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Posted by Aaron Garman (Member # 1653) on 06-02-2006, 01:46 PM:

Hello all. I just purchased a double sided, said to be original poster for Jurassic Park. The one I bought has the "Opens June 11th" line in red, a Dolby SR logo, and a DTS logo that looks much like the modern logo. I have, however, seen these posters with the "Digital Experience" DTS logo, but no release date. Anyone know anything about these posters? Either way, I love this poster, as it is my favorite movie. [Smile]

AJG

Posted by Bobby Henderson (Member # 840) on 06-02-2006, 06:23 PM:

"The Digital Experience" print version logo for DTS wasn't used on movie posters until just after Jurassic Park was released. The movie posters and other ads printed before the release of Jurassic Park used the normal DTS logo (if it was used at all).

While the Digital Experience logo was cool, it was often mangled and altered in very ugly ways. The changes were made to try to make the logo print in a more readable fashion at smaller sizes. Universal shifted back to using the normal DTS logo in 1995, but even then started jacking around with the Optima lettering above and below the logo. A decade later, we typically see the DTS logo as nothing more than Letraset Dolmen-based letters in a box and nothing else. Very simple. And much more legible.

The DVD release of Jurassic Park uses a later re-issue release credit roll. The sound format logos on the end titles are different from the original release. The Digital Experience logo is one of those butt ugly alterations rather than the normal arrangement we're most familiar with on the flying disc trailer. And that awful Dolby "Tri" logo is thrown in as well, along with the anger-inspiring "verify theatre format" tagline underneath it. The original JP prints had a normal looking Digital Experience logo and a normal Dolby Stereo Spectral Recording logo. Combine that bad credit roll along with the extremely strange choice of using the boring DTS sonic landscape "piano" trailer. At least Univeral went back and fixed the non-existent bass problem on the DTS version of the DVD.

Posted by Mark J. Marshall (Member # 1409) on 06-02-2006, 10:06 PM:

This thread is timely. I just hung a Jurassic Park poster in our theater, and noticed the Dolby SR logo. I thought Jurassic Park wasn't Dolby anything, but was credited as "DTS Stereo" - which was basically Dolby A.

Posted by Mike Blakesley (Member # 26) on 06-02-2006, 11:08 PM:

About those sound logos. I hate the way they say "In Selected Theatres" under the logo. As if Dolby or DTS decides who gets digital sound. It ought to say "in better theatres."

Posted by Michael Coate (Member # 757) on 06-02-2006, 11:33 PM:

The optical track was Dolby for "Jurassic Park," as was the first few DTS releases. It wasn't until a few months in that Universal started using the DTS brand ("DTS Stereo") for the SVA optical track.

Posted by Bobby Henderson (Member # 840) on 06-02-2006, 11:50 PM:

If I remember correctly, Schindler's List was the first Universal release not to use Dolby noise reduction on the optical track (at least since they started using versions of Dolby NR on any regular basis). It definitely didn't use Dolby SR or Dolby anything. The Digital Experience logo was the only thing credited - at least that comes from a quick glance of my copy of the original motion picture soundtrack CD.

Jurassic Park definitely used Dolby SR on its optical tracks.

Still, they wrongfully jacked around with the sound format logos on later print releases. And it was just flat out wrong to have the piano DTS trailer put on the DVD. I get the flying disc trailer on American Beauty but the piano thingie on the one with the T-Rex versus Ford Explorer attack scene? Yeesh!

Posted by Brad Miller (Member # 2) on 06-03-2006, 12:54 AM:

quote: Bobby Henderson
Jurassic Park definitely used Dolby SR on its optical tracks.

NOPE! Jurassic Park 35mm prints were Dolby A.

Posted by Bobby Henderson (Member # 840) on 06-03-2006, 11:19 AM:

Really? But I remember seeing the Dolby SR logo on the end titles. Another ads that confuse thing?

Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 06-03-2006, 11:44 AM:

I'm 99.9999999% sure that the majority of early DTS mvies were Dolby A. The other .0000001% is because I have not run every DTS movie. I know it was a long time before I saw a DTS print with SR on it. I do remember some of the DTS movies had some non-DTS prints and maybe they had SR.

I think DTS's logic was that if it dropped out of digital for any reason that you'd notice a larger difference between it and A-type than SR, thus making DTS sound like a better technical upgrade to dipshit audiences. Of course back then it was probably a lot cheaper to go with A-Type as well.

Posted by Frank Angel (Member # 248) on 06-03-2006, 11:59 AM:

Well, if that was their thinking, why not use no NR at all? In fact, let it drop to mono, then they wouldn't have to pay ANY Dolby royalty, which I understand is quite hefty....hefty enough, in fact, when Turner owned the MGM library and struck new 35mm prints of 2001, they didn't add thr Dolby logo anywhere.

Posted by Mark J. Marshall (Member # 1409) on 06-03-2006, 01:33 PM:

quote: Brad Miller
Jurassic Park 35mm prints were Dolby A.

Thought so. The one I handled recently was definitely Dolby A, but I wasn't sure if there was a dual inventory on that movie or not. I didn't think that there would be. So I guess the poster is wrong.

Posted by Brad Miller (Member # 2) on 06-03-2006, 03:43 PM:

Yup, the poster is wrong. I might also add that the A track on those prints was absolutely godawful. (The theory/guess was to make the dts comparison sound *that* much better.)

Posted by Aaron Garman (Member # 1653) on 06-03-2006, 05:35 PM:

quote:
And it was just flat out wrong to have the piano DTS trailer put on the DVD. I get the flying disc trailer on American Beauty but the piano thingie on the one with the T-Rex versus Ford Explorer attack scene? Yeesh!

That's why I love my DTS Laserdisc!

AJG

Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 06-03-2006, 06:14 PM:

But you must ask yourself if it is worth the tradeoff of having super-shitty LaserDisc video as opposed to only semi-shitty DVD video.

Posted by Aaron Garman (Member # 1653) on 06-05-2006, 11:37 AM:

Super shitty as compared to film, yes. Not shitty at all compared to my old VHS and the just ok DVD. On my 27" Trinitron, that DTS laser holds up well and proves to be much more engaging to watch than any DVD version. If I had anything much bigger, or some HD set with terrible up conversion, I'd say yeah, shitty! Laser was designed for analog NTSC, and in that capacity, it's not bad.

AJG

Posted by Bobby Henderson (Member # 840) on 06-05-2006, 06:26 PM:

The "fixed" DTS version of the DVD is pretty good. I just wish the bitrate was 1509kbs rather than the 754kbs "diet dts" stuff.

Maybe we'll see something more potent on the HD-DVD or Blu-Ray front. That issue won't matter to me all that much since it will probably be another year before I finally make the plunge into the HDTV thing ('cuz most of the current product suck too much ass).

Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 06-05-2006, 08:06 PM:

What is the bitrate of LaserDisc DTS? I know it is the same bitrate as standard CD audio, but what is that? I forget. Something around 1440?

Did any LaserDisc ever have both Dolby Digital and DTS on the same disc (and a mono analog track)? They could totally do it. Totally. Dude.

Posted by Bobby Henderson (Member # 840) on 06-06-2006, 07:29 AM:

The bitrate for DTS music CDs and audio tracks on Laserdiscs is 1234.8 kilobits per second. The bitrate is a tad bit lower than the normal 1.4Mb/s level of LPCM 2.0. Something about that slight lowering of the bitrate would lessen the chance of speaker damage if someone tried to play a DTS music CD on a stereo system not equipped with a DTS decoder.

I don't know if any Laserdiscs were ever produced with both a DTS and DD track. I have some strong doubts. I've only seen LDs with one format or the other. The DTS track took up the LPCM digital space and the DD track took up one of the analog channels. For backward compatibility someone without any surround sound decoder would be stuck listening to such a disc in mono.

Posted by Tim Reed (Member # 137) on 06-06-2006, 08:39 AM:

quote: Frank Angel
then they wouldn't have to pay ANY Dolby royalty, which I understand is quite hefty.

This is THE reason I can't use the Dolby SR logo in my Showbiz Clock trailer, or in advertising, even though the track is SR.

Btw, thanks, Bobby, for all the good info on the fonts and design of the various logos. I, for one, really do appreciate knowing that stuff. [thumbsup]

Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 06-06-2006, 05:55 PM:

quote: Bobby Henderson
For backward compatibility someone without any surround sound decoder would be stuck listening to such a disc in mono.

They can burn in hell!

Posted by Bobby Henderson (Member # 840) on 06-06-2006, 10:28 PM:

Well, that would make sense with the date being "06-06-06".