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Posted by Ryan Luby (Member # 2520) on 07-06-2004, 03:28 AM:
 
It's official, the fans are calling.
Took them long enough.

This is an open discussion of why I (and any others) should be a moderator of this forum. It will be a numerical listing of short and concise reasons so that you do not get lost or confused.

If you do not find my initial arguments to be sufficient, I will add more. Again, though, I'm trying to keep this simple for you all.

1. I'm better than you. My presence here is a privilege you should all cherish.
2. I treat my inferiors with respect. Jealously of my greatness may occur. I am understanding of this and am here to help you cope with your inferiority complexes.
3. People say I have an aura of modesty that makes others want to be better people themselves.
4. I'm half Japanese, which means I'm stealthy (which means I can surprise attack you) and also adds to the racial diversity of the moderating team. This automatically makes the team a better, more well-rounded, and happier crew. I'm also from samurai nobility on my grandmother's side, which again comes back to me being better than you.
5. I like pizza.

Now it is up to you to let the admins know how much you want me to moderate (and therefore improve) this forum by responding here. With your help we (as in I) shall rise to the top.

Being one to share the fame, I urge any of you who feel that they have what it takes to moderate a forum (I've been admin/moderator of forums with over 4000 members..it's more work than it seems) to give their reasons here, as well.

[thumbsup]
 
Posted by Nate Lehrke (Member # 1460) on 07-06-2004, 04:03 AM:
 
Ryan, you claim that you’re of Japanese decent. I don’t believe anything you say until you have a member picture. Seems to me that you are trying to hoodwink all the Japanese members here into supporting you.

I would want to be a moderator only if I can BAN other moderators. So if that’s the case, here’s my argument.

As a self-acclaimed MOD elect, I only have one platform.
1. Ban JOE REDIFER. He has caused nothing but problems.

Thank you and enjoy the forums! [Big Grin]
 
Posted by Jennifer Pan (Member # 2035) on 07-06-2004, 04:18 AM:
 
HEY! [Mad]
Joe has brought wonderful things in my life!
 
Posted by Michael Schaffer (Member # 1204) on 07-06-2004, 05:53 AM:
 
Like what exactly?
 
Posted by Richard Greco (Member # 2032) on 07-06-2004, 08:12 AM:
 
I can't vote for you without a pic
 
Posted by Rachel Gilardi (Member # 1016) on 07-06-2004, 08:31 AM:
 
You only have 5 posts!!! [Roll Eyes] [evil] [Big Grin]
 
Posted by Scott Norwood (Member # 30) on 07-06-2004, 08:44 AM:
 
BANNED! All of you (except Rachel).
 
Posted by Gordon McLeod (Member # 33) on 07-06-2004, 09:52 AM:
 
I didn't think moderators were chosen by popular vote as this is a privately owned web site
 
Posted by Brad Miller (Member # 2) on 07-06-2004, 11:53 AM:
 
Gordon pegged how this works. Besides, no new person will be considered and most certainly NOT someone who hasn't had the courtesy to send in a member picture. Members with pictures always get preferential treatment over a member with equal number of (non-annoying/useful/entertaining) posts.
 
Posted by Ryan Luby (Member # 2520) on 07-06-2004, 12:45 PM:
 
I did take the time to send in a picture (but you know that already).
 
Posted by Jennifer Pan (Member # 2035) on 07-06-2004, 12:58 PM:
 
Michael: Like the pursuit of happiness. I don't think my goals would be the same if it weren't for Joe. I'd probably give up the pursuit of the career I wanted and be something my parents want me to be. Even though everybody says to just do what you want to do... It just means alot when he's the one saying it.
 
Posted by Mike Blakesley (Member # 26) on 07-06-2004, 01:14 PM:
 
I think the dude was just trying to be funny and to "proclaim his own greatness" better and more entertainingly than Joe does. Unfortunately, he failed in this because only Joe can pull this off with the masterfulness that it requires. [Big Grin]
 
Posted by Steve Scott (Member # 630) on 07-06-2004, 01:46 PM:
 
quote: Ryan Luby
I'm half Japanese, which means I'm stealthy (which means I can surprise attack you)
The most powerful martial arts move, if I recall, is the five point palm exploding heart technique... perfected by Pai Mei... who was Chinese [Big Grin]

We could hire Gordon Liu... thus making point #4 moot! [Smile]
 
Posted by Ryan Luby (Member # 2520) on 07-06-2004, 02:22 PM:
 
Mr Scott,
Since when is martial arts comprised of just one single move? Last I heard (not counting the praying mantis from the Karate Kid) martial arts was a combination of several different movements strung together in a fluid and dazzling fashion.
I'd also like to see the "five point palm exploding heart technique" defeat myself and my 16th century samurai sword.

And the surprise attack bit was more a play on Bill Parcels, Dallas Cowboy coach, who recently took flak for using "Japanese" as a name for his surprise attack, in reference to the Japanese attacking Pearl Harbor.

Also, you didn't find a way to "shoot down" my samurai bit, which was also a part of the "mooted" (which is a funny word, I think) #4.
 
Posted by David Ingalsbe (Member # 2433) on 07-06-2004, 03:20 PM:
 
Steve,
I think maybe you and I should go "welcome" ryan in to our little community. test out his stealthness [Big Grin] . it's good to see more minasotans on the form.

(I know, I know Brad, picture I will send one in.)
 
Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 07-06-2004, 06:28 PM:
 
Actually granting Mod powers to newbies can be quite helpful. They go on a banning spree, and then we say he/she did it because they were new, and then we ban them. Of course we never unban the people that the newbie banned. It helps with the spring cleaning, so to speak.[av=q]
 
Posted by Mike Blakesley (Member # 26) on 07-06-2004, 06:45 PM:
 
I think people who live in Minnesota but can't spell "Minnesotans" should be banned to North Dakota. [Roll Eyes]
 
Posted by Nate Lehrke (Member # 1460) on 07-06-2004, 07:01 PM:
 
Film-Tech Spelling bee:

word is: Minnesotans

Minnesotans. M-I-N-N-E-S-O-T-A-N-S. Minnesotans.

I am the greatest speller! [Big Grin]
 
Posted by Daryl C. W. O'Shea (Member # 1303) on 07-06-2004, 07:15 PM:
 
I'll ban anyone for five dollars (via PayPal) or a book from my Amazon list, at least for a day.
 
Posted by Phil Hill (Member # 371) on 07-06-2004, 07:29 PM:
 
OK Daryl... I'll send you $150 to permanently ban 3 people I can think of right now. One is Brad.

(BTW: I'm not on "my" list!)

>>> Phil
 
Posted by Brad Miller (Member # 2) on 07-06-2004, 07:34 PM:
 
Ok, I'm not picking on Jen, but I am picking on Joe.

quote: Jennifer Pan
Even though everybody says to just do what you want to do... It just means alot when he's the one saying it.
AWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!!!!!!!!!! That's so sweet. [blush]
 
Posted by Ryan Luby (Member # 2520) on 07-06-2004, 08:12 PM:
 
I hate when residents of my house/city/state/country do something unintelligent because then it comes back to me by association.
[Razz]

Nate wants to remind everyone that we don't talk like the people in FARGO, either, don'tchaknow.
 
Posted by Jeremy Fuentes (Member # 2135) on 07-07-2004, 01:43 AM:
 
Ryan if you become a mod before me, I will kick Richard Greco's ass. Since he is legal now, I can do that without getting in too much trouble. But I dont need to be a samurai to do that. I just need to show him a pic of a young girl who is almost legal, then while he is distracted, BAM!, a swift kick to the throat! [Big Grin] [Big Grin] [beer]
 
Posted by Ryan Luby (Member # 2520) on 07-07-2004, 04:44 AM:
 
Fair enough, Jeremy.
Cheers to kicking people in throats. [beer]

And I have my picture up, now, Nate, proving I have at least some sort of Asian in me (though some people have been known to guess Hispanic or Native American..). Since I guess it was too difficult for you to notice my heritage before, because, you know, we never work together or anything, you now have your proof (I like commas, apparently..).
 
Posted by Steve Scott (Member # 630) on 07-07-2004, 02:20 PM:
 
Alright, you guys got me, I completely passed over the fact that you're from MN Ryan [Embarrassed] I'll except your skills, however lethal they may be... especially since we're in the same turf [Smile]

WELCOME WELCOME WELCOME!!! [thumbsup]
 
Posted by Paul Mayer (Member # 355) on 07-07-2004, 03:53 PM:
 
Always good to see another half-Japanese on the forum. Welcome aboard, or, 'er,

ようこそ
Youkoso!
 
Posted by Richard Greco (Member # 2032) on 07-07-2004, 04:09 PM:
 
quote:
Ryan if you become a mod before me, I will kick Richard Greco's ass. Since he is legal now, I can do that without getting in too much trouble. But I dont need to be a samurai to do that. I just need to show him a pic of a young girl who is almost legal, then while he is distracted, BAM!, a swift kick to the throat!


Just show me a pic of Hilary Duff. That'll distract me enough. Of course, I'm gonna see "A Cinderella Story" next week.
 
Posted by Ryan Luby (Member # 2520) on 07-07-2004, 04:13 PM:
 
I think I'd rather be poked in the eyes with chopsticks for an hour and a half than sit through that 90 minute piece of trash. [thumbsup]
 
Posted by Josh Jones (Member # 447) on 07-07-2004, 06:40 PM:
 
quote: Mike Blakesley
I think people who live in Minnesota but can't spell "Minnesotans" should be banned to North Dakota.

Actually, I say we throw them all one state over, to Montana. Aint much up in dem parts anywayz....

quote: Ryan Luby
I hate when residents of my house/city/state/country do something unintelligent because then it comes back to me by association.


Then you moved up here why?

Josh
 
Posted by Mike Blakesley (Member # 26) on 07-07-2004, 07:06 PM:
 
quote: Josh Jones
Actually, I say we throw them all one state over, to Montana. Aint much up in dem parts anywayz....
Fine by me, as long as you throw'em up near Jordan. Lotta crackpots up there anyway.
 
Posted by Ryan Luby (Member # 2520) on 07-07-2004, 07:13 PM:
 
quote: Josh Jones
Then you moved up here why?
I didn't move up anywhere. I was born and raised in the Twin Cities. And that statement would hold true whether I lived in Minneapolis or Guam (Guam being a substitute for any other area of residence.). [Smile]
 
Posted by Josh Jones (Member # 447) on 07-07-2004, 08:08 PM:
 
IC
 
Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 07-07-2004, 09:23 PM:
 
Too lazy to type the extra two letters to spell "I see" Josh? No wonder your generation is nothing but a bunch of young whippersnappers who will ruin the world![av=o]
 
Posted by Ryan Luby (Member # 2520) on 07-07-2004, 10:10 PM:
 
It's a lot of work though, Joe, to type out all four letters instead of two. This way, as Homer showed us when he became obese and worked at home, he is doubling his productivity. Plus you still have to think of what to reply with, move your mouse all the way over to "Post Reply", click the left button, type, move all the way down to "Add Reply" and click the left button AGAIN! That's a lot to ask for from us lazy folk of this generation.

In fact, I recommend that we all just use the first letter of each word when posting. Here's what my post would look like:

I a l o w t, J, t t o a f l i o t. T w, a H s u w h b o a w a h, h i d h p. P y s h t t o w t r w, m y m a t w o t "P R", c t l b, t, m a t w d t "A R" a c t l b A! T a l t a f f u l f o t g.

See? Isn't that much easier and much more clear? It also takes up less space, so we have less to read. Now our laziness can be fully utilized and we won't have to waste time typing complete words ever again!
Cheers! [beer]
 
Posted by Paul Mayer (Member # 355) on 07-07-2004, 10:17 PM:
 
こりゃ、落ちるわ
We're doomed. [Roll Eyes]
 
Posted by Dave Williams (Member # 299) on 07-07-2004, 11:21 PM:
 
I always wanted to be a moderator, but I was always too humble to ask, and too cute to be bogged down with responsibility. Besides, I would be more power hungry than Joe, and I would be more pissy.

I give one vote for Mark G., One for myself, another one for myself, two more for Mark, then three for me, negative seven for Joe, and four more for me.

Ciao

Dave [evil]
 
Posted by Ethan Harper (Member # 472) on 07-08-2004, 04:08 AM:
 
How bout we start a Phiggidy Phat Phorum! I could emcee dat with mad skills of moderation yo! That would be ill son! What you Homies say to dat? Word! Joe?
 
Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 07-08-2004, 05:25 AM:
 
Word! I demand da creation of da Phiggidy Phat Phorum yo![av=v]
 
Posted by Nate Lehrke (Member # 1460) on 07-08-2004, 05:30 AM:
 
We'd get some serious street cred if the triple P forums were created! [thumbsup]
 
Posted by Steve Scott (Member # 630) on 07-08-2004, 02:11 PM:
 
quote: Ryan Luby
I a l o w t, J, t t o a f l i o t. T w, a H s u w h b o a w a h, h i d h p. P y s h t t o w t r w, m y m a t w o t "P R", c t l b, t, m a t w d t "A R" a c t l b A! T a l t a f f u l f o t g.

Oh, I understand [Big Grin]

Ryan, do you run your booth on messages like that? If so, I'll transfer there so I finally won't have to waste me time with long memos [Smile]

An' I dizagree, the Phiggidy Phat Phorum iz wiggidy wack! Y'all be smokin' crack up in herre!
w00t...
[scream]
Madness!
 
Posted by Ryan Luby (Member # 2520) on 07-08-2004, 02:21 PM:
 
No, Steve, we do not.
Unfortunately, Nate has banned all things "fun" and "cool" and "convenient". [thumbsdown]
 
Posted by Jeremy Fuentes (Member # 2135) on 07-08-2004, 02:43 PM:
 
quote: Steve Scott was the last to post
I a l o w t, J, t t o a f l i o t. T w, a H s u w h b o a w a h, h i d h p. P y s h t t o w t r w, m y m a t w o t "P R", c t l b, t, m a t w d t "A R" a c t l b A! T a l t a f f u l f o t g.
W T F??
 
Posted by Josh Jones (Member # 447) on 07-08-2004, 05:12 PM:
 
Word...
 
Posted by Nate Lehrke (Member # 1460) on 07-22-2004, 12:29 AM:
 
It with the deepest regret that I must announce my decision to withdraw my original bid to be your next FT Mod. When facing these difficult times I must put my full support behind Ryan Luby. He is a man of great decency and upholds the moral character I believe is necessary to be a successful leader and moderator of these forums. Mr. Luby is a believer in “violence, exclusion, and degradation” (All traits necessary to fill Joe’s role.)

I urge all of you, who care about FT and want to continue to see it prosper, send an email to Joe Redifer to voice your support of Ryan Luby replacing Joe as the next sarcastic asshole mod.

I thank all of you who supported my brief run to be your ‘People’z Mod’ and ask that support Mr. Luby the same way you supported me.

[Smile] [Big Grin] [Wink]
 
Posted by Brad Miller (Member # 2) on 07-22-2004, 12:35 AM:
 
Damnit Nate, I was just about to add you!

Oh well your reasoning is truly sound. What better idea than to have everyone send an email to the Mod who will be booted to make room for the new Mod. Even more ridiculous is that a Mod has no authority to make another member a Mod.

You've been smoking some of that I-30 stuff, haven't you Nate? [Wink]
 
Posted by Dustin Mitchell (Member # 372) on 07-22-2004, 12:38 AM:
 
Ethan, don't you know its spelled 'skillz' not 'skills.'

Dang man, get some edumacation [Roll Eyes] .
 
Posted by Nate Lehrke (Member # 1460) on 07-22-2004, 12:51 AM:
 
How’d you know Brad?

The pictures of me smoking were just about to be released so I had to back out. I didn’t want embarrass the FT community with this scandal.

I swear that I only tried it once. It was the 90’s and a time of experimentation. I can only hope people can grow to forgive with time.
 
Posted by Ryan Luby (Member # 2520) on 07-22-2004, 01:14 AM:
 
Forgiving is for the weak of heart, you yellow-bellied pansy.
Thanks for your words of support, though. [thumbsup]

Unfortunately, I am stepping down in my bid for moderating ruler and am nominating someone else to fill my shoes.

This man is more than just a "friend" to me..he's more of a role-model supreme. Think of Gandhi plus Martin Luther King Jr. plus Liono from Thundercats and you will have something close to what I'm talking about.

I pledge my support for none other than:

RICHARD GRECO!!!
(that last part should be heard in a loud, booming, echoing voice)

[Eek!]
 
Posted by Rachel Gilardi (Member # 1016) on 07-22-2004, 07:54 AM:
 
Um, no... [puke] [Big Grin]
 
Posted by Richard Greco (Member # 2032) on 07-22-2004, 08:32 AM:
 
quote: Rachel Gilardi
Um, no...
Hey!!!....
 
Posted by Floyd Justin Newton (Member # 1316) on 07-23-2004, 02:01 PM:
 
[puke]
 
Posted by Gordon McLeod (Member # 33) on 07-23-2004, 03:22 PM:
 
Okay i will support Richard for the moderator of a new forum "wet dreams and underage jailbait" [evil]
 
Posted by Jason Miller (Member # 2341) on 07-23-2004, 04:25 PM:
 
oh good.. one more place for NAMBLA to voice an opinion.
 
Posted by Floyd Justin Newton (Member # 1316) on 07-23-2004, 09:45 PM:
 
WHO and, or,WHAT is NAMBLA? [Confused]

fjn
Lcal 294 Ret.
 
Posted by Paul Mayer (Member # 355) on 07-23-2004, 10:02 PM:
 
My, what a sheltered life you lead there Floyd. [Big Grin]

NAMBLA
 
Posted by Dustin Mitchell (Member # 372) on 07-24-2004, 02:20 AM:
 
North American Man Boy Love Association
Pedophiles who try to justify their sick actions.

How do I know this? A particularily crule practical joke in the mid-late 90's was to sign someone up for the NAMBLA newsletter via their website. I know of at least one high school principal who had to quit his job because a NAMBLA newsletter started showing up in his name at the school.
 
Posted by Jason Miller (Member # 2341) on 07-24-2004, 03:14 AM:
 
"justify"...

I think it would be easier to justify having sex with a dead otter...
 
Posted by Carl Martin (Member # 1146) on 07-24-2004, 03:19 AM:
 
there's definitely a stigma associated with that organization, but really, what's so bad about it? from their website (see paul's link above):

quote:
NAMBLA's goal is to end the extreme oppression of men and boys in mutually consensual relationships by:

# building understanding and support for such relationships;
# educating the general public on the benevolent nature of man/boy love;
# cooperating with lesbian, gay, feminist, and other liberation movements;
# supporting the liberation of persons of all ages from sexual prejudice and oppression.

...

We condemn sexual abuse and all forms of coercion.

it seems pretty benign to me. is it the case that in fact a lot of their membership engages in coercive sex (rape) in spite of the tenets of the organization? i can think of other organizations where that happens....

carl
 
Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 07-24-2004, 04:57 AM:
 
It's kind of funny how everyone teases Richard Greco for liking young girls, but liking young boys by other forum members is A-OK. What the hell?[av=d]
 
Posted by Dustin Mitchell (Member # 372) on 07-24-2004, 05:11 AM:
 
The 'stigma' against them may stem from a certain level of homophobia (though pedophilia and homosexuality are NOT linked as far as I know). It may also stem from the belief-correct in my opinion-that there is no such thing as 'consentual' sex between an adult and a child. This may (may) be disputed for 'children' who have nearly fully matured sexually but I can see no grounds for dispute when one is talking about pre-pubescent youths-boys or girls.
 
Posted by Rachel Gilardi (Member # 1016) on 07-24-2004, 12:16 PM:
 
I just like picking on Richard. Phil got boring...
 
Posted by Mike Blakesley (Member # 26) on 07-24-2004, 02:03 PM:
 
THAT'S the truth. Phil got dull the day he became a Mod. [Big Grin]
 
Posted by Manny Knowles (Member # 1171) on 07-24-2004, 04:27 PM:
 
quote: Joe Redifer
It's kind of funny how everyone teases Richard Greco for liking young girls, but liking young boys by other forum members is A-OK. What the hell?
Joe, I think you should directly say whatever it is you have to say -- if you can prove it -- or keep these cowardly attacks off the forums.
 
Posted by Steve Kraus (Member # 476) on 07-24-2004, 06:43 PM:
 
Um...what makes you think Joe's cowardly attack is directed at you? [Confused]

Not that voting counts here anymore than it does in the state of Florida but I'll go with Richard on the condition that the WD&UJ forum be created. Or just ban him; I don't care.

Now then, who is running for FT Queen? Some likely nominees: Rachel, Gracia, Jen, Emma. I'm sure I'm forgetting someone.
 
Posted by Manny Knowles (Member # 1171) on 07-24-2004, 06:50 PM:
 
Actually, I don't believe that it is aimed at me. I don't see how it possibly could be.

My point is -- it seems aimed at someone in particular and I think Joe should deal with it in a more direct manner, preferably man-to-man and not on a public forum.
 
Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 07-24-2004, 07:26 PM:
 
It's not aimed at anyone in particular. Stop being paranoid. It's aimed at the attitude of the very few people who seem to think that orginization is OK. And they've already posted in this forum. Why are you so freaked out about it, anyway?[av=c] Labeling it a "cowardly attack" only makes me think less of you.

The point is... man or woman... if you are seeking an extremely underage person to have sexual relations with, you are screwed up.
 
Posted by Manny Knowles (Member # 1171) on 07-24-2004, 07:38 PM:
 
quote: Joe Redifer
It's aimed at the attitude of the very few people who seem to think that orginization is OK. And they've already posted in this forum.
So, it's really just Carl that you have issues with. He's the only person that didn't "slam" NAMBLA.

Jason introduced NAMBLA to the discussion -- and he's against it.
Floyd had never heard of the organization.
Paul only posted a link for Floyd's educational benefit
Dustin doesn't support it
Jason posted again -- with a reaffirmation that he's against it

Apart from you, Carl is the only remaining person with something to say on the issue of sex with underage persons.

I suppose that a single person is indeed "very few" but the term suggests "more than just one."

I'm not parnaoid about anything. I just think if you're going to take people to task on their beliefs that you should do it in a more straightforward and appropriate manner. That is to say, without resorting to innuendo on a public forum. As a moderator, one would hope that you of all people would understand that.
 
Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 07-24-2004, 07:44 PM:
 
Looking back... I guess it is just Carl. But really, who cares? You seem to be the only one having issue with this for whatever reason. Give it a rest. Life will be OK, Manny. I clearly stated what I meant in that post and if it wasn't good enough for you, well then that's YOUR problem.

This argument ends now.[av=c]
 
Posted by Manny Knowles (Member # 1171) on 07-24-2004, 07:48 PM:
 
Post deleted by moderator

[ 07-24-2004, 07:51 PM: Message edited by: Joe Redifer ]
 
Posted by Phil Hill (Member # 371) on 07-24-2004, 08:07 PM:
 
Why? By deleting posts, it appears that you Mr. Moderator are hiding something...

>>> Phil
 
Posted by Manny Knowles (Member # 1171) on 07-24-2004, 08:11 PM:
 
Well, that ends that, I suppose.

As they used to say on Fraggle Rock...

THE TRASH HEAP HAS SPOKEN!

...Not you, Phil! [Wink]
 
Posted by Brad Miller (Member # 2) on 07-24-2004, 08:13 PM:
 
This thread is being locked until I can read through it, my angry hate mail and make a decision.
 
Posted by Brad Miller (Member # 2) on 07-24-2004, 11:27 PM:
 
I’m going to say upfront that this is an awful difficult thread to try and moderate, but I figured it would happen sooner or later, so here goes my best shot at keeping peace.

quote: Joe Redifer
It's kind of funny how everyone teases Richard Greco for liking young girls, but liking young boys by other forum members is A-OK. What the hell?
Ok Joe, after reading your post after that one I see that you were actually referring to “underage” girls and “underage” boys, but apparently I am not the only person here who initially read this comment as a bashing against homosexual forum members because (1) the mention of NAMBLA and (2) most of the forum members are guys. Regardless, I received 7 emails in my inbox from 7:44pm to 8:09pm from people directing me to this thread who are offended at your remarks and the deletion of Manny’s post because he challenged your comments in this thread. At this point I feel I need to step in and try to keep the peace between all.

To everyone: there is a policy here on these forums (last paragraph of the FAQ page) These forums are moderated in the respect solely toward personal insults.” Now in analyzing this carefully, it can be argued that Joe did not technically break any rule here on FT. This is because the rule is followed up by “Everyone is welcome to participate in any capacity until the point comes at which other members are being singled out and directly insulted.” However while it can be argued that Joe did not single any specific forum member out by name, he did single out a group of forum members by their sexual orientation. Furthermore, as he was challenged by Manny he did end up singling out a forum member by name. Another problem was that he deleted a post by Manny which was not out of line, nor against any forum rules. However it is clear to me that Joe did that because he was trying to stop this thread before it got too far out of hand. Appreciation goes to Joe for trying to keep peace, but in this instance I feel this needs an Administrative decision.

Personally I think this thread has become a little bit overblown, but just like some people take great offense at religious and/or political issues, sexual orientation is a pretty big one too. Politics and religion is an easy thing to ban to keep the peace, but there shall be no discrimination here. Effective immediately (and put into the FAQ page once the wording can be determined), there are to be no malicious references to sexual orientation of any sort. Feel free to make jokes and such, but please make sure they are not done in a negative manner. Also I might as well add it now before it turns up later, there are to be no malicious references to any person’s handicap or race either. This seems to me a pretty obvious thing in today’s society, but I’m sure I am missing something else. It seems there is always something, but we do our best.

Now Joe is the oldest FT member and has done a top notch job in moderating. No one can dispute these facts. However this is not the first time that complaints have been lobbied over anti-gay comments and innuendos that he has made…and although Joe is the example being used today, he is by far not the only one who has made them. I have tried in the past to let members know off-site that they need to respect the other forum member’s personal business by refraining from making such posts, but there are many members here who are completely anti-gay and they have taken offense at the request alone. So my decision as a solution to this issue here (which is final for those of you who don’t realize that this is my site and I make the rules), is that I am respectfully requesting that everyone who has a problem with gays/lesbians/bisexuals/etc refrain in the future from making any further posts attacking or hinting or making innuendos in any negative way toward their sexual orientation. Again, there shall be no discrimination towards members here. Do note that I said regarding sexual “orientation” and I also said “attacking or hinting or making innuendos in any negative way”, not sex-related posts in general. As far as I am concerned and aware of, that is the only thing that is continually angering and insulting to some of our members, so that is the only thing I am requesting everyone refrain from.

He/she who does not respect this policy shall be banned.

Regarding NAMBLA, as far as I am concerned this is a topic that can do nothing but cause problems. Effective now NAMBLA has been added to the censor filter and is not to be discussed. Also at popular request, the moronic term “teh ghey” is being put an end.

At the request of Manny, the following is his post as originally made at 7:48PM
quote:

No -- you're clearly stating NOW what you meant...after being pressed by
me
to say what you mean and mean what you say.

Before, it was open to speculation what you meant.

The argument ends now...because I disagree with you? What are you going to
do? Ban me for having principles and sticking to them?

Joe Redifer has been temporarily removed from moderation since this directly affects him. While not directly related to this incident, Phil Hill requested yesterday that he be removed from moderation because he felt he could not honestly post his thoughts and feelings on the forums if he was a member of “management”. Joe will return to moderator status once I get confirmation from him that he is has no issues with this ruling and respects it, which I am confident he will.

Hopefully this was handled in a reasonably respectful way toward the members. If not, I apologize but it’s the best I could come up with to try and be fair towards everyone. Regardless, my rules are final here.

(For further clarification, no one to my knowledge has any issues with innocent gay-themed jokes such as the picture Michael Schaffer posted here. It’s all in good fun, just don’t be discriminating or disrespectful please. [Smile] )
 
Posted by Manny Knowles (Member # 1171) on 07-24-2004, 11:57 PM:
 
Thank you for resurrecting/reinstating the contents of my deleted post and I'll add "Amen" for banning discussions about that group and also filtering out that stupid (and transparently homophobic) expression.

To quote the young doctors in "Catch Me If You Can"

quote:
I concur!
[thumbsup]
 
Posted by Phil Hill (Member # 371) on 07-25-2004, 12:12 AM:
 
Hey Grand-Poo-BAH! Who the heck has the time to read that LONG horseshit post?

Here is my edit of the important issues!

------------------------------------------------------

Joe, after reading your post, I am not the only person here who initially read your comment as a bashing against the many gay forum members.

Effective immediately (and put into the FAQ page once the wording can be determined), there are to be no malicious references to sexual orientation of any sort. Feel free to make jokes and such, but please make sure they are not done in a negative manner. Also, I might as well add it now before it turns up later, there are to be no malicious references to any person's handicaps or race either.

NAMBLA and the moronic term "teh ghey" has been added to the
censor filter and is not to be discussed.

Joe Redifer has been temporarily removed from moderation since this directly affects him.

While not directly related to this incident, Phil Hill requested yesterday before all this, that he be removed from moderation because he felt he could not honestly post his thoughts and feelings on the forums if he was a member of "management".

My rules are final here. End of story!

-------------------------------------------------------------

>>> Phil!
 
Posted by Jeremy Fuentes (Member # 2135) on 07-25-2004, 12:23 AM:
 
I step away for one day, and this madness occurs. Need I remind people to relax!! [Big Grin] Well, I guess now there is room for Ryan to be a mod, since thats why this thread was started for anyway, but then it got WAY off topic.
 
Posted by Phil Hill (Member # 371) on 07-25-2004, 12:36 AM:
 
Jeremy... I really thought more of you than your dumb-ass post.

God willing, and with the powers to be, Ryan will NEVER be qualified to be a mod here.

>>> Phil
 
Posted by Jeremy Fuentes (Member # 2135) on 07-25-2004, 12:42 AM:
 
Yeah, Phil youre right. What was I thinking? I'm tired after a long day, and I'm not in my right mind. The next mod can be found by looking right here
<<<<<<<< [thumbsup] [thumbsup]
 
Posted by Steve Kraus (Member # 476) on 07-25-2004, 01:14 AM:
 
Nice to have you back among the proles, Phil.
 
Posted by Ryan Luby (Member # 2520) on 07-25-2004, 01:32 AM:
 
quote: Phil Hill

God willing, and with the powers to be, Ryan will NEVER be qualified to be a mod here.

Would perseverance be a positive quality of being a moderator?
[thumbsup]
 
Posted by Thomas Procyk (Member # 1170) on 07-25-2004, 01:35 AM:
 
Can I be a mod?

=TMP=
 
Posted by Nate Lehrke (Member # 1460) on 07-25-2004, 01:35 AM:
 
quote: Ryan Luby
perseverance
Ryan, you're full of [bs] .
 
Posted by Dave Williams (Member # 299) on 07-25-2004, 01:43 AM:
 
Thomas I could never allow you to become a moderator. You would always be deleting my posts! [Eek!]

You know I am right! [Big Grin] You can't stand it but I am always right all the time you know!!! [Roll Eyes]

Ciao [beer]

Dave
 
Posted by Mike Olpin (Member # 1115) on 07-25-2004, 01:55 AM:
 
Vote Mike Olpin for Moderator in 2004!
 
Posted by Phil Hill (Member # 371) on 07-25-2004, 02:39 AM:
 
quote: Ryan Luby
Would perseverance be a positive quality of being a moderator?
Yes Ryan... that will certainly be considered! Anyone with the balls to be that persistent in an honorable way must be really a person of integrity and should be given the opportunity to be "considered."

>>> Phil
 
Posted by Aaron Garman (Member # 1653) on 07-25-2004, 03:12 AM:
 
I lurked in this thread a couple times and then I came back and saw this? Wow, interesting. Anyhow, nice to be back on topic again and now I can pick on Phil more because he is one of us again. I also will say that I don't want to be a moderator because I am just not that responsible and wise to do it. So, to echo Mike Olpin's post, DON'T VOTE AARON IN 2004 . Also, kudos to the existing mods for keeping these forums controlled, clean, and easy to use. I can imagine the fun it can be at times to patrol these waters.

AJG
 
Posted by Phil Hill (Member # 371) on 07-25-2004, 03:56 AM:
 
quote: Aaron Garman
...now I can pick on Phil more because he is one of us again
HA! Aaron! You ONLY think I'm NOT a moderator. It's all a subterfuge! That's what "they" want you to believe! Never forget I have magical powers and I will use them as I deem necessary!

Beware! I am watching ALL of yous!

>>> Phil
 
Posted by Gordon McLeod (Member # 33) on 07-25-2004, 09:50 AM:
 
Phil said " Never forget I have magical powers"
I thought that is the pickup line you use in bars [Smile]
 
Posted by Per Hauberg (Member # 529) on 07-25-2004, 08:03 PM:
 
I'm just about sorry, I haven't got a picture of my very big and pale arse.
Not only would it - when uploaded in this polite and most respected forum - illustrate, what I think of smaller or bigger scale war (verbal included), -it might even cure dirtyminded gnomes from looking after mens arses.

Gentlemen ! You can't fight in here ! -This is The War Room !

Be good now - even to Mr. Hill

[beer]

quote:
Why don't you knock it off with them negative waves? Why don't you dig how beautiful it is out here? Why don't you say something righteous and hopeful for a change?

Oddball
 
Posted by Gordon McLeod (Member # 33) on 07-25-2004, 09:27 PM:
 
Per Phil can't be good it isn't in his job description [Razz]
 
Posted by Phil Hill (Member # 371) on 07-25-2004, 09:32 PM:
 
Hey Gordon! Trust me... I'm good! Very, VERY GOOD! [Wink]

>>> Phil
 
Posted by Gordon McLeod (Member # 33) on 07-25-2004, 09:57 PM:
 
references? [Big Grin]
 
Posted by Phil Hill (Member # 371) on 07-25-2004, 10:00 PM:
 
Sorry bub! I DON'T "kiss and tell"! [beer]

>>> Phil
 
Posted by Jason Miller (Member # 2341) on 07-25-2004, 10:29 PM:
 
I guess I should take the time to apologize to everyone for even bringing up the (ORGANIZATION BANNED).

Guess Ill stick to the movie name game...
 
Posted by Gordon McLeod (Member # 33) on 07-25-2004, 10:36 PM:
 
phil who said anything about kissing
 
Posted by Mike Blakesley (Member # 26) on 07-25-2004, 11:07 PM:
 
Oh good. Phil's back to his old self again. Wait, did I say "good"? I meant "Oh nooooooooooooooo"
 
Posted by Scott D. Neff (Member # 185) on 07-25-2004, 11:23 PM:
 
I'm only checking this cause I've heard so much controversy off-line about it.

I thought I'd just throw my 2 cents in, but then I typed them and deleted them cause I'm afraid I'll get banned for sharing my opinion.

Instead I'd like to declare my intentions to run for Moderator in 2004. Just remember, if you vote for me, all your wildest dreams will come true.

Let the political mudslinging begin against Mike Olpin. I'm Scott Neff and I personally approved this message.
 
Posted by Mark J. Marshall (Member # 1409) on 07-26-2004, 01:01 AM:
 
I'm waiting for someone to invent a camera that doesn't break when my picture is taken. When that happens, I'll submit a member photo and throw my hat in the ring for Mod '04.

Until then, just pretend you all know what I look like.

[Big Grin]
 
Posted by Mike Olpin (Member # 1115) on 07-26-2004, 01:38 AM:
 
quote: Scott D. Neff
Just remember, if you vote for me, all your wildest dreams will come true.

But, if you vote for me, then Pedro will offer you his protection.
 
Posted by Wolff King Morrow (Member # 2226) on 07-26-2004, 02:33 AM:
 
quote: Steve Kraus

Not that voting counts here anymore than it does in the state of Florida

If political debates are not allowed on the forums, then can we please limit the snide political remarks?

[ 07-26-2004, 05:03 AM: Message edited by: Wolff King Morrow ]
 
Posted by Gordon McLeod (Member # 33) on 07-26-2004, 10:29 AM:
 
"If political debates are not allowed on the forums, then can we please limit the snide political remarks?" yah and all live in a police state as well sarcasm is not a debate chillout- have a [beer] -get [sex] enjoy life or just get a thicker skin [Big Grin] maybe I should be a moderator if so just remember to click your heals when saluting [Big Grin]
 
Posted by Mark J. Marshall (Member # 1409) on 07-26-2004, 12:44 PM:
 
quote: Gordon McLeod was the last to post
If political debates are not allowed on the forums, then can we please limit the snide political remarks?
I agree.

Especially since everyone knows that voting in Florida counts. And counts. And counts. And counts. And counts. And counts. And counts....

Disclaimer: [Smile] [Big Grin] [Wink] [Razz] [beer] [Big Grin]
 
Posted by Brad Miller (Member # 2) on 07-26-2004, 02:06 PM:
 
Talking about a law is a completely different issue than what A person said in X campaign and what B person is trying to pull in X negotiations and what C person is against but shouldn't be, blah, blah, blah. As far as I'm concerned, the line is crossed once political names or hints pointing toward them are used. (This is a general guideline. I'm sure someone will seek out a way to sneak it in anyway just because some people just cannot stand not forcing their political issues everywhere they go.)
 
Posted by Phil Hill (Member # 371) on 07-26-2004, 04:22 PM:
 
Brad, I'm confused. Am I person "B" or "C"?

Thanks!

>>> Phil
 
Posted by Manny Knowles (Member # 1171) on 07-26-2004, 05:24 PM:
 
Vote for me and I'll officially make Phil a person. Then we can all debate whether he's "Person B" or "Person C" (or whatever). [Razz]
 
Posted by Kyle McEachern (Member # 2250) on 07-26-2004, 07:00 PM:
 
quote: Manny Knowles
Vote for me and I'll officially make Phil a person.
As far as I know, Phil's already proven himself to be a man many times over, little as we may want to have that visual. [Wink]
 
Posted by Manny Knowles (Member # 1171) on 07-26-2004, 07:32 PM:
 
Kyle -- Phil has also proved himself to be a woman. [Eek!] When last did you tune into KVXL?

[Razz] [Big Grin] [evil]
 
Posted by Phil Hill (Member # 371) on 07-26-2004, 07:35 PM:
 
KY(le), call me and let's get together again REAL soon! Hubba Hubba! [Wink]

>>> Phil
 
Posted by Manny Knowles (Member # 1171) on 07-26-2004, 07:50 PM:
 
Wow, Phil -- 2997 Posts!

Soon time for a party!!! [sex] [beer]
 
Posted by Kyle McEachern (Member # 2250) on 07-26-2004, 07:55 PM:
 
quote: Phil Hill
call me and let's get together again REAL soon
I *knew* something smelled funny in my drink...
 
Posted by Bruce McGee (Member # 131) on 07-26-2004, 08:05 PM:
 
**sigh**

I never get invited to Phil's party. What is it? My breath?

Sadness prevails...

[bruce]
 
Posted by Phil Hill (Member # 371) on 07-26-2004, 10:40 PM:
 
OMG Manny! I don't know where I made the 3000th post! To me, it's all like a premature ejaculation... fun for me but not my "partner"! [Wink]

>>> Phil
 
Posted by Steve Scott (Member # 630) on 07-27-2004, 01:35 PM:
 
What about the North American Marlon Brando Look-Alikes? [Smile]

Oh wait, he's dead, I'll get over it.
 
Posted by Phil Hill (Member # 371) on 07-27-2004, 10:11 PM:
 
Yeah you'll get over it.

>>> Phil
 
Posted by Jeremy Fuentes (Member # 2135) on 07-28-2004, 11:55 AM:
 
I was wondering if anyone of us even has a chance at becoming a mod, but then I figured if a COOTZILLA could reign over the forums, then why cant the rest of us. [Big Grin]
 
Posted by Tony Bandiera Jr (Member # 2365) on 07-30-2004, 11:46 PM:
 
Y'all are looney tunes! [Big Grin] Don't ever change!! [beer]
 
Posted by Bobby Henderson (Member # 840) on 07-31-2004, 12:10 AM:
 
I'm too much of an asshole to moderate. Perhaps if I moderate on being an asshole, I might be able to moderate someday...

...provided I have the time to do it. It sounds like such a tough job.
 
Posted by Rachel Gilardi (Member # 1016) on 07-31-2004, 04:44 PM:
 
quote: Bobby Henderson
...provided I have the time to do it. It sounds like such a tough job.
Hmmm, were you meaning that in a sarcastic way because it looks like it! [eyes]
 
Posted by Bobby Henderson (Member # 840) on 07-31-2004, 07:50 PM:
 
Judging from some of the stuff in the last few pages, I was being serious! It does sound like a tough job. I just know I would piss off someone somewhere. Gives me flashbacks of that political forum thingie.
 
Posted by Steve Kraus (Member # 476) on 08-01-2004, 05:25 PM:
 
When I'm dictator I will have a script that randomly changes "it's" to "it is" so people misusing the apostrophe will look stupid.

Now if Michael Schaffer can come up with a simple algorithm for his their / there / they're peave we could do that too.
 
Posted by Paul Mayer (Member # 355) on 08-01-2004, 05:31 PM:
 
Might as well throw my unvoiced "to" "too" "two" peeve in there as well. [Smile]
 
Posted by Brad Miller (Member # 2) on 08-01-2004, 07:28 PM:
 
What about people who type hmmm when they should type hummm? [Razz]
 
Posted by Steve Guttag (Member # 268) on 08-01-2004, 07:57 PM:
 
I rarely see the word "to" used in place of two (quantity). But too is often omitted and just to is used. In fact, what is the proper form for writing the phrase: There are three forms of the word to.?

Now "can" and "may" are expressions most people don't get.

Steve
 
Posted by Jeremy Fuentes (Member # 2135) on 08-01-2004, 08:00 PM:
 
I will ban those who use theatre instead of theater.
 
Posted by Steve Kraus (Member # 476) on 08-01-2004, 10:13 PM:
 
I'm a bit unclear on the hmmmm vs. hummmm issue. If I make a pondering noise it is best described by hmmmm, that is, the mmmm ("tastes good") sound but differentiated by being led by an h.
 
Posted by Paul Mayer (Member # 355) on 08-01-2004, 10:17 PM:
 
Right. "hmmmmmm" is for pondering. "mmmmmmm" is for something that is good. "hummmmmm" is what sound and video systems do when they don't know the words.
 
Posted by Adam Wilbert (Member # 1184) on 08-02-2004, 05:01 PM:
 
they're they're everyone, just calm down. It's going to be alright.

-Adam
p.s. THEATRE THEATRE THEATRE. It is a perfectly legit spelling!
 
Posted by Manny Knowles (Member # 1171) on 08-02-2004, 05:29 PM:
 
Shouldn't that have been -- "Its going 2b allright?"

We don't really need all those M's in the word "hum."

And I agree -- "theatre" is perfectly fine and, to my eye, looks better than "theater." Whenever I see the word "theater" I end up pronouncing it "thee-AYT-err" which is just wrong.
 
Posted by Mike Blakesley (Member # 26) on 08-02-2004, 06:46 PM:
 
People in this industry who use "theater" are a minority. The only group that uses "theater" regularly are the print media, and we know how often they're on the wrong track.
 
Posted by Jeremy Fuentes (Member # 2135) on 08-03-2004, 06:07 AM:
 
Adam=BANNED

Manny=BANNED

Mike=BANNED

Have a nice day and thanks for visiting the theater! [Big Grin]
 
Posted by Mike Blakesley (Member # 26) on 08-03-2004, 11:36 AM:
 
If I was Brad I would create a new forum: Joe Redifer's Game-O-Rama.

[thumbsup]
 
Posted by Mitchell Dvoskin (Member # 751) on 08-03-2004, 11:43 AM:
 
Jeremy Fuentes Banned for mis-spelling Theatre!
 
Posted by Steve Scott (Member # 630) on 08-03-2004, 01:41 PM:
 
If this were Jeopardy, we'd be in the Potpourri category here. How long has it been since this thread was on track? [Smile]

/I'll take the rapists for 500 [Smile]
 




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