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Posted by Steve Kraus (Member # 476) on 04-11-2004, 07:25 PM:

What kind of garage doors predominate in your area, single panel or segmented? Here (Chicago area) the segmented ones are the norm although there are a few single panel neighborhoods. It seems like California is almost all single panels.

Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 04-11-2004, 07:33 PM:

Ummmm I've never taken the time/interest to notice. I HAVE noticed, however, that newer garage door openers are super ultra noisy, whereas the older ones are much quieter. Kind of like how new toilets don't have enough power to flush a single turd. Is there some sort of new code that requires garage door openers to be exceedingly noisy?[av=q]

Posted by Gerard S. Cohen (Member # 994) on 04-11-2004, 08:22 PM:

SEGMENTED DOORS: (Used almost exclusively in my area.)

Part of the noise is caused by chain drives. Those using a screw drive tend to be quieter.
If the door is properly aligned--lubed bogey wheels properly fitted into their channels, and the travel stop switches properly adjusted--the door should travel without excessive noise and not close with a BANG!

Posted by Jon Miller (Member # 163) on 04-11-2004, 08:23 PM:

Down in these parts, virtually all newer houses come with roll-up (segmented) doors while older houses originally had single-panel tilt-ups. Quite a few homeowners, myself included, replaced the old tilt-up doors with roll-ups for a cleaner look and, most importantly, to be able to park a car close to the garage (if you have a garage with so much crap in it you can't park your car in it [Smile]

) and not have to move it to open the garage door. Yes, the design of a roll-up door is inherently noisier than a tilt-up, especially the minimally-insulated types whose panels tend to amplify the rattles and bangs of operation.

I caught a report some years ago regarding old doors, removed when Californian homeowners upgraded from tilt-up to roll-up, routinely being shipped south of the border where they are used for wall and roof panels in the construction of houses in the poorer parts of Baja. Those old doors supposedly worked well for that purpose.

BTW, Joe, there is a new crapper just introduced which its manufacturer claims can flush much more than a single turd. [Smile]

[ 04-18-2004, 08:04 PM: Message edited by: Jon Miller ]

Posted by Pete Wolla (Member # 1581) on 04-11-2004, 08:44 PM:

changed from chain to screw last year big difference

Posted by Randy Stankey (Member # 64) on 04-11-2004, 10:43 PM:

Roll-ups are universal here in N.W. Pennsylvania.

I would say that one reason garage doors are so noisy is speed. Modern garage door openers are faster than their older counterparts. The faster they go, the more noise they make. In today's society, faster is better... damn the noise.

Second, I would say that doors are noisier because they are lighter. In days past, garage doors were heavy wood contraptions. Nowadays they are lighter formed metal contraptions. Some are hollow core and others are simply stamped metal.

My garage door is stamped metal. It's a bit on the noisy side. If I get a can of spray-on lithium grease and make sure the rollers are all lubed it quiets down a lot.

Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 04-11-2004, 10:56 PM:

To be quite honest I don't think I've seen very many single panel doors. That's just odd. I think that anyone who owns a single panel garage door is, well, less of a person. [Smile]

[av=c]

And Jon, nowhere on that site did it say what kind of "load" it has been tested with. I want numbers!

Posted by Chris Hipp (Member # 1788) on 04-11-2004, 11:33 PM:

Well, down hur in Yee Haw land, same story, newer homes built post 1960 tend to have roll up doors while the older houses have single panel doors.

Now an interesting question would be about windows in bathrooms. I have never understood why anyone would put a window in a bathroom.

Posted by Jon Miller (Member # 163) on 04-11-2004, 11:52 PM:

Well, Chris, maybe an openable window was the obvious solution for ventilation before the "fart fan" became popular.

Joe...you wanted numbers...well, here's some:

Maybe the rubber tubes used in the test is the closest they could come to a real "payload". [Smile]

Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 04-12-2004, 12:10 AM:

I want the TURD TEST![av=m] I use that much toilet paper (maybe more) in one sitting! [Smile]

Posted by Carl Martin (Member # 1146) on 04-12-2004, 06:50 AM:

it all comes down to an ill-conceived water-preservation effort. low-flush toilets do use less water per flush. but if it takes 4 kinder, gentler flushes to move a turd then i question the benefit. especially as you have to wait for the tank to refill between flushes.

the best solution is the dual-flush toilet. one lever empties a small tank, just enough to flush down a #1. the other lever empties a larger tank (or both tanks?), with enough force to sink joe's bowelship.

i actually thought of this years ago, and was pleasantly surprised to find one in a hotel in bologna. they might be a little counterintuitive at first, but i'd love to see them catch on.

carl

Posted by Bruce McGee (Member # 131) on 04-12-2004, 07:06 AM:

Thanks Joe, for that revealing image that you just plastered into my widdle mind...

When I worked for Sears about 10 years ago, I worked on garage door openers. They weren't THAT loud. Most doors are the sectionals now. The solid doors are only found on really old homes around here in NC.

My own garage, that is so full of movie equipment that I can't park my car in there anymore, had a "track-drive" opener first. What a noisy POS! While at Sears, I got a chain-drive. Much quieter.

The secret to a good long quiet life for your door is maintenance! Oil the rollers and hinges yearly!

Now and then, disconnect the opener from the door (with the release) and manually raise and lower the door by hand. It should easily go up and down. If it is heavy, you need to adjust the door springs. My door will go up and down when I push it with one hand. This also takes alot of load off of the plastic gears that are used in most of the newer GDO systems.

It's also a good idea to check the force adjustments on your door, too. If you need to know how to do this, read your instructions. I can reverse my door just by putting reverse pressure on it with my hands while it comes down.

My door has been problem-free for 10 years. Maintenance!

The reason for the switch from trac-drive to chain drive was to gain the door sensors that reverse the door if something comes thru the door while it is coming down. Almost lost a kitten to my door that tried to get out while the door was working...

Since I got my Lo-Flo toilet, I've had to have Roto Rooter out twice. Seems that there is not enough flow to get the 'waste' all the way out to the street where the big line is. I disabled the low-flow feature on my toilet last summer after the 2nd Roto Rooter visit.

What varied topics we have here! I love this place!

Posted by Mike Blakesley (Member # 26) on 04-12-2004, 01:03 PM:

quote:
I think that anyone who owns a single panel garage door is, well, less of a person.

I had a single-panel on my old house. Knowing that I needed to "better myself," I got married and we moved into a 20-year-newer house with a rollup door. So I'm not just more of a person, I'm more people!

Posted by Ian Price (Member # 14) on 04-13-2004, 03:20 PM:

My garage is no longer this pristine. And yes, the door is too noisy.

Posted by Zach McQuaid (Member # 613) on 04-18-2004, 02:16 AM:

Ian, would you like a house to go with that Garage?!!

To quiet down a garage door, simply use some 3M Spray Adhesive to glue carpeting on the ceiling, and maybe half-way up the interior walls as well.

In Ian's case, a car or two and maybe a set of old tires would also help with the noise...and spruce up that garage to give it that "lived in" look!! [Big Grin]

Posted by Bobby Henderson (Member # 840) on 04-18-2004, 05:04 AM:

quote:
I want the TURD TEST! I use that much toilet paper (maybe more) in one sitting!

If it is still necessary to keep wiping after about the third or fourth time, I'd just say to hell with it and take a shower. An ass that dirty (or itchy) is gonna need more than paper to get it clean!

BTW, I live in an older house. It has a single panel door. I don't give a damn. My truck is too big to park in there. The Camaro I had before wouldn't fit either.

Posted by Ian Price (Member # 14) on 04-18-2004, 01:08 PM:

My house is quiet for a 2x4 stick framed house. I had all the interior walls insulated, but how much insulation can you cram in to a 3 1/2" wall cavity? I know that when I have the stereo playing and I take the trash out to the garage as soon as the kitchen door closes, I can no longer hear the stereo.

My house has a live sound because I had the floors tiled instead of carpeted and I don't have a lot of furniture.

My garage is about 1' longer than my short 1994 Dodge Caravan. Most families in my neighborhood have at least one pickup truck. Most families park in their driveways because either the pickup truck or both cars will not fit in to the garage because the garage is too small or they have crapped up their garage with junk or work shops.

I always park in the garage not because I care that much for Norge but because I don't think that cars, boats, campers or basketball hoops makes for a nice aesthetic.

I think by law (or common sense) a garage should fit a Suburban or an extended cab pickup truck. My ideal garage would be big enough for two Suburbans, the lawn mower, trashcans and a workbench. My neighbor can just fit their new Tahoe in to their garage.

My father doesn't understand why anyone would want a garage in the first place. He has two homes and neither one has a garage. His house on Cape Cod does have a basement. A basement he understands.

Although I don't appreciate the suburban aesthetic of garages all facing the street, the Garage is still one of my favorite spaces in a house. I love all that clear floor space. I have always thought that it would be cool to live in a small apartment above a two-car garage. But I would like that garage in the alley or around the side of the house. I like alleys or in England Muse.

I have always enjoyed those custom look garage doors that look like old Carrage House doors.

Posted by Roger Katz (Member # 1625) on 04-18-2004, 10:33 PM:

I'm jealous of anyone who has a place to park a car under a roof regardless of what type of door it has - especially in the winter.

Posted by Mike Pennell (Member # 1692) on 04-19-2004, 05:34 AM:

Didn't the Fonz live in a small apartment above a two car garage? [beer]

Posted by Josh Jones (Member # 447) on 04-19-2004, 04:52 PM:

I am shocked when I see a house without a basement! basements rule [Smile]

Josh

Posted by Daryl C. W. O'Shea (Member # 1303) on 04-19-2004, 05:43 PM:

Maybe this garage would be big enough for you, Ian.

Not big enough? How about...

Posted by Scott Norwood (Member # 30) on 04-19-2004, 05:48 PM:

Wow. If you got the plane and the cars out of the way and finished the walls and built a booth, that bottom garage would make a terrific screening room! [thumbsup]

I wish I had a garage or even just a parking space. Parking on the street isn't always convenient.

Posted by Daryl C. W. O'Shea (Member # 1303) on 04-19-2004, 05:52 PM:

The hanger door is white and has an aspect ratio of 2.39:1 ! [Big Grin]

Posted by Ian Price (Member # 14) on 04-19-2004, 09:48 PM:

I like your thinking.

As far as basements go, temperate climates mean no basements. Frosty climates mean basements. Since you have to dig the footings down below frost line, you might as well dig a little further and have a basement.

Although I don’t like basements much, I spent some time living in them in Denver as a child. I don’t like the low headroom, musty smells, creeping dampness and small windows. I do like the idea of an underground house. I liked the Hobbit’s house in Lord of the Rings.

In California, Texas, Florida and the like most builders don't bother with a basement. It's an unreasonable expense and prone to water infiltration. The just build on top of the earth. The only time you are likely to find a basement in California is when the house is on a hillside and it's a walkout basement.

Dirk Pitt lives in a hanger.

Posted by Daryl C. W. O'Shea (Member # 1303) on 04-19-2004, 10:02 PM:

Like you said, dig a little further. [Smile]

My basement has a 10' ceiling... we just kept digging. A good tar spray will keep the water out for a good fifty years too.

Posted by Phil Hill (Member # 371) on 04-19-2004, 10:18 PM:

So Daryl, I hear the feathers add another 20 years to the waterproof tar coating. [beer]

I too, used to have a basement when I lived in Michigan. What a waste! The ONLY reason I could see to have a basement is for a S&M dungeon... Ummm IF I was into such things. I'd MUCH rather spread out on ground level for more space and/or a screening room.

Give me a flat, one-story ranch-type house to sprawl out in... Oh, AND a *nice* garage! Right Ian? [Big Grin]

>>> Phil

Posted by Daryl C. W. O'Shea (Member # 1303) on 04-19-2004, 10:32 PM:

Actually, my basement is a walk out basement... which is convenient for pool parties and crap like that.

It's a good place for a bar, pool table, furnace, water heater, pin ball machines, and screening room though.

Posted by Josh Jones (Member # 447) on 04-22-2004, 08:30 PM:

good for true underground radio as well [Wink]