Film-Tech Forum ARCHIVE: AMC says: "No Charge for Cinderella Man!"

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Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 06-30-2005, 11:47 PM:

AMC says that if you go and see Cinderella Man and don't like it, they'll refund your $$$. Who would go see a movie titled "Cinderella Man" anyway? Could they have picked a worse name?

I saw an in-depth news report on my local news about this tonight. Luckily I just happened to have Final Cut Pro hooked up to the TV to record the news bit for all you to see. Remember, this was recorded off the air with a shoddy antenna. So suck it.

Click here to watch the super detailed news report 4.35MB
Quicktime format - 60 frames per second (can u handle it?)

Of course even if you like the movie, I highly urge you to lie and say you didn't just to get your $$$ back. You need it more than the studio does.

But is it worth going to an AMC theater for a free movie? Tough call.

Posted by Phil Hill (Member # 371) on 07-01-2005, 01:58 AM:

I saw that ad too... what I was wondering was "who" actually refunded the $$$... the theatre (chain) or the studio/producer/distributor/booker?

quote: Joe Redifer
60 frames per second (can u handle it?)

Oh PUHLEEZE Joe! I can do at least 61 FPS on my PC!

Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 07-01-2005, 03:08 AM:

I know your PC can handle it, but the question was if U could handle it (notice the capital "U" for X-Treme emphasis). I bet u can't. 60 fps is just too much for movie-people to handle. They don't know what to do with it.

Posted by Phil Hill (Member # 371) on 07-01-2005, 03:23 AM:

Joe, I can handle ***anything*** you can feed me....

Posted by Mark Lensenmayer (Member # 134) on 07-01-2005, 08:34 AM:

I really don't care that I could see it free. I just don't want to see CINDERELLA MAN. BTW, our local newspaper said that Cinemark was also making the same offer.

If you want to see a GREAT and little known boxing movie, check out THE SET-UP, directed by Robert Wise and starring Robert Ryan. Made in 1949, and a mere 72 minutes long, this is really worth seeking out.

Posted by Jennifer Pan (Member # 2035) on 07-01-2005, 11:15 AM:

Phil, you are my hero. [Big Grin]

60 fps is easy, I can't stand it for a long period of time though. That's way I don't watch very much television. [Eek!]

Posted by David Stambaugh (Member # 1102) on 07-01-2005, 12:08 PM:

Ya know, there's something about the combination of the title "Cinderella Man", and Russell Crowe, that triggers an irrational aversion in me to seeing this film. I don't know what it is. It's gotten great reviews, and I suspect I'd probably like it.

Posted by Ron Yost (Member # 1850) on 07-01-2005, 12:55 PM:

Apparently I got it wrong. I thought I understood from a TV report that NBC/Universal was behind the refund. I should have checked the web first.

It appears AMC did originate the idea of the refund after all.

Post edited by me to remove incorrect info.

Ron Yost

Posted by Jesse Skeen (Member # 586) on 07-01-2005, 01:12 PM:

I'd like to see AMC guarantee your money back if there's anything wrong with the presentation. Of course then they'd be giving back 90% of their money [Wink]

Haven't seen Cinderella Man, but that's got to be the WORST movie title I've heard of in quite a while.

Posted by Tim Reed (Member # 137) on 07-01-2005, 01:44 PM:

quote: Joey Redifer
Quicktime format - 60 frames per second

I thought TV was 30fps.

Posted by Paul Mayer (Member # 355) on 07-01-2005, 04:15 PM:

Yes, in 525/60/2:1 land TV is 30fps (frames) and 60fps (fields).

In 625/50/2:1 lands TV is 25fps/60fps.

TV: Bad radio with pictures. Quicktime doesn't even count as TV. [Smile]

Posted by David Stambaugh (Member # 1102) on 07-01-2005, 04:19 PM:

There's also this:

Posted by Phil Hill (Member # 371) on 07-01-2005, 04:31 PM:

Tim and Paul: I am VERY disappointed in you both. I guess I'll have to send Sister Mary Elephant in to enlighten yous as to what has been going on in NTSC-M land for the last 50+ years.

The frame rate is actually 29.97. [Razz]

quote: Joe Redifer
60 fps is just too much for movie-people to handle.

Ummmmm... Showscan is 60fps FILM. [Moon]

Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 07-01-2005, 06:12 PM:

Yeah and look what happened to it! The film industry could not handle Showscan, so Showscan auditoriums were converted into high caliber 35mm auditoriums in their place.

TV = 60 (or 59.94) independent images per second. Each of those independent images is a frame in my awesome quicktime. Doesn't it make it feel like you're really watching TV, what with the bad reception, 60fps, and compression artifacts?

Posted by Robert Burtcher (Member # 3227) on 07-03-2005, 02:03 AM:

NTSC-M is 29.97 frames per second. The field rate is 59.94 hz. What this means is that each incoming NTSC-M frame is scanned onto the screen twice. If you digitally record at anything higher than 29.97fps, then you're not really getting a better picture, just bloating the size of the file, as you're duplicating each frame.

Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 07-03-2005, 05:26 AM:

quote: Robert Burtcher
If you digitally record at anything higher than 29.97fps, then you're not really getting a better picture, just bloating the size of the file, as you're duplicating each frame.

No I'm not. You know very, very little about NTSC it seems. Download the file. Look at it's info by pressing Apple + i on a Mac, or Control + i on Windows. You'll see that it is indeed 60fps (or 59.94 to be precise). Now go to a part of the Quicktime where something is giving a lot of motion. The first frame of :15 is a good place, as the people are walking in to the theater. Now tap the right arrow on your keyboard to make it advance one frame. Do it again. You'll see that each frame is NOT duplicated or interpolated, but it's own unique image. Count the number of arrow taps to go from the first frame of :15 to the first frame of :16. 60! Amazing, eh? Each NTSC field is its own frame in the Quicktime. Now you know a little somethin' somethin' about NTSC.

Posted by Alexander Smith (Member # 1769) on 07-03-2005, 06:11 AM:

Without wishing to start a "my OS is better than yours" war,
I will say if you aren't keen on having umpteen different
movie players on your PC (Win XP), then VideoLAN plays Joe's
QT file (and many other video formats) with the minimum of
fuss.

Alex.

Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 07-03-2005, 04:19 PM:

Bah! All you need is Windows Media Player and Quicktime. Real Media is, for all intents and purposes, obsolete (and a piss-poor format). I don't know of any other formats other than FLV videos, which play in anyone's web browser that supports Flash.

Posted by Jeremy Fuentes (Member # 2135) on 07-03-2005, 05:48 PM:

Thanks for all the info Joe!! I'll be sure to remember all that when I watch Cinderella Man on my computer. If I am not happy with the movie, or the presentation, I will be sure to call you for a refund. [Wink]

Posted by Brad Miller (Member # 2) on 07-03-2005, 05:51 PM:

Joe doesn't handle the refunds on internet-spread movies. You need to go directly to the MPAA to get a refund if you don't like your bootleg of Cinderella Man.

Posted by Jeremy Fuentes (Member # 2135) on 07-03-2005, 05:57 PM:

Or I could go to my other bootleg supplier....(looking for Phil's number...) [Big Grin]

Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 07-03-2005, 10:49 PM:

Yes, complain to the MPAA about the quality of the pirated video.
-"Too many MPEG artifacts!"
-"People kept getting up and impeding my view, even though I wasn't at a theater"

Posted by Brad Miller (Member # 2) on 07-03-2005, 11:08 PM:

You forgot "those stupid changing numbers blocking part of the picture".

Posted by Phil Hill (Member # 371) on 07-05-2005, 04:17 AM:

quote: Jeremy Fuentes
Or I could go to my other bootleg supplier....(looking for Phil's number...)

I'm sure Jeremy isn't referring to me but some *other* "Phil."

Email me Jeremy and I'll show you what's under that raincoat... hubba hubba! [Wink]