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Posted by Gerard S. Cohen (Member # 994) on 06-27-2003, 05:28 PM:
"The King of Beers wants to sell a taste of the Old Country.
Anheuser-Busch Cos. has introduced two new beers that it hopes customers will thinkof as imports, even though they are brewed right here in the U.S...."
Lead by Christopher Lawton, The Wall Street Journal, p.B-1,
June27, 2003
With its green bottle resembling Heinekin and brewed with imported hops, Anheuser World Select is marketed as a European stlye pilsner beer with a bitter profile.
"Bare Knuckle is a dark, heavy stout beer with a big head that will initially be available only in draft form at bars and restaurants--a strategy intended to give the fledgling beer greater cachet."
This is apparently an attempt to cut into the market for Guinness, originally (and still) imported from St. James Place, Dublin, but now brewed throughout the world. My retail beverage seller had only the Canadian brew during my last visit. I prefer the slightly more aromatic and flavorful Irish bottling, but it's getting harder to find.
The WSJ sees these new brews from A-B as an attempt to meet the tastes of younger, college-educated drinkers, dissatisfied with American national brands. They are designed to fit into the high-end market, $8.00 per six-pack or $4.00-$5.00 per pint.
I find most US nationally-distributed beers are watery, over-carbonated, under-flavored and are brewed too quickly and served too cold. Am I the only one who dislikes the metalic, tongue-stinging taste of canned beer?
Has anyone tried either of the two new Anheuser-Busch offerings? I'd be happy to learn your reactions to them.
Posted by William Leland III (Member # 1400) on 06-27-2003, 06:34 PM:
I have tried it and it was ok. I have drank many different types of beers, but to me it was like an import ripe off. Why pay $8 for a 6 pack when u can get a 12 for that. To me looking at the bottle knowing it is Budweiser but the taste is of an import, fools you. It was like when they did clear Pepsi. Telling the mind one thing but the taste is another.
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Am I the only one who dislikes the metalic, tongue-stinging taste of canned beer?
Gerard, my friend would consider those fighting words.
He loves the Miller Light in a can, it has that ping taste he calls it. He only drinks Miller Light.
Gerard have you tried Red Strip, Molsen, Killans, Becks, New Castle those are some of my favorite beers. But I prefer Budlight.
Posted by David Stambaugh (Member # 1102) on 06-27-2003, 06:59 PM:
I enjoy a good old regular Budweiser now and then, but it has to be in a longneck bottle (or draught if I'm in a restaurant or tavern). Maybe an occasional Coors. Can't stand Miller, have never liked it.
In this neck of the woods, microbrews are very big. Probably the most popular bottled micros come from Deschutes Brewing located in Bend, OR. They run ~$7.00 a sixpack. Their "Mirror Pond" ale is nectar of the gods!!
"Black Butte Porter" is a very dark, bitter brew -- very potent.
I've never had anything from Deschutes that I didn't like.
Haven't heard of or tried these new A-B brews, but will be on the lookout for them now that I know.
EDIT: Composing this post was hard work, made me thirsty. So right now I'm enjoying a bottle of "Cinder Cone Red" amber ale, 5.8% alcohol. Another one from Deschutes Brewery. Magnificent!!!
Posted by Gerard S. Cohen (Member # 994) on 06-27-2003, 08:54 PM:
William,
Of the brews you've named I've only tasted Beck's, which was
pretty good, but I prefer Heinekin, both regular and Dark.
David,
I drank at a brew-pub in a town near Boston, and tried three of their draft offerings, which were very good, with hearty foam and body. The Boston area bottled Sam Adams beers are also better than most national brands, to my taste. Have the brew-pubs disappeared, or are they still around? The one near Boston had huge copper brewing kettles, and a clean ambiance like a modern London pub.
Posted by David Stambaugh (Member # 1102) on 06-27-2003, 09:00 PM:
Here in Eugene there are probably 6 or 7 good brewpubs that brew right on the premises. McMenamin's runs a chain of brewpubs in the Pacific Northwest, and their beer is generally very very good -- I think they have 3 locations in Eugene. They usually have at least 1 beer offered on "nitro" tap rather than the usual carbon dioxide (I guess). The nitro tap gives it a smoother head, kind of creamy, and also tastes different. There happens to be a very good brewpub literally right next door to where I work.
Posted by Randy Stankey (Member # 64) on 06-28-2003, 03:57 PM:
If I can't get a good beer I won't take second best. I'll drink soda or nothing at all.
The only time I'll drink domestic is when we go into some place that we know doesn't have another kind but you are "expected" to drink something.
For instance, if you go into a "Redneck Bar", you order Budweiser. Don't ask questions. Just drink the Bud. If you're a stranger in a strange place and you know they only serve "regular" beer it's better just to blend in. Virtually nobody will fault you for drinking Budweiser.
Posted by Will Kutler (Member # 770) on 06-28-2003, 04:17 PM:
Budweiser, Coors and the like I will touch...only if i is free! YUCK!
While in England, I fell head over heals for the great ales in small English Pubs....high in Malt, resulting in that subtle beach-nut flavor with no hopps related bitter finish. They also have a higher alcohl content...YAHOO
! The only thing that I have found in the U.S. that closely resembles what I so dearly miss is Guiness....but damn, its expensive....what is it, gold or something
? But the trick to drinking Guiness is to keep is cold and constantly agitate it while drinking. Like good wine, the agitation brings out the aroma and taste.
Posted by William Leland III (Member # 1400) on 06-28-2003, 05:26 PM:
In the South we have Hops. They brew their own beer. They have 4 flavors, I think. I've tried 2 and i can compare them to Killans and Bud light.
My friend is from Pennsylvania and when he came down he brought a beer called Yuemgling. Its a lager portered, dark, kind of like Guinness. A great beer. I think it has become my favorite, but you can only but in Pennsylvania.
Has anyone here tried Yuemglings?
Posted by Aaron Mehocic (Member # 15) on 06-28-2003, 06:00 PM:
I think you mean Yingling. The bar across the street from the theatre has it on tap and occasionally I'll get a mini-pitcher with the other operators. IMHO, Yingling is good, but not great. Its brewed in the eastern part of the state and is a favorite among Penn State students and alumni. If anyone catches the program "Modern Marvels" on the History Channel, Richard Yingling is interviewed for episode on breweries.
Posted by Paul Mayer (Member # 355) on 06-28-2003, 06:08 PM:
We have a couple of brewpubs here, including Gordon Biersch a small national chain. I like their delivery trucks, which have printed on them an advisory: "Driver carries no taps."
Regarding Guiness, as Will mentioned temperature is important--if it's served too cold (as is often the case in the US) it develops an edge that takes away from its smoothness. My friend and video engineering/locomotive/brew mentor Bob Cadigan has a means for dealing with that. At the pub we ask for pint glasses that are right out of the dishwasher--the warm glass combined with the too-cold Guiness produces the perfect temperature, basement cool but not ice cold. Perfect, but of course this leads Americans to claim that the British like their beer "warm." Which reminds me of my car mechanic's bumper sticker: "The British drink warm beer because they have Lucas refrigerators."
Back from the long off-thread detour: Guess I'll have to try the new AB stuff. No high expectations though...
Posted by William Leland III (Member # 1400) on 06-28-2003, 06:35 PM:
Aaron, I thought that was how to spell it also, but as i was typing i was talking to my friend and he spelt it out to me.
Want to ship me a case....
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yuengling
Posted by Gordon McLeod (Member # 33) on 06-28-2003, 06:47 PM:
In Canada we have many micro breweries and also some small sized ones as well
I like
Rickards Red
Alexander Kieths IPA
Brick Waterloo Dark
Connors best bitter
Bud, Blue, Coors, Canadian
Posted by Ron Lacheur (Member # 1126) on 06-28-2003, 07:12 PM:
How about Molson XXX? At 7.3% per can, a whole six pack of that leads to an night of fun.
Posted by Gracia L. Babbidge (Member # 582) on 06-28-2003, 07:32 PM:
Budweiser aka 'Butt-wiper' is, as far as I'm concerned, nastiness in a bottle / can.
I won't drink it, the 'Beast Ice', or most other mass-produced beers from the north american continent!
I'm not too big of a fan of beer, but, every now and again, I enjoy some Newcastle, Guinness, or occasionally even Harp or Bass.
Posted by Chris Markiewicz (Member # 1415) on 06-28-2003, 10:58 PM:
When I was in California a couple of weeks ago, I had some Rasputin Stout, made by the North Coast Brewery in Fort Bragg. Served at "cellar" temperature, cool but not chilled, it was very tasty.
Posted by Gerard S. Cohen (Member # 994) on 06-28-2003, 11:24 PM:
Meanwhile, back at the ranch...
The almost forgotten brewers of Pabst Blue Ribbon Beer hired a new CEO who brought in a new Vice President for Marketing. His strategy for revitalizing the brand is not to spend on TV or print advertising. Instead, with almost CIA stealth, he has his reps infiltrate scruffy bars where bicyclists, mostly messengers, hang out, and treat them to free Pabst. The writer in the NY Times Magazine claims that since almost no-one can tell nationally distributed US beers from mega-breweries apart in blindfold tests, their way to increase market share is by creating an image leading to brand loyalty, rather than trying to upgrade product or spending large sums on advertising.
The bicyclist sub-culture group disdains advertizing hype, and the brand is seeking an anti-establishment, working-class image. They're keeping the old 19th Century style packaging, the blue ribboned, crowded-text fonts on silver and white cans,
and the same generic forgettable liquid within.
While in Brooklyn...
...which used to rival Milwaukie in the number and size of its breweries, all the big ones are gone, the latest demolished to make way for a housing and commercial development. I remember Schaefer, and wasn't Rhinegold once in Brooklyn as well?
Posted by Charles Everett (Member # 889) on 06-29-2003, 12:05 PM:
William III and Aaron referred to Yuengling, brewed in Pottsville PA. Yuengling is "America's Oldest Brewery -- Since 1829". I had a bottle with a cookout at a friend's house. It was OK, nothing special.
Canadian beer is great -- lots of flavour, lots of kick. Only wish they'd still sell it in stubby brown bottles, eh?
BTW, Ron, Molson should have named that brew xXx to cash in on the movie.
Posted by Gordon McLeod (Member # 33) on 06-29-2003, 12:36 PM:
Actually the stubby bottle is back Brick Brewery brought it back last year when they reintroduced Red Cap that had been discontinued when Molson's bought out Carling Okeefe Brewerys
They presently market in it
Waterloo Dark
Brick Amber Dry
RedCap
Posted by Rachel Gilardi (Member # 1016) on 06-29-2003, 12:41 PM:
quote:
I drank at a brew-pub in a town near Boston, and tried three of their draft offerings, which were very good, with hearty foam and body. The Boston area bottled Sam Adams beers are also better than most national brands, to my taste. Have the brew-pubs disappeared, or are they still around? The one near Boston had huge copper brewing kettles, and a clean ambiance like a modern London pub.
Gerald was that by chance in Salem? They have a great micro-brewery with the kettles in clear site from the inside and outside. Very nice place, good food too!
Posted by Bill Gabel (Member # 1105) on 06-29-2003, 01:24 PM:
William
You get Yuengling at alot of the Pubs here in New York City.
It was a good beer.
In Manhattan we have a nice micro-brewery over at the Chelsea Pier Sports center. It's called the Chelsea Brewing Company.
The one I liked was their "Checker Cab Blonde Ale". I tried afew of their other beers and they were all pretty good. The food is good also too.
http://www.chelseabrewingco.com/
Posted by Ron Lacheur (Member # 1126) on 06-29-2003, 02:57 PM:
If Vin Diesel drank XXX in the movie, it would have improved his acting.
Posted by Charles Everett (Member # 889) on 06-29-2003, 03:29 PM:
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The Boston area bottled Sam Adams beers are also better than most national brands, to my taste.
Samuel Adams is contract-brewed. The Stroh (ex-Schaefer) brewery in Allentown PA brews some of the Sam Adams sold in the Northeast.
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Have the brew-pubs disappeared, or are they still around?
Princeton NJ has the Triumph Brewing Company -- on Nassau Street about a half-block from the Garden Theatre.
Posted by Gerard S. Cohen (Member # 994) on 06-29-2003, 07:27 PM:
Rachel,
Salem rings a bell. But I didn't see any witches, only lots of students and friendly barmaids. There was a stream nearby, with a long mill that once used the water to power the spinning machines. Now I think it's a museum or art gallery, but it was closed when I visited. I had come there after visiting Concord and Lexington. Could have been Salem?
Gerard
Posted by John Pytlak (Member # 331) on 07-02-2003, 01:29 PM:
Some on-line reviews, including beers from Rochester's High Falls Brewing Company (formerly Genesee):
http://www.beeradvocate.com/beer/review/302/844/
http://www.ratebeer.com/ShowBeer.asp?BeerID=75
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