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Posted by Paul Konen (Member # 41) on 02-08-2005, 10:07 AM:
 
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LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - "Deep Throat," the infamous 1972 adult film that led to a government crackdown on pornography, is being re-released in theaters as a new generation of lawmakers wages a renewed assault on smut, trade paper Daily Variety reported in its Tuesday edition.

The release of the Linda Lovelace opus, which was banned at the time in 23 states, coincides with the premiere of the documentary "Inside Deep Throat," which hits theaters in New York, Los Angeles, San Francisco and Boston on Friday.

The original film, which was made in six days for $25,000 and has grossed over $600 million, will not be ready until at least Feb. 18, the paper said. Las Vegas-based Arrow Prods., which owns the rights to the mob-funded "Deep Throat," started striking 10 prints on Monday, it added. Five of the prints will be edited to garner an "R" rating, which allows admission to children aged under 17 if accompanied by an adult.

The documentary, co-produced by Brian Grazer, the Oscar-winning filmmaker of "A Beautiful Mind," is rated NC-17, which denies admission to anyone aged 17 and under. It is being distributed by Universal Pictures, a unit of General Electric Co. -controlled NBC Universal.

It shows how "Deep Throat" popularized a form of sexual pleasure previously considered taboo. But the Nixon administration was not amused, sending in the FBI (news - web sites) to close down screenings, and taking legal action against the film's director, Jerry Damiano, and stars.

Meanwhile, a bill that would increase fines for smutty broadcasts to $500,000 per incident from $32,500, is wending its way through Congress with bipartisan support, inspired in part by Janet Jackson (news)'s "wardrobe malfunction" at the Super Bowl last year.

I had a Trade screening of "Inside Deep Throat" at my theatre. My staff member said that it showed a few minutes of the original footage during the documentary. (No Pun intended)

My projector called me the next day, it said it wanted a bath because it felt dirty. [Big Grin]

[ 02-12-2005, 03:31 PM: Message edited by: Adam Martin ]
 
Posted by Brent Neal Jones (Member # 1048) on 02-08-2005, 12:05 PM:
 
I've got a 16mm print of this that looks great. I've blown three bulbs trying to watch it and have never got past the first 20min. I'm kinda scared of it now. I think it's jinxing me...does someone want to buy my print? [Wink]
 
Posted by William Uhlhorn (Member # 1923) on 02-08-2005, 12:24 PM:
 
Brent:
Film Guard enema, blowing bulbs, what next?
 
Posted by Brent Neal Jones (Member # 1048) on 02-08-2005, 12:32 PM:
 
I don't know... [sex] [beer] [Big Grin]

However, I was being serious this time....no shit, true story and I WILL sell the print to whoever wants it. It is a complete print. [Wink]
 
Posted by John McConnel (Member # 2000) on 02-08-2005, 12:58 PM:
 
Nixon may have tried to stop the showings of DEEP THROAT, but it's reported that he went to see it six times before resigning the Presidency.

He wanted to make sure he could get it down Pat.
 
Posted by Richard Fowler (Member # 893) on 02-08-2005, 01:52 PM:
 
I drive by every day between home and the office by the location where "Deep Throat" was filmed....a hotel at US1 (Biscayne Blvd) and 128th street...it is now a nursing home.
The blond girl that was in the movie with Linda Deepthroat Lovelace worked in a feature which I was the sound mixer shortly thereafter and swore like a sailor between takes [Roll Eyes] I know several people who retired from the earnings they made showing this film. There was another film prior to this that was named "I Am Curious Yellow" which was a boring film with less than a minute of nudity....the film distributor sent a letter to exhibitors " to allow one more show a day...drop reel #3" [Cool]
 
Posted by Phil Hill (Member # 371) on 02-08-2005, 05:49 PM:
 
Well again the sex police have to dictate and guide what gets "cut" and released! What a bunch of crap!

I wish they would print more uncut versions... I need to replace my fading 35mm 1972 print... [Wink]
 
Posted by Will Kutler (Member # 770) on 02-08-2005, 07:03 PM:
 
Hey....should Phil's print be the star feature at Show West? [Big Grin] [beer] [thumbsup] [sex] [uhoh]
 
Posted by Dan Lyons (Member # 1454) on 02-09-2005, 12:35 AM:
 
Phil,

What on earth are you doing with "that kind" of picture in your home! ? smut! [Razz] Definately not the type of smut I'd expect you to have either. [Wink]
 
Posted by John Walsh (Member # 168) on 02-09-2005, 07:58 AM:
 
Funny to think this was written over 30 years ago...

Smut; by Tom Lehrer

I do have a cause though. It is obscenity. I'm for it. Unfortunately the civil liberties types who are fighting this issue have to fight it owing to the nature of the laws as a matter of freedom of speech and stifling of free expression and so on but we know what's really involved: dirty books are fun. That's all there is to it. But you can't get up in a court and say that I suppose. It's simply a matter of freedom of pleasure, a right which is not guaranteed by the Constitution unfortunately. Anyway, since people seem to be marching for their causes these days I have here a march for mine. It's called...

Smut!
Give me smut and nothing but!
A dirty novel I can't shut,
If it's uncut,
and unsubt- le.

I've never quibbled If it was ribald,
I would devour where others merely nibbled.
As the judge remarked the day that he
acquitted my Aunt Hortense,
"To be smut
It must be ut-
Terly without redeeming social importance."

Por-
Nographic pictures I adore.
Indecent magazines galore,
I like them more If they're hard core.

(Bring on the obscene movies, murals, postcards, neckties,
samplers, stained-glass windows, tattoos, anything!
More, more, I'm still not satisfied!)

Stories of tortures Used by debauchers,
Lurid, licentious, and vile,
Make me smile.
Novels that pander
To my taste for candor
Give me a pleasure sublime.
(Let's face it, I love slime.)

All books can be indecent books
Though recent books are bolder,
For filth (I'm glad to say) is in
the mind of the beholder.
When correctly viewed,
Everything is lewd.
(I could tell you things about Peter Pan,
And the Wizard of Oz, there's a dirty old man!)

I thrill
To any book like Fanny Hill,
And I suppose I always will,
If it is swill
And really fil
thy.

Who needs a hobby like tennis or philately?
I've got a hobby: rereading Lady Chatterley.
But now they're trying to take it all
away from us unless
We take a stand, and hand in hand
we fight for freedom of the press.
In other words,

Smut! (I love it)
Ah, the adventures of a slut.
Oh, I'm a market they can't glut,
I don't know what
Compares with smut.

Hip hip hooray!
Let's hear it for the Supreme Court!
Don't let them take it away!
 
Posted by Gordon McLeod (Member # 33) on 02-09-2005, 10:11 AM:
 
Yes along with polution and poising pidgeons in the park where would the world be without Tom Leher
 
Posted by Eric Hooper (Member # 1730) on 02-09-2005, 11:30 AM:
 
You know,

How can we have so much graphic violence on TV, and the censors don't care about that? I've stopped watching TV because I'm actually offended by most of what's on TV today.

OMG, I'm forced to watch bloody rape and execution style carjacking murders ON A COMMERCIAL for "this Thursday's ER", but Janet's boob falls out and the censors go wild and that's supposed to be indecent, inciting an all out campaign to clean up the airwaves? Oh come on...

Makes me sick thinking about it...
 
Posted by Jeremy Fuentes (Member # 2135) on 02-09-2005, 11:42 AM:
 
When I get sick I usually take medicine, or change the channel.
 
Posted by Phil Hill (Member # 371) on 02-09-2005, 04:09 PM:
 
Hey Danny, thanks for the ...ummmm, kind words...

And besides, you've been here and seen my smut... [Roll Eyes] [Razz] [Eek!]
 
Posted by Bob Maar (Member # 763) on 02-10-2005, 11:09 AM:
 
John,

Tom Lehrer, was one of the great song writers of the 50's and 60's. He was a proffessor at Harvard University.
 
Posted by Gordon McLeod (Member # 33) on 02-10-2005, 11:11 AM:
 
Yes we all learned our periodic table from his version called the elements to Gillbert and Sullivan
 
Posted by Jason Miller (Member # 2341) on 02-11-2005, 03:37 AM:
 
quote: John McConnel
He wanted to make sure he could get it down Pat.
I almost missed that pun. thats hilarious.
 
Posted by Paul Mayer (Member # 355) on 02-11-2005, 07:59 AM:
 
I have several Tom Lehrer CDs but none of them has The Derivative Song, sung to the melody of There'll Be Some Changes Made. I know the lyrics but have never heard it. Would love to find that someday. Oh, and his full orchestral version of Poisoning Pigeons in the Park is an absolute classic.

You take a function of x and you call it y,
Take any x-nought that you care to try,
You make a little change and call it delta x,
The corresponding change in y is what you find nex',
And then you take the quotient and now carefully
Send delta x to zero, and I think you'll see
That what the limit gives us, if our work all checks,
Is what we call dy/dx,
It's just dy/dx.

Used to have a 16mm print of Deep Throat. Ran it at many a debauched party here back in the day.
 
Posted by Phil Hill (Member # 371) on 02-12-2005, 03:10 AM:
 
Gee Whiz, I guess I missed all that when in college... Thank God!

I only remember "ROY G. BIV", "ELI the ICE man", and "Bad Boys Rape Our Young Girls, But Violet Gives Willingly"! HA!
 
Posted by Jeffry L. Johnson (Member # 453) on 02-12-2005, 10:46 AM:
 
"Oh Be A Fine Girl, Kiss Me. Right Now, Quick."
 
Posted by Will Kutler (Member # 770) on 02-12-2005, 02:54 PM:
 
Paul,

Dr. Demento should have a recording of the "Derivative Song". So,inquire.

Derivatives, HOW FUN! The basis of Tech Calc II. And once this class is finished, I'll be able toforget about it, cause chances are I'll never use it in my area of Enginering! [Big Grin] [Wink] [beer] [Eek!]
 
Posted by Mike Pennell (Member # 1692) on 02-12-2005, 03:19 PM:
 
jeffrey, what does the "right now quick" stand for? I thougt M was the coolest a star could be.
 
Posted by Paul Mayer (Member # 355) on 02-12-2005, 04:50 PM:
 
These days since the addition of the new coolest Class L and T dwarf stars, that mnemonic'll probably morph into something like "Oh Be A Fine Girl/Guy Kiss My Lips Tenderly. Right Now Sweetheart." Classes R, N, and S are grouped within Class M. Don't know about Q; it's been years since my last astronomy class.

Here's a site that has some good new ones and is seeking further suggestions: http://www.geocities.com/SummerDale33/Mnemonic.html

Lehrer's The Derivative Song has never been on CD, not even on his latest Dr. Demento co-produced release The Remains of Tom Lehrer on Rhino.

Who was Deep Throat? [Big Grin]
 
Posted by Adam Wilbert (Member # 1184) on 02-12-2005, 09:02 PM:
 
Kinky People Can Often Find Good Sex

(thats my attempt to tie both conversations in this thread into a coherent whole [Smile] )
 
Posted by Jeffry L. Johnson (Member # 453) on 02-12-2005, 09:11 PM:
 
Faulty memory. Sweetie, not Quick.

AST 101: The Great Mnemonic Contest

Who has the soundtrack album to Deep Throat? The version I have on LP is the entire sondtrack of the feature.
 
Posted by Randy Stankey (Member # 64) on 02-12-2005, 11:56 PM:
 
quote: Phil Hill
I only remember "ROY G. BIV"
Since this thread has gone "Animal House", I might as well...

Rubber On Your Gonads Beats Immune Virus.

What can I say... It's a gift. [Big Grin]
 
Posted by Paul Konen (Member # 41) on 02-13-2005, 01:01 AM:
 
Man, I think this is the only place where we can talk about smut and diverge into Dr. Dimento, resistor bands, and star stuff.

Love those fish heads.

(Oh yeah, and mods who change the title to be more fitting [thumbsup] )
 
Posted by Phil Hill (Member # 371) on 02-13-2005, 04:30 PM:
 
Gosh Randy, If you think you have a gift now, putting a rubber on your gonads will insure you get a gift that keeps giving and giving. Perhaps "Gear" would be a better choice. [Wink] [Eek!]

However, when I said ROY G. BIV, I was thinking more along the lines of Red, Orange, Yellow, Green, Blue, Indigo, and Violet. You know, the visable color spectrum. JEEZE! [thumbsup]
 
Posted by Mike Heenan (Member # 392) on 02-13-2005, 04:44 PM:
 
To get this back on topic (I suppose), does this mean that the negative for Deep Throat is in good shape, or are they striking from a dupe or? Be interesting to hear as porno materials surely aren't kept up to snuff like regular films.
 
Posted by Mark Gulbrandsen (Member # 72) on 02-13-2005, 05:24 PM:
 
quote: Mike Heenan
Be interesting to hear as porno materials surely aren't kept up to snuff like regular films.

Mike,

What on earth makes you think that regular films negatives are also taken care of....? I guess you missed the the red tinge and off color in that last Star Wars re-release, or the fact that it often takes the likes of Bob Harris working with many different labs to attempt to get the color back in what were BIG films in their times......
I'm sure that John P. can cite the percentage of films completely lost since 1955.....

Mark

Mark
 
Posted by Mike Heenan (Member # 392) on 02-13-2005, 06:07 PM:
 
[Roll Eyes]

Guess I should have been more specific.
 
Posted by Phil Hill (Member # 371) on 02-13-2005, 06:11 PM:
 
I agree Mark... me thinks Mike has been smokin' some of that I-10 stuff... [Razz]

There are tons of examples of the Hollywood "pencil pushers" letting the original negatives/materials of mainstream films go to hell or outright destroying them cuz of storage costs. Assholes! Them, not me! [Big Grin]

Many films were saved and restored with the help of private collections.
 
Posted by Mike Heenan (Member # 392) on 02-13-2005, 06:25 PM:
 
Aww come on Phil I expected a little support from you! [Wink] But of course my comment wasn't specific so someone jumps on it. But anyways, it would be interesting to hear the state of the negatives of porno stuff or Deep Throat, does anyone know?
 
Posted by Phil Hill (Member # 371) on 02-13-2005, 06:39 PM:
 
Well, Mike as a longtime friend, you know I was just yanking your chain. [Razz]

But I agree, I too would like to know what they are using for striking the new prints.

(I WANT ONE!) HA!

BTW Danny: Don't give me any of that "I can't imagine YOU have that type of smut!" Just because I'm on the other team doesn't mean I don't like to watch the game! [beer] [Razz] [Wink] [Big Grin]
 
Posted by Mike Heenan (Member # 392) on 02-13-2005, 06:59 PM:
 
No problem Phil. [Wink]
 
Posted by Richard Fowler (Member # 893) on 02-13-2005, 08:32 PM:
 
The rights holders are striking ten 35mm prints / 5 hard core + 5 R [Smile] rated....that one will probably run 10 minutes [Big Grin]
 
Posted by Randy Stankey (Member # 64) on 02-13-2005, 10:51 PM:
 
Phil,

I couldn't think of any other "G" word except for "gerkin". That got ruled out early on. I just went with "gonad" because every body would know it.

I COULD have used "Jenkin' Horn" but few people, except for backwards-ass country rednecks from Pennsylvania like me, have ever heard it before... Let alone know what it means!
 
Posted by Paul Linfesty (Member # 214) on 02-13-2005, 10:57 PM:
 
quote: Richard Fowler
5 R rated....that one will probably run 10 minutes
Kinda reminds me of basic cable channel TRIO. They recently ran a one-time episode of "GOOD CLEAN PORN" that featured DEBBIE DOES DALLAS in a half-hour time-slot (complete with commericals).
 
Posted by William Hooper (Member # 71) on 02-14-2005, 01:32 AM:
 
On Old Olympus' Towering Tops, A Finn And German Viewed Some Hops

Old People From Texas Eat Spiders
 
Posted by Paul Mayer (Member # 355) on 02-14-2005, 03:00 AM:
 
Medical stuff eh? Some alternates for William's two:

Oh, Oh, Oh, To Touch And Feel And Grip Vegas' Slot Handles.

Old Pygmies From Thailand Eat Skulls.

From one of my fields: True Virgins Make Dull Company.

Where is Deep Throat these days? [Big Grin]
 
Posted by Paul Linfesty (Member # 214) on 02-24-2005, 02:15 PM:
 
quote:
The original film, which was made in six days for $25,000 and has grossed over $600 million
This oft-repeated figure may be a whopper myth. Here is an article that appeared in today's L.A. Times .

'Deep Throat' Numbers Just Don't Add Up
Michael Hiltzik
Golden State

February 24, 2005

Having come of age in the '70s, I am certainly familiar with "Deep Throat" as a cultural phenomenon: its status as the epitome of "porno chic," the way it made Linda Lovelace a household name, Bob Woodward's appropriation of the title as the code name for his secret Watergate source.

With "Deep Throat" the prodigious profit-making machine, however, I was unfamiliar until recently.

That is, until the publicity pitch for "Inside Deep Throat," a new documentary about the movie, made a pair of remarkable claims: that it is the most profitable picture ever made, and that it has grossed $600 million.

The information came from the distributor of "Inside," General Electric Co.'s NBC Universal, certainly an upstanding company. After a moment's contemplation, though, I knew

what to think of these claims: Baloney.

Leaving aside that "Deep Throat" was financed by mobsters and that therefore any figures are suspect, logic and arithmetic alone are enough to tell you that its box-office gross could not remotely have approached $600 million.

We're talking about a movie that was released in 1972, banned in half the country and generally exhibited in one theater at a time even in the biggest cities, such as New York and Los Angeles.

The average U.S. ticket price in 1972, according to the Motion Picture Assn. of America, was $2.05. By 1980, when the "Deep Throat" phenomenon was way played out, the average was still only $2.69.

For the movie to have made $600 million at the box office, in other words, it would have had to sell tickets to enough customers to populate the entire United States one and a half times over.

The No. 1 mainstream movie of the 1970s, by the way, was "Star Wars." To date, its domestic theatrical gross is $461 million. You want to tell me that "Deep Throat" has sold more tickets than "Star Wars"?

One credulous report in the New York Times recently attributed the lofty gross enjoyed by "Deep Throat" to "videocassette and DVD sales and rentals." Unfortunately, home video players didn't even appear on the market until two years after the movie's release, and didn't become a mass-market device until after 1990. (In 1985, the average price of a home VCR still exceeded $600.)

I've seen references to a videocassette of "Deep Throat" being the "bestselling sex videotape of all time," but hype is hype. Oddly enough, this miraculous product seems to have vanished from the face of the Earth without leaving a trace; you can't even find it on EBay.

Contemporary box-office reports also put the lie to Universal's PR. The most commonly cited estimates of ticket sales when the movie became the focus of a 1976 obscenity trial in Memphis were $30 million to $50 million, nationwide.

In 1981, Pussycat Theaters, an X-rated franchise in Los Angeles that screened the movie for 10 years straight, placed its L.A. gross over that period at $6 million — and that included money attributable to pictures with which it shared a double bill. Are there 100 other cities where "Deep Throat" was shown nonstop for a decade? Is there one?

It should surprise no connoisseur of journalistic indolence to know that the press has accepted the $600-million figure as gospel for years. My newspaper database turned up no fewer than 200 references dating back to 1980. The majority have appeared in recent months, thanks to Universal's publicity machine.

Not a single story attributes the figure to an authoritative source. Indeed, it's always accompanied by weasel words such as "by some accounts," "reportedly," "said to be," etc.

When I queried NBC Universal about all this, I was assured that the documentary makers, Fenton Bailey and Randy Barbato, "are pretty careful about this sort of thing."

The Universal people then e-mailed me what they called a list of "sources" for the $600-million figure. This documentation amounted to references to articles from three newspapers (including the Los Angeles Times), one website and one out-of-print guide to X-rated movies. None of the articles gave any prior reference for their estimates.

Even more curious, two don't even support the $600-million figure; one (The Times) merely quoted someone saying that $100 million would be an "understatement," and another cited a possible range of $300 million to $600 million.

I'm reluctant to criticize NBC Universal for inflating the film's box-office take in its publicity materials. Exaggeration is a natural instinct of movie studios; you can't blame them for doing it any more than you can blame a dog for drinking out of the toilet.

But what about the press?

Have our reporters, editors and critics become so mathematically ignorant that a patently inflated figure like this no longer leaps out and demands authentication? Or have they become so accustomed to hearing the unvarnished truth from Hollywood flacks that they no longer bother to vet what they're told before shoveling it into print?

As it happens, I believe I have tracked the inflated estimate for "Deep Throat" to its first known source. It's Linda Lovelace herself — or rather Linda Boreman, to use the family name she returned to before her accidental death in 2002.

According to Mike McGrady, a former Newsday columnist who co-wrote two autobiographies in which she chronicled a life of abuse by the husband who forced her into the porn business, she gave him the figure and he put it in the books.

But there the well runs dry. "I don't know where she got it," McGrady told me the other day from his home in Washington state. "I think it was something she heard from somebody."
 




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