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Posted by Phil Hill (Member # 371) on 10-20-2005, 04:44 PM:
 
From the Los Angeles Times Calendar Feature Section

NIGHT LIFE
The 86-proof solution
It's men's turn to be dissected on their first-date drink orders.
By Brad Dickson
Special to The Times

October 20, 2005

What you drink might indeed give your date an immediate idea about who you
are, and in this space last week female readers enjoyed a primer on what
their companions derive from that first beverage order.

But does a guy's choice of drink leave a similar first impression?

Probably - even if it's not the first impression.

I mean, by the time a dude gets to the all-important drink stage of a first
date, he has been under plenty of scrutiny. So that "instant opinion" she
forms when he orders his drink? It's usually the 353rd opinion she's formed
in 10 minutes. (Including the conclusion drawn when he scratched his nose
three times with his right hand. Ah-ha!)

After consulting some female friends and random mixologists, I submit to you
guys a compendium of popular drinks - and what that woman could be thinking
when you order one:

Beer on tap:
Women told me they think a man who orders a beer is reliable, down-to-earth
and low-maintenance. But he may put his dog - possibly a Labrador mix named
Prince - before them.

Dark beer:
Women were divided - Is he overtly masculine, or is he a guy who's playing
pseudo-sophisticate to the nth degree?

Cosmopolitan:
Shops at Pier One. Women immediately place in the "friend" category.

Martini:
Just blurt it out - "Let me impress you with my suave, metrosexual ways."
Women view this drink as a sign of social skills. On the Westside, this is
particularly effective, since the martini will frequently be ordered with a
faux British accent.

Mike's Hard Lemonade:
A rank amateur. Women check the ID to make sure he's really 21.

Rum and Coke:
Women said "Average Joe," a joiner, a person so nondescript he's a possible
future Supreme Court nominee.

Scotch on the rocks:
Elegant, sophisticated, with manly Old World charm. Either that or he read
the book "999 Ways to Impress Chicks" while working the drive-through
window.

Harvey Wallbanger:
A man's man; the type who goes to football games shirtless with five of his
friends, each with a letter across his torso spelling out their team's
nickname.

Red Bull and vodka:
A bandwagon-jumper who wears a shirt emblazoned in 14-inch "Tommy Hilfiger"
lettering and asks "How about our Angels?" even though he's not certain what
sport they play.

Wine (red or white):
Distinguished and ambitious. Although that vacant staring at the wine list
is viewed as a way of avoiding conversation.

Long Island iced tea:
"My backseat sleeps two comfortably."

Gin and tonic:
Possibly dull, he regales dates with complaints about his failed third
marriage.

Margarita:
"The party didn't even get started till 4:30 in the morning and then we were
still doing Jell-O shooters at 7 p.m. the next day" type.

Tequila:
Women surmise a tequila drinker is a free spirit. Always a chance he could
cancel a future date due to court-ordered attendance at an AA meeting.

Club soda:
First thing a woman thinks is "on the wagon." Second thing she thinks is
"cheap." Best way to determine which is to see if he takes you to Norm's
[an inexpensive Los Angeles restaurant chain] on your second date and then
says it's his birthday so he gets the free sliver of carrot cake.

Zima:
Women think you're the type who will invite them back to your double-wide to
watch the "Dukes of Hazzard" marathon.

- Brad Dickson can be reached at weekend@latimes.com.
 

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Posted by Andy Summers (Member # 3207) on 10-20-2005, 04:49 PM:
 
Phil’

“Robinsons” (summer fruits) is what I drink damn tasty and refreshing, the drink is indispensable.
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Posted by Adam Wilbert (Member # 1184) on 10-20-2005, 07:05 PM:
 
that list didn't say anything about Diet Mello Yellow.
 

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Posted by Paul Mayer (Member # 355) on 10-20-2005, 07:24 PM:
 
My favorites in no particular order:

Dark beer
Margaritas
Rum & coke
Various tequilas
Lawn Guyland iced tea

And some that weren't on that list:

Kahlua and cream
Various sakes, both hot and cold
Shochu

Read into that list whatever you will. I couldn't care less.
 

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Posted by Andy Summers (Member # 3207) on 10-20-2005, 07:53 PM:
 
All right, all right “Baileys” Irish-cream on Ice-cream WOW delicious

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v707/miezerd/Dingetjes/baileys.jpg
 

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Posted by Brian Michael Weidemann (Member # 2243) on 10-20-2005, 08:07 PM:
 
I adore dark beer. Guinness (Draught or Stout brews) is always a good standby drink. However, I am NEITHER overtly masculine nor pseudo-sophisticated. I've just numbed my taste buds over the years that a rich, dark, embittered beer is soothing and tasty. Manly? Hardly.

Both assessments imply the dark beer drinker is trying, in some capacity, to be impressive. If pseudo-sophisticates are trying to "pretend" to be authentically sophisticated, this means that ACTUAL sophisticated people drank dark beer first! So why must a dark beer drinker be necessarily relegated to the designation "pseudo", if they logically can exist in both classes? We learned syllogisms in first year Logic and Philosophy, did we not!?! Oh, wait, this list was assembled from WOMEN'S assessments, and, as we all know, women are rarely, if ever, logical!
 

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Posted by Rachel Gilardi (Member # 1016) on 10-20-2005, 08:19 PM:
 
What about a woman that drinks Rum and Coke? Captain and Coke to be more specific.
 

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Posted by Bobby Henderson (Member # 840) on 10-20-2005, 08:37 PM:
 

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Zima:
Women think you're the type who will invite them back to your double-wide to watch the "Dukes of Hazzard" marathon.

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I thought only under-age girls drank that Zima crap! I don't know about other places, but in my part of Oklahoma a fellow being seen in public with a Zima in his hand would be one way for him to say he's coming out of the closet.

I'm no great, sophisticated drinker. Pretty much just a beer guy. Michelob or Bud Dry is decent for football games. I seem to enjoy lots of different Mexican beer, whether it's Sol, Dos Equis (amber or dark) or Corona. Tecate is even great. One lady warned me, "you'll get mono drinking that." I replied, "don't worry, I've had my shots." Dark beer is great at parties. That's because I drink them more slowly. That allows me to watch everyone else get hammered well before I get drunk. Then the practical jokes and video making can ensue.

Hard drinks are scary. For some reason, I think it's easier to do Tequila shooters than shots of Crown or Makers. But I can't pace myself doing shots or even mixed drinks for that matter. It's a bad deal if a friend has to drive you home and you vomit all over the passenger side of your vehicle. Not the vehicle I own now, but the one I used to have years ago.

 

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Posted by Daryl C. W. O'Shea (Member # 1303) on 10-20-2005, 08:38 PM:
 
Chipper:

Rum and Coke: This is a basic, and fairly safe, drink choice. Someone who likes to have fun but can keep herself in check.

quote: The Far More Important Article

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October 13, 2005

NIGHT LIFE
I'll have a first impression, with a twist
*If there's truth in wine, then what about tequila? Or a Cosmo? To your date, that drink order may speak volumes.

By Nicole Roberge, Special to The Times

The request seems innocent enough: "We should go for a drink sometime," he says. Happy he even asked you, you pretty yourself up. Hair is perfect, just-so-subtle makeup, and of course a great new outfit. Sure, you may have the typical first-date jitters, but that should all be secondary to the one looming danger of first-date drinks: What should you order to drink?

Like it or not, ladies, that initial drink order speaks more to your date than your perfect hair. Though most guys I've talked with agree that it is better to go for drinks first because it helps to loosen things up a bit, they also admit that they make assumptions about their date based on what she orders to drink.

The second you order your drink, he forms an opinion of you. And from that second on, he knows if it's going to be a bad night, a good night or a really good night (see: tequila).

Before you start downing those shots — or gingerly sipping your wine — here are some drinks decoded, so the next time a guy asks you out for a drink you can check your jitters at the bar.

Beer: It doesn't matter what kind you drink, most guys approve and it shows you are laid-back and comfortable in your surroundings, not trying to impress anyone.

But they advise that if it is a first date and you're going for drinks somewhere other than a sports bar, it's probably not the best choice.

Wine (red or white): A bit refined, or at least pretending to be.

Margarita: A fun-loving girl with lots of personality.

Gin and tonic: Guys are split on this one. Some say it signifies a sophisticated woman; others say it is someone looking to get drunk.

Either way, it signals that you may have hit your grandma's liquor cabinet early on. Use sparingly.

Martini: Somewhat classy — or you just like the fun glass.

Cosmopolitan: A bit trendy, and some guys view it as snobby. Also, it shows someone with expensive taste. So if the guy's paying the bill, steer clear of this one, especially if the date's going badly. He doesn't want to have to take out a loan to buy you drinks.

Long Island iced tea: He knows how much alcohol is in it — and that you might end up spending the night feeling very, very ill.

Rum and Coke: This is a basic, and fairly safe, drink choice. Someone who likes to have fun but can keep herself in check.

Whiskey and Coke: Borderline alcoholic. Someone who is a bit sassy, will speak her mind and won't care what anyone thinks.

Vodka cranberry: Someone not familiar with many drinks, but who still likes to have fun and knows that vodka will do the trick without tasting too bad.

Red Bull and vodka: An absolute party girl. Save this one for the club.

Smirnoff Ice/Mike's Hard Lemonade/wine cooler: He probably won't appreciate this drink choice; unless your date is at the 7-Eleven, get a real drink.

Mudslide/white Russian: Any drink with milk in it scares guys.

Sea breeze/Midori sour/amaretto sour: A bit of a good girl. Someone who likes to drink but doesn't like the taste of alcohol.

Tequila: Guys dig a tequila drinker, but some claim "she is a keeper — just for the night though." Avoid at all costs if you don't want to end up seeing his sheets. Otherwise, bottoms up.

Despite the differences in drinks, the message remains the same — he sizes you up by your preference in alcohol.

But don't change your typical drink order to give a different perception of yourself. If your martini and his Bud don't mesh well, then so be it. When you move in together, at least your liquor cabinet will have lots of variety.

Nicole Roberge can be reached at weekend@latimes.com.

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Posted by Andy Summers (Member # 3207) on 10-20-2005, 08:49 PM:
 
Quote-Rachel
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What about a woman that drinks Rum and Coke? Captain and Coke to be more specific.
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I like when a woman says that…
 

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Posted by Bob Maar (Member # 763) on 10-20-2005, 09:18 PM:
 
I am thinking about taking up drinking. Can anyone give me a suggestion on what would be good for me?

Be Honest.
 

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Posted by Daryl C. W. O'Shea (Member # 1303) on 10-20-2005, 09:20 PM:
 
This guy seems pretty cool.
 

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Posted by Bobby Henderson (Member # 840) on 10-20-2005, 09:21 PM:
 
I'm no expert. But stay away from the Listerine and eating baking soda routine.
 

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Posted by Andy Summers (Member # 3207) on 10-20-2005, 09:32 PM:
 
umm sounds like this then…. Not very pleasant, but no more pleasant then "Mr Dolby CP-650" getting it twice a day…no what I mean.
 

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Posted by Paul Mayer (Member # 355) on 10-20-2005, 09:38 PM:
 


To make 'em perfectly dry, just whisper "vermouth" across the glass...
 

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Posted by Andy Summers (Member # 3207) on 10-20-2005, 09:48 PM:
 
Paul’

Perhaps the Film-Tech should include that little additional, Gremlin.
 

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Posted by Brad Miller (Member # 2) on 10-20-2005, 10:17 PM:
 

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umm sounds like this then…. [puke] Not very pleasant, but no more pleasant then "Mr Dolby CP-650" getting it twice a day…no what I mean.

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quote: Bob Maar

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I am thinking about taking up drinking. Can anyone give me a suggestion on what would be good for me?

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Bob, knowing you for many years, I think it would be a Sarsaparilla...
 

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Posted by Andy Summers (Member # 3207) on 10-20-2005, 10:58 PM:
 
Phil’

It’s that bad hay…?

Try a “Black Russian” that will pass you out for the night.

 

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Posted by Mike Blakesley (Member # 26) on 10-21-2005, 01:12 AM:
 
The best drink is the "Screwdriver." You get your vitamin C from the OJ, and the vodka doesn't give you booze-breath.
 

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Posted by Paul Mayer (Member # 355) on 10-21-2005, 01:48 AM:
 
Oh, another favorite, especially when you add a bit of Milk of Magnesia to it.

I just love a good Philips Screwdriver.
 

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Posted by Leo Enticknap (Member # 534) on 10-21-2005, 09:32 AM:
 

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Gin and tonic:
Possibly dull, he regales dates with complaints about his failed third marriage.

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quote: Brad Miller

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Andy, what is this fixation you have on the stolen (and recovered) CP-650s and taking it up the ass?

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quote: Phil Hill

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Beer on tap:
Women told me they think a man who orders a beer is reliable, down-to-earth and low-maintenance. But he may put his dog - possibly a Labrador mix named Prince - before them.

Dark beer:
Women were divided - Is he overtly masculine, or is he a guy who's playing pseudo-sophisticate to the nth degree?

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Most of the beer I drink in the pub is dark and on tap (from keg or cask) so which description applies?
 

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Posted by Will Kutler (Member # 770) on 10-21-2005, 01:38 PM:
 
Rum and Coke....a friend of mine has a little female Cocker-Spaniel (actually his wife and daughter's dog) that it absolutely hooked on the stuff!

About Vodka, check out this web site and look at the "blind" taste-test that was conducted on the tv news show "20-20". I saw that episod and it was quite funny! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vodka

Another halarious "blind" taste-test I saw dealt with teenagers! A large group of teens thought that they would outsmart their parents and have a large party with alcohol present. Anyhow, the parents actually set the kids up and with the aid of school/law officials and alcohol suppliers, replaced the kids beer with non-alcoholic beer. Well, during the party, the kids were getting wild and acting like they were really getting drunk...with the whole thing cought on film! Then the kids were busted, and admitted to being totally smashed! They could not believe it when they were informed that they were in fact sober!

Cheers

K
 

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Posted by Leo Enticknap (Member # 534) on 10-21-2005, 03:15 PM:
 
I think the same syndrome is at work with these 'alcopop' things - teenagers want to get drunk for the (perceived) kudos, but are too young to like the taste of conventional alcoholic drinks. The drinks industry has a lot to answer for over those things, IMHO.
 

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Posted by William Hooper (Member # 71) on 10-24-2005, 02:43 AM:
 
Lighter fluid & soda.
 

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Posted by Will Kutler (Member # 770) on 10-24-2005, 05:47 AM:
 
My favorite....Everclear straight up!
 

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Posted by Wolff King Morrow (Member # 2226) on 10-24-2005, 04:54 PM:
 
I always get a vodka martini. I refuse to drink anything else.
 

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Posted by Mark Ogden (Member # 43) on 10-24-2005, 09:25 PM:
 

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My favorite....Everclear straight up!

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Hey Will, next time you go on a bender, drop by my place. I've got an old Balco 70mm mag head in the garage you could lick clean.
 

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Posted by David Stambaugh (Member # 1102) on 10-24-2005, 09:55 PM:
 
David Letterman called it "That Zima crap" on his show about 18 years ago! Man, did he ever get that one right!

Mirror Pond Pale Ale

Special Occasions: Rum and Coke
 

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Posted by Richard Greco (Member # 2032) on 10-24-2005, 10:42 PM:
 
Where does Guinness Stout fall into...Dark Beer? That's the only beer I drink. Otherwise it's Heineken or Becks for me.
 

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Posted by Adam Martin (Member # 641) on 10-24-2005, 10:50 PM:
 

quote: Richard Greco

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That's the only beer I drink. Otherwise it's Heineken or Becks for me.

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Are you by any chance drunk right now?
 

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Posted by Kyle McEachern (Member # 2250) on 10-24-2005, 11:07 PM:
 
No way, Adam. He *ONLY* ever makes posts when he's sober. But he also posts when he's drunk.
 

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Posted by Will Kutler (Member # 770) on 10-25-2005, 01:16 AM:
 
The thing that REALLY PISSES me off in restraunts is when I order a beer (especially good imported German or English) and the stupid bartender takes the "liberty" of putting unwanted lime in it! I always send it back, requesting a new bottle and telling the waitperson to have the bartender serve it CORRECTLY!

K.

BTW...I'm suprised that any of our ex-Navy members have not mentioned good ole "Torpedo Juice"!

And Phil....maybe this is why I have hair on my chest!
K.
 

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Posted by Brian Michael Weidemann (Member # 2243) on 10-25-2005, 02:33 AM:
 

quote: Richard Greco

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Where does Guinness Stout fall into...Dark Beer?

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quote: Will Kutler

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And Phil....maybe this is why I have hair on my chest!

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Well Will, the *LEAST* you could do is get some hair dye and get rid of that gray.
 

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Posted by Andy Muirhead (Member # 712) on 10-25-2005, 07:41 PM:
 
[QUOTE] Guinness Stout is a damn fine beer, though.
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Guinness is nice, although a bit heavy after a few. Just out of interest I hope it is served properly where you are? After working in a bar in Ireland, there is as much pride in 'Guinness done right' as there is in 'Film done right'!

For the record, I drink Stella Artois, reassuringly expensive.
 

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Posted by Brian Michael Weidemann (Member # 2243) on 10-25-2005, 07:54 PM:
 

quote: Andy Muirhead

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'Guinness done right'

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I do not doubt that! I have known for quite a while that I'll have NO way of knowing until I actually take a trip to Ireland and taste it for myself, whether or not it's served properly. And until then, I must go on "knowing" that it's served wrong. After all, the only way I can get the Stout is in a bottle. And I have a strong feeling that the Draught is served much more chilled than it should be, and in a frosted glass, too, for that matter (in some places, anyway). Guinness Done Wrong, I'm sure.
 

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Posted by Mark Hajducki (Member # 1732) on 10-26-2005, 08:46 AM:
 

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And I have a strong feeling that the Draught is served much more chilled than it should be, and in a frosted glass, too, for that matter (in some places, anyway). Guinness Done Wrong,

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Pioneered in 1998, our smoother, colder GUINNESS® Draught Extra Cold is the coolest thing on the bar. Experience the same powerful surge and settle that gives GUINNESS® Draught beer its uniqueness… in a crisper, colder form.

Using the same classic recipe as GUINNESS® Draught, GUINNESS® Draught Extra Cold passes through our Coldflow supercooler en route to the bar. The result is a GUINNESS® Draught that’s served 3°C cooler. With an initial malt and caramel flavour, cooler GUINNESS® Draught Extra Cold finishes with less bitterness than classic GUINNESS® Draught beer. Chilly, isn’t it?
3.5°C of Preparation

GUINNESS® Draught Extra Cold is best served at around 3.5°C (38.3°F) - that’s 2.5°C (4.5°F) or so colder than GUINNESS® Draught. Like its traditional sibling, it’s served with the legendary two-part pour. First, tilt the glass to 45 degrees and carefully pour until three quarters full. When settled, fill the glass to the brim.

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quote: Richard Greco

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Where does Guinness Stout fall into...Dark Beer?

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quote: Gordon McLeod

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I believe that stout is typically an ale where as beer is usually a lager

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quote: Mark Hajducki

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Stout, ale and larger are all types of beer

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Stout, ale, lager, beer, and even larger, are all types of liquids.
 

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Posted by Brian Michael Weidemann (Member # 2243) on 10-27-2005, 04:19 AM:
 


Cheers!
 

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Posted by Andy Muirhead (Member # 712) on 10-27-2005, 07:38 PM:
 
Aww Brian, the saddest pint of Guinness I ever saw! Guiness done very badly indeed, although in your favour I guess that probably came from a can. Looks very flat. Should have at least a decent head on it.

Anytime you are in Donegal, I'll get you a perfect Guinness on the house. It's all about the serving, my own particular style - "you. what?". Then pour 3/4 of the pint and rest to settle for a couple of minutes, which is ample time to interrogate the customer about their life story, then top up the pint with a perfect 3/4" head. Good things come to those who wait you know.
 

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Posted by Brian Michael Weidemann (Member # 2243) on 10-27-2005, 08:34 PM:
 
Well, yes, I admit that was from a can. But I had already consumed a few good gulps, sucking away the initial head. And it settled a little from there. I can guarantee it was at least CLOSER to proper before I took the swigs.

And, yes, a well poured beer is worth waiting for. Our local "Irish" pub, Skosh Monahan's, which is a great little place in most respects, unfortunately, has a staff who consistently butchers the Guinness head. I once got a full 2 inches. It was sent back and came back with 1.5 inches. Now THAT'S Guinness Done Wrong.
 

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Posted by Paul Mayer (Member # 355) on 10-27-2005, 10:45 PM:
 
Now I'm confused. I always thought that Guinness shouldn't have much of a head. My local pub (the Crown & Anchor) pours it very slowly, either trickling it down the side of the glass, or over an upside down spoon placed across the top of the glass. Either way results in very little head, much like Brian's photo. I take it this is not the way to serve Guinness?

Temperature wise, the C&A serves it on the cold side, way too cold for me. I have them pour it into a glass fresh out of the dishwasher. The combination of hot glass and too cold stout produces a cellar-like cool temperature, which is the way I thought Guinness is supposed to be served. To me, when it's too cold Guinness has a very sharp edge to its bitterness, whereas when it's cool it is still bitter but creamy smooth. Am I off-base here?

Nonetheless, cheers!
 

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Posted by Andy Muirhead (Member # 712) on 10-28-2005, 06:59 PM:
 
From the Guinness website:

"GUINNESS Draught is best served at 6°C (that’s 42.8°F), with the legendary two-part pour. First, tilt the glass to 45 degrees and carefully pour until three quarters full. Then place the glass on the bar counter and leave to settle. Once the surge has settled, fill the glass to the brim. It takes about 119.5 seconds to pour the perfect pint."

It should have a decent head (about an inch or 3/4"), which should stay while you drink, and leave rings all the way down the glass after each gulp. Some barmen will forge a shamrock in the top of the head in the last topping up. Legend has it that if the shamrock is still there when you finish the pint, it was a good pint!

I dont drink the stuff though.
 

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Posted by Brian Michael Weidemann (Member # 2243) on 10-29-2005, 02:49 AM:
 
Oh, you're not supposed to drink the head away? I guess I failed, and Irishmen everywhere are laughing at my naïveté. The shamrock thing sounds like a great trick to pull off, for that extra touch!
 

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Posted by Andy Muirhead (Member # 712) on 10-29-2005, 06:42 PM:
 
Ah Brian, These things don't really matter anyway. It's all a bit pedantic anyay - As long as you enjoy your pint, It makes no difference whether it was poured correctly, has a THX, sorry Guinness certified head or was lovingly poured by shamrock wearing leprechauns with green hats.

Enjoy your pint That's ALWAYS Guinness done right!
 

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Posted by Joshua Waaland (Member # 287) on 10-30-2005, 07:24 PM:
 
I went to a Christmas party once that was thrown by a vendor to the company my wife worked for. It was at a snooty restaurant and being a working class guy my whole life, I felt a bit uneasy in this business setting where everyone was drinking expensive snooty drinks. Then one of my wife's co-workers walked in with her husband who works as a construction foreman and he ordered a beer. When the bartender asked if he wanted a glass, he refused. He then turned around, leaned up against the bar and proceeded to drink his beer from the bottle. That was freakin awesome! I envy people like him who can walk into any situation with any type of people and be true to himself and not feel pressure to act like someone he isn't and not care what anyone else thinks. Especially when his wife is all about appearances and I am sure she pressures him to act likewise. He made my night.
 

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