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David Ben-Gurion
Ho Chi Minh
Winston Churchill
Mohandas Gandhi
Mikhail Gorbachev
Adolf Hitler
Martin Luther King
Ayatullah Ruhollah Khomeini
V.I. Lenin
Nelson Mandela
Pope John Paul II
Ronald Reagan
Eleanor Roosevelt
Franklin Delano Roosevelt
Teddy Roosevelt
Margaret Thatcher
Unknown Rebel
Margaret Sanger
Lech Walesa
Mao Zedong

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Louis Armstrong
Lucille Ball
The Beatles
Marlon Brando
Coco Chanel
Charlie Chaplin
Le Corbusier
Bob Dylan
T.S. Eliot
Aretha Franklin
Martha Graham
Jim Henson
James Joyce
Pablo Picasso
Rodgers &Hammerstein
Bart Simpson
Frank Sinatra
Steven Spielberg
Igor Stravinsky
Oprah Winfrey

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Stephen Bechtel
Leo Burnett
Willis Carrier
Walt Disney
Henry Ford
Bill Gates
Amadeo Giannini
Ray Kroc
Estee Lauder
William Levitt
Lucky Luciano
Louis B. Mayer
Charles Merrill
Akio Morita
Walter Reuther
Pete Rozelle
David Sarnoff
Juan Trippe
Sam Walton
Thomas Watson, Jr.

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Leo Baekeland
Tim Berners-Lee
Rachel Carson
Francis Crick & James Watson
Albert Einstein
Philo Farnsworth
Enrico Fermi
Alexander Fleming
Sigmund Freud
Robert Goddard
Kurt Gödel
Edwin Hubble
John Maynard Keynes
Louis, Mary & Richard Leakey
Jean Piaget
Jonas Salk
William Shockley
Alan Turing
Ludwig Wittgenstein
Wilbur & Orville Wright

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Muhammad Ali
The American G.I.
Diana, Princess of Wales
Anne Frank
Billy Graham
Che Guevara
E. Hillary & T. Norgay
Helen Keller
The Kennedys
Bruce Lee
Charles Lindbergh
Harvey MIlk
Marilyn Monroe
Mother Teresa
Emmeline Pankhurst
Rosa Parks
Pelé
Andrei Sakharov
Jackie Robinson
Bill Wilson

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And what a splendid fellow he was too, in addition to being such a benefactor to mankind (unless you want to hold all the Yankees who have moved to the South against him). A perfectly Horatio Alger kind of guy was Willis Carrier, struggling against odds, persisting, overcoming. Slapped down by the Great Depression, he fought back again to build an enormous concern that to this good day is the world's leading maker of air conditioning, heating and ventilation systems.

And think of the difference he's made. As anyone who has ever suffered through a brutal summer can tell you, if it weren't for Carrier's having made human beings more comfortable, the rates of drunkenness, divorce, brutality and murder would be Lord knows how much higher. Productivity rates would plunge 40% over the world; the deep-sea fishing industry would be deep-sixed; Michelangelo's frescoes in the Sistine Chapel would deteriorate; rare books and manuscripts would fall apart; deep mining for gold, silver and other metals would be impossible; the world's largest telescope wouldn't work; many of our children wouldn't be able to learn; and in Silicon Valley, the computer industry would crash.

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Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 03-08-2004, 02:22 PM:
 
I fail to see why I am not mentioned on any of the lists.[av=a]

But seriously... Bob Dylan? I've only heard one of his songs ever, and I don't recall it being impressive. What did he do to change the world and move it forward?
 

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Posted by Daryl C. W. O'Shea (Member # 1303) on 03-08-2004, 02:28 PM:
 
He provided Royal Canadian Air Farce with many seasons worth of 'material'.

http://airfarce.com/info/biodon.html
 

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Posted by Michael Schaffer (Member # 1204) on 03-08-2004, 03:08 PM:
 
That list from Time magazine is really stupid. It doesn`t even list Stalin, but has Oprah Winfrey next to Igor Stravinsky...
 

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Posted by Leo Enticknap (Member # 534) on 03-08-2004, 03:11 PM:
 
Princess Di?

So the way you get to be a 'hero and icon' is to shag your way round London's obscenely rich social misfits, portraying yourself as a 'victim' all the while...
 

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Posted by Jennifer Pan (Member # 2035) on 03-08-2004, 03:14 PM:
 
Joe you are so on the list... I'll add Phil too while I'm at it...

But seriously Joe, I knew you would say something about why Bob Dylan was on the list.

Bob Dylan.
Folk-singer and songwriter, born in Duluth, MN. Taking his professional name from the poet Dylan Thomas, he rose to fame in the 1960s, following the folk tradition of Woody Guthrie but introducing a fresh social and political awareness. His lyrics made his songs the dominant influence in the popular music and culture of the period.

It doesn't really prove much... I just knew someone would catch that and say something...
 

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Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 03-08-2004, 03:19 PM:
 
He was also on the Time Magazine list as well. Maybe I was asking about that!

Anyway I'm glad you know me so well. What else do you know about me? [av=z]
 

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Posted by Jennifer Pan (Member # 2035) on 03-08-2004, 03:28 PM:
 
Wow... that face you made is soooo sexy.
I don't really know that much about you. I guess I should since I put you on the list.
 

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Posted by Brad Miller (Member # 2) on 03-08-2004, 03:29 PM:
 
Uh oh. I've seen that look before on Joe. RUN JENNIFER!!!
 

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Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 03-08-2004, 04:10 PM:
 
Again Brad.... Ewww![av=o] I better have been looking at Dwayne's mom or something when you saw me like that!
 

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Posted by Paul Mayer (Member # 355) on 03-08-2004, 04:15 PM:
 

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"My ass itches."

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TMI!
 

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Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 03-08-2004, 04:32 PM:
 
Are you saying your ass never itches, Paul? Also, I demand to know what TMI is. Jennifer, you can learn all about me at my incredibly useless website and see how I move the entire human race forward (or perhaps backwards?)[av=a]
 

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Posted by Rachel Gilardi (Member # 1016) on 03-08-2004, 04:56 PM:
 
Everyone ever born should be on the list because everyone changed the world in one way or another... except Joe of course.
 

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Posted by Steve Kraus (Member # 476) on 03-08-2004, 05:36 PM:
 
TIME lost all credibility with me for their Person of the Year cover. It's supposed to be the person who had the greatest influence on world events yet they stubbornly refuse include "bad" people, having not had one since, I think, the Ayatollah Khomeini in 1980. Clearly in 2001 Osama bin Laden had a greater impact on world events than did Rudy Guiliani. It's not even arguable.

And I would have had Hitler for Person of the Century, not Einstein. Einstein's importance may still be growing but insofar as a single person (many worked on the A-bomb and nuclear power) Hitler shaped 20th century events more. Not just the war and the Holocaust but the division of Europe and the cold war can be blamed on him as well.

If they mean these things to be honoraries then they should say so and stop pretending.

As for the list at hand, I nominate Jennifer Pan because I am a total suck-up.
 

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Posted by Steve Guttag (Member # 268) on 03-08-2004, 05:52 PM:
 
Bob Dylan certainly belongs on the list...just a little research into the culture of the '60s which influenced all that came after. Joe, you have probably heard more Dylan songs/poems than you realize...many artists covered his songs much better than he did himself...his singing voice isn't so good.

In a muscial sense...Little Richard should have been on such a list as should James Brown. They not only were popular but changed the way music sounded and influenced those that came after.

For the Sports thing (or heros)...to not have Babe Ruth is a mistake.

For all time, if Gauss isn't on the list, the list is very flawed.

Steve
 

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Posted by Mike Olpin (Member # 1115) on 03-09-2004, 12:33 AM:
 
Steve Jobs - Concived and realized the first mass produced computer designed for home-use. Also the person from whom Jenifer borrowed the oppening post of this thread (The Crazy Ones)

Steve Wozniac - Designed and built the afformentioned computer.

Ed Catmul -- The first to Pioneer 3D computer graphics with his short film "The Hand"

Alvey Ray Smith -- together with Ed, concieved of using a computer to create full length feature films.

John Lasseter -- Created some of the worlds first computer animated NARATIVES. (not just pretty graphics, but using the graphics to create characters and tell a story.) Also directed the first full-length feature animated film, Toy Story, for half of what it cost to create a traditional feature. Pushed the artform forward, even when PIXAR was financially unstable. The Walt Disney of today's generation.

Joe Redifer - 'Cause his website convinced me.

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"The Crazy Ones"
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Watch the TV spot

[ 03-09-2004, 03:37 AM: Message edited by: Mike Olpin ]
 

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Posted by William T. Parr (Member # 677) on 03-09-2004, 01:10 AM:
 
TMI = Too Much Information
 

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Posted by Paul Mayer (Member # 355) on 03-09-2004, 03:15 PM:
 
That's right Joe, mine don't itch none. Unless my 'roids are acting up...

Just to stay on some semblance of topic, I'll add:

Guglielmo Marconi
Nikola Tesla
Sir George Cayley
Leonardo da Vinci

to the list.

How fitting that this was post #757 for me--matches that of my favorite jet...

[ 03-18-2004, 04:00 PM: Message edited by: Paul Mayer ]
 

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Posted by Leo Enticknap (Member # 534) on 03-09-2004, 05:03 PM:
 
If we're having a section for aviators, then I'd add Count Zeppelin (first flight powered by internal combustion engine, over three years before Wright Bros.), Hugo Eckener (first powered flight round the world, and with fare-paying passengers to boot) and Frank Whittle (jet engine). As far as political leaders go I can't see the rationale behind including Gorbachev but not Lenin or Stalin, if the main criterion here is effecting change. After all, Gorbachev played a relatively minor role in clearing up the mess which Stalin almost single-handedly created. And if we're only allowed one film maker I'm not sure about Spielberg (I'd argue that the films of, say, John Ford or Walt Disney had a greater impact over a longer time scale, both as 'art' - whatever that's supposed to be - and entertainment), but I guess we could debate that until the cows come home.
 

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Posted by Phil Hill (Member # 371) on 03-09-2004, 07:03 PM:
 
I agree with including Steve Wozniac and Nikola Tesla.

Time mag sucks the big green weenie! I changed to Newsweek years ago.

And how could *WE* not mention Dr. Larry Hornbeck?

>>> Phil
 

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