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Posted by Nate Lehrke (Member # 1460) on 02-07-2003, 02:21 AM:
 
I have a Dell Inspiron 2600 Laptop with all my audio files on it. I also have a shit-ass-tic E-Machines T1150 with my internal CD burner.

I want to get the audio files burnt. Are there any options to use the desktop’s burner for the laptop’s files?

Any & all ideas would be great. My other option is too get a hold of a Zip drive & transfer everything by disk; I really don’t want to do that.
 

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Posted by Darryl Spicer (Member # 711) on 02-07-2003, 02:27 AM:
 
Does your computers have network capabilities. If they have ethernet capabilities you may be able to tie the two together and transfer the files over. Now I don't know if this will work. THis is mainly just a thought since I am not familure with the two computers you are using.
 

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Posted by Nate Lehrke (Member # 1460) on 02-07-2003, 02:39 AM:
 
The Laptop has a network card with ethernet capabilities but the desktop with the burner hasn't got crap; no network card & no modem capabilities (save that problem for a different night)
 

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Posted by Darryl Spicer (Member # 711) on 02-07-2003, 02:42 AM:
 
And it being an E machine you probably can't add anything to it.
 

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Posted by Nate Lehrke (Member # 1460) on 02-07-2003, 02:45 AM:
 
Actually this E Machine has extra slots, so I could add a network to it. Any idea what that would cost?
 

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Posted by Darryl Spicer (Member # 711) on 02-07-2003, 02:50 AM:
 
I have seen those ethernet cards for PCI slots as low as $14.95. Surely I would think it would run you no more than $30 for a simple card. May be worth a shot. Then you could get a cable modem if you have that in your area.
 

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Posted by Darryl Spicer (Member # 711) on 02-07-2003, 02:53 AM:
 
I don't know if you can connect direct or not I have never tried it. You may need a router too.
 

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Posted by John Moriarty (Member # 1153) on 02-07-2003, 03:31 AM:
 
No problem connecting two machines together (without a router/switch/hub), but you will need a crossover cable to do this. Should be available from any good supplier (same place as you get the card?). Almost certainly the cheapest practical option.

John
 

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Posted by Nate Lehrke (Member # 1460) on 02-07-2003, 03:35 AM:
 
So if I have a network card in the E-Machine's & I purchase the correct cable, all will be good?

Here's another question: With the network cards installed, I can use 1 printer for the two machines?
 

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Posted by Paul G. Thompson (Member # 655) on 02-07-2003, 03:36 AM:
 
When you put in a network card, don't expect it to do what you want it to do immediately. You have to install the right protocols, workgroup, and file/printer sharing. It is very simple to do, but if it is your first time you tried to do it, you will probably pull your hair out.

There are plenty of us who can step you though the steps. Be sure to have your OS disk handy though. Without it, you might be dead in the water unless there is an OS installation cab files already on your hard drive like Compoop did with their older machines. Can't say that about Emachines.

Windows 95,98, and ME are a snap to set up. But if it is XP, XP Pro, Windows 2000 Pro, or just plain NT, it can be tricky. I know very little about it, although I have been successful on my network.

However, with those OS's, some of the other FT "Heavies" will be of more help that I could be.
 

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Posted by Christopher Duvall (Member # 284) on 02-07-2003, 04:30 AM:
 
To add what Paul put here, be careful if you do have any of the XP flavors. The OS can detect if both machines were installed with the same disc. I think SRP-2 does this now. It phones home and puts a unique number on your machine based on it KEY-GEN and your hardware. Big Brother Bill is watching.

Back to the point, if you did use the same disc for the install, the machines MAY refuse to talk to each other. However, I have been known to be wrong so you may want to check this. Can anybody confirm this out there?
 

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Posted by Scott Norwood (Member # 30) on 02-07-2003, 07:14 AM:
 
Windows 2000 doesn't care if there are multiple machines on the network with the same license key. Apparently Windows XP does. Yuck. The only problem with Windows 2000/NT is that the SID (random number generated at install time) for each machine must be unique, which makes bit-for-bit drive cloning quite useless.

Another possiblity (which is admittedly unlikely, considering that one of the computers in question is an Emachine): if the CD burner in the desktop is SCSI, you can remove it, put it in an external SCSI box, and get a PCMCIA SCSI card for the laptop. Probably not worthwhile unless you already have the parts.

Last resort: get a null modem cable and connect the two machines over a serial link. It will be very slow, but is cheaper than a ZIP drive.

I'll put in a good word here for Taiyo Yuden CDR blanks. They're about $.25 each in bulk, which makes them a bit more expensive than the cheesy generic brands, but I've never had one fail and have never seen a drive that would not read them. I still wouldn't trust them as an archival format, but they are a reasonable compromise of cost and quality. Kodak and others sell expensive "archival" CDR blanks, but that's probably overkill for most people. I'd pick 1/4" mono or 2-track on red-oxide tape as a better archival format for music, though the cost is higher than CDR.
 

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Posted by John Pytlak (Member # 331) on 02-07-2003, 07:36 AM:
 
Kodak CDR Media:

http://www.kodak.com/global/en/service/cdrMedia/index.jhtml

Unfortunately, with KODAK's announcement on January 24, 2002 that it is discontinuing its CD-R media products, availability of Kodak-branded product may be limited in some areas.
 

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Posted by Adam Fraser (Member # 1074) on 02-07-2003, 08:04 AM:
 
I dont know how well you know computers, but another option is to just remove the hard drive from the e-machines one and put it in the other one. Just set the jumpers on the back as a slave and plug in the IDE cable and power supply. You may need to turn Autodetect HDD on in your BIOS but after that you should be able to do it without any major problems.
 

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Posted by Leo Enticknap (Member # 534) on 02-07-2003, 09:08 AM:
 
I swap files between my laptop and home computer using an Ethernet crossover cable and the Microsoft Windows Networking protocol. Both machines run Windows 2000. In order for one computer to 'see' drives, folders and printers on the other you need to set them as shared (right click on a folder, then select 'sharing' and then set up the access parameters as you want them). But once you do that, it all works fine.
 

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Posted by Daryl C. W. O'Shea (Member # 1303) on 02-07-2003, 09:28 AM:
 
You could connect your soundcard line-out of your laptop to your soundcard line-in of your e-machine and do it the old fashioned way.

A little more useful, for the easiest setup -- install only the 'Internet Protocol (TCP/IP)' protocol (in addition to 'Client for Microsoft Networks' and 'File and Printer Sharing for Microsoft Networks'), set the IP addresses on the machines (configured in properties of the network adapter) to 192.168.1.1 and 192.168.1.2 (one for each machine) and subnet mask of 255.255.255.0 on both. Then share at least one folder (even an empty one) on each to help out WINS, so that both computers can see each other.

Restart generously throughout.
 

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Posted by Nate Lehrke (Member # 1460) on 02-07-2003, 09:15 PM:
 
Say I were to use the line out/in you suggested.

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You could connect your soundcard line-out of your laptop to your soundcard line-in of your e-machine and do it the old fashioned way

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Assume that I have no understanding on how a PC works.

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How about you tell me that again in terms I can understand!
I am curious to how Adobe Photoshop will help me solve this problem?

 

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Posted by Michael Schaffer (Member # 1204) on 02-07-2003, 11:02 PM:
 
Wouldn`t it be much easier to borrow a zip drive or an external cd writer as originally suggested? You could even use a digital camera if the memory card is big enough. I have a 256MB smart media card for my Pentax camera which connects to the USB port and I have used it a couple of times to transport non-photo files between machines. Maybe an mp3 player could also be abused for this project.
I am not familiar with notebook hardware. Would it be possible to take the hard disk out of the notebook and install it in the other computer?

I wouldn`t go for the line-out line-in option as it will certainly lead to a loss of quality.
 

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Posted by Paul G. Thompson (Member # 655) on 02-07-2003, 11:05 PM:
 
Adam, with 2000 Pro, that might not work. I found that out the hard way. If it is a drastic enviromental change, the machine will just cycle through the boot sequence.

I'll bet "Uncle Bill" screwed up XP so it'll probably do the same thing.

I found Win 95, 98, and ME does not give a rat's behind. It'll just find the new hardware and install it (if you are lucky) and it'll run just as before. Like .

Remember this:

DOS = Nobody home, the lights are out.

Windows 3.* = Somebody might be home, but the lights are still out.

Windows 95 = Nobody home but the lights are on.

Windows 98. Somebody might be home, and the lights are on.

Windows ME = Somebody is home, but they are drunk. The lights are still on.

Windows NT = "Nothing there", or "Nice try"

Windows 2000 Pro = The person at home has brains, and is capable of thinking. The lights are still on.

Windows XP - Too damned smart for its own good. All the lights are off, except the bathroom to save electrical power. If you try to install the OS disk in two different computers, it'll flush the toilet whether you are done or not and immediately call Uncle Bill.
 

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Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 02-07-2003, 11:07 PM:
 
Nate,

If your video card is not set up for the internet you cannot burn CDs. Everyone knows this. Adobe Photoshop is an application that lets you transfer audio files from one computer to another to burn them on a CD, hence the name.

--Joe
 

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Posted by Nate Lehrke (Member # 1460) on 02-07-2003, 11:13 PM:
 
Yeah getting a Zip Drive would be ideal, the problem is that I have no friends what’s so ever. Actually you people are my only friends. I would actually have to speak with people for me to make friends in an attempt to use them for a Zip Drive.

Actually, I think that I have an old Zip but I just need to find a power adapter for it plus download the software & some how get the software on to the Desktop that doesn't have any internet capabilities.
 

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Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 02-07-2003, 11:16 PM:
 
I have an old external SCSI Zip drive I believe. I think they all use the same power supply. Want it? I'll charge you $0. That is my final offer. Take it or leave it.

PS - Why would a Zip drive need software? It should just be seen as an external disk.
 

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Posted by Paul G. Thompson (Member # 655) on 02-07-2003, 11:26 PM:
 
Joe, I don't know if WIN 95, 98, or ME will, but I know 2000 Pro will, providing it is a late model drive.

To hell with XP. I would rather convert to Windoes 3.22 before I would use XP. POS!!!
 

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Posted by Nate Lehrke (Member # 1460) on 02-07-2003, 11:27 PM:
 
Hey Joe, I have been doing some research & I concede to you. Photoshop’s uses do include

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“application that lets you transfer audio files from one computer to another to burn them on a CD”

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I apologize for questioning your authority.

As too the old external SCSI Zip drive. I would take it grudgingly; don’t you have anything newer than that? I am not sure if I want to accept your garbage.
 

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Posted by Michael Schaffer (Member # 1204) on 02-08-2003, 05:22 AM:
 
I think there are books which tell you how you can find friends. For a start, you could meet Joe as he seems to be living in the same city and I am sure he has no friends either.
 

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Posted by Daryl C. W. O'Shea (Member # 1303) on 02-08-2003, 02:56 PM:
 
Since you work with Joe, I can see why you want to avoid the risk of meeting anyone.

The AC/DC adapter for the SCSI Zip Drive is the same as the one for the parallel drive.

I was joking when I said you should use the line in and out's of your soundcards. If you wanted to though you would need a male to male 1/8" cord available at the Rat Shack and a piece of software capable of recording audio on your desktop.

The easiest thing to do though would be to go out and buy a network adapter card for your desktop. Seriously, if you pay more than $20 USD for one you are getting ripped off. I pay less for D-Link 580TX cards. Network cards are easy to install and if you have a problem I'm confident that we'll be able to get you through it.

Paul, DOS, Windows 3.1 and NT are my favorite platforms for the PC. It's funny how you like NT5 but not NT.
 

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Posted by Paul G. Thompson (Member # 655) on 02-08-2003, 03:09 PM:
 
Daryl, that was NT4. The first time I tried it, I didn't know anything, (and probably still don't) but Win 2000 Pro rocks!
 

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Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 02-08-2003, 04:02 PM:
 
Win2K Pro is the only Microsoft OS that gets a from me!
 

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Posted by Nate Lehrke (Member # 1460) on 02-08-2003, 06:39 PM:
 
Daryl:
Once I were to install the new network card, set up the little network; I would be able to transfer everything?

I once like people & had faith in the human race, then I meet Joe.
 

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Posted by Daryl C. W. O'Shea (Member # 1303) on 02-09-2003, 12:28 AM:
 
Yet bet -- you can map a network drive and you'll be able to access your laptop from your desktop just like any other hard drive in your desktop. It'll probably cost you less than you paid for shipping on that keyboard too.
 

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Posted by Nate Lehrke (Member # 1460) on 02-09-2003, 12:56 AM:
 
Thanks again everyone.
Once I pay the $14.99 for the network card & $12.99 for the cable's, I will most likely need help with installing everything, I will be posted question's i'm sure!

A side note on that keyboard Daryl: I got a follow up call saying that I actually don’t have the Complete Care coverage & that if I were to send the laptop in it would cost $700 plus S&H to repair because the motherboard would need replacing as well as the keyboard components. Well, you can guess what I told them! Also, now that they know I have a problem my original crappy warranty is void unless I have them fix it. Ye-yah!
 

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Posted by Daryl C. W. O'Shea (Member # 1303) on 02-09-2003, 01:07 AM:
 
Remember you'll only need one crossover cable if you just want to connect the two computers together.
 

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Posted by Nate Lehrke (Member # 1460) on 02-09-2003, 07:15 PM:
 
So I bought a Siemens PCI 10/100 Ethernet Card & Cat 5e Crossover cable. I have installed the card & downloaded the CD-Rom files.
From my desktop I have acces to all my shared Laptop files BUT the Laptop can't get anything from the desktop. My Laptop doesn't seem to know what to do. Do I have to put the CD-Rom in the Laptop too?

Also, I had no idea that I would be able to access my web connection from the laptop on the desktop! That's really cool!
 

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Posted by Daryl C. W. O'Shea (Member # 1303) on 02-09-2003, 11:41 PM:
 
It sounds like you haven't setup file shares on the desktop.

Right click on a folder you want to share on the desktop. If 'Sharing' is in the list shown when you right click, select it and go from there. If it's not you'll have to add 'File and Printer Sharing for Microsoft Networks' (or enable it) in the control panels network properties.

If you need more specific info you'll need to tell us what OS you are using.

BTW, sharing a printer works the same way. Just go into the printer control panel and share your printer the same way you would a folder. Depending on the operating system of the (other) computer you may need to install the printers drivers on the (other) computer when you try to add the printer as a 'Network Printer'. Basically you just run 'Add Printer' and select 'Network Printer' and go from there.
 

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Posted by Nate Lehrke (Member # 1460) on 02-09-2003, 11:59 PM:
 
I got it all working now!!

Thanks again for evrything all!
 

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Posted by Nate Lehrke (Member # 1460) on 02-24-2003, 11:46 PM:
 
I didn't want to start a new topic for this:

NETWORK QUESTION

I have two computers, one with Windows-XP & one, a MAC with OS-9.2.

What is involved to get these computers to communicate? I have connected a crossover cord between the two & I am able only to share a internet connection.
I again want to access my audio/video files from the PC on the MAC.
What are the chances of making this happen?

Edited because I can't spell!
 

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Posted by Daryl C. W. O'Shea (Member # 1303) on 02-25-2003, 12:01 AM:
 
You'll need either a client for Apple Talk networks on the XP machine or a client for Microsoft Networks on the MAC to use 'file sharing'.

I haven't done a hybrid network in years, so I haven't done it with OS9 or XP. I'm sure the wacko you work with would have an idea how to do it though.

Alternatively you could run an FTP server on one of the machines and connect to it with an FTP client on the other.
 

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Posted by Nate Lehrke (Member # 1460) on 02-25-2003, 12:05 AM:
 
The 'Wacko' I work with referred me here! He must just be to lazy to help me.

Any ballpark figures on a...

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client for Apple Talk networks on the XP machine or a client for Microsoft Networks on the MAC to use 'file sharing'

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Posted by Daryl C. W. O'Shea (Member # 1303) on 02-25-2003, 12:09 AM:
 
They're free... it's basically a driver. See if you can beat me on a Google search. You'll probably win, I'm busy trying to rescue a Novell network right now.
 

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Posted by Brad Miller (Member # 2) on 02-25-2003, 12:19 AM:
 
That wacko knows how to do it. He has it set up in his own house that way! That wacko must just be lazy.

Can anyone tell me what I have to do to network a Win98 with a Win2000 computer? I know how to network a million Win2000 machines together, but can't remember what steps I had to take on the 98 machine.
 

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Posted by Daryl C. W. O'Shea (Member # 1303) on 02-25-2003, 12:19 AM:
 
That's what I thought!

Check out this:

AppleShare IP6 Info

I only skimmed the first document, it looks promising. If you can't get it working I'll take a look when I have some more time.

Brad, basically the same way. Just make sure you ONLY have TCP/IP installed protocol wise on all of the machines. You might have to manually set either a 98 or 2000 machine as browse master (which one, you'll have to play with -- or it might work automatically). Even if they don't show up in the 'Neighborhood' you should be able to access them by typing in \\207.168.10.x in the browser window.
 

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Posted by Nate Lehrke (Member # 1460) on 02-25-2003, 12:30 AM:
 
Thanks!

I will download it all & figure it out.

To guess what the 'Wacko's' response will be: “I don't have enough experience with Windows XP to help Nate!”
 

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Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 02-25-2003, 01:56 AM:
 
I don't have enough experience with Windows XP to help Nate, but I'll try.

There is a not-very-free application for Mac OS 9 called "Dave" that will allow full file and printer sharing as well as all that other crap. Cheap it is not. But it may be getting cheaper since it is almost useless now thanks to Mac OS X. In Mac OS X it is built in. I don't remember the steps to set it up. I'll set it up for you soon. After it is set up you can just put an alias of the Windows desktop on your Mac OS X desktop. Just double click on that and you can see and modify/transfer all of your Windows files. In OS X the transfer through the Cat 5e cable (ethernet) is extraordinarily fast.
 

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Posted by Nate Lehrke (Member # 1460) on 02-25-2003, 02:09 AM:
 
Wow! Joe your right

Thursby Software: DAVE 4.0 $149.00

I like the free stuff better. There are some of the older verisons on Kazaa. Do they have to be downloaded to the MAC ya think?
 

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Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 02-25-2003, 02:11 AM:
 
I will talk to you about Dave later.
 

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