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Posted by Manny Knowles (Member # 1171) on 02-29-2004, 07:33 PM:

Fire up your laptop or move your TV closer to your computer coz this year we're all gonna record our moment-by-moment reactions to this year's Oscars ceremony!

Posted by Daryl C. W. O'Shea (Member # 1303) on 02-29-2004, 07:38 PM:

You lie! Only some of us will.

Posted by Manny Knowles (Member # 1171) on 02-29-2004, 08:05 PM:

Billy Crystal's opening number was, as expected, highly produced. One of the first gags involved him setting up a video camera to pirate a film from the big screen. The intro montage was structured as a sendup of a typical movie preview and, as usual, included clips from nominated films with Billy inserted into the various scenes. The funniest of these was when he appeared nude, shocking both Jack Nicholson and Diane Keaton.

The musical number by Crystal was generally wonderful, but uneven in terms of effectiveness. The tributes to "Mystic River" and "Lost In Translation" were the high-points.

Tim Robbins acceptance speech (for his role in "Mystic River") was an overlong laundry list of people to thank, ending with a few heartfelt words of encouragement and support to victims of violence.

Robin Williams & Billy Crystal were great together. "Look! We're a San Francisco wedding cake!" and "This is the reason for our 5-second delay" (as Williams pulls his jacket aside, exposing a breast).

Robin Williams was SCANDALOUS alone, severely lampooning Michael Eisner and declaring Pixar as being "formerly of Disney."

Posted by David Stambaugh (Member # 1102) on 02-29-2004, 08:13 PM:

I wonder if Jack Valenti has a sense of humor about the video pirating joke. [Smile]

Posted by Brad Miller (Member # 2) on 02-29-2004, 08:14 PM:

That last commercial was stupid.

Posted by Manny Knowles (Member # 1171) on 02-29-2004, 08:21 PM:

"Lord of the Rings: Return of the King" has won 2 Oscars so far tonight. The first was for set design and the second was for wardrobe. It's 2 for 2 for "Rings" and the last chance for the Academy to honor the massive trilogy directed by Peter Jackson.

Cute little 'bit' by host Billy Crystal. Favorite films of headliners:

Martha Stewart's favorite film: "Runaway Jury"
Hillary Clinton: "Kill Bill"
Saddam Hussein just likes "Holes."

Speaking of commercials. The American Express commercial featuring Martin Scorcese was cute. In the ad, he critiques birthday pictures, ultimately deciding that a reshoot is necessary.

I did not see "Cold Mountain" so I have to ask: Did Renee Zelwegger *really* win tonight for "Cold Mountain" or is this a so-called 'makeup' award?

In any event -- a terrific acceptance speech, honoring (among others) Tom Cruise for showing her that kindness and success were not mutually exclusive. Loved the line (thanking someone else) who "clapped loudest" and another who "dared to dream bigger and better than I could ever dare."

(I love dear Renee but why does she always look swollen and shiny?)

The tribute to Bob Hope (presented by Tom Hanks) was touching. My heart was so full I had to loosen my bra.

Hilarious gag with Owen Wilson (dressed in tuxedo) and Ben Stiller (appearing in his 'Starsky' costume) to present the awards for Best Live Action Short and Best Animated Short.

Posted by Brad Miller (Member # 2) on 02-29-2004, 08:46 PM:

Someone planning the Oscars need to do some elementary math. If they are only going to show us 5-20 second clips from the winning movies, then why must we sit through an entire performance of the nominated songs?

It's all about percentages.

Posted by Manny Knowles (Member # 1171) on 02-29-2004, 08:53 PM:

Alison Kraus and Sting performed the nominated song "You Will Be My Ain True Love" from "Cold Mountain." It will be a shock if this haunting (somewhat sleepy) tune takes the award, but anything is possible.

Best Song nominee "Scarlet Tide" (also from "Cold Mountain") was performed by Alison Kraus. It's really a lovely song (much better than the previous one) but "Into The West" (performed by Annie Lennox) is similar-sounding and superior and I'd love to see it take the Oscar tonight.

The songs were introduced by an apparently medicated and goofy-looking Liv Tyler. What's up with the glasses and hair? She looks like Morticia from "The Addams Family."

Posted by Brad Miller (Member # 2) on 02-29-2004, 09:04 PM:

oops...double post. please delete

Posted by Robb Johnston (Member # 239) on 02-29-2004, 09:05 PM:

No way, Morticia never had anything but dead straight hair.

I dug the what your are thinking bit.

And so far LOTR is undefeated.

Did anyone else notice that the clip of the costumes were all from Fellowship tho?

Blake Edwards, best entrance Since Jack Palance the year after he won for City Slickers.

Posted by Adam Martin (Member # 641) on 02-29-2004, 09:12 PM:

Are you people actually watching that stupid show?

Posted by Robb Johnston (Member # 239) on 02-29-2004, 09:13 PM:

Adam, Are you actually reading about us watching this show?

Posted by Adam Martin (Member # 641) on 02-29-2004, 09:17 PM:

This should have been done in the chat room with the log turned on and then we could have just posted a big long chat transcript, including the part where Will comes in and insists that he saw it in 70mm.

Posted by Manny Knowles (Member # 1171) on 02-29-2004, 09:17 PM:

Billy Crystal's mind-reading gag was...filler.

Visual Effects award went to the team responsible for "LOTR 3" presented by Will Smith and wife Jada.

Academy Sci-Tech Awards (presented on Valentine's Day) went to DigiDesign (ProTools) and others -- I think these awards were covered in greater detail in an earlier thread.

Jim Carrey appeared (bald and multi-ethnic) to intro the Blake Edwards tribute. The montage was followed by an outrageous stunt in which a 'wheelchair bound' Edwards hurtles past Carrey and right through a wall on the opposite side of the stage. The 90-second speech was personal and well-formed but was marred by awkward pauses.

I wasn't going to watch but since my mom has it on -- and I'm incredibly bored -- I thought this might be fun. (I was wrong.)

Bill Murray's intro to the "Lost In Translation" clip proves that he still possesses his impeccable sense of comic timing.

Achievement in Makeup -- a relatively new award, intro'd in the 80s -- went to "Lord of the Rings: Return of the King." Moments later, Sandra Bullock and John Travolta presented the Oscar for Sound Mixing to "Rings," which was undefeated until "Master and Commander" took the award for Sound Effects Editing.

Billy Crystal: "It's now official. There's nobody in New Zealand left to thank."

Julia Roberts (breathtaking with glowing blonde hair) presented a well-edited montage tribute to Katharine Hepburn, who passed away during the last year.

Posted by Brad Miller (Member # 2) on 02-29-2004, 09:37 PM:

Ummmm Manny, LOTR3 was not nominated for the sound effects editing award. Instead it went to the undeserving Master and Commander.

Posted by Robb Johnston (Member # 239) on 02-29-2004, 09:39 PM:

Manny, LOTR is still undefeated, it wasn't nominated fot the editing award, but it was and won for the sound award. I just double checked.

Posted by Manny Knowles (Member # 1171) on 02-29-2004, 09:43 PM:

Okay. Sorry.

Go "Rings" !!!

Best Documentary (Short Form) -- "Chernobyl Heart."

Best Documentary (Feature) -- "The Fog of War." I'd like to thank the Academy for finally recognizing my films! This country went down a rabbit hole in Vietnam and we're going down another rabbit hole right now.

That speech was followed by...

Billy Crystal: I can't wait till HIS tax audit!

Academy President, Frank Pierson, presented a tribute to the recently departed. There were some very AWKWARD moments early on as Pierson experienced verbal difficulties. Recently deceased included an experimental filmmaker, a trailer innovator and Leni Riefenstahl, Russian documentarian among familiar stars, directors and writers.

Best Original Score -- Howard Shore for "Lord of the Rings: Return of the King."

Moments later, Julianne Moore and Pierce Brosnan presented the Oscar for Achievement in Film Editing to the unstoppable epic "Lord of the Rings." The editor's speech was unintelligible due to his thick accent.

Do you know that people are moving to New Zealand, just to be thanked?

Jamie Lee Curtis intro'd the nominated song "Kiss at the End of the Rainbow" from her husband's film, "A Mighty Wind" performed by Eugene Levy and Catherine O' Hara.

The shuffling, cabaret-style number from "Triplets of Belleville" is, strangely, the most modern of this year's nominated songs. I don't see it winning.

Posted by Robb Johnston (Member # 239) on 02-29-2004, 10:11 PM:

here's a courtesy post so you can stop editing.

Man I thought the Tiger Woods as Carl Spackler commercial was brilliant.

What was he advertising again

Posted by Floyd Justin Newton (Member # 1316) on 02-29-2004, 10:13 PM:

Manny---
You had to loosen your WHAT?!
fjn [Wink]

Posted by Robb Johnston (Member # 239) on 02-29-2004, 10:20 PM:

Jack Black singing on the oscars. Despite the genre of music, my socks have been rocked off

Posted by Manny Knowles (Member # 1171) on 02-29-2004, 10:21 PM:

Will Ferrell and Jack Black revealed the HILARIOUS and hitherto unknown lyrics to "You're Boring," which is the tune the orchestra plays when acceptance speeches run too long. Indeed, a mini-highlight of the whole show.

Ferrell and Black presented the Best Song award to "Into The West" from "Lord of the Rings: Return of the King."

A glowing Charlize Theron presented the statue for Best Foreign Language Film to "The Barbarian Invasions" from Canada. We're so thankful that "Lord of the Rings" did not qualify in this category!

"Rings" was also not nominated for Cinematography. The award went to "Master and Commander," presented by Jude Law and Uma Thurman (looking like an escapee from "The King & I").

COULD SOMEBODY EXPLAIN ALL THE "LOST DOG" COMMERCIALS FOR MASTERCARD?

Francis Ford Coppola appeared with daughter Sofia -- "I always wanted you to be a part of the family business" -- to present awards to screenwriters of "Lord of the Rings: Return of the King" (Adaptated Screenplay).

The crowd went wild as Hollywood couple, Tim Robbins and Susan Sarandon, called Sofia Coppola back onto the stage to collect her Oscar for Best Original Screenplay ("Lost In Translation"). The Coppola's are the 2nd two-generation family of Academy Award winners. John and Angelica Huston were the first.

Posted by Darryl Spicer (Member # 711) on 02-29-2004, 10:36 PM:

LOTR Addapted screen play winner go RINGS!!

Posted by Robb Johnston (Member # 239) on 02-29-2004, 10:42 PM:

Lord is 9 for 9 with 2 nominations to go. Will they sweep?

How about the foreign language winners thanking LOTR for not being nominated in that category

Now 10 for 10, and now I know what I would look like in a tux

Posted by Manny Knowles (Member # 1171) on 02-29-2004, 10:46 PM:

Tom Cruise presented the Oscar for Directing to Peter Jackson for "Lord of the Rings: Return of the King." Jackson thanked, among others, his parents for encouraging him in his pursuit of filmmaking and died recently, never seeing the "Lord of the Rings" movies.

Make that 10 for 10 with just one more to go!

Best Actress -- An emotional and grateful Charlize Theron for her role in "Monster."

Posted by Robb Johnston (Member # 239) on 02-29-2004, 10:56 PM:

Adrian Brody's bit with the mouth spray was classic

Posted by Nicholas Suchyta (Member # 2050) on 02-29-2004, 11:02 PM:

Nicole must know all about the 5 stages of dating in Hollywood; or you'd at least think she would.

Posted by Manny Knowles (Member # 1171) on 02-29-2004, 11:06 PM:

Guys, guys, guys!

Please explain these comments...they won't make any sense to the folks reading along at work (or the next day).

Sean Penn takes the Best Oscar statuette for his work in Clint Eastwood's "Mystic River."

A great-looking Steven Spielberg presented the Best Picture Oscar to "Lord of the Rings: Return of the King." "It's a clean sweep!" declared Spielberg prior to officially announcing the title.

Posted by Robb Johnston (Member # 239) on 02-29-2004, 11:08 PM:

Break out the brooms, 11 for 11, it is a sweep ladies and gentlemen

Posted by Darryl Spicer (Member # 711) on 02-29-2004, 11:08 PM:

yes Lord of the rings Return of the king....BEST PICTURE WINNER!!!!! WAY TO GO!!! SWEEPING THE OSCARS!!!

Posted by Nicholas Suchyta (Member # 2050) on 02-29-2004, 11:09 PM:

Lord of the Rings: Return of the King

Takes 11 of 11

Ties with Titanic and Ben-Hur

Posted by Robb Johnston (Member # 239) on 02-29-2004, 11:10 PM:

Did Fran Walsh set a record for 3 oscars in one night? as Producer, writer (adapted) and lyricist for best song.

Posted by Manny Knowles (Member # 1171) on 02-29-2004, 11:11 PM:

I like how you guys tried to "scoop" me on the Best Picture announcement after being so quiet all night!

Y'all must've had those posts pre-written or something.

Nice try. [Wink]

Posted by Dino Panagiotopoulos (Member # 1579) on 02-29-2004, 11:11 PM:

Tobey Mcquire looked like a robot

Posted by Robb Johnston (Member # 239) on 02-29-2004, 11:11 PM:

Manny, I have not been quiet tonight, infact I think this thread has about 10 percent of all my posts on the site

And Tobey Macguire is in fact a robot

Posted by Mark Gulbrandsen (Member # 72) on 02-29-2004, 11:13 PM:

The only really good part was Inspector Clousseau on the parallel bars during the Blake Edwards award [thumbsup]

.
Otherwise is was all extremely boreing.
Mark

Posted by Manny Knowles (Member # 1171) on 02-29-2004, 11:13 PM:

Oh, Robb...

...It's okay.

Technically you guys *did* scoop me.

Congrats...and thanks...for keeping me company! [thumbsup]

Posted by Dwayne Caldwell (Member # 417) on 02-29-2004, 11:43 PM:

quote:
Did Fran Walsh set a record for 3 oscars in one night? as Producer, writer (adapted) and lyricist for best song.

She tied with James Cameron who won for Editing, Directing, and Producer in '98 for Titanic.

YAY' RINGS!!! HAIL TO THE KING, BABY!!!

[ 03-01-2004, 01:14 AM: Message edited by: Dwayne Caldwell ]

Posted by Adam Martin (Member # 641) on 02-29-2004, 11:59 PM:

Who determined that Sean Penn won the Best Oscar? What makes his better than the others?

Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 02-29-2004, 11:59 PM:

Dwayne? You're still alive? WTF?

edit: I'm bored.

[ 03-01-2004, 12:30 AM: Message edited by: Joe Redifer ]

Posted by Dwayne Caldwell (Member # 417) on 03-01-2004, 01:20 AM:

Yes, Lord of the Rings got a clean sweep and I've posted for the first time in months. Clearly this is a night for celebration. [Big Grin]

Of course this may be the last time a post since Joe will probably make another attempt on my life again. Just do me a favor and make it painless this time around, Joe.

Posted by Bobby Henderson (Member # 840) on 03-01-2004, 07:01 AM:

Maybe the color settings on my TV set need to be adjusted, but did anyone else notice just how wierdly yellow Charlize Theron looked? Definitely has to be that shower-on tanner stuff. One of my friends used to do the shower-on tanner at this tanning place in town. She stopped when I said it kind of made her look like she had liver disease.

LOTR, 11 for 11. Pretty amazing. The fantasy film Oscars jinx has finally been broken. But it is not too surprising LOTR won. Hollywood will award Oscars to films that bring in a ton of money. I agree with Roger Ebert this is a "surrogate win" for all three LOTR films.

Posted by John Pytlak (Member # 331) on 03-01-2004, 10:56 AM:

Some makeup and tanning pigments can react strangely when photographed, because of unexpected "spikes" in their spectral reflectance. Likewise, some fabrics (e.g., earth-toned polyester suits that have unexpected IR reflectance) and flowers (e.g., purple morning-glory) are a challenge to photograph with the correct color because of their discontinuous spectra.

Posted by Manny Knowles (Member # 1171) on 03-01-2004, 12:57 PM:

I believe I did mention (page 2) that Charlize appeared to be "glowing."

Posted by Christian Appelt (Member # 1067) on 03-01-2004, 01:11 PM:

Over here we got the show live, but of course without your commercials. Did they produce special commercials for the Oscar show?

Billy Crystal is a great MC, what a difference to the poor and misantrophic Steve Martin performance. To me, Blake Edwards' speech was the highlight of the evening, but felt that they had a poor choice of film clips (although the barrows scene is one of my favourites - but where was Herbert Lom?).

From a certain moment it was clear that the Academy would dump everything they had on LOTR. Giving MASTER AND COMMANDER an award for cinematography was extremely unjust to SEABISCUIT's great photography, but otherwise it might have gone to LOTR too (where no cinematography exists except through impressive compositing).

Better not to say a word about the songs, Brad said it all.
But who would complain when Jamie Lee Curtis and Angelina Jolie appear in a show...

[Big Grin]

Posted by Mike Blakesley (Member # 26) on 03-01-2004, 01:44 PM:

It was the most boring Oscar show in years. The Hepburn tribute, the Blake Edwards tribute, the Will Farrell/Jack Black bit, and Adrien Brody were the best moments. The opening montage was OK, but Billy Crystal seemed to be on autopilot a lot of the time.

My favorite part of the entire show however was when Michael Moore got stomped into the ground during the opening sequence. That cracked me up.

Posted by Mark Lensenmayer (Member # 134) on 03-01-2004, 03:45 PM:

Just a few reactions:

Not much energy, that's for sure. Nothing really caught fire. "Kiss at the End of the Rainbow" was sweet, but I really enjoyed the energy of TRIPLETS OF BELLEVILLE. Marc Shaiman with the vacuum cleaner was a bit strange, though.

Most of the outfits were nice...enjoyed Charlize, Julia Roberts and Catherine Z. (But then, I ALWAYS enjoy Catherine Z.)

Will Ferrell and Jack Black just about stole the show with the boring song.

Sure were lots of Cadillac ads!

Why did they play "Hail to the Cheif" when Tom Hanks came out? Some of the musical choices were a little weird.

And, I agree that stomping on Michael Moore was the best thing in the show.

Posted by Phil Hill (Member # 371) on 03-01-2004, 05:06 PM:

A few of my observations:

"...then why must we sit through an entire performance of the nominated songs?"

I agree... B O R I N G !

"No way, Morticia never had anything but dead straight hair. "

It looked like someone bitch-slapped her.

"I'd like to thank the Academy for finally recognizing my films!"

What a jerk! [fu]

"The only really good part was Inspector Clousseau on the parallel bars during the Blake Edwards award"

Absolutely a great film and a great choice for a clip.

"YAY' RINGS!!! HAIL TO THE KING, BABY!!!"

Holy Smokes! Dwayne is alive! Your comment pretty much sez it for me too. [beer]

"Billy Crystal is a great MC, what a difference to the poor and misantrophic Steve Martin performance."

I agree! It was great to see him back.

"...stomping on Michael Moore was the best thing in the show."

Pretty much EVERYONE liked that much overdue just desserts! [beer]

While Will Ferrell and Jack Black's tune was "cute" it certainly didn't knock my socks off.

I really liked the Blake Edwards entrance. Really hilarious! [thumbsup]

Most amazing thing: All the security! Cops, cops, and more cops. They even had sharp-shooters with rifles and scopes on the adjacent building's roofs.

>>> Phil

Posted by Michael Schaffer (Member # 1204) on 03-01-2004, 05:38 PM:

What happened during the opening sequence? I set up our digital projectors (we showed the Awards live in HD in 4 locations) and then drove around to check if everything is OK, so I didn`t see the first half.

Posted by Per Hauberg (Member # 529) on 03-01-2004, 08:07 PM:

"Worth the time, allthough a little bit boring."

I had to choose between local danish transmission or a german one, -both live (minus those 5 sec's). As Denmark has a long tradition for ruining the Oscar Galla with studio hosts, unable to shut up for a sec, resulting in noone understand neither the original spoken language or the "translation", i preferred the greman "Pro-7", whicht turned up to be a very nice partner for the nite: Not one word, while the grown-ups vere speaking.
Just a very nice studiohost, using some af Your commercial time on comments. This also left room enough to present the "Seabisquit" teaser in every single break. -You saw the teater: Now watch the movie "

Plusses: Hepburn, Edwards - and Adrian Brody: I have only seen this really fine actor in Polanski's The Pianist, where he really deserved that 2003-award - but in no way excactly showing stuff for an upcoming comedian.
I was so very happy, they gave the honourary Oscar to Blake Edwards. Mr Edwards may not be the hell of a speaker, but so much better for writing scenes to make us all drop down in laughter. His entrance was his trademark - and thanks for that. May his films live among us forever ! (-For Mr Laurel and Mr Hardy" -remember..?)

Crystal on autopilot ?? No way. Opening montage as well as musical presentation of the "big ones" were just great !

As someone allready mentioned: Sandra Bullock entered stage just after the "make-up award" has been handed over: What exploded in her face before getting on ???

After so many plusses, one could easy let the few minusse go, but with Crystals big numbers being almost the only entertainment, the result was a bit boring - and that is dangerous, when end of programme was about 06,40 local danish time... -and then, overall: I had a good time with plenty to watch - and the greatest surroundings, You could ask for. That Kodak place is just a beauty !

Per

Posted by Mark J. Marshall (Member # 1409) on 03-02-2004, 08:20 AM:

So the show was boring, eh?

Good. I was busy watching Kiss Me Kate and It Came From Outer Space in dual strip Polaroid 3D anyway. [Razz]

Now THAT was an awesome show!

Brush... Up... Your Shakespeare...

I got back just in time to hear Spielberg say "It's a clean sweep!" I listened to the acceptance speech on that, then I went to bed. Life is good. [Big Grin]

Posted by Bob Maar (Member # 763) on 03-02-2004, 09:59 AM:

I was with Mark, although I didn't know it,watching the same shows in the same theatre,The Lafayette in Suffern,New York.

The Three Days of 3-D was a great experience.

Posted by Mark J. Marshall (Member # 1409) on 03-02-2004, 11:15 AM:

Wow, Bob, I'm really sorry I missed you there!

Posted by Claude S. Ayakawa (Member # 1401) on 03-02-2004, 04:14 PM:

While many consider the Super Bowl the prime event on television every year, I have always looked forward to the Academy Awards and enjoyed the show every year. Yes, they do go on and on but I have come to expect that from Oscar shows and this year was no different. Billy Crystall was a great MC as usual and I thought the show this year was excellent and although I was never able to follow the plot of "THE LORD OF THE RING" trilogy, I was rooting for it to win all of it's major awards but the film went on to win in every category it was nominated. Right now it is tied with "BEN-HUR" and "TITANIC" with eleven but the two other films were nominated for additional awards. BEN-HUR received twelve nominations and if it was not for the problem with Karl Tunberg's original screenplay, the film would be unbeaten with 12 Oscars. Karl Tunberg did get sole credit for the screen play and was nominated but most of the credit for the excellent film writing belonged to Gore Vidal, Maxwell Anderson and Christopher Fry. Had they been credited instead of Tunberg, "BEN-HUR" would have won all of it's awards like "TLOTR/ROTK" did the other evening.

As far as predicting the awards, I correctly picked 20 out of twenty four. I missed on cinematography (I picked "GIRL WITH PEARL EARRING"). Although I did not see "MASTER AND COMMANDER", "TGWPE", a film about Dutch painter Johannes Vermeer had gorgeous photography! I picked "PIRATES OF THE CARRIBBEAN" over "MASTER AND COMMANDER" for best sound editing because I thought the the "PIRATES" soundtrack was awesome. The other two were for animated Short Film and live action short film and not having seen any of the nominated movies, it was purely guess work and I was wrong.

-Claude

Posted by Michael Schaffer (Member # 1204) on 03-02-2004, 10:45 PM:

So what happened with Moore during the opening sequence?

Posted by Phil Hill (Member # 371) on 03-02-2004, 11:47 PM:

His pompous ass was (figuratively during a montage) stomped! And rightly so and long over due! [thumbsup]

>>> Phil

Posted by John Pytlak (Member # 331) on 03-03-2004, 03:23 PM:

Claude wrote:

quote:
As far as predicting the awards, I correctly picked 20 out of twenty four.

Each year, my group at Kodak has a contest to pick all the awards. I thought I did great at 16 out of 24, but my group leader got top prize with 20 out of 24 like you, and four additional people in my group of 24 people did better than I did. Unfortunately, there were only five prizes. [Frown]

Posted by Claude S. Ayakawa (Member # 1401) on 03-03-2004, 03:36 PM:

Is there a possibility we can have a contest next year here at FT?

What do you think, Brad? [Smile]

-Claude

Posted by Robb Johnston (Member # 239) on 03-03-2004, 06:40 PM:

Phil, the socks being rocked off was a "Tenacious D" Reference, which I used because of Jack Black, also known as JB of 'the D'

sorry for being obscure

Posted by Phil Hill (Member # 371) on 03-03-2004, 06:49 PM:

Robb, you weren't obscure...my comment was is the same vein. [Big Grin]

I'm just not into their music or "scene"... [Wink]

>>> Phil