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Posted by Paul Mayer (Member # 355) on 06-13-2006, 10:19 PM:
 
Been a while since we've had a beer thread around here. As for the research noted below, all I can say is, "I'll drink to that."

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17 beers a day keep prostate cancer away
Theoretically, anyway, especially when taken with pizza with tomato sauce

PORTLAND, Ore. - For many men, a finding by Oregon researchers sounds too good to be true: An ingredient in beer seems to help prevent prostate cancer, at least in lab experiments.

The trouble is you'd theoretically have to drink about 17 beers a day for any potential benefit. And no one's advising that.

Researchers at Oregon State University say that the compound xanthohumol, found in hops, inhibits a protein in the cells along the surface of the prostate gland. The protein acts like a switch that turns on a variety cancers, including prostate cancer.
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Dr. Richard N. Atkins, CEO of the National Prostate Cancer Coalition, said the experiments are encouraging and "perhaps men could take it in pill form someday."

He noted that lycopene, an ingredient in tomatoes, and thus also in tomato sauce, has previously been linked to prostate cancer prevention.

"It's every man's dream to hear that beer and pizza can prevent cancer," he said. "However, the 17 beers and four large pizzas needed to get enough xanthohumol and lycopene to help prevent prostate cancer is unfortunately not advised."

Atkins noted that drinking 17 beers a day can lead to alcoholism and cirrhosis of the liver, and overdoing it on pizza can lead to obesity and other health problems.

"Food, no matter how helpful it may be, is not a full preventive for prostate cancer," he said.

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Posted by Randy Stankey (Member # 64) on 06-13-2006, 11:04 PM:
 
Didn't we already know this from watching that Woody Allen movie, years ago?
 

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Posted by Bobby Henderson (Member # 840) on 06-13-2006, 11:56 PM:
 
I thought having sex or at least jerking off on a regular basis did a good job of preventing prostate cancer.


I do drink a pretty good amount of beer.

Got pretty smashed Friday night. Had 3 or 4 tall mugs of Shiner Bock. Then for some stupid reason I had just as tall a mug of Chimay. That much of that premium beer cost me $15 -and a hangover for much of Saturday. But, hey, if it did my prostate some good then there you go!


My liver probably hates my guts. But the feeling is mutual. That damned think keeps trying to jack up my cholesterol level no matter what I do. Maybe I just need to pickle that fucker.
 

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Posted by Robert Burtcher (Member # 3227) on 06-14-2006, 01:21 AM:
 
Prostate stimulation from the rear is also a good way to prevent prostate cancer, according to some studies.

But, of course, that method doesn't appeal to everyone.
 

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Posted by Bruce Hansen (Member # 281) on 06-14-2006, 06:06 PM:
 
X 17

As said above, I'll drink to that.
 

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Posted by Brian Michael Weidemann (Member # 2243) on 06-14-2006, 06:25 PM:
 

quote: Bobby Henderson

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a mug of Chimay.

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A fine, fine Belgian beverage! But, yeah, expensive.

I've never managed to make it past beer 14 in a single session, but if I were to try over the course of a whole day, I'm sure that 17 wouldn't pose much of a problem. Make it something thick and dark ... I've been into Sam Adams' Black Lager recently. Mmm ... tasty!

Oh, and here's the obligatory " ".
 

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Posted by Jon Miller (Member # 163) on 06-14-2006, 07:37 PM:
 
Too bad they don't mention what brand or style of beer has the greated concentration of that substance purported to promote prostate health. Even though one case of Bud, Miller, or Coors may have less of that magic compound than one bottle of a good IPA, Joe Sixpack will think he's getting some benefit from his boring, bland brew. It's the details that matter...

(Drinking a Stone Pale Ale as I write this. )
 

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Posted by Bobby Henderson (Member # 840) on 06-14-2006, 10:59 PM:
 
It's not too difficult to make it past 14 or even 17 beers in a single day in Oklahoma -provided you're drinking the weak-ass domestic stuff deliberately watered down to 3.2% strength. One might as well just drink water.
 

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Posted by Richard Hamilton (Member # 321) on 06-15-2006, 06:25 AM:
 

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deliberately watered down to 3.2%

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While all those surveys and such can be ridiculous, I feel lots of people use the ridiculous nature of some of those surveys as one means to justify doing bad things to themselves.

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Which is surely another argument against taking them too seriously or publicising them much outside medical circles. Another one of these stories I read reported that when a study was done which suggested that circumcised men were less likely to transmit HIV, the health authorities in some African country took it to heart and encouraged as much of its male population as possible to have the snip. The result was that HIV infection rates quadrupled within a year, because an urban legend quickly became established that circumcised men could sleep with as many people as they liked without any risk.

As far as I can tell, the diet thing is a matter of basic common sense, not wacko theories or dodgy medicines. Make it roughly balanced, but if you've got a specific problem or issue (for example, I'm allergic to saturated dairy fat - eating anything with butter or cheese in it puts me at risk of anaphylactic shock, hence I eat all the grapefruits to make up the calcium deficiency caused by cutting dairy out of my diet), try and work round it.
 

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Posted by Randy Stankey (Member # 64) on 06-15-2006, 04:38 PM:
 
I remember a story about 3-4 years ago where an old English woman lived to be 114 years old. When asked what she attributed her health and longevity to, she replied, "I drink three pints of Guinness every day!"


 

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Posted by Bruce Hansen (Member # 281) on 06-15-2006, 08:54 PM:
 
In a number of areas in America there is no longer enough water to go around, due to unchecked growth. Could this be the answer? Just drink beer instead.
 

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Posted by Dieter Depypere (Member # 3184) on 06-16-2006, 09:57 AM:
 
Who gets paid for researching that?
 

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Posted by Phil Hill (Member # 371) on 06-16-2006, 07:29 PM:
 
For me, I like and follow the method as described in the film "There's Something About Mary". Ya gotta keep those pipes clear!

For all you beer "EXPERTS": The Truth about Beer

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ALCOHOL CONTENT IN BEER

There is total confusion among the general populace in relation to the alcohol content in beer. Following is a brief discussion, attempting to clarify some of the confusion.

In the U.S. the alcohol content of beer is frequently indicated by weight while wine is usually indicated by volume. The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (BATF) uses the weight measurement, and we often hear about 3.2 beer which is by weight, which equates to approximately 4% by volume.*

As a guideline, typical American beers (lagers) are generally 3.6 to 3.8% by weight (approx. 4.5 to 4.7 by volume), although, as mentioned, some states mandate a 3.2 beer by weight (4% by volume). A "light" beer, on the other hand, is between 2.3 and 3.2% by weight (2.8 - 4% by volume).

In California any beer over 3.99% alcohol by weight may not be called "beer," but must be called "Malt Liquor, Ale, Stout or Porter." (All beers are brewed from malt, and hence this distinction is simply a matter of alcohol content.)

According to the beer expert Michael Jackson (I've never heard him sing), most American malt liquors are not necessarily the finest quality beers, but rather those produced quickly to emphasize the alcohol content, and to produce a "kick," although in some states it is watered down. Utah, for example mandates a malt liquor as 3.2 by weight (4% by volume).

From here on, the percentage stated will be "by weight" with the "by volume" in parentheses unless otherwise stated.

Since the terms lager, ale and stout do not use the word "beer," their alcohol content is initially impossible to estimate.** However, the shocker is that many British lagers are only 2.6 -3.2 (3.2 - 3.9% by volume), and British bitters, porters, and stouts are generally 2.8 - 3.2 (3.5 - 4% by volume) while British premium lagers and British special bitters are 3.2 - 3.9. No wonder Britain is noted for its phenominal consumption of beer; at that strength one can consume a good many "pints" in a social atmosphere without being totally inebriated.

The myths of German-Austrian beers are equally as shocking. Many German beers are classified as "malt liquor" as they generally range from 4% (approx. 5% alcohol by volume). But a typical "Vollbier" (full beer) is between 3.5 and 4.5%; consequently either a "beer," or a "malt liquor." An example is the Austrian Zipfer Vollbier which is 4.1% (5.2% by volume). Here we should attempt to refer to north vs. south German styles. The north-Germans state emphatically that south-German, for example Munich, beers are much weaker. A normal Munich "Helles" (lager) is 3.5 - 3.9%, while a Cologne "Kölsch," Düsseldorfer "Alt," and a Dortmunder is between 3.5 and 4%. However, the south-German Märzen (Oktoberfest beer) is 4.4 - 4.6 by weight (5.5 - 5.7 by volume) , and a "Fastenbier" (lenten beer) such as Optimator (or any beer name ending in "ator") is 5.4 - 7 (6.8 - 8.75 by volume), not to mention the notorious Swiss Samichlaus (14.9% by volume). Not a fair example, but the famous Berliner Weissbier is 2 - 3.2.% (2.5 - 4% by volume), weak but with a touch of syrup, refreshing on a warm summer day in Berlin.

In summary, any imported "malt liquor" is fairly potent, over 4%. However, if an import uses the word "beer" anywhere on its label, then it is not as potent, i.e.: under 4%, and it is in the category, alcohol -wise, of an American beer (lager) But beware the terminology "lager," "ale," stout," etc. While, as noted, many are also low in alcohol content, they may be potent since they do not use the terminology "beer," and hence do not have to be called a "malt liquor." As an example, U.S. premium ales and premium pale ales are generally 4.25 - 4.5% (5.3 - 5.6 by volume), and some export Stouts can be 4.4 - 5.9% (5.5 - 7.4 by volume).

Belgium ales, and lambics, which have gained considerable attention recently should also be briefly considered. Corsendonk Monk's Brown and Pale ale have an alcohol content between 5.9 and 6.11 (7.5 and 7.8% by volume) while a Liefmans Kriekbier is 6.22 (7.93 by volume).

Bavarian-Austrian Weizenbiere form the other significant latest "craze," and, for example, Edelweiss (Kristallklar, Hefetrüb, and Dunkel) have been analyzed by BATF to have an alcohol content of 4.2% (5.24 by volume). The brewery in Kaltenhausen analyzed Edelweiss as approximately 5.4% by volume. However, the official certification from the Brau A.G. for Edelweiss lists Edelweiss Hefetrüb, and Edelweiss Kristallklar at 5.74%, and Edelweiss Dunkel at 5.87% alcohol by volume.***

If you are in the mood to digest some of these figures, then you will have a general guideline to alcohol content in beer, possibly better than the analogy, a shot, a glass of wine, and a beer are the same in alcohol. However, considering our concern with drinking and driving, would it not be responsible to be allowed to include the alcohol content on each bottle of beer, malt liquor, ale, stout and lager, and drink intelligently?

*The percentages of alcohol were taken from Michael Jackson's World Guide to Beer, Exeter Books, New York,1984.

**To help with the terminolgy lager and ale, a lager is bottom-fermented as a south-German "Helles," while an ale is top-fermented, simply a different brewing process.

*** Such analyses can vary slightly with each batch of beer, and hence are only a approximate statement of alcohol content. However, this official certification, signed and stamped must be considered as valid.

A few examples of the alcohol content by volume in German beers as verified by PA in Berlin - hard day's work!

Beck's - 4.7%; Warsteiner - 4.8%; Jever - 4.9%; Gleumes - 4.9%;
Schultheiss - 5 %; Berliner Kindl - 5.1%; Zipfer - 5.2%.

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Posted by Bobby Henderson (Member # 840) on 06-16-2006, 11:21 PM:
 
Basically, that means some folks I know who drive south of the Red River for "6 point beer" are wasting their time.

The 3.2 domestic stuff in Oklahoma is still pretty weak. Just drive to a liquor store and look for bottles with the "OK+" label on it. Gotta be there before 9:00pm.

 

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Posted by Phil Hill (Member # 371) on 06-17-2006, 03:50 AM:
 
Bobby, I haven't seen 6.0 beer in 20 years. Me thinks it's the major brewers doubling their profits by watering down their product to 3-ish.
 

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Posted by Frank Angel (Member # 248) on 06-24-2006, 12:37 AM:
 
Quite recently I did hear a report about masturbation being a very good way to keep the prostate healthy. Seems like exercising for good health takes on a whole new meaning....do it long and do it often!

So downing 17 beers and wacking the pump pole is good for prostate health?

But here's the thing.....I am not a drinker and I really don't like beer, but I do like, uh.... OK, so how's this...how bout drinking one beer and wankin 17 times?

...then there's that "thumbs up" thing.

And as Brian says: I've never managed to make it past....14 in a single session, but if I were to try over the course of a whole day, I'm sure that 17 wouldn't pose much of a problem. Agreed. But then again, I'm Italian.
 

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Posted by Ron Curran (Member # 3631) on 06-24-2006, 12:45 AM:
 
Can you do it in your sleep? The drinking, I mean Frank?

I'm afraid I have trouble staying awake after 4. Beers, that is.
 

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