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Posted by Paul Mayer (Member # 355) on 11-27-2003, 03:09 AM:
 
There are times when I'm ashamed to admit I'm a native Angelino...

L.A. Wants to End 'Master' and 'Slave' Equipment
Wed November 26, 2003 08:04 AM ET

By Dan Whitcomb
LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - Los Angeles officials have asked that manufacturers, suppliers and contractors stop using the terms "master" and "slave" on computer equipment, saying such terms are unacceptable and offensive.

The request -- which has some suppliers furious and others busy re-labeling components -- came after an unidentified worker spotted a videotape machine carrying devices labeled "master" and "slave" and filed a discrimination complaint with the county's Office of Affirmative Action Compliance.

In the computer industry, "master" and "slave" are used to refer to primary and secondary hard disk drives. The terms are also used in other industries.

"Based on the cultural diversity and sensitivity of Los Angeles County, this is not an acceptable identification label," Joe Sandoval, division manager of purchasing and contract services, said in a memo sent to County vendors.

"We would request that each manufacturer, supplier and contractor review, identify and remove/change any identification or labeling of equipment components that could be interpreted as discriminatory or offensive in nature," Sandoval said in the memo, which was distributed last week and made available to Reuters.

The memo did not include any suggestions for alternative labels.

Dennis Tafoya, director of the affirmative action office, said in a separate memo that an "exhaustive search" had been undertaken to find all such labels and replace them with more "appropriate" ones. A form was sent to all departments to identify equipment carrying the labels "master" and "slave" or any other offensive terms.

Faced with an avalanche of complaints from vendors and the general public, Sandoval told Reuters in an interview that his memo was intended as "nothing more than a request" and not an ultimatum or policy change.

"I do understand that this term has been an industry standard for years and years and this is nothing more than a plea to vendors to see what they can do," he said. "It appears that some folks have taken this a little too literally."

Sandoval said that he had already rejected a suggestion that the county stop buying all equipment carrying the "master" and "slave" labels and had no intention of enforcing a ban on such terms with suppliers.

"But we are culturally sensitive and we have 90,000 employees," he said. "We have to take these things seriously."

Sandoval added that in addition to the e-mails he's received "telling me how stupid I am and how I should be fired" he has gotten a positive response from some companies willing to reexamine their labels.

In June, the Los Angeles city council unanimously passed a law requiring that any companies doing business with the city disclose profits they may have made from slavery in the 19th Century. In 2000, the council supported federal legislation seeking reparations for descendants of slaves.

© Reuters 2003. All Rights Reserved.
 

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Posted by Daryl C. W. O'Shea (Member # 1303) on 11-27-2003, 03:28 AM:
 
Wow. Maybe they should use Cable Select.
 

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Posted by Carl Martin (Member # 1146) on 11-27-2003, 03:45 AM:
 
while i'm not in favor of taking established things and renaming them either because they are potentially offensive or else in honor of someone who just died, i have to chuckle that those terms were ever adopted in the first place. these days, we all have pc-alarms (i.e. political correctness, not personal computer) in our heads that would go berserk if we even thought of that. but it's better to let sleeping dogs lie than to introduce new confusing terminology. though in the future, if anyone stumbles on the current terminology, at least it's obvious what it means.

carl
 

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Posted by Bob Maar (Member # 763) on 11-27-2003, 07:06 AM:
 
I am personally offended and so is my slave.
 

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Posted by Steve Guttag (Member # 268) on 11-27-2003, 08:58 AM:
 
Do we really need LA? I mean the people that run that town are just beyond stupid...if you are a person so weak that seeing the term Master and Slave offends you...it is YOU who needs theropy to FIX your inferiority complex.

As to reparations...from whom would they collect? Furthermore, the businesses that "profited" from slavery were doing legal business for the day. There is a term for this called "EX POST FACTO" and it has been tried by the Supreme Court and has been found Un Constitutional. You can not apply 2003 rules to 1803. Any black person that is trying to collect reparations is merely looking for a handout and this is yet one more scam. I submit that no living black citizen in America is owned or has ever been owned by a non-black citizen in this country in their lifetime. So who is their beef with? The closest thing we have to slaves now are those that are working at legitamate jobs and yet still fall below the poverty line...you know, theatre managers and employees!

Steve
 

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Posted by Leo Enticknap (Member # 534) on 11-27-2003, 09:30 AM:
 
Link to BBC story.

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Technology firms supplying Los Angeles County with hardware have been asked to avoid using the words "master" and "slave" to describe their products.

The request follows a complaint by one LA County employee who considered the description offensive. The worker filed a discrimination complaint after seeing videotape machines labelled with the words. Hi-tech firms supplying the county are being asked to avoid unacceptable labels and instead use alternatives.

Term assurance

Technology firms were asked to use different terms in an e-mail sent to them on 18 November by Joe Sandoval, division manager of purchasing and contract services for LA County's Internal Services Department. In the message Mr Sandoval wrote: "Based on the cultural diversity and sensitivity of Los Angeles County, this is not an acceptable identification label."

The terms "master" and "slave" are used frequently throughout the hi-tech world to describe a configuration in which one piece of hardware controls another. In an interview Mr Sandoval said the e-mail message was no more than a request and was not intended as an ultimatum.

"I do understand that this term has been an industry standard for years and years and this is nothing more than a plea to vendors to see what they can do," he said. "It appears that some folks have taken this a little too literally."

The tale came under scrutiny by the Snopes Urban Reference website which attempts to find the truth behind many contemporary tall tales. Mr Sandoval said he had already rejected a request to stop buying equipment labelled with the potentially offensive terms. The complaint about the labels on the videotape machines was made in May by a worker in the Probation department and who told the county's Office of Affirmative Action Compliance about their grievance.

Within LA County an exhaustive search has been mounted to find all equipment labelled with the offending descriptions. In many cases the labels have been replaced or taped over with others reading "primary" and "secondary".

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A council in one of the more notorious loony left London boroughs once banned the use of the terms 'male' and 'female' when describing electrical connectors, on the grounds that it is misogynist. How the PC thought police managed to dream that one up I'll never know...
 

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Posted by Adam Martin (Member # 641) on 11-27-2003, 11:45 AM:
 
In the spirit of the great thinkers in Los Angeles County, I have relabeled my hard drives "dominatrix" and "strap-on".
 

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Posted by Robert E. Allen (Member # 1351) on 11-27-2003, 12:14 PM:
 
One of the many reasons I no longer live in Los Angeles county.
 

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Posted by Michael Schaffer (Member # 1204) on 11-27-2003, 12:34 PM:
 
If they feel offended by that, they also have to rename the city. The meaning of the name is The City of Our Lady of the Angels. This could be seen as an offense to those people who are not catholic or who do not believe in Angels.
 

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Posted by Paul Mayer (Member # 355) on 11-27-2003, 01:13 PM:
 
Yes, apparently some places do consider the gender identification of connectors to be offensive. I haven't been able verify this, but a poster on another forum discussing this story mentions that at the PBS facility where he works, such terms are banned. At PBS (the whole network or just that facility I wonder?) the terms "+" and "-" are used to identify connectors. Oh how PC...

Sorry, I am not re-labeling my box of gender-benders, broadly organized as either male-to-male "homo" or female-to-female "lesbo". Guess that means I won't be taking any more work calls in LA County...
 

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Posted by Ron Keillor (Member # 1790) on 11-27-2003, 01:51 PM:
 
My suggestions for follow-up: ban the expression "left behind" as it degrades those who are not right-handed, and the word "shepherd" containing two female terms (she - her) in a word implying control and domination.
 

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Posted by Thomas Procyk (Member # 1170) on 11-27-2003, 02:04 PM:
 
I am offended by black and white TV's as there's often too much of one color on the screen, thus offending me in some way.
And forget Color TVs... NOTHING should be labled as "colored" anymore.

Seriously, though, this "diversity" bullshit is getting out of hand. How can anyone claim to be for Diversity AND Equality at the same time? And when am I going to see some reparations for all those offensive Polock jokes??

I heard some home building companies don't use the term "Master Bedroom" anymore, because that implies that's where the Master sleeps and the Slaves sleep in the smaller rooms.

The components are labled MASTER and SLAVE because that's what they do. One is slaved to another. One does not beat the other. It's not like they're called "Redneck" and "Negro"
And as for the Male and Female things, if you're old enough to be working and getting a paycheck legally, then you're old enough not to giggle at the connectors' gender.

=TMP=
 

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Posted by Michael Schaffer (Member # 1204) on 11-27-2003, 02:18 PM:
 
Thomas is right - people of slavonic descent should receive compensation too. After all, the word slave derives from Latin sclava, meaning slavonic captive, and referring to people who had been reduced to a servile state after being conquered.
 

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Posted by Andrew Lee (Member # 1330) on 11-27-2003, 02:21 PM:
 
No doubt a major lawsuit will be launched in the near future because of the stress incurred by seeing the words "master" and "slave" used in 2003. The State of California can then pay for court expenses and damages thereby increasing it's debt. Must be an interesting place to live......if your a lawyer.
 

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Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 11-27-2003, 02:25 PM:
 
What about that new Russell Crowe movie? Doesn't it have "Master" in it? And what about He-Man and the Masters of the Universe? To whomever thought all of this up: I hope you get eternal explosive diarrhea! An your entire family as well! And then I hope you all drown in it!

Political correctness will kill us all. It has no place in this world!

I like Adam's response the best!
 

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Posted by Manny Knowles (Member # 1171) on 11-27-2003, 03:06 PM:
 
I think there is a danger in outlawing the use of certain words. Are we supposed to just forget that slavery ever existed?

The relationship of master/slave electronics components is such that it makes sense to refer to them with those words.

I have a sinking feeling that this movement will succeed. Slavery is such a "touchy" subject. I don't think any computer manufacturer really wants to fight for the right to keep using master-and-slave terminology.

Political Correctness really sucks (sometimes).
 

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Posted by Steve Kraus (Member # 476) on 11-27-2003, 07:12 PM:
 
If we may consider this thread to be about political correctness gone amuck in general I'd like to point out that the University of Chicago is looking into adding a third category of restroom besides male and female for those who don't wish to be stigmatized with either label. I s___ you not.
 

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Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 11-27-2003, 10:12 PM:
 
Should I move this to the Policitcal Correctness forum?
 

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Posted by Steve Kraus (Member # 476) on 11-27-2003, 10:34 PM:
 
I think it would be very un-PC to have a PC forum unless you also had Mac and Linux forums. Or would that be fora?
 

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Posted by Phil Hill (Member # 371) on 11-27-2003, 10:47 PM:
 
Joe said:

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Political correctness will kill us all. It has no place in this world!

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the University of Chicago is looking into adding a third category of restroom besides male and female for those who don't wish to be stigmatized with either label.

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but that would further stratify society. can you say "separate but equal"? why not just have one category of restroom for everybody? seriously, i can't think of a good reason not to. that's how my dorm was when i was in college.

carl
 

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Posted by Josh Jones (Member # 447) on 11-27-2003, 11:01 PM:
 
I'm sorry, but, Hey, no I'm not! Jesus fucking christ, someone needs to get a grip. This kind of outrageous shit makes me sick!

Stupid should hurt....

JJ
 

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Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 11-27-2003, 11:13 PM:
 
Stupid does hurt, Josh. It hurts everyone else except the stupid person!
 

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Posted by Ken Layton (Member # 133) on 11-27-2003, 11:41 PM:
 
Outlaw "master" and "slave" terminology? Guess I'll have to scratch off the words Master and Slave off the Ballantyne VIP pedestals that were used in all the Tom Moyer theaters here in the Pacific Northwest.
 

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Posted by William Hooper (Member # 71) on 11-28-2003, 12:26 AM:
 

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the University of Chicago is looking into adding a third category of restroom besides male and female for those who don't wish to be stigmatized with either label

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What about that new Russell Crowe movie? Doesn't it have "Master" in it?
I like Adam's response the best!

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I don't know, Joe. Somehow, " Dominatrix and the Strap-Ons doesn't draw quite the same mental image...

Regarding plumbing "couplings"...
I suppose the concept of male and female here will need to be switched to + and - too, eh?

Hi, Mr. Tru-Value Man. I need a positive-threaded 1 3/4" fitting to insert (oops, I can't say that, can I?) into my negative-oriented drain hole (ummm... can I say "hole"?)... orofice? ummm.... apparently recepticle-looking thingie (can't say "thingie")... I'm sooooooo confused!
 

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Posted by Adam Martin (Member # 641) on 11-28-2003, 12:36 PM:
 

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Dominatrix and the Strap-Ons

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the University of Chicago is looking into adding a third category of restroom besides male and female for those who don't wish to be stigmatized with either label

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demands to use the terms "plug" and "recepticle" or something stupid like that

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Well... yah... but by LA standards, wouldn't that also be offensive to some unidentified worker, and therefore unacceptable.
 

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Posted by Phil Hill (Member # 371) on 11-28-2003, 06:41 PM:
 
Hmmmm…it appears that both Scott and Jack need a little enlightenment about techie terms and "sexual orientation"...

There are world-wide conventions that refer to "Male Receptacles" and "Female Plugs".

Just ***another*** confusing "standard" for the electrical, plumbing, and probably other disciplines.

I prefer just calling them male/female connectors as the case may be. However, Adam's suggestion is worth considering...

An example of a "Male Receptacle" or "Male Socket"


>>> Phil
 

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Posted by Steve Kraus (Member # 476) on 11-28-2003, 07:39 PM:
 
Male of course because of the pins but the fact that the cable connector is being inserted into the receptacle means there might be justification for calling it female.

I'm not really sure of the point of the PC objections here. At least with the Master/Slave issue, stupid as it is there is at least a point that it is using an objectionable analogy. But I can't understand why a gender analogy for connectors is objectionable. Can't deny anatomy.

As for the restrooms a third category is ridiculous. But I have always maintained that moving to some sort of single gender system would make a lot of sense since one large facility could be smaller than the space taken by two separate ones. It would have to be designed with maximum privacy and security in mind but I think this can be done. Getting people used to the idea would be the most difficult part. And in some cases the laws may not allow it.
 

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Posted by Steve Guttag (Member # 268) on 11-28-2003, 07:46 PM:
 
For the sake of uniformity...that IEC connector is MALE. The same would hold true for BNC connectors...the one with the pin on the center conductor is male...same holds true for DSubs...MALES are the ones with the pins.

Now Speakon connnectors is where one starts to tread on things!

Steve
 

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Posted by Phil Hill (Member # 371) on 11-28-2003, 07:54 PM:
 
Ummm Steve G, not to rain on your parade, but I think that's what the pic caption sez...

>>> Phil
 

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Posted by Dan Lyons (Member # 1454) on 11-28-2003, 08:59 PM:
 
Thomas wrote:

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Oh for Christ's sake!! This has got to be the absolute dumbest proposition I have ever heard. First off, the bathrooms are labled by gender, not sexual orientation. It shouldn't be OK for a gay man to use a woman's restroom

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I don't know where you pulled that from! That has absolutely nothing to do with the issue.

What if your wife or girlfriend were handicapped and needed help in the restroom. YOU could get arrested, or she could get arrested for using the wrong one! Unisex, or single person restrooms in public places are needed.

Maybe some of you guys wouldn't find it so funny if you knew someone in a wheelchair.

Danny
 

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Posted by Phil Hill (Member # 371) on 11-28-2003, 10:39 PM:
 
Thanks for speaking up Danny,

Thomas said:

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...It shouldn't be OK for a gay man to use a woman's restroom..

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What if your wife or girlfriend were handicapped and needed help in the restroom. YOU could get arrested, or she could get arrested for using the wrong one! Unisex, or single person restrooms in public places are needed.

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Most public buildings here have a disabled loo which is entirely separate from the normal ladies and gents, for precisely that reason. And yes, they have sometimes been used for purposes other than that for which they were designed. Not so long ago a nightclub owner in Wales was taken to court after he installed a hidden CCTV camera in his disabled loo and a high-pressure sprinkler in the ceiling. He would monitor the picture from his office, and whenever he saw any sex or drugs going on, 'fired' the sprinkler and gave the offenders a dousing!
 

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Posted by Michael Schaffer (Member # 1204) on 12-03-2003, 02:05 AM:
 
Doesn't "Colorado" mean colored? Does that mean it is only a state for colored people? Or is it because everybody there has a color in their name (like REDifer)? Isn't that a very offending state name?
 

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Posted by Phil Hill (Member # 371) on 12-03-2003, 04:58 PM:
 
(Can't wait to hear Joe's response that that question....)

>>> Phil
 

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Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 12-03-2003, 07:47 PM:
 
I am too lazy to respond, but I'm sure that it is possible for some individual to interpret it as racist or offensive. It would be best to change the state name, just in case.
 

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Posted by Ian Price (Member # 14) on 12-03-2003, 09:33 PM:
 
US Route 666 is renamed

A road in the US which shares its number with "The number of The Beast" is to be renamed.

US Route 666, which runs through New Mexico, Colorado and Utah, is to be known as Route 491 from the end of the month.

At a ceremony in the reservation town of Shiprock on July 30, the highway will be rededicated.

As part of the renaming event, residents will be offered mutton and bread and Navajo medicine men will chant traditional incantations, says the Los Angeles Times.

"They'll bless the new highway," said SU Mahesh, a spokesman for New Mexico's highway department. "And they'll cleanse the old one."

Highway officials named it Route 666 in 1926 to indicate it was the sixth spur off Route 66, the get-your-kicks highway later immortalised by Nat King Cole.

Colorado to be renamed Nueterville.
 

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Posted by Leo Enticknap (Member # 534) on 12-04-2003, 01:25 AM:
 
In Britain, the road designated as the A666 was originally the road which ran round the cost of the Isle of Barra, one of the Western Isles of Scotland with only a couple of thousand inhabitants or so (it was where Whisky Galore was filmed). The ironic thing is that this place is staunchly Catholic, with something like 90% of the island's population being regular churchgoers! About 20 years ago they renamed it the A888, a feat which had taken several decades of fighting government bureaucracy to accomplish.
 

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Posted by John Lasher (Member # 968) on 12-04-2003, 10:11 PM:
 
I want some damn reparations from the Roman empire, for the way they treated early Christians, from the Catholic church, for the way they treated early protestants, and because I'm distantly related to Joan of Arc (you cannot imagine how painful that was for my distant ancestors), from the government of Egypt, because some other ancestors of mine were once slaves there.

Okay, seriously.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe there's a part of the Constitution about how if your Father commits a crime, you can't be punished simply because you are his son, something to that effect.

(Anyone who actually believes that African-Americans deserve reparations probably can't spell reparations)
 

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Posted by Thomas Procyk (Member # 1170) on 12-06-2003, 12:18 PM:
 
Oh God. All these "Numerophobes" afraid of a few 6's. If Satan really cared about that number, don't you think he would do more to see it remains prevelant? Or at least make it dark and windy (like Gandalf) when it comes up.

Just like 13. Get a grip people!

=TMP=
 

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Posted by William T. Parr (Member # 677) on 12-06-2003, 01:40 PM:
 
Ditto Thomas,

I remeber about 10 years ago a Midwest christian Cult group persuaded Union Pacific to renumber one of it's GP40's that was carrying #666 to something else do to the Satanic refrences of the number in the bible. Up until the number change the locomotive never had been invovled in an accident. Shortly after the number changed it was involved in a fatality accident in South Texas. It was involved in a total of 4 accidnets from the time it was renumbered in 1993 or 1994, until it was destoryed in yet another accident on the UP in 1996 or 7 again involving fatalities. Now figure this particular piece of equipment was built in 1966 and survived all the way until 1993 before it had any kind of blimish in it's history other than it wore #666 for a period of time, then after loosing that number due to presure by a religous group, it turned into the killing occultic machine that everyone feared when it was number 666. Go Figure. And Just to note 666 was not the units original number ethier. It started life as a Milwaukee Road unit, but the number escapes me at the moment. But it wore 666 for some 8 years before anyone noticed it. Now back to the Topic of Master and Slave. In a computer since, this is a politically correct term. As the drive in IDE chain 0 (1) has control over the P/C in theory (i.e. has the operating system on it. What does this guy wanna change the naming to Dominant and Submissive? Give Me A Fucking Break. As an American we all have a constitional right to be offended. That's just life.

[ 12-06-2003, 05:40 PM: Message edited by: William T. Parr ]
 

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Posted by Phil Hill (Member # 371) on 12-06-2003, 04:47 PM:
 
I don't like the number 473,682. It gives me the creeps!

However, 1469 is cool....

>>> Phil
 

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Posted by Robert E. Allen (Member # 1351) on 12-06-2003, 06:24 PM:
 
"You need wisdom to understand the number of the beast! But if you are smart enough, you can figure it out. Its number is six hundred sixty-six and it stands for a person". Revelation 13:18 CEV.

It's not the number but what the number stands for that concerns some Christians. While I believe some take it to far I also believe we have better things to do than belittle someone's belief. It not only makes us look very unprofessional but childish. This is too classy a site to let this thread degenerate into that sort of thing. Whadaya say we get back on topic?
 

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Posted by Phil Hill (Member # 371) on 12-06-2003, 09:36 PM:
 
Nah, I vote to let it wander....

>>> Phil
 

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Posted by Jason Black (Member # 684) on 12-06-2003, 10:51 PM:
 
Hey Coot,

Since when did what you thought actually count for anything?????


 

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Posted by Michael Schaffer (Member # 1204) on 12-07-2003, 01:54 AM:
 
It is basically simply a choice you can make in which age you want to live. If you want to be superstituous, mentally exist in the middle ages and project your fears on numbers, OK. If you want to be a civilized enlightened person, you can find better ways to spend your time and actually address some real problems.
 

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Posted by Gunnar Johansson (Member # 1661) on 12-07-2003, 04:21 PM:
 
I like 1337 for obvious reasons... All computer nerds know why, an to go on topic it might actually be a good thing sometimes to get foreign terms for such things.
In Sweden, at least to people I talk to (I admit, not all of Sweden) is called "Master" and "Slave" i.e. the English words, so we don't have to imagine any dominatrix unless we want to... It's just a name for what's the difference between what they do, kind of like server and client, or some other relevant example...

Gee, it's good to be posting again, maybe should do it more often. It's amazing how fast you go from active to lurker, but it must be possible to make a comeback, and I'm going to be living proof...
 

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Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 12-07-2003, 06:37 PM:
 
ONE THOUSAND THREE HUNDRED AND THIRTY SEVEN is a lame number for wannabe cool people. Usually fans of this number have rarely, if ever, talked with females or been outside.

[ 12-08-2003, 12:58 AM: Message edited by: Joe Redifer ]
 

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Posted by Daryl C. W. O'Shea (Member # 1303) on 12-08-2003, 12:03 AM:
 
TIME-WAIT Assassination Hazards in TCP? Who worships that? Loser.
 

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Posted by Gracia L. Babbidge (Member # 582) on 12-08-2003, 02:02 AM:
 
Having read through (or skimmed over) the variety of posts in this thread - two phrases pop into my mind.

"Sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will never hurt me."
<<Some people really need to get a grip!>>

"Sticks and stones may break my bones, but whips and chains excite me!"
<<Half expecting a 'hubba hubba' from Phil!>>
 

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Posted by Gunnar Johansson (Member # 1661) on 12-08-2003, 02:21 AM:
 
Joe:
Yeah, so what's your point?

I can't believe I have to get angry about this !!
 

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Posted by David Favel (Member # 1125) on 12-08-2003, 02:46 AM:
 
You are all missing the point. According to the book of Arnie 14:02 the actual number is 999.

Don't you people watch movies. Oh wait, no-one saw that movie
 

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Posted by Phil Hill (Member # 371) on 12-08-2003, 03:33 AM:
 
Gracia, as per your request:

Hubba Hubba!

>>> Phil
 

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Posted by Gracia L. Babbidge (Member # 582) on 12-08-2003, 09:00 AM:
 
Well Phil - some of us know how you are about whips and chains!
 

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Posted by Adam Martin (Member # 641) on 12-08-2003, 11:19 AM:
 
Don't even go there.
 

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Posted by Paul Mayer (Member # 355) on 12-08-2003, 12:05 PM:
 
A highway warning sign on the way to our local ski area:

"Chains required. Whips optional."

Hmmm, that sign went missing after Phil's last visit here...
 

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Posted by Phil Hill (Member # 371) on 12-08-2003, 06:22 PM:
 
Why are you asking me? Talk to Daryl....

>>> Phil
 

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Posted by Daryl C. W. O'Shea (Member # 1303) on 12-08-2003, 06:31 PM:
 
He's not asking ya, he's tellin' ya, punk!
 

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Posted by Phil Hill (Member # 371) on 12-08-2003, 06:41 PM:
 
Yes Master.....

>>> Phil
 

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Posted by Gunnar Johansson (Member # 1661) on 12-09-2003, 03:20 PM:
 
Daryl: I know I'm going to regret asking this, but did you look it up, or did you know what RFC1337 was about? I'm guessing the latter but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.

Seeing how this topic has gone way off, at least twice, what's the best number fro a RFC? Maybe to geeky... I´d say RFC3092...

Is this just going to be manufactors changing their manuals? I'm guessing what is essentially a very rational way of naming things will live on, if only as word of mouth. Nobody I've ever worked with has had any objection, though not relevant, but what is to the point is that nobody misunderstands. If asking for a female-female cable, I get what I ask for, and a master hard drive will be just that.

I wonder what they'll come up with that's better. "Make sure you have one hard drive as no 1 and the other as no 2 in the same IDE, or they will never work together..!"

Posting to keep the anxiety of my back. Should be studying, but my apartment has never been this clean, and I find interesting things on TV almost all the time. Can't keep it back much longer. Have to understand Maxwell... before Wednesday...
 

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Posted by John Pytlak (Member # 331) on 12-09-2003, 03:35 PM:
 

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Have to understand Maxwell... before Wednesday...

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Much of electromagnetic theory and color photography dates back to Maxwell's brilliant work:

http://www.andinia.com/a22002.shtml

http://www.visitdunkeld.com/james-maxwell.htm

http://micro.magnet.fsu.edu/optics/timeline/people/maxwell.html

http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761558820/James_Clerk_Maxwell.html

During my studies to be an Electronic Engineer, I had to understand Maxwell too. Learning Maxwell's Equations seemed dry and tedious then, but I have come to appreciate the significant effect he had on modern technology:

http://www.ee.scu.edu/eefac/healy/max.html
 

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Posted by Gunnar Johansson (Member # 1661) on 12-09-2003, 03:59 PM:
 
John: As always, thanks for the links and the extra reading material. It's helpful to sometimes pry your nose from the books and look at it from a little distance. Not to bad to know something of the man, so it's not just a name in a book, and I didn't know his discovery of RGB... You learn something new everyday, and I've learned a lot more tha that today.

It's not so much understanding as learning how to apply the special cases, and doing all the math right. I'll get there, with a few sleepless nights. I can alway slurk here for fun. And I could've started earlier and so on and so on... You don't get to be an engineering physicist if you don't pass, but how hard can it be.
 

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Posted by Daryl C. W. O'Shea (Member # 1303) on 12-12-2003, 12:16 PM:
 
I had to double check the RFC, Gunnar. I couldn't remember if they had used TCP or TCP/IP.
 

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