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Posted by William Hooper (Member # 71) on 07-15-2003, 01:03 AM:

Josh, what the HELL do you want with a cart machine?

And why an ITC, when the Spotmaster with that funky lever to arm it is more satisfying to crank around with?

Do you know how carts proliferate?
NO, OF COURSE NOT, because you are in an area to which kudzu has not spread to give you an understanding of inescapability of being overwhelmed. You will get 2 carts, the next thing you know you will have too many, then you will have MILLIONS, you will be WADING through them in your room, the kitchen, the garage, picking them out of your hair, your nostrils, ALL ORIFICES, slinging them out windows, flushing them, calling your friends "please help help come pull these carts out of my orifices, they keep crawling up I can no longer go to the bathroom", not fast enough, no use, always more, more, more like Andrea True wheezed.

Just out of high school & already smoking crack! You don't need that junk like crack, crystal meth, cart machines, X, K, or silly nonfunctional fiberglass things pop riveted on a little car! Do your parents know you want a cart machine?

Posted by Sean McKinnon (Member # 612) on 07-15-2003, 01:16 AM:

good thing he didnt ask for a reel to reel.

Posted by Brad Miller (Member # 2) on 07-15-2003, 02:41 AM:

Geez William [Eek!]

Josh is working with some smaller radio stations and does have a need for those machines. Just like projection equipment, what may be junk to one person is just what the doctor ordered for another. [thumbsup]

Posted by Phil Hill (Member # 371) on 07-15-2003, 03:38 AM:

I agree Brad... and there are still PLENTY of R2R tape machines in use in little and big stations as well as recording studios.

Josh:
You might try Broadcast Service Company for that recorder. I think they're located in Dallas or somewhere in Texas.

Another I've delt with is Broadcast Equipment Company here in SoCal. Both companies have a ton of used equipment and I've had good luck with them in the past. They even run sales sometimes so get on their mailing lists.

If you don't specifically need that mfg & model machine, there are some cool floppy-disk & HD Spot R/P's on the used market at very resonable prices.

Also, a web search for "Used Broadcast Equipment" may help you locate a supplier.

>>> Phil

Posted by Scott Norwood (Member # 30) on 07-15-2003, 04:41 AM:

On the subject: if anyone comes across the manual for a Broadcast Electronics 3200RP cart machine, I'd be interested. I am not paying BE the $50 that they are asking for one, when all I really care about is the pinouts for the automation connector. An alignment cart would be nice, too. I'd also like the service manual for an Otari MX-5050BII-2 tape recorder, if anyone has one lying around, although I haven't actually tried to get one from Otari yet (hopefully their prices are more reasonable). Too bad there's no "Radio-Tech" equivalent to F-T where I can just download this stuff.

(No, I'm not smoking crack, and I'm willing to bet that Josh isn't, either.)

Posted by William Hooper (Member # 71) on 07-15-2003, 06:14 AM:

I thought he wanted it for the house or something. He didn't say. Looked like he was cracking up.

Posted by Paul G. Thompson (Member # 655) on 07-15-2003, 12:45 PM:

Sean, he already has two reel-to-reels. [Smile]

William, I already sent him 40 carts, and I have another 45 ready to send him. [Smile]

Carts are cool. [Smile]

As far as the cart deck with the gear shift knob....HAH! I wouldn't give 2 cents for. We have one in storage....that thing must weigh 60 lbs. Next step is the dump. [Big Grin]

However, I have a few BE "triple stackers" - and I am trying to land one of those for Josh. I think they are more stable than the ITC. Besides, I have some remnants to ITC's stripped to the bone, but they are older models. Josh, I'll see if the heads are still there, and if they are, you should have enough to give the ITC a head job, especially the one that has the goofy wear pattern.

Scott, email me on the 3200 manual as a reminder. I think I know where I might be able to get one.

Posted by Tim Reed (Member # 137) on 07-15-2003, 01:57 PM:

I loved ITC 3D's. But, I agree, I think the BE unit was slightly more reliable.

Posted by William Hooper (Member # 71) on 07-16-2003, 02:33 AM:

quote:
Sean, he already has two reel-to-reels.

If he had a Scully 280B, he would only need one, & he would throw dynamite at it as he rolled it down a cliff.
http://www.stationengineer.com/scully_280b_2-track.htm
I keep coming back to that page just to look at those things & raise my blood pressure. Look at that classic chip from the face of the formica on the front of the cabinet of #2! Think of how many knees have been gored & chipped by that thing!

quote:
As far as the cart deck with the gear shift knob....HAH! I wouldn't give 2 cents for. We have one in storage....that thing must weigh 60 lbs. Next step is the dump.

No! No! You must have a Spotmaster, & a C cart. Then, you get an instrumental version of "Theme From A Summer Place" & dub it 400 times to tape & splce them all together so it starts & runs without an end for hours. Then, you dub that to cart without a stop tone, & you get the 60s & early 70s all over again: Theme From a Summer Place running ENDLESSLY, & when it FINALLY stops, it just starts right up again! That's what put people on Miltowns, sent them up water towers with rifles, & made them crank up distorted guitars to drown it out!

quote:
I'd also like the service manual for an Otari MX-5050BII-2 tape recorder

The MX-5050BII manual is fat with foldout pages, do you need anything particular from it? I'd say check eBay; Otari hardware & manuals trickle through there.

Posted by Josh Jones (Member # 447) on 07-16-2003, 10:47 PM:

I got mine from work at the radio station, as they had 6 or 10 of those machines and they all had a manual. Try that first, you might get one for free.

quote:
X, K, or silly nonfunctional fiberglass things pop riveted on a little car!

HEY!! are you mocking my luggage rack [Wink]

Josh

[ 07-17-2003, 12:48 AM: Message edited by: Josh Jones ]

Posted by Paul G. Thompson (Member # 655) on 07-22-2003, 12:36 AM:

Scott, I have a manual on the MX-5050BII Otari, but I can't let it go. If you need some pages, I'll scan or xerox them and send them to you.

Posted by Jack Ondracek (Member # 1466) on 07-22-2003, 01:30 AM:

Spotmaster [puke]

Telex must have sold 637 billion decks for companies that were too lazy to do it themselves. Ummmmmm.... Sparta is another one that comes to mind. Tapecaster? Yep... there's the "A" team! Bias cards with no adjustments [Razz]

Give me an ATC, McCarta or a MacKenzie Repeater any day!

Even an old Gates deck could be tossed out of a remote truck at 55 & not hurt it much!

The BE stuff was pretty good though... especially before really decent 3rd party cards came out for ITC. That was too bad, cause ITC decks are pretty good.

Anyone remember the Gates ST101?

Posted by William Hooper (Member # 71) on 07-22-2003, 02:17 AM:

You could throw anything by Gates out of a moving vehicle & do more damage to the underlying rock structure in the earth!

Posted by Scott Norwood (Member # 30) on 07-22-2003, 05:33 AM:

Thanks, Paul, but I think I'll just order the thing from Otari, since I don't have any immediate need.

Posted by Matthew Bailey (Member # 601) on 07-22-2003, 02:47 PM:

I think you ought to visit www.8trackheaven.com
Telex used to make a carousel type cart changer that played
twelve 8 track tapes.

Posted by Paul G. Thompson (Member # 655) on 07-22-2003, 03:05 PM:

IGM at one time made carousels that played the standard cart in some of the automated radio stations. I think there was other companies that did the same.

Posted by Jack Ondracek (Member # 1466) on 07-22-2003, 09:00 PM:

You're probably thinking of Sono-Mag, Paul. Their carousels looked suspiciously similar to IGM's stuff. I may have my chronology wrong here, but I remember Gates having some wierd multi-cart machine that took up much of a rack... operating something like Schaeffer's Arista-Cart. The first 48-cart unit I ever saw was IGM's Insta-Cart... pretty cool if you needed truely-random access to any cart at any time. Maybe you know if it was marketed before the Arista-Cart design (multi-cart single play stacks).

The ITC stuff Josh is looking for ought to be just about everywhere, if he has the time to look around... especially where a station might have converted to digital.

Posted by Scott Balko (Member # 438) on 07-22-2003, 10:08 PM:

I love the old reel to reel machines. So much so that I use two of them in my sound rack for non sync. If I can't have reels on my projectors, then by gawd, I'll have them in my sound rack. [thumbsup]

Posted by Jon Miller (Member # 163) on 07-22-2003, 11:42 PM:

Since even blank reel-to-reel tape is getting harder to find these days, how difficult is it to find blanks for those old cart machines? Are new carts still being made, or are old carts somehow "serviced" and reloaded with fresh tape?

Posted by William Hooper (Member # 71) on 07-23-2003, 01:11 AM:

quote:
Are new carts still being made, or are old carts somehow "serviced" and reloaded with fresh tape?

You're supposed to sling them against the wall when they annoy you, & watch them explode into shimmering shards! That is traditional.

I've seen some place that still rebuilds carts.
Also, these guys got whatever was left of Fidelipac:
http://www.cartguys.com/

At least Fidelipacs still had pads to go flat & torment folks! Those brown Scotch carts ended up padless, with a plastic adjustment screw to play with when bored.

Scott:
Since it's a big job, Paul & I will split the job & take turns uploading sections of the Otari MX5050BII manual. I will go first.

Hold-down knob diagram.