI DLP machines, two Kinoton FP25s and two sound racks. There were two of everything for backup. One TI machine was with the new chip and one was with the old chip. One Kinoton was with the Geneva movement and one was with the electronic movement. The films were built up on 13,000-foot Kinoton reels and played as one unit. I'd like to thank Chapin for taking time out of his insanely busy schedule to show up the booth.

That night Payal and I went to see Anger Management with Adam Sandler and Jack Nicholson. Adam Sandler introduced the film. It's good but not great. Jack plays Jack and Adam Sandler doesn't stretch. We then attended the reception and got our free gift. Between Michael, Ky and myself we got three times the swag we normally get. We have piles of the stuff. There are at least 15 hats, and over 30 t-shirts.

We chose to skip the late movie. I then went up to the Film-Tech party of see if they were still going. I had a glass of scotch and settled in to chat. Ultimately I had 4 glasses of scotch and left about 3 AM drunk as a skunk. I tossed $200 in to the Mega Millions machine in an futile effort to retire, but will be working for the foreseeable future.

Thursday, I got up around 10:30 and went to the trade show. The crowds had thinned quite a bit. I missed the Universal Pictures product reel but Ky saw it. I was coursed to clime on to a Kinoton platter to test its strength. Pictures will be posted in Film-Tech. I felt like shit and Aaron felt the need to turn the platter. Although he turned it ever so slowly and gently, I still felt like shit. I am not sure if I was still drunk or just hung over. You will have to wait for the video to be published before I go further with this story.

I did attend the Final Day Luncheon because they had a goodie bag and we must accept our swag gratefully.

I then went to the screening of Dreamcatcher more to sit down than to watch a film. Lawrence Kasdan introduced the film. I enjoyed watching it and felt much better after the film. It is a horror film but with humor. There are many inside Hollywood jokes. It's sort of a cross between Outbreak and Alien.

All that was left was the Final Night Banquet and Awards Ceremony. I went back to my room to put on a coat and tie. I got to eat dinner with Brian Grazer, Adam Sandler, Diane Lane, David Heyman who produces the Harry Potter pictures, Catherine Zeta-Jones, Christopher Walken, Alison Lohman, LL Cool J, Antwone Fisher and Gary Oldman. Gary Oldman has signed on to do the next two Harry Potter films. Don't forget that it was me and 3,000 other people in the room as well. I was sitting out on the far edge so I relied on the large video monitors to see what was going on. It was a good meal as well.

So now I am back in my office digging through the pile of mail and planning my next escape from reality.

[ 03-08-2003, 12:26 PM: Message edited by: Ian Price ]

Posted by Gerard S. Cohen (Member # 994) on 03-07-2003, 09:14 PM:

Thanks for another great, total recall report!

Posted by Paul Goulet (Member # 297) on 03-07-2003, 10:56 PM:

quote:
We sat down, the curtain went up and there was a full orchestra with 14 show girls and Robert Gullet singing “You’ve Got A Friend In Me”, from the Monster’s Inc movie.

I think you meant Robert GOULET, at least get my fathers' name correct Ian.

Paul Goulet

Posted by Mike Olpin (Member # 1115) on 03-08-2003, 03:57 AM:

IAN, YOU'RE KILLLING ME!!
Go and study your PIXAROLOGY

quote:
We sat down, the curtain went up and there was a full orchestra with 14 show girls and Robert Gullet singing "You've Got A Friend In Me", from the Monster's Inc movie.

"You've Got A Friend In Me" is from the movie Toy Story.
Robert GOULET sings it as Wheezy the penguin at the end of Toy Story 2.

quote:
The film opened with John Lassiter's first computer animation from pre Pixar days. It's the Santa in the snow globe short.

John Lasseter's (not Lassiter) first computer animated film was "The Adventures of Andre and Wally B." for the Lucasfilm Computer Graphics Project which became Pixar in the mid 80s when Apple Computer's Steve Jobs bought the project from Lucas because Lucas saw "no real future" in computer animation. John made three more films before creating "Knick Knack" (the snowglobe one, which, by the way, does not have Santa in it).

The correct order of JLs short subjects are

For Lucasfilm
- The Adventures of Andre and Wally B. (1984)
For Pixar
- Luxo Jr. (1986)
- Red's Dream (1987)
- Tin Toy (1988)
- Knick Knack (1989)

Since I first saw Toy Story at around 13 years old, I have always dreamed of being able to work with the creative geniuses at Pixar, and consequently I know quiet a bit of Pixar history.

I, Mike, fanatic of all things PIXAR, hereby sentence Ian to watching all of Pixar's short films. Report dirrectly to this link to begin Reconciliation.

Posted by Mark Gulbrandsen (Member # 72) on 03-08-2003, 10:55 AM:

"Christie new X-35 projector is as simple as they can go before there are no more parts to transport film"
_______________________________________________________________

Actually it is an effort to get rid of the double sided belt, which is the cause of many problems in that projector!!

The new Simplex projector design has completely eliminated all belts.
Mark @ CLACO

Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 03-08-2003, 11:45 AM:

What problems did the double sided belt cause? Excess vibration? I've never had one break on me. My biggest problem was always that damned shutter belt. Might as well have used a shoelace.

Posted by Chad Calpito (Member # 1562) on 03-08-2003, 11:54 AM:

Sounds like this years Showest was a lot of fun. I've never been to one, but, hopefully I'll go to one soon. Does anyone have any recommendations as to what to visit at Showest?

Chad

Posted by Richard Fowler (Member # 893) on 03-08-2003, 02:13 PM:

Give me a chain drive any day [Razz]

.....I have two dealers who love Christie for the mounds of belts and bearings they sell [Wink]

Richard Fowler
Kinoton America Inc.

Posted by Mark Gulbrandsen (Member # 72) on 03-08-2003, 03:11 PM:

When you have a double sided belt like that, the inside diameter and pitch is always a bit shorter than the outside is....but they used the same pulleys for everything....without allowing for that. Look at the pulleys that ride on the inside sometime very closely and as compared to ones that ride on the outside. The inner pulleys ALWAYS have more wear on them.

The new style projector gets rid of that problem. If the belts and what ever pulleys, bearings, etc. are replaced yearly there should not be much trouble with any model of Christie. Most of the problems I run into are from kiddies replacing the belts and over tensioning them, not replacing worn pulleys when belts are replaced, and general lack of proper maintainance....all this on a projector that they say is maintainance free!

Chains are way too costly......

Mark @ CLACO

Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 03-08-2003, 04:34 PM:

Yes I've heard of people overtightening the belts and they snap within a day. I always used a few drops of Panef belt dressing as well. I also kept all the pulleys completely clean. Check out the pic below. That projector was over two years old when that picture was taken. Keeping them clean makes them run much smoother. I have seen Christies that get NASTY with a few months if not cared for.

I can't believe the industy only made 9.2 billion dollars this year and only grew by 10+%. That is ridiculous. It's that damed movie piracy! It's gonna put movies out of business altogether!

Posted by Scott Norwood (Member # 30) on 03-08-2003, 06:55 PM:

I still don't see what the problem is with gear-driven machines.

In any case, it's very good to hear that Strong, Christie, and Kinoton are continuing to perform research and development work on film-based projection equipment. Considering that a brand-new Simplex or Century (and probably other brands) is likely to last for at least 25-50 years, it seems that DLP won't be replacing the 35mm exhibition infrastructure anytime soon (at least not on a wide scale).

Regarding the new DTS unit: will this now become the "standard" DTS system, or will the DTS-6D continue to be sold with the new model added as a high-end option?

Posted by Richard Fowler (Member # 893) on 03-08-2003, 09:04 PM:

Chains cost more initially but should last the life of the machine. I have seen timing belts with a 400% markup to the dealer versus O.E.M. bulk pricing...which can generate steady ( just or unjust ) profit for the supplier.
The new DTS unit will not be replacing the 6D since some people would ONLY need basic digital audio playback at 40% less than the XD-10 unit...the planned features for the Media player are exciting due to the flexibility for the end user.
Kinoton also had a new product, the Litefast CA65, which displays moving graphics floating in space which can be viewed 360 degrees around a column support. The system is great for advertising and high profile branding with eye catching visuals which can be seen 50 - 75 feet ( 15.24 to 22.85 meter ).
Richard Fowler
Kinoton America Inc.
Richard Fowler
Kinoton America Inc.

Posted by Mark Gulbrandsen (Member # 72) on 03-08-2003, 10:22 PM:

"I always used a few drops of Panef belt dressing as well."
_________________________________________________________________
Joe,
I thought U were using Film-Guard on your belts and getting 10 plus years of life out of them.....?

Actually I have to commend you on the cleanliness of that Christie!! I never seem em like that.....You will also have much longer pulley and bearing life keeping them that clean.

I think that manufacturers have finally woken up to the fact that digital is going to catch on VERY VERY slowly and that supporting the present plastic based system is the best route to a decent bottom line. Also, that they will reside side by side for a very long time.
I wonder if Christie took "Digital" off the plastic based projection machines???

Richard, Are U sure you work for Kinoton??

Mark @ CLACO

Posted by Brad Miller (Member # 2) on 03-08-2003, 10:34 PM:

Mark, that was tried as a joke on one of the projectors in Colorado and turned out positive results. When I moved back to Dallas I tried it on one of the machines at Galaxy wondering if it was a fluke and the pictures in the re-review are of a Galaxy projector after several months of use. It actually works. [Smile]

Even though the machines in Colorado used either no lubrication or only Panef belt dressing, Joe always did an exceptional job at keeping them "factory new clean". I dare anyone to find a theater that has kept up their Christies as good as Joe did. [thumbsup]

Posted by Don Sneed (Member # 955) on 03-08-2003, 11:08 PM:

Joe, those were some pretty cleaned machines, I have Never Ever, seen like new machines in any USA booths in my 22 yrs. as a tech, Now in Japan.....you would past !!! The Japanese keep their machines like new..5-yrs. after opening, the entire booth is so clean, it looks like they just open...it was a pleasure to work with these Japanese projectionist....

Posted by Jason Black (Member # 684) on 03-09-2003, 11:48 AM:

Joe,

I'm impressed with the cleanliness of that projector! Please tell me what your cleaning method is so that i can pass it along to my booth personell. Our are 6 years old and I don't EVEN want to show the picture of the guts...

Posted by Mark Gulbrandsen (Member # 72) on 03-09-2003, 12:12 PM:

So Brad,
Is Belt-Guard about to be born??? I have a bunch of Christies I'll be servicing next month...I might give it try.....
Mark

Posted by Mark Gulbrandsen (Member # 72) on 03-09-2003, 12:24 PM:

Joe,
Just noticed that you missed a spot.........thought you might wanna catch this before it spreads!!
Mark

Posted by Richard Fowler (Member # 893) on 03-09-2003, 03:15 PM:

Mark I do work for Kinoton America as Director of Sales for Latin America ( with other territories in relationship with my Boston and German associates )with a sales office and future training location in Miami.....sometimes my typing fingers are faster than my brain [Wink]

I enjoy the 36 years of doing cinemas, special venue and production and I am glad to see Kinoton and other competitors investing R & D to give the customers the magic of a good show....the trade show was well attended but I did notice that some clients did not appear while others left early since they where concerned with our pending march to war.

Posted by Mark Gulbrandsen (Member # 72) on 03-09-2003, 03:37 PM:

Richard,
Was just kidding with U.....you typed your name and company twice on that post above [Wink]

Mark @ CLACO

Posted by Chris Markiewicz (Member # 1415) on 03-09-2003, 06:39 PM:

As a comparison to Joe's beautiful Christie, here is our P35C. It started life in the demolished Pearlridge 4 in Pearl City, Honolulu, at least 25 years ago. We got it about 8 years ago.

[ 03-09-2003, 08:08 PM: Message edited by: Chris Markiewicz ]

Posted by Greg Mueller (Member # 17) on 03-10-2003, 09:49 AM:

One of the items I was very impressed with was at the DTS display. I don't know if this is a new item or not but I though it was very innovative. It is a projector that can project subtitles on the screen in any of a number of languages. Apparently this information is on disks like (or with) the DTS sound track. So potentially you could run an english analog track film, with German DTS audio and Spanish subtitles, or a variety of other combinations. Of course you can also use it for the hearing impaired and have it all in one language.
Pretty slick!

Posted by Daryl C. W. O'Shea (Member # 1303) on 03-10-2003, 10:32 AM:

The subtitling system was also at ShoWest last year. You can see pics of the DTS booth at the bottom of this page: The ShoWest trade show floor page 4 and the top of this page: The ShoWest trade show floor page 5.

Posted by Ian Price (Member # 14) on 03-16-2003, 12:55 PM:

At ShoWest I was a little oblivious to it, but there was quite a lot of opportunities for Drinking. As the Bob Maar video shows, there were Maartoonies being served on the Trade Show Floor. There was a lunch called the Shmooz-A-Rama where every exhibitor relation’s booth seemed to offer a mixed drink or wine. I didn't participate as I don't drink with lunch. Also at every manufacture’s hospitality suite there were wines or mixed drinks.

I know the idea of drinking at or near lunch had become socially unacceptable. Is this attitude changing again?

What do drinking and the economy have in common? We are in an economic downturn in this country. However the exhibition industry just came off their best year in quite a while. That said, the equipment suppliers did not have as good a year as the exhibitors.

So what's with all the drinking?

Posted by Gordon McLeod (Member # 33) on 03-16-2003, 01:36 PM:

I think the proper term is the 3 martini lunch
I am sure Bob will correct me if I am wrong

Posted by Tim Reed (Member # 137) on 03-16-2003, 01:39 PM:

Never touch the stuff... no problem.
[Smile]

Re: Christie projectors (and others like Cinemecheapica V5's)... why they just don't use chains is beyond me. Never have to replace them (answered my own question), they don't skip teeth, and they run quieter, too.

Posted by Daniel Burns (Member # 1549) on 03-16-2003, 08:37 PM:

The theatre I work at has one of the DTS-CSS. We do not have the projector that puts the subtitles on screen but we have these little glass windows that fit into the cupholder and it shows the reflection off the back wall marquee type system, so everyone doesn't have to see the subtitles.

Posted by Phil Hill (Member # 371) on 03-16-2003, 09:22 PM:

That closed caption display system is called "Rear Window" and is in common use in the 870/1570 Large Format world.

>>> Phil

Posted by John Pytlak (Member # 331) on 03-17-2003, 12:33 PM:

Link to the DTS Cinema Subtitling System:

http://www.dtsonline.com/cinema/products.html#css

http://www.dtsonline.com/cinema/dts-css.html#exhibit

Link to the new XD10 processor:

http://www.dtsonline.com/cinema/030403.html

More on the WGBH MOPIX "Rear Window" Access project:

http://ncam.wgbh.org/mopix/

[ 03-17-2003, 03:25 PM: Message edited by: John Pytlak ]