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Posted by Jennifer Pan (Member # 2035) on 10-20-2004, 01:00 AM:

I'm not exactly sure if this has been talked about before. But I saw Verbatim Digital Vinyl CD-Rs on the shelves and I am intrigued to whether or not they are any better or equal.

Has anyone tried these vinyl CD-Rs out?

Posted by William Hooper (Member # 71) on 10-20-2004, 03:05 AM:

Those little vinyl discs are a pain.
You've got to buy a bunch of adapters for them.
You can switch one adapter between discs, but they start to fatigue & break.

Posted by Daryl C. W. O'Shea (Member # 1303) on 10-20-2004, 03:46 AM:

Verbatim makes the highest quality removable media on the planet. Period.

If vinylish looking CD-Rs are any good, or even crappy, Verbatim will make the best ones.

Posted by Mark Ogden (Member # 43) on 10-20-2004, 07:59 AM:

Umm . . . these are not vinyl CD-Rs (which I don't belive would be technically possible, I would be suprised if vinyl could be made reflective enough to meet spec), they are just conventional everyday aluminum CD-Rs that have been manufactured with a kind of retro looking black label area suggestive of old 33 1/3 and 45 rpm vinyl lp's and singles. I have used them at up to 12x writing speed with no problems.

Posted by Jennifer Pan (Member # 2035) on 10-20-2004, 11:37 AM:

Ahh, that is what I figured. That it was just some coating to look cool.

Posted by Leo Enticknap (Member # 534) on 10-20-2004, 02:51 PM:

quote: Daryl C. W. O'Shea
Verbatim makes the highest quality removable media on the planet. Period.

In the archive world Mitsui optical media are believed by many to be the most reliable over the long term (of course it could be that by 'highest quality' you had other criteria in mind besides data longevity, in which case the below doesn't apply). This topic comes up regularly on the Society of Archivists and AMIA listservs, and I've yet to hear any substantive rebuttal of the claim that Mitsui discs are formulated specifically with long-term data storage in mind, and therefore are likely to outlast most competitors.

But that having been said, the issue really boils down to the fact that we have no hard independent data when it comes to optical disc media longevity - the same situation as when colour dye fading was discovered in the '70s. It could potentially be useful if a respected and independent organisation such as the Image Permanence Institute systematically Arrhenius tested every brand of DVD-R on the market and published the results (yes, I know that we shouldn't rely too heavily on accelerated aging, but it would be a start).

Posted by Jon Miller (Member # 163) on 10-20-2004, 02:53 PM:

Ironically, those faux-45-looking Verbatims are not so-called "music" CD-Rs for audio CD recorders...they can only be used in computer CD burners. A colleague at work bought several boxes of these discs, only to find the Sony audio CD recorder we got wouldn't accept them.

As silly as the "music" CD-R distinction is (that is, except to the music industry in their desire to collect royalties), Verbatim should have made the vinyl-lookalike CD-Rs compatible with audio CD recorders, increased price and all. Then they would really have had a gimmick... [Roll Eyes]

Posted by David Stambaugh (Member # 1102) on 10-20-2004, 02:58 PM:

They also have DVDs that look like film reels:

Posted by Scott Norwood (Member # 30) on 10-20-2004, 05:16 PM:

The "reel" design reminds me more of a 10" reel of 1/4" audiotape than a film reel.

I usually use Taiyo Yuden CD-Rs (not for long-term storage; that's what tape is for); does anyone have an opinion on how they compare to Mitsumi?

Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 10-20-2004, 05:22 PM:

Verbatim does NOT make the best DVD-R's on the planet. The ones that look like film reels are retarded.

Posted by Phil Hill (Member # 371) on 10-20-2004, 05:33 PM:

I agree, Joe. They do not look like any film format reels nor do they look like any tape format reels, Scott.

They remind me of the wanna-be film & video guys/companies that have NO clue as to ANY of those formats.

quote: That Scott guy!
I usually use Taiyo Yuden CD-Rs... anyone have an opinion on how they compare to Mitsumi?

Yeah... they both suck! [evil]

>>> Phil

Posted by Scott Norwood (Member # 30) on 10-20-2004, 05:44 PM:

Phil--if you double the number of cut-out sections, this reel looks pretty close to the "reel" depicted on the Verbatim product:

(the whole thing wouldn't fit on my scanner; deal)

Posted by Phil Hill (Member # 371) on 10-20-2004, 06:07 PM:

That's cool, Scott. But who's counting "cut-outs"? I'd rather look at the shapes! Hubba Hubba!

Also, a couple of things:

1) Get a bigger scanner.
2) "Grand Master" on the 456 reels has ALWAYS really turned me on...

>>> Phil

Posted by Bruce Hansen (Member # 281) on 10-20-2004, 08:22 PM:

There is very little room to write anything on those Verbatim DVDs. The fake tape is just plain sloppy looking. And yes, I do have some 10 1/2" reels for 1/4" tape that look a lot like those DVDs.

I used some of the "vinyl" CDs to make copies of an oldies compilation CD I put together. I thought that was the perfect use for them.

Posted by Aaron Sisemore (Member # 145) on 10-21-2004, 12:15 AM:

Or, if you can print up your own labels for CD's, maybe these templates might be of some assistance to you. They are way-cool just to look at on their own, and can bring you wayyyy back in some cases [Smile]

You will be asked to enter a password, which is labels

enjoy!

-Aaron

Posted by Jesse Skeen (Member # 586) on 10-21-2004, 12:21 PM:

I wish they'd make blank DVDs with a replica of the old MCA DiscoVision labels printed on them.
I have a friend who swears by Taiyo Yuden (sp?) discs. I like the 2-sided Ritek DVD-Rs, but they have a clear center so there's barely any place to label them.
It'd be cool if those CDRs actually had something recorded in the vinyl grooves that you could play on a turntable, if you could get the tone arm in that far at least!

Posted by Adam Wilbert (Member # 1184) on 10-21-2004, 01:56 PM:

...but if you look closely, there is not just one groove. Its a bunch of concentric circles printed inside each other. Now we find out the real reason behind Brads purchase of a CD printer: to make accurate looking movie reel DVDs!

Posted by Jennifer Pan (Member # 2035) on 11-12-2004, 06:16 PM:

Well, I received some compilation CDs from my cousin and he sent me a couple of the so called "Vinyl" CD-Rs. It is in fact just like any other CD, only on the label side it has the texture like a shiny vinyl album. The underside is just what a regular CD looks like. But I did a quick comparison with a TDK CD-R and the Verbatim seems to be more durable. Also, currently listening to the CDs... just in case I can figure out the difference between it and maybe an actual music CD. The result... couldn't tell much of a difference... since the files were also as .cda. But yeah, I already knew I could not yet compare the two. Only the over time of usage can differentiate that.

Wait..............
Ah ha.... Listening to about 8 songs into it and already its starting to skip. Yay, for Verbatim!

Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 11-12-2004, 06:36 PM:

Skipping usually happens when the CD is burned at an incredibly high speed on low-cost/quality media. When I encounter that, I try playing it in my computer and it usually helps. If not, then I try to copy the raw WAV or AIFF file to my computer and just listen to it from there or burn a new CD.

Posted by Thomas Procyk (Member # 1170) on 11-12-2004, 10:01 PM:

That 20th Century Fox record label from that site (colored one, (c) 1977) is the one that's on my Star Wars 45rpm. Way cool! Thanks for the site (and password) Aaron!! [thumbsup]

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