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Posted by Ron Keillor (Member # 1790) on 10-25-2003, 03:14 PM:

This is the weekend (where applicable) to set clocks back one hour for the change from Daylight Savings to Standard Time. Remember to change timers too - lights and fans.

Posted by Evans A Criswell (Member # 381) on 10-25-2003, 06:35 PM:

Yup. Starting tomorrow, we'll have an hour less of sunlight each day, which will lead to the cooling off that comes with winter.

(I hope nobody actually believes that.) [Smile]

Posted by Travis Hubrig (Member # 1745) on 10-25-2003, 06:57 PM:

Do I move the big hand or the little hand?

Posted by Mark Gulbrandsen (Member # 72) on 10-25-2003, 08:20 PM:

No Travis,
You move the seconds sweep hand backwards 60 times [Razz]

.
Mark

Posted by Kenneth Wuepper (Member # 1174) on 10-25-2003, 08:25 PM:

Spring AHEAD
Fall BACK

Posted by Matthew Peters (Member # 1495) on 10-25-2003, 09:45 PM:

We all moved froward one hour on this side of the globe, that’s one less hour of sleep for us [Mad]

and one extra for you. [Wink]

Posted by Randy Stankey (Member # 64) on 10-25-2003, 10:03 PM:

Both my computers are time-synced to the National Naval Observatory. -- tock.usno.navy.mil

Two of my wall clocks are the "atomic" version that sync to station WWV in Fort Collins, CO.

My cellular phone automatically syncs itself to the phone company's signal.

I don't wear a watch because it's not a good idea when working with electricity and machines.

The only clocks I have to worry about is my alarm clock and the one in the kitchen. Some day I will have them replaced with atomic clocks too. It's not just beacuse I'm lazy. I like it because all of the clocks in my house will be syncronized to the national time signal and to each other... all within a fraction of a second!

Posted by Greg Anderson (Member # 235) on 10-25-2003, 11:27 PM:

This is one of my favorite weekends because I, too, have a collection of "atomic" clocks which will be resetting themselves tonight while I sleep. In fact, I have more than 50 of them. (I started collecting them in 1995.) I'd say that everybody should consider getting at least one "atomic" clock, seeing as how they're relatively cheap now. You can get a really nice, large, analog, radio-controlled clock for only $15 at Sam's Club, for example. And you know, Randy, you can buy a radio-controlled movement for your kitchen clock (if it's analog) and convert it to an "atomic" clock if you want to. Search www.klockit.com if you're interested in a little do-it-yourself project. Of course, some people are content to just get the "correct" time from their cell phones. Or you could always go to the National Institutes of Standards and Technology Time Web Page too. (And, thus, I will end this shameless plug for my own hobby and for the Federal government's atomic timekeeping operations.)

Posted by Randy Stankey (Member # 64) on 10-25-2003, 11:38 PM:

The one above my fireplace mantel is analog. It's fun to stay up and watch it change! [Smile]

Posted by Greg Anderson (Member # 235) on 10-26-2003, 12:11 AM:

I have a couple of Junghans "Mega Clocks." The hour hand is independent of the other two hands. When the clocks change for Daylight Saving Time (or when you change the time zone) the hour hand zips around while the minute and second hands remain normal. Kinda slick.

Posted by Luciano Brigite (Member # 1104) on 10-26-2003, 12:43 AM:

Heh.. you all set your clocks back one hour..while I set mine one hour ahead.. the only thing is that it was done last weekend for me .

Posted by Rick Long (Member # 213) on 10-26-2003, 01:47 AM:

So far as I know, the Candian province of Saskatchewan is the only place in which they stay on the same time all year.

Posted by Kevin Baglow (Member # 721) on 10-26-2003, 01:08 AM:

Queensland Australia (the Sunshine State) gave Daylight savings the flick about ten years ago, we all ready get plenty of sunshine here!!!

Posted by Chris Hipp (Member # 1788) on 10-26-2003, 01:09 AM:

Why exactly do we still do this?
Isn't it suppsoed to help out the farmers? If so, what does it help?

Posted by Kevin Baglow (Member # 721) on 10-26-2003, 02:27 AM:

Chris, I think the citys like it, because they can drive home after work in daylight. No good for outdoor theatres though. I hated it,-- I ran a drive- in when it was happening here.

Posted by Dustin Mitchell (Member # 372) on 10-26-2003, 02:42 AM:

I believe Arizona has also dropped DST.

Posted by Phil Hill (Member # 371) on 10-26-2003, 03:24 AM:

Actually it is/was the farmers that are very vocal in their opposition to DST.

More than anyone can possibly care about it here.

>>> Phil

Posted by Carl Martin (Member # 1146) on 10-26-2003, 04:46 AM:

i hate hate hate daylight "saving" time. i keep my watch on standard time all year round and just do the math, as a little personal protest. tonight i watched it change to 1:00 and smirked to myself.

the government should not be micromanaging our schedules. yeah, i think people get up too late and stay up too late, but legislating time anomalies is an underhanded way of dealing with it.

on page 3 of phil's link i found the following:

quote:
Daylight Saving Time also saves a small amount of energy in the morning when we rise. Studies show that 70 percent of all Americans rise prior to 7 a.m. during the workweek. During the summer months, sunrise is very early in the morning, so most people will wake after the sun rises. Because the sun is up, we will turn on fewer lights in our homes. Thus, we actually use less energy in the morning.

voila! a thoroughly specious line of reasoning, complete with irrelevant statistics. people sure are easy to brainwash.

carl

Posted by Chris Hipp (Member # 1788) on 10-26-2003, 09:23 AM:

Wow, that link was filled with 7 pages of usless mumble jumble.

I just dont see the point, if we didnt set our clocks back then it would still get dark around 7:30.

I remember when I went to see the first matrix, we forgot to change our clocks and then I didnt get to watch it.

Posted by Ian Price (Member # 14) on 10-26-2003, 11:51 AM:

One of my favorite activities on time change day is to show up at the theatre an hour early and laugh at all the people who show up early. It just happened. Guy rattled the doorknob and then rang the doorbell. "Do you still have a 10:50 AM Winged Migration?" he asked. "Yes and it starts in an hour and 10 minutes." What? I explained it to him and then he went away, I heard a great exclamation of profanity from the direction of the parking lot. [Big Grin]

Posted by Bruce Hansen (Member # 281) on 10-26-2003, 01:21 PM:

I tried to make my sun dial atomic, but it blew up, leaving a big hole in my back yard that glowes in the dark. Don't tell anyone.

I too have "atomic" clocks in just about every room, and I love not having to screw with them to set EST and DST.

Posted by Paul Salley (Member # 740) on 10-26-2003, 01:49 PM:

I do the same thing Ian! Happened today with 5 or 6 people pounding on the gate!! "HEY BUDDY WHY ARE YOU LATE OPENING!!!" I simply said why are you early! And then explained the time change, they were not happy.

Posted by Evans A Criswell (Member # 381) on 10-26-2003, 02:30 PM:

Actually, I wish we'd just stay on Daylight Savings Time all year, since it gives the extra hour of daylight in the afternoon when it's most useful to me. It's quite depressing when it is already dark when I leave work.

Posted by Chris Markiewicz (Member # 1415) on 10-26-2003, 03:45 PM:

Hawaii doesn't do DST either. Aren't there also some counties in (I think) Indiana that keep the same time all year?

Posted by Philip Wittlief (Member # 1724) on 10-26-2003, 05:28 PM:

Most of Indiana does not change the time. I think other than the metropolitan areas of Chicago and maybe some down south. I always have troubles explaining to people that we don't change time zones either as most people say we do. We are always EST just which happens to be the same time as CDT.

phil

Posted by Floyd Justin Newton (Member # 1316) on 10-26-2003, 05:40 PM:

Dustin--We did drop DST.... 30 years ago!! [sleep]

FJN

Posted by Gerard S. Cohen (Member # 994) on 10-26-2003, 05:58 PM:

Don't forget the other important thing to do, after changing the clocks!

Now's the time to replace the batteries in our smoke alarms,
unless we had them hard-wired, as in new construction.

Posted by Paul Cassidy (Member # 951) on 10-26-2003, 07:02 PM:

Here in NZ I think we have Half hr of Permanent DLS and we are now in 1Hr DLS for the summer , this gives us daylight until about 2100hrs , so can spend all our evening ours having BBQs and doing the gardens , but getting the kids to bed is abit of a problem [sleep]

Posted by Darryl Spicer (Member # 711) on 04-03-2004, 11:32 PM:

It's that time of year again for those who do time to spring forward.

Posted by Brian Michael Weidemann (Member # 2243) on 04-04-2004, 05:40 AM:

Oh, hey, it is! That was rather last minute ... Good thing I check Film-Tech in the wee hours of the night!

Posted by Pete Wolla (Member # 1581) on 04-04-2004, 09:40 AM:

i think we here in the north could do without daylight til 11:00pmin late june and early july

Posted by System Notices (Member # 2357) on 08-03-2005, 09:10 PM:

It has been 486 days since the last post.

Posted by Greg Anderson (Member # 235) on 08-03-2005, 09:10 PM:

So... the U.S. Congress and President are about to change the start and end dates for Daylight Saving Time here as part of an overall bit of "Energy" legislation. [Mad]

The "rules" for Daylight Saving Time have been the same for about 20 years in the U.S. and, now that so many of us have several gadgets that change automatically based on the "old rules" there's going to be an all-new set of rules. [Roll Eyes]

So I'll have to manually adjust the time on all the computers I use, on my GPS receiver and probably a few other things I haven't thought of yet. Sigh. I suppose my atomic clocks will be okay because they get their cues from the master clock in Colorado.

But the reason for extending Daylight Saving Time is, supposedly, that Americans use 1% less energy during Daylight Saving Time. However, that claim is based on a 30-year-old study and the author of that study was on TV last week saying that he doesn't think the data is any good anymore. D'oh! Meanwhile, kids around here will go to school in the dark for a couple of extra weeks in the Fall, airlines are all concerned about coordinating their international schedules, etc.. Thanks a lot, paternalistic government, for pretending you can alter time itself! Meanwhile, here in Utah, "high noon" actually occurs at about 1:30pm for most of the year.

Just had to get that off my chest. I'm sorry if anyone else actually read all of it.

Posted by Adam Wilbert (Member # 1184) on 08-03-2005, 10:13 PM:

I noticed that the majority of people who don't like daylight savings time live in the sunbelt areas. Utah, Texas, California... Try living up here, where it gets dark at 4:30 in the winter and stays light well into the nine o'clock hour in the summer. Switching my clocks is way easier than dealing with the mindf*ck the sun puts us through.

Greg, I haven't kept up on all the hub-bub, but why are "kids going to school in the dark for an extra couple of weeks"? Isn't the time extension earlier in the fall and later in the spring?

Posted by Paul Mayer (Member # 355) on 08-03-2005, 10:33 PM:

Other way around. The spring change will occur three weeks earlier and the fall change one week later than it does now. It doesn't take effect until 2007 though.

Personally I think this change is more than a bit silly. But this congress is good at doing silly things.

Posted by Steve Guttag (Member # 268) on 08-03-2005, 10:52 PM:

Sorry...but pick a time and stick with it. Its 24 hours in a day, no matter how you cut it. Daylight hours are shorter in the winter time, longer in the summer time and depending where you live on this planet it will be very much more dramatic, regardless of how you shift the clock.

Personally, I find the whole DST thing just plain stupid. While I would have no problem adopting the present DST as the standard time, I see no point of moving the clock about twice a year.

As for some...Indiana just adopted the DST (yes folks, they have survived without resetting their clocks all this time)...just think, with any new legislation, they will have to change their rules yet again!

Is this really all the congress has to do? I mean, are things just so perfect that time was spent on this and a bazillion other waste of time legislations? If so, they should recess more and legislate less...they need to be in touch with the people the represent more (and I mean the voters...not the damn lobbyists).

Posted by John Hawkinson (Member # 1135) on 08-03-2005, 11:26 PM:

It's unlikely you'll have to update computers -- as long as you take any operating system patches/fixes that are issued by the vendors, they will update themselves. Plenty of time for that between now and 2007.

Steve: this legislation is just a really small part of the Energy Policy Act of 2005 (HR.6/S.10). Like everything, somebody means well...

--jhawk

Posted by Darryl Spicer (Member # 711) on 08-03-2005, 11:54 PM:

quote:
Daylight saving time in the U.S. always ends a few days before Halloween. A bill to extend DST to Halloween is proposed almost every session of Congress, with the purpose of providing trick-or-treaters more light and therefore more safety from traffic accidents. Children’s pedestrian deaths are four times higher on Halloween than on any other night of the year Also, for decades, candy manufacturers have lobbied for a daylight saving time extension to Halloween, as many of the young trick-or-treaters gathering candy are not allowed out after dark, and thus an added hour of light could mean a big holiday treat for the candy industry.

history of daylight savings time

Posted by William Hooper (Member # 71) on 08-04-2005, 12:31 AM:

quote: Steve Guttag
Personally, I find the whole DST thing just plain stupid.

Personally, I find the whole 'Heat Index' thing just plain stupid. Tying the thermometer to humidity & trying to cast it as some ersatz new chatty point for the audience to form an attachment point to a weather report is abominable. Weathermen who repeatedly vomit "It's 93 degrees, but it feels like 100!" need to be shaken violently by orangutans until they stop. Guess what? The higher the humidity, the more uncomfortable some folks are.

If it's 93 degrees, you feel like it does when it's 93 degrees! THAT'S WHAT 93 DEGREES FEELS LIKE!

Soon people won't be able to figure out what the temperature is outside when the thermometer says 93, until the weatherman tells them what it feels like.

Not that I want to drift off-topic here.

Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 08-04-2005, 03:24 AM:

William please stay on topic or I will BAN you AND your mom.

Steve is right. DST is stupid. This new change will surely save the world, though. We have limited amounts of electricity! It is not renewable and is hard to recycle. If we can't dig up new electricity in the middle east, I don't know what we'll do.

Posted by Brian Michael Weidemann (Member # 2243) on 08-04-2005, 03:55 AM:

I'm the only one I know who knows off-the-top-of-my-head when the current changes are without having to wait for the news or the memo posted in the employee breakroom to tell me. The Sunday closest to Halloween and April Fools' Day. Simple!

Now I'm going to join the ranks of the general public and wonder when the heck I'm going to be early or late for work two Mondays a year? Geez.

Posted by Leo Enticknap (Member # 534) on 08-04-2005, 04:09 AM:

The 'DST is stupid' arguments for and against get trotted out every October here, too. Main argument for keeping DST: lighter in the mornings, so less chance of road accidents in rush hours. Against: having that extra hour in the afternoon reduces big industrial energy consumption. Personally I find that last weekend in October very depressing when it suddenly goes pitch dark by about 6pm and knowing that in a month or so's time, it'll be dark when I leave for work and dark again when I get back; but without DST that would just happen for longer in the Spring, so I guess it's horses for courses. As Greg points out, the real problem is that when one country changes its system unilaterally that can cause international time difference issues. Europe is already in chaos for the three weeks or so in late September/early October, because the DST changes at different times in different countries. Typical - about the one thing that the European Union could usefully make a law to standardise, it leaves alone.

Posted by Richard Greco (Member # 2032) on 08-04-2005, 08:59 AM:

Ummm, doesn't it get dark at the same time anyway, regardless if we turn the clocks back. It is going to get dark naturally anyway...Right?

Posted by Leo Enticknap (Member # 534) on 08-04-2005, 09:18 AM:

Right - so the point of DST is try and make the light that we have happen at the time we can make the most use of it.

Posted by Greg Anderson (Member # 235) on 08-04-2005, 11:27 AM:

quote: John Hawkinson
It's unlikely you'll have to update computers -- as long as you take any operating system patches/fixes that are issued by the vendors, they will update themselves. Plenty of time for that between now and 2007.

But this is going to be a big Y2K issue for lots of folks who aren't very good at getting updates and patches. Plus, there are plenty of software vendors (and not just the guys who make operating systems) who choose simply not to support older software at all. So I have some ancient software (from the late 1990s) which calculates world time zone data. When I whine to the vendors about a "patch" they'll tell me to just buy the new version which I otherwise would never need. Just like the switch to digital-only TV broadcasts, this is going to blindside a lot of people. Will the people who are so worried about oil consider lost productivity when they brag about a 1% saving?

Posted by Darryl Spicer (Member # 711) on 08-04-2005, 11:44 AM:

quote: Greg Anderson
But this is going to be a big Y2K issue for lots of folks who aren't very good at getting updates and patches. Plus, there are plenty of software vendors (and not just the guys who make operating systems) who choose simply not to support older software at all. So I have some ancient software (from the late 1990s) which calculates world time zone data. When I whine to the vendors about a "patch" they'll tell me to just buy the new version which I otherwise would never need. Just like the switch to digital-only TV broadcasts, this is going to blindside a lot of people. Will the people who are so worried about oil consider lost productivity when they brag about a 1% saving?

Two simple solutions one won't cost anything except the effort and the other will be a one time cost.

Turn off the feature on the computer or clock that tells it to adjust for daylight savings time and set everything yourself.

Go buy a Digital to analog TV signal converter that will have to be available in order to maintain compatibility.

Posted by Daryl C. W. O'Shea (Member # 1303) on 08-04-2005, 11:56 PM:

quote:
It's unlikely you'll have to update computers -- as long as you take any operating system patches/fixes that are issued by the vendors, they will update themselves. Plenty of time for that between now and 2007.

...

But this is going to be a big Y2K issue for lots of folks who aren't very good at getting updates and patches.

Half the home computers out there don't have the correct time, time zone, day, month or even year set anyway.

The world is going to end, and consequentially we're all going to die at Tue Jan 19 03:14:07 2038 anyway. Y2K was just a warm up. [Wink]

Posted by Greg Anderson (Member # 235) on 08-05-2005, 08:12 AM:

quote: Darryl Spicer
Two simple solutions...

...which will cost me time and money to fix things which weren't broken before politicians decided to break them. Now multiply me by hundreds of millions, most of whom don't know how to work gadgets very well.

Posted by Kyle Caudill (Member # 1252) on 08-05-2005, 08:32 AM:

I might be wrong here, but I do not think I am. Wasn't the whole point of Day Light Savings Time to helper farmers with their crops? That way they will have more time in the summer by natural light to help grow and cultivate. Then when winter comes they roll it back because you have less crops that can grow and you do not need as much natural light. Times change...people change...reasons change...As we become more "modern" maybe certain changes need to be made.

Posted by Alan Dallas (Member # 2537) on 08-05-2005, 08:44 AM:

As luck would have it... Arizona doesn't observe the whole DST thing. Thought I loved living here for a reason. [Big Grin]

Altough we are = to PDT in the Spring/Summer and MST in the Fall/Winter. Which screws me up sometimes when having to figure out hour differences between time zones. Mostly in relation to GMT and CET.

Posted by Mitchell Dvoskin (Member # 751) on 08-05-2005, 08:45 AM:

Eh? Crops get the same amount of sunlight, regardless of what time the farmer has to get up to cultivate them.

Posted by Ron Keillor (Member # 1790) on 08-05-2005, 11:59 AM:

Without a software change, remember to make the manual change on the new effective date, and to correct it when the computer makes the time change on the originally scheduled date.

Posted by Mike Blakesley (Member # 26) on 08-05-2005, 01:16 PM:

quote: Mitchell Dvoskin
Crops get the same amount of sunlight, regardless of what time the farmer has to get up to cultivate them.

No. It gives the FARMER an extra hour of daylight before he goes in to watch the satellite TV.

Posted by Daryl C. W. O'Shea (Member # 1303) on 08-06-2005, 02:23 AM:

When I'm at the farm my PVR gives me an extra 60 hours a day!

Posted by Phil Hill (Member # 371) on 08-06-2005, 02:49 AM:

This has to be the stupidest thread ever... And especially to the one that revived it.

What a bunch of whiners! "Ohhhh... I broke my nail typing in a new date... Whaaaa I'm sooooo overwhelmed I could cry! "

What a jerk!

I cannot imagine why anyone would NOT want a permanent DLST... I would even like an EXTRA hour of DLST in the summer months for a total of 2 hours like in the 70's!

Oh, the poor, poor kiddies, having to walk in the dark...HA! What a lame excuse and a bunch of BS! Also, I do not buy the energy saving bit. One percent? Who cares? It's just really nice to have an extra amount of daylight after work!

Bottom line to all yous bleeding hearts: Go f*uck yourselves!

(What do you think, Joe? Am I off-base or on target?)

(Edited by poster to clarify the 1st sentence by separating it into paragraphs.)

[ 08-06-2005, 01:31 PM: Message edited by: Phil Hill ]

Posted by Greg Anderson (Member # 235) on 08-06-2005, 08:52 AM:

You've missed my point entirely, Phil. All I really wanted to do was vent. Mission accomplished. Now I can move on. I already apologized once for reviving this thread.

Posted by Mark Gulbrandsen (Member # 72) on 08-06-2005, 09:17 AM:

You people are all fools! What you all need is a job like mine in which I travel between Central, Mountain, and Pacific time constantly..... With all this travel I've stopped going by time of day completely and just ignore it all together. I just call the customer and let them know "when I am near". For 99% of them "thats good enough". The other 1% just gets serviced last.

Mark

Posted by Floyd Justin Newton (Member # 1316) on 08-06-2005, 09:51 AM:

GREAT going, Mark. Screw 'em. I get up with the sunrise and
go to bed with the sunset. Phooey with the time! [Wink]

Posted by Phil Hill (Member # 371) on 08-06-2005, 12:58 PM:

Sorry Greg. I guess my sarcastic humor in my reply got lost somewhere in my post. I was doing what I was accusing everyone else of...WHINING. Except I was whining about the whole thread. I guess I should have posted some smilies... [Big Grin]

Mark, quit yur whining! Try flying from Tokyo to L.A. You arrive in L.A. before you leave Tokyo! HA!

quote: Floyd Justin Newton
I get up with the sunrise and go to bed with the sunset.

Gosh Floyd, you sound like some sort of barnyard farm animal... [Razz]

Posted by System Notices (Member # 2357) on 03-06-2009, 02:43 PM:

It has been 1308 days since the last post.