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Posted by Rachel Gilardi (Member # 1016) on 01-18-2004, 10:35 AM:

Because the topic has been swaying in Brad: Where is Rockwell - I'm starting a new thread to continue the conversation.

Where are the worst places to drive in the US?

Posted by Tim Reed (Member # 137) on 01-18-2004, 10:49 AM:

Chicago, hands down. Even L.A. isn't as bad. And NYC seems like a breeze, by comparison.

Posted by Bruce McGee (Member # 131) on 01-18-2004, 10:59 AM:

Atlanta during rush hour. Everyday!

In a related vein:

Asheville NC is getting ready to rebuild the I-26 connector through the city. This is going to be a nightmare.

Posted by Jason Black (Member # 684) on 01-18-2004, 11:48 AM:

Bruce,

Agreed. Rush hour traffic in Atlanta sucks much [Moon]

. Normal traffic is hectic enough but when you're in standstill traffic on a 6 lane Interstate... there *is* a problem.

DC traffic is pretty nightmarish also, especially around the 'Drive at Five' time! Baltimore can be bad at times. I have always tried to plan my trips so that I will avoid both aformentioned cities during peak 'drive times'.

Richmond Va was bad until they built the 295 loop. Even now, one can be caught up in standstill traffic south of the 295 loop when going north.

Florida traffic is increasingly bad also. All the Q-tips on the road in their Buick Roadmasters with 5% Limo tint creeping along in the right lane at 40mph creates major ROAD RAGE. If you really have a need to go that damn slow.. ride a freeking donkey.

Posted by Jack Ondracek (Member # 1466) on 01-18-2004, 12:15 PM:

Seattle's no joyride anymore

Posted by Adam Martin (Member # 641) on 01-18-2004, 12:15 PM:

I drove in Atlanta once and I don't particularly care to try it again. [Big Grin]

Ohio is pretty interesting as well, at least along the I-75 corridor because you get all the idiots from Michigan and Ontario doing 150 mph to get back and forth from their winter homes in Florida.

Posted by Gracia L. Babbidge (Member # 582) on 01-18-2004, 12:28 PM:

I openly admit that I'm a wimp about hectic city driving! [Razz]

In Beantown, I go on foot, on the T, or let someone else drive!

Long before I had my license, I was in a car with my mom & my grandmother, going through Hartford, CT. [Eek!]

It was practically bumper to bumper traffic, travelling at 70mph. Very scary. I was glad that my grandmother was not behind the wheel!

One place, and set of conditions that make for awful driving:
Lewiston, Maine - in freezing rain, when the ground is already all iced up!
It's an old mill town, and many of the roads are on steep hills. It takes a lot of nerve to safely traverse that town in nasty winter driving conditions.

Posted by Brad Miller (Member # 2) on 01-18-2004, 01:03 PM:

So Rachel, how is Menitowoc?

Posted by Bobby Henderson (Member # 840) on 01-18-2004, 01:34 PM:

quote:
New York City seems like a breeze by comparison.

NYC is a breeze because you have lots of alternatives to driving. You have the MTA subway system, Metro North, the Long Island Railroad, New Jersey Transit and connections to other commuter rail systems going into Connecticut, Pennsylvania, etc. There's lots of bus systems too. When you factor in the price of bridge tolls, parking garages in Manhattan and just how cumbersome it is to drive in the antiquated NYC road network, it just makes more sense to take mass transit. There's lots of people in the NYC area who have lived out there lives without ever having to have owned a car.

I'm surprised no one has mentioned Houston yet for bad places to drive. I have driven in most of the populous areas of the nation and haven't seen traffic anywhere near as bad as it gets in Houston. It really is horrible there.

To the credit of TxDOT, they have been making strides in recent years to add capacity to the roadways (elevated HOV lanes on I-45, a gigantic upgrade to the I-10 Katy Frwy in progress, etc.) but it still just doesn't seem to be enough.

The Dallas-Fort Worth metro has lots more people than metro Houston (and the traffic jams can get really bad at times) but cars move through that area with more efficiency because the area has had a much better freeway network for decades. Cities like Houston and Austin have been playing a very expensive game of catch-up lately.

Other cities worth mentioning:
Phoenix - horrible traffic problems and still not enough being done to upgrade road systems.

New Orleans - great place to see wreckless drivers do a fast four-lane wide lane change to make some hard to reach exit. Be very careful when driving anywhere near the Superdome.

Posted by Tim Reed (Member # 137) on 01-18-2004, 01:45 PM:

quote:
NYC is a breeze because you have lots of alternatives to driving.

I drive through every day in a big truck. The size of the roads and their numbers, per the number of cars on them, is still comparable or greater than L.A. or Chicago (those cities have mass transit, too). It's the largest metro area in the country.

Posted by Bobby Henderson (Member # 840) on 01-18-2004, 02:10 PM:

L.A. and Chicago do have mass transit. But the "L" in Chicago doesn't reach all that far into the suburbs. And L.A.'s light rail system is a very recent development with not much coverage for the area. New York has had subways and commuter rail systems for over a century now.

On top of that, the New York area is probably the first place in the nation to feature HOV lanes on superhighways. The New Jersey Turnpike, the Garden State Parkway, I-78 in New Jersey all have seprate local and express/HOV lane systems. If memory serves correctly, I think I-80 does as well. That at least provides some balance to the much older and smaller roads seen elsewhere in the New York area. Other cities like L.A. have added HOV lanes to freeways only in the last decade or two.

Another big difference is commuter culture. People in New York don't find it beneath themselves to "park and ride." Most people in Chicago and L.A. still insist on driving and quite honestly look down their noses at others who take mass transit.

Posted by Paul G. Thompson (Member # 655) on 01-18-2004, 02:17 PM:

Interstate 5 between Everett and Tacoma. It is one huge parking lot.

Posted by Sean McKinnon (Member # 612) on 01-18-2004, 03:50 PM:

um.... hmmm.... BOSTON? Its a little better now that they opened the new tunnells but the old central artery really really really sucked.

Posted by Mark Gulbrandsen (Member # 72) on 01-18-2004, 03:59 PM:

Tim,
Chicago is kids stuff and not nearly as bad as even Detroit is I've been in every state in the country with the exception of the two detached sattes and without a doubt Utah is by far the worst, anyplace in Utah for that matter. People visiting from L.A., Boston, Chicago and New York are in for a big wake up. If we doubled the number of Highway Troopers out here it would barely put a dent in things.

In the above cities I've concluded that....

In Chicago they either drive really fast but with great precision, or they drive painstakingly slow...there is nothing in between....

In Boston they try to fake you out but they really are not out to cut you off.......

In New York City they just blow their horns alot.... BTW: The cabbies actually control all traffic flow in NYC!

In L.A. they just like to drive their Mazarottys really fast even though traffic is going really slow all of the time..... Occasionally those folk that can't go fast get pissed off when they can't go fast, they then get out of their car and beat other cars windshields with their golf clubs......

In Utah EVERYONE is out to be first in the lead and get where they are going before everyone else gets there ...even if there is no one else going there.....

Brad,
In Manitowoc everyone is flat out drunk ya know hey! That see, should pretty much explain the entire state of WI, for that matter....BURP....another pitcher of [beer]

please bartender.

MArk @ CLACO

Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 01-18-2004, 04:51 PM:

The worst place to drive in the US is anywhere I happen to be, simply because I am there. The biggest losers, morons, and retarded people all get in their vehicles and get around me and drive as sssllllooooooowwwwwwllllyyyy as they possibly can and get in huge accidents just to piss me off and for no other reason whatsoever.

People need to learn that I have priority on the road, and they should not be out driving when I am, period.

Posted by Rachel Gilardi (Member # 1016) on 01-18-2004, 05:11 PM:

quote:
So Rachel, how is Menitowoc?

Hmmmm, drunks and grama'a and grampa's driving in the snow = much annoyance.

quote:
In Manitowoc everyone is flat out drunk ya know hey! That see, should pretty much explain the entire state of WI, for that matter....BURP....another pitcher of please bartender.

Yes Mark! Right on target ya know? Eh, heard driving in Milwaukee is pretty gosh darn easy though, ya know hey!?!

Boston would have to be my vote for the worst. You can't drive down the street without pedestrians walking out in front of you, eventually you just have to go and hope you don't hit anyone. If you asked Don this question - the guy will drive anywhere...ANYWHERE, except Massachusetts...wonder why?

Chicago's pretty darn nasty too.

Posted by Robb Johnston (Member # 239) on 01-18-2004, 05:11 PM:

Joe, no comment on your local traffic lovliness the T-Rex project through Denver?

What does T-Rex stand for as the name for the I-25 project anyway?

Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 01-18-2004, 05:45 PM:

T-Rex rocks! I think T-Rex stands for:

Totally Ridiculous EXpansion

or something. It is a 6 or 8 year (is there a difference?) project designed to add one lane to each side of the highway for a stretch of about 8 miles at the most.

Posted by Floyd Justin Newton (Member # 1316) on 01-18-2004, 06:10 PM:

Can I add my 2 cents worth here? No matter where you go in this
country you run into the SAME problem. Just about every person
has to have a least one vehicle. Let's face it..there's just too
many damn people being pumped into the world with no place to keep them all. And these folks just "have to have a car". And
what was said above is very true about Phoenix. Just ONE HUGE
PARKING LOT from midnight to midnight! Of course we only have
about one hundred car dealers here. We're BIG TIME, now.
(rant off)

fjn

Posted by Paul G. Thompson (Member # 655) on 01-18-2004, 06:33 PM:

Rach, check out the area on Marshall Street. On 21'st and Marshall, you will find two taverns and St. Mary's Church. That's only two blocks from where I lived as a teen-ager. It still has not changed.

One block East, you'll find a couple of gasoline stations. [Big Grin]

Ah, YES!!! "Manitowoc has it all..."
That should answer it. [Smile]

Posted by Roger Katz (Member # 1625) on 01-18-2004, 08:17 PM:

The worst place to drive is New York state because the highways are in HORRIBLE condition. I've seen potholes that approach the size of the Grand Canyon right in the middle of interstates. The connector ramp from I-84 to I-684 should have an AC Delco franchise at the end of it because you need new shocks every time you drive on it!

Posted by Kyle Caudill (Member # 1252) on 01-18-2004, 09:18 PM:

Between LA and Vegas on a Friday night or Sunday night....A 3 hour trip can turn into 8 or 9 hours. One huge rolling parking lot.

You can avoid this and cut through the desert, but if you break down have fun...

Posted by Steve Guttag (Member # 268) on 01-18-2004, 10:01 PM:

The DC metro area can be a big pain in the Ass. For truckers it is especially screwed...there are very few roads that allow trucks either around or in DC. As such, those that do (like US-50) are packed with them. I-95 doesn't go through DC so you have to use I-495 to go around it...on the east side...the hoity toities didn't want that big ol nasty road so it isn't exactly a circle through Montgomery County and hence it has the lion's share of the wrecks on the "beltway."

DC road crews are the slowest and typify the stereotype of one guy working with five or more standing around...if they start a project it will take forever and they only work during the normal work day to maximize congestion....in the suburbs, roadwork is mostly done at night when traffic is at its least amount.

One thing about DC is you either can deal with circles or your can't...if you can't please don't drive here. They are everywhere and those that can't drive them really endanger everyone else.

Steve

Posted by Christopher Duvall (Member # 284) on 01-18-2004, 10:53 PM:

I lived in the Rockville area of DC and it totally sucked ass. However, Vegas sucks more and it is not due to the number of drivers on the road. It is due to the number of f'ing mouth breathers with California tags that have to slow down to about 15-20 slower than the speed limit. I was raised in the DC METRO area and I am used to f'ed up traffic, but Vegas seems to attract idiots with cars here. It is as if the Stratasphere is the world's largest moron magnet and it attracts every loser with an IQ lower than a llama in to the area. I swear I can give some of them 2 more IQ points and they could bark.

I am not going to give examples because Brad would probably come down on me for eating up bandwidth and hard drive space. Everybody just image every idiot move that you have seen on the road and combine with everyone elses sightings then mutliply it by some ridiculously large number and you will get a portion of what some jackass has done on our roads here. AS I stated above, they usually have Cali tags. They must be the rejects that they have thrown out becuase I have never seen that in the LA area.

I am now going to stop before my head explodes...

Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 01-18-2004, 11:00 PM:

I've been on that LA/Vegas route and it is indeed one giant standstill. More lanes are needed, at least triple the amount. I couldn't understand it. And when I can't understand something, I begin to get angry.

I notice that many people driving in Colorado with California plates seem to be dumbasses as well. What's up with that?

Note to Californians: STOP MOVING TO COLORADO! YOU ARE NOT WANTED NOR NEEDED HERE! YOU ARE ONLY DRIVING UP THE COST OF LIVING! Thank you.

Posted by Phil Hill (Member # 371) on 01-18-2004, 11:11 PM:

Fuck all of yous and your stupid comments!

If you are dumb enuff to drive that route from LA to Vegas, you belong in the dimwit gene pool. May God kill you with a lightning strike! What a loser you are!

All the "smart" people FLY! I mean, it's almost as cheap as gasoline for that distance... and it only takes an hour! Taxi cabs are real cheap if you MUST travel a long distance between places. But, get off your FAT ASS and walk! JEEZUS F. CHRIST!

Ummm... have a nice day all [Big Grin]

See ya at ShoWest! I'm flyin'! [thumbsup]

BTW: Joe, NO ONE want's to move to COLOR AD O [puke]

All the smart calli's move to Washington State or Oregon. YUK!

Screw that! I'm taking my motorhertz and moving to West Fargo! I want to freeze my ass off! [Razz]

>>> Phil

Posted by Sean Weitzel (Member # 244) on 01-19-2004, 12:03 AM:

Worst place to drive? the roads leading up to Phil's house... at night...in a Ford F250 pickup truck...when you've never been in that neighborhood before. [Big Grin]

Posted by Phil Hill (Member # 371) on 01-19-2004, 12:54 AM:

OH PULEEZE Sean! Just cuz there are a "few" steep and narrow mountain roads on the way to my house, doesn't mean you have to yank my chain about them! You found my house without any prob! [Razz]

Besides, you had the really great lady for a navigator! Whew! what a nice looking and nice person she is! [beer]

>>> Phil

Posted by Paul G. Thompson (Member # 655) on 01-19-2004, 01:08 AM:

Kinda like Seattle. If you don't know where you are going, you ain't gonna get there.

Even sometimes when you know where you want to go, you still ain't gonna get there....

Posted by Stephanie M. Brosche (Member # 1982) on 01-19-2004, 01:54 AM:

Nashville, Tn. They've been "widening" I-65 for like 9 years now. They're are permanent "temporary" baricades along side the entire thing. Half of the exit's are detoured forever, the lanes are about half of normal size, with an above-average rate of semi-trucks hogging up space. I addition to this, everybody has too much money and for some reason they refuse to spend it on repairing TURN SIGNALS. Unless everyone in Nashville has those new high tech invisible turn signals that only the mentally retarded can sense. That must be it. Still nothing to the DC Metro area, but it's still one of the more frustrating experiences I've ever had....aside from driving through small towns full of old blind people that didn't even take a drivers test. Years ago, you could buy a license for a dollar and be done with it. Ah, the golden years... [thumbsdown]

Posted by Phil Hill (Member # 371) on 01-19-2004, 02:09 AM:

Hi Stephanie and welcome to Film-Tech!

Please see Brad Miller's (The Grand-Poo-BAH) rant in some other thread about using short paragraphs for conveying thoughts and for "easy" reading by us less than smart peoples... [Razz]

>>> Phil

Posted by David Favel (Member # 1125) on 01-19-2004, 03:33 AM:

Actually, the best place in the world to get around is Melbourne, Australia.
Excellent trains/trams, motorways as far as the eye can see.
The only bad thing is "hook right turns."
When you turn right over a tram line you park in front of the cars on your left till the lights change to green, then go. The most un-nerving thing ever.

Posted by Bruce McGee (Member # 131) on 01-19-2004, 07:26 AM:

Hi Stephanie, and welcome.

I lived in Nashville in the 1970's. I kinda hoped that things there might have improved. Guess not.

While driving around Nashville, I have seen people in the far-left lane on the I-40/65 loop around Nashville suddenly, without a hint of a signal/ suddenly veer to the right across all lanes and go down an exit ramp. It happens all the time on the surface streets, too, so I figure that it is a part of getting a license in Davidson County.

I use signals for any lane changes. This weekend, I replaced the turn signal flasher on my most-used car. I wore it out.

Have a happy day. I have to go and drive the highways. "Floridiots" GO HOME!!

(No insults for any Florida drivers that drive at the speed that the others are driving. I mean the ones that are driving the minimum speed and looking at the fall leaves! Guess what? The leaves are gone, now, so go home.) [Mad]

Posted by Scott Norwood (Member # 30) on 01-19-2004, 07:34 AM:

I'm surprised that no one has complained about New Jersey yet. The drivers there are rude and dangerous, at least in my experience.

I have no problem with driving in Boston (except for the excessively high auto insurance rates here), but New Jersey and New York drivers scare me.

Posted by Randy Stankey (Member # 64) on 01-19-2004, 11:41 AM:

The thing that gets me upset is when you're going down the highway and traffic comes to a standstill for about 2-3 miles. When you finally get moving again you look for what it was that caused the slowdown and there's nothing there! You'd expect there to at LEAST be a stalled car on the side of the road or some kind of accident but there's NOTHING. No construction zones. No cop car parked on the side. Nothing! This happened to me a lot driving South on I-81 between Bristol, TN and Knoxville, TN. I've never figured it out.

As to the lack of use of turn signals in the South... It's not entirely true that they don't use them. They do signal turns. It's just not with blinking lights on the bumpers. You might call it the "redneck turn signal" but it's not just for rednecks.

If a car is in the left lane and wants to change to the right lane. You'll see the driver's right arm go up onto the back of the seat and his head will momentarily swivel around to look behind. The second you notice that, get out of the way because the guy's going to move!

Imagine the thought of an old, rusty Ford pickup truck with a confederate flag on the bumper and a dog in the back. The driver, "Billy Bob", is wearing a "wife beater" T-Shirt and has the stub of a cigarette in his mouth. He's going about 85 MPH down the highway and wants to make the exit ramp coming up on the right. The arm goes up. The head turns. You might notice a puff of smoke come out of the mouth then, with a little squeal of the tires, he darts across two lanes of traffic and dives for the ramp.

That's the "classic" redneck turn signal but there are more subtle versions. You may think it's a joke. I did too... until I experienced it first hand! It's REAL. It's just one of those things that's so engrained in society that it becomes second nature to those who live there. If you don't believe me, try it for yourself and see if it doesn't work.

Posted by Michael Schaffer (Member # 1204) on 01-19-2004, 01:48 PM:

Do people drive on the left side in Australia and NZ?

Funny, when I came here, I found the freeway and road system (?) confusing and often got completely lost. I thought that was just because I was new in the area. Then I found out that the local people also often get lost. The best strategy to find places is
- do not use mapquest
- do not under any circumstances ask people for directions
- use the Thomas guide
- have a compass with you (I am not kidding)
- adopt a kind of Zen attitude; do not try too hard, then you will get there

Posted by Jason Burroughs (Member # 68) on 01-19-2004, 02:00 PM:

I generally find that the drive in the Dallas metro area to be not TOO bad. Like any major population center congestion is just about always a concern however. Now the biggest pain, highway wise is LBJ Freeway (I-635) Its not uncommon to have traffic backups at 2, 3, and 4 AM.
Within the past 10 years, the highway and road system has gotten much better, primarily by FINALLY completing the Central Expressway (75) project, which took over 10 years to complete, from 4 lanes to 8+ As Bobby mention the High 5 project is the last part of that project.

Posted by Bill Carter (Member # 156) on 01-19-2004, 02:39 PM:

I've got to join in with the folks that mention Nashville. Not only are they in a "perpetual construction" mode, it's one of those towns where you can see the building you're going to, and not be able to figure out how to get over to it.

Lots of the cities mentioned have street systems unable to handle their current traffic loads, but my memories of driving through Nashville are that there's no apparent rhyme or reason to the layout. Even DC streets have a logic to them. You may not agree with it, but it is possible to figure it out.

Nashville's lack of logical layout is much like St. Paul, Minnesota, although St. Paul doesn't have the same traffic problems. Our former Governor Jesse "The Body" Ventura once told Jay Leno on the Tonight Show that St. Paul's streets had been planed by "drunken Irishmen". [beer]

Posted by David Favel (Member # 1125) on 01-19-2004, 06:01 PM:

Yes, we drive on the left.

Posted by Bobby Henderson (Member # 840) on 01-19-2004, 08:19 PM:

My main complaint about New Jersey: the dumbasses running the road system there have a big missing link for I-95. If you drive north up through Philadelphia you'll find that I-95 dead ends in Trenton. Trenton!! Yaarrgh! Some people get lost because of that, and a lot of them wind up having to lurch along US-1 up to Edison where they can pick up I-287 and the NJ turnpike, or just save some time and backtrack around cut over to the turnpike at an earlier point (but pay a higher toll).

Really it is just a scam to move people driving north from places like DC over on the New Jersey Turnpike. It is the quickest way to take. But the political bullshit thing still has I-95 numbered through Philly when the designation should really be on the NJ TPK. Either the renumbering should happen or the original alignment of I-95 should be finished.

Oh, for those that might like to see photos of that Dallas High Five interchange, check out http://www.texasfreeway.com. There is a link to a lot of high rez photos on the opening page.

Posted by Bruce McGee (Member # 131) on 01-19-2004, 08:41 PM:

Randy:
You almost described me and my old rusty truck! One small problem: I use the signals in it, too.

Nashville was in perpetual building phase in the 1970's. too.
Then, it was I-24, and the 440 loop around the city that cut through some fine real estate.

I've driven I 95 thru New York in a big Econoline 350 van. The Cross-Bronx Expwy is fun. On the way back, I didn't have to drive, so I got to be a tourist and gawk at the big buildings.

The NJ Turnpike is old, but the day I was there it was moving along. This was from the US highway 9 in New Jersey toward NYC.

There are few toll roads here in the SOUTH. I was amused at the big toll collection areas. What a $$$ pit!

Posted by Rachel Gilardi (Member # 1016) on 01-20-2004, 12:02 AM:

quote:
Rach, check out the area on Marshall Street. On 21'st and Marshall, you will find two taverns and St. Mary's Church. That's only two blocks from where I lived as a teen-ager. It
still has not changed.

Paul, I need to learn my streets. [Confused]

They're all numbered and I'm not used to it!!! Plus there are so many taverns and churches around here that I have no clue as to where you're talking about. Now I'll have to make an effort to find out. [beer]

Posted by Gracia L. Babbidge (Member # 582) on 01-20-2004, 09:39 AM:

Last April, I took a road trip with my mom & my little brother & sister - I got to play navigator the whole trip. My mom has a mammoth book of road atlases - she works for a trucking firm, so they get the good ones.
The trip was from home in Maine, to the Philly Zoo. On a Monday, we drove down to somewhere in NJ that was a hop, skip & jump from Philadelphia, stayed overnight, went to the zoo Tuesday, drove as far as somewhere in Connecticut that night, then went to Dinosaur State park Wednesday before driving home. Yeah, it was fun trying to figure out the best route northward back through New Jersey... [Roll Eyes]

We ended up taking the Garden State Parkway (no big trucks allowed), and that was pretty smooth sailing - yet damn! Jersey drivers fly! We were going faster than the posted limit, and still getting passed as though we were at a crawl!

Posted by Evans A Criswell (Member # 381) on 01-20-2004, 03:09 PM:

Some of you have mentioned Nashville. I've always thought Nashville had a pretty decent road system. Nearly every place I go is right off a freeway. Construction is the main thing that messes it up.

For the past year or so, the main problems are the areas of freeway where there is a concrete barrier RIGHT ON THE EDGE OF THE OUTERMOST LANES. This is extremely dangerous because it makes drivers in those lanes uncomfortable since there is no leeway for error at all. Drivers tend to get as far as they can from those barriers, making it tight for people in the middle lane. I don't understand why they couldn't move those things a couple of feet away from the lanes. The other hazard with those is if a breakdown occurs, there's no place to pull over. Many of the exits do not have the merge space they once had in the construction areas.

It seems to be taking far too long to get those construction areas done. They're getting about as bad as Alabama.

If I could make a change for Nashville, it would be to convert the section of Briley Parkway from I-40 to I-24 into a freeway, and make the parts within several miles of Opry Mills have 3 lanes (which may already be in progress).

I guess I'm lucky here in Huntsville where a traffic jam is where people have to slow down to 40 MPH on a freeway.

Posted by Paul Cassidy (Member # 951) on 01-20-2004, 03:24 PM:

The only thing I found confusing on my recent trip from LA to Utah on the I-15 is that when entering other cities it was hard to know if I was still on the correct Freeway as all signs showing that it was the I-15 disappeared ???? in the end when coming into other cities I would get into the "Car Pool Lane" and ride it out hoping I was still going the correct way , also coming back into LA at night I had the same trouble making sure I was on the correct Freeway for the same reason , signage is not the best for tourist .... but then maybe they think all tourist are going to fly [Big Grin]

Posted by Michael Schaffer (Member # 1204) on 01-21-2004, 01:27 AM:

I-15 does not go through Los Angeles, that`s probably why you had a little problem there.

Posted by Paul Cassidy (Member # 951) on 01-21-2004, 03:01 AM:

I never had a problem travelling while in LA or Nevada , Arizona or Utah , travelling on a 12hr flight to LA from NZ landing 7am LA time (3am NZ time) getting a Budget Rental Car and Driving on the Right hand side of the road and left hand side of a Car for the first time in my life ,then driving to the 105 , 605 , 10 then the I-15 all the way to Ogden UT on my forst day in the US was quite an eye opener , but I would have to say it was very enjoyable and free of any great mishaps , I would have to say that you have some very sensible road rules in the US and some very fine and safe roads to travel on , so to all you truckies over there .... I take my hat off to you all [beer]

Posted by Matthew Bailey (Member # 601) on 01-21-2004, 12:39 PM:

Sometimes it was totally screwed during the winter in Oklahoma.
Goddamm people driving in front of you would throw snow on your windshield by spinning their rear tires.