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Posted by Chris Hipp (Member # 1788) on 11-22-2006, 02:30 PM:
 
Youtube

I don't think he did anything wrong. If a righteous white man were causing a scene at the Apollo then there would have been the exact same reaction. Of course noone would even bat an eyelash at it.

Why should we go out of our way to spare the blacks' feelings? He didn't do anything that black comedians don't do every single time they get on stage. That is true racism, not saying that I am black and I hate you because you are white, or vise versa, but saying that I am black so I deserve to be treated better than you.

Everyone, white, black, mexican, gay, straight, whatever, should have the right to hate anyone that they choose.
 

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Posted by David Stambaugh (Member # 1102) on 11-22-2006, 03:04 PM:
 
The 2 black guys were on the Today show this morning giving their side of the story. They claim they were part of a group of about 15 (mixed race: white, black, asian) that entered the club kind of late and were probably making a little noise while ordering drinks. Richards was on stage at the time. They admitted yelling out "You're not funny, and you've been a failure at everything you've tried since Seinfeld" (claims that are true, but I digress). That's when Richards started. First thing he said was "Tomorrow when I wake up I'll still be rich and famous. You will still be a (n-word)".

There's more to the exchange than what is seen in the video.

In a bizarre twist, the black guys have apparently hired Gloria Allred to "represent" them (whatever that turns out to mean).

Anyway the only real harm done is to Michael Richards' career.
 

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Posted by Mike Heenan (Member # 392) on 11-22-2006, 03:18 PM:
 
What career?
 

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Posted by Fred Georges (Member # 505) on 11-22-2006, 03:44 PM:
 
Michael Richards & Daniel Carver = KU KLUX KRAMER!
 

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Posted by Chris Hipp (Member # 1788) on 11-22-2006, 04:09 PM:
 

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"Tomorrow when I wake up I'll still be rich and famous. You will still be a nigger".

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quote: Chris Hipp

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Everyone, white, black, mexican, gay, straight, whatever, should have the right to hate anyone that they choose.

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Chris, that's hilarious...and soooo true! I must add it to my "Quotable Quotes" file!
 

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Posted by Matthew Peters (Member # 1495) on 11-22-2006, 07:05 PM:
 

quote: David Stambaugh

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First thing he said was "Tomorrow when I wake up I'll still be rich and famous. You will still be a (n-word)".

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Is the word "nigger" so offensive in your culture that you guys call it the "n-word"?
 

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Posted by Louis Bornwasser (Member # 3063) on 11-22-2006, 07:08 PM:
 
I had sincerely hoped that, after 911....a real problem, that this kind of political correctness would disappear.

Words are NOT like bullets......bullets work! Louis
 

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Posted by David Stambaugh (Member # 1102) on 11-22-2006, 07:13 PM:
 
In the televised interview, everyone used "n-word" in place of "nigger".

Quoting dictionary.com on the word "nigger":

Usage note: The term nigger is now probably the most offensive word in English. Its degree of offensiveness has increased markedly in recent years, although it has been used in a derogatory manner since at least the Revolutionary War. Definitions 1a, 1b, and 2 represent meanings that are deeply disparaging and are used when the speaker deliberately wishes to cause great offense. Definition 1a, however, is sometimes used among African-Americans in a neutral or familiar way. Definition 3 is not normally considered disparaging—as in “The Irish are the niggers of Europe” from Roddy Doyle's The Commitments—but the other uses are considered contemptuous and hostile.

–noun 1. Slang: Extremely Disparaging and Offensive. a. a black person.
b. a member of any dark-skinned people.

2. Slang: Extremely Disparaging and Offensive. a person of any race or origin regarded as contemptible, inferior, ignorant, etc.

3. a victim of prejudice similar to that suffered by blacks; a person who is economically, politically, or socially disenfranchised.

[Origin: 1640–50; < F nègre < Sp negro black]
 

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Posted by Phil Hill (Member # 371) on 11-22-2006, 07:17 PM:
 
Louis =

David Stambaugh =
 

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Posted by David Stambaugh (Member # 1102) on 11-22-2006, 07:21 PM:
 
Matthew Peters asked a question. I pointed him to one answer. Sorry if that made you sleepy Phil.
 

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Posted by Phil Hill (Member # 371) on 11-22-2006, 07:22 PM:
 
OK...good point. But not necessarily held by all.
 

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Posted by Chris Hipp (Member # 1788) on 11-22-2006, 07:41 PM:
 
I honestly believe that the only reason the word nigger is still around is because the blacks use it as a barrier between them and the rest of society (mainly whites, though.) If they didn't have it in any of its forms then they would have to conform to all other societal norms.

"Blacks can say it, whites can't. That's just the way it is." I heard that from a comedian on Def Comedy Jam, can't remember his name because he wasn't funny enough. I think that pretty much sums it up, blacks are going to treat themselves differently so the rest of society must do so also. As opposed to saying, "We are just as good as you and don't need to be treated different."

I have never met a single person that was not to some extent "racist." Ya know what, I think that is a perfectly healthy and natural thing. Peace, love and happiness is UN-natural. This does not mean that I advocate going out and doing harm to someone because they are a different race than you. I mean that it is natural for us to stick to our own kind and protect our own. There can be conditional peace between tribes, but it should not be forced the way that it is being force on us right now.
 

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Posted by Wayne Keyser (Member # 2420) on 11-22-2006, 07:49 PM:
 
Point 1 - It's today's tempest in a teapot [*yawn*] - Janet Jackson's mammary, part 2.

Point 2 - As a 25+-year professional entertainer (my film days are long gone), if you're not hanging out over the edge of a cliff in some fashion, you're just "phoning it in." Bob Hope is dead. Not everybody has to be Sam Kinison, but if you're not taking chances, why not just write a book, or a joke for READER'S DIGEST? And, taking chances, sometimes you soar, and sometimes you fall on your butt. Did those people come to the Comedy Store because they wanted something safe and pre-digested?
 

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Posted by Matthew Peters (Member # 1495) on 11-22-2006, 08:16 PM:
 

quote: David Stambaugh

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The term nigger is now probably the most offensive word in English.

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That has obviously been written by an American. I didn’t realise it was considered *so* offensive that it would be censored, especially for news and current affairs which are usually exempt from standard censoring.

I hate to order a coffee over there
 

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Posted by Chad Souder (Member # 343) on 11-22-2006, 08:36 PM:
 
Respectfully, I think the only person who can determine if a word or term is offensive or not is the person the word or comment is being directed at. I hardly think you can call a black person a nigger and then tell them they should not be offended, much less yelling that while your are visibly pissed off. Try calling a woman a cunt and then tell her she cannot be offended. Try calling a black woman a nigger cunt and if you live, let me know how long it takes you to heal. I agree that the selfish use of the word nigger by blacks is completely hypocritical. That, however, does not mean that a white person cannot still say it with ill intent. There is no equal word for whites. It is this ill intent that can make it offensive.
 

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Posted by Hillary Charles (Member # 769) on 11-22-2006, 08:37 PM:
 
On one of the entertainment shows, a "reporter" asked one of the hecklers who started the whole thing if he plans on suing.

SUING?!?!?!?!?!?!? FOR WHAT!?!?!?!?!?

If they had behaved the way people are supposed to in society....oh wait, if I continue, then I could be accused of being racist myself.

And it's so much fun watching news anchors and such saying "the N-word" as though they're in kindergarten. Didn't that all start with the O.J. trial? PC run amok.

Who's up for watching "BLAZING SADDLES" with me?
 

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Posted by Shane Cooper (Member # 2510) on 11-22-2006, 08:42 PM:
 

quote: Chris Hipp

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I honestly believe that the only reason the word nigger is still around is because the blacks use it as a barrier between them and the rest of society (mainly whites, though.) If they didn't have it in any of its forms then they would have to conform to all other societal norms.

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quote: Chad Souder

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Try calling a black woman a nigger cunt and if you live, let me know how long it takes you to heal.

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quote: David Stambaugh

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In the televised interview, everyone used "n-word" in place of "nigger".

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quote: Hillary Charles

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Who's up for watching "BLAZING SADDLES" with me?

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Excuse me while I whip this out!
 

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Posted by Mike Heenan (Member # 392) on 11-22-2006, 10:26 PM:
 
Chris Hipp

quote: Chris Hipp

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"Blacks can say it, whites can't. That's just the way it is." I heard that from a comedian on Def Comedy Jam, can't remember his name because he wasn't funny enough. I think that pretty much sums it up, blacks are going to treat themselves differently so the rest of society must do so also. As opposed to saying, "We are just as good as you and don't need to be treated different."

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quote: Matthew Peters

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That ['The term 'nigger' is probably the most offensive word in the English language'] has obviously been written by an American.

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quote: Hillary Charles

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Who's up for watching "BLAZING SADDLES" with me?

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"Shvartzas?"

Mel Brooks as Indian Chief
 

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Posted by Tim Reed (Member # 137) on 11-23-2006, 12:51 PM:
 
Save me a seat, Hillary! (Raisinettes. <moooo!>)
 

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Posted by Mike Heenan (Member # 392) on 11-23-2006, 01:22 PM:
 
"Sir you specifically requested a couple of (n-words) , but to be honest my grandmother was Dutch"
 

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Posted by Michael Coate (Member # 757) on 11-23-2006, 02:12 PM:
 
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061123/ap_en_ce/michael_richards

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Richards apologizes, hires crisis expert

By SOLVEJ SCHOU, Associated Press Writer
Thu Nov 23, 2:39 AM ET


First he went on national television to apologize for his racial tirade against two black hecklers. Now Michael Richards is taking his contriteness to the next level: he's hired a public relations expert with deep contacts in the black community.

New York publicist Howard Rubenstein took on Richards as a client Wednesday after being contacted by the actor-comedian. He then arranged for Richards to call the Revs. Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton.

"I've known those gentlemen for many years," Rubenstein told The Associated Press.

"Michael apologized profusely. He wants to heal the tremendous wound that he's inflicted on the American public, and on the African-American community," he said.

Jackson, reached by phone, said Richards called "expressing his remorse and his confusion."

"He's embarrassed. He got caught on tape. That's a big part of his anxiety now," said Jackson.

"Clearly he needs some race sensibility training, and some psychiatric help. His anger is volatile and dangerous to himself and others," Jackson said. "I hope he gets the help he needs. But the culture that's producing this kind of animosity toward blacks must be addressed. ... We're increasingly facing cultural isolation in Hollywood, in the movies and in TV."

Jackson added, "We have to evaluate the use of the n-word and categorize it as hate speech, no matter who uses it."

Calls to Sharpton's home and to his National Action Network on Wednesday were not returned.

Richards, who played the kooky neighbor Kramer on the TV show "Seinfeld," lashed out at the hecklers last week during a performance at West Hollywood's Laugh Factory. A video of his rant then appeared on TMZ.com.

In a subsequent satellite appearance on David Letterman's "Late Show," Richards said his remarks were fueled by anger, not bigotry.

The National Association for the Advancement of Colored People said in a statement Wednesday that the tirade and anti-Semitic comments by Mel Gibson earlier this year point to a pervasive trend in American culture, and that Richards' declaration "is indicative of the type of denial that too often accompanies racist rhetoric."

Rubenstein, whose media relations firm specializes in "crisis management" according to the firm's Web site, said he had never met or spoken to Richards before the actor called him.

Clients of Rubenstein's firm include Amazon.com, the New York Yankees, ABC Inc., Walt Disney Co., Time Inc., News Corp., Columbia University, the NAACP Image Awards and Bloomberg L.P., according to the Web site.

"I've been very involved in the African-American community for 25 to 30 years," Rubenstein said. "It would be a tragedy if this exacerbated our race relations. I hope I can help. ... It's always been an effort on my part to improve African-American and Jewish ethnic relations."

As for reports that Richards shouted out anti-Semitic remarks during another standup comedy routine in April, Rubenstein confirmed his client did, but that he was only role-playing.

"He's Jewish. He's not anti-Semitic at all. He was role-playing, he was playing a part. He did use inappropriate language, but he doesn't have any anti-Semitic feelings whatsoever," Rubenstein said.

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http://www.rubenstein.com/

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"Michael apologized profusely. He wants to heal the tremendous wound that he's inflicted on the American public, and on the African-American community," he said.

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I do not condone what Michael said on stage, but a "tremendous wound"??? Oh please. Some people need to get a little bit thicker skin. At this point, IMHO Michael is only doing this to save whatever career he may have left and also to get his name in the media again.

And yes Joe, like it or not you ARE a cracker! (A Saltine, not a Ritz. )
 

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Posted by Brian Michael Weidemann (Member # 2243) on 11-23-2006, 03:39 PM:
 
While everybody's watching Blazing Saddles, I'll be over here alone with my copy of UHF.
 

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Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 11-23-2006, 03:49 PM:
 
Well if I am a cracker I'd damn well better be a Saltine!

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He then arranged for Richards to call the Revs. Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton.

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Why these two? Surely the black community does not see them as their representatives. These two are known for over-the-top theatrics, not clear and logical thinking.
 

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Posted by Dennis Benjamin (Member # 1137) on 11-23-2006, 04:04 PM:
 
Chillax everyone!

We live in a free country (right? - I hope so). So we are free to say (as in the spoken or written word) whatever the hell we want. If a comedian wants to end his career - I say let the man do it. He has the right to screw up his own life - don't we all?
 

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Posted by Hillary Charles (Member # 769) on 11-23-2006, 05:40 PM:
 
Good to see the BLAZING SADDLES showing is gaining momentum.

But, it's obvious that everyone already knows every single line. Maybe it's time to do a Rocky Horror with it.

I'll be practicing for the part of the Teutonic Twat.
 

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Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 11-23-2006, 06:26 PM:
 
Dennis, don't tell me to chill or to "chillax" when I have the right to free speech. Oops, so do you. Damn it how do I tell you what not to tell me?
 

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Posted by Jim Ziegler (Member # 86) on 11-23-2006, 06:41 PM:
 

quote: Brad Miller

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I do not condone what Michael said on stage, but a "tremendous wound"??? Oh please. Some people need to get a little bit thicker skin.

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I fail to see why this is even news. I have never seen one stand up routine that was not deliberatly offensive to one group or another.
 

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Posted by David Stambaugh (Member # 1102) on 11-23-2006, 06:59 PM:
 
He's admitted he completely lost it on stage, and the video supports that conclusion. This had nothing to do with his regular standup comedy routine. If you haven't seen the video, you may be missing some of the context of what happened.

Let's see, we have Gloria Allred, Al Sharpton, and Rev. Jessie Jackson involved now. Where's Don King and Judge Judy?
 

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Posted by Chad Souder (Member # 343) on 11-23-2006, 08:31 PM:
 

quote: Jim Ziegler

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I have never seen one stand up routine that was not deliberatly offensive to one group or another.

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quote: Joe Redifer

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Why these two? Surely the black community does not see them as their representatives. These two are known for over-the-top theatrics, not clear and logical thinking.

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Model for character talks about 'Kramer'
By LARRY McSHANE, Associated Press Writer
1 hour, 46 minutes ago

The first call came from the Midwest. Before long, the phone was ringing, and ringing, and ringing again: Satellite radio. Fox News. Extra. Yada, yada, yada.

For Kenny Kramer, role model for the "Seinfeld" character who shared his surname, each call was a reminder of the intersection between his real life and his sitcom doppelganger. Actor Michael Richards — the on-air Cosmo Kramer — made headlines this week with a racist rant in a Los Angeles comedy club.

Suddenly, everybody wanted to know what Kramer — despite the degrees of separation — thought about the man who played the character based on his life.

Confused? So was Kramer.

"I did at least 15 to 20 interviews," said Kramer, talking to interviewee No. 16 or 21. "All hell broke loose. There were lots of e-mails. They were about 9-1 positive. A guy who wrote a story in the Daily News said, `I hope this doesn't hurt your business.'"

Ah, the business — where Kramer has enjoyed the merger of man and myth for nearly 11 years. Kramer, now 62, launched the "Kramer Reality Tour" in January 1996, taking Sein-fans on a tour of Manhattan locales featured in the Emmy-winning comedy series.

It remains a brilliant concept, bringing together New York real estate and Hollywood surreality. There was the real New York Health and Racquet Club, where the fake Kramer met a bogus Salman Rushdie. Or the midtown office building where the fake Kramer discovered a publisher for his coffee table book ... about coffee tables.

The real Kramer, who initially lobbied to play himself on the program, subsequently met with Richards on several occasions. His insight after the actor's meltdown during a stand-up comedy appearance: Richards had little in common with his off-kilter "Seinfeld" persona.

"I know the guy," the real Kramer said of the faux Kramer. "He's not this outgoing ball of fun that people would expect Kramer to be. They think he's be exciting, lovable, laughable. But he's quiet, introspective, even paranoid. He's a very wound-up guy. But I don't think he's a racist."

While Richards spent nine seasons playing the K-Man, Kramer spent 10 years in a Hell's Kitchen apartment across the hall from "Seinfeld" co-creator Larry David. His life became the framework for Richards' quirky, bumbling Seinfeld sidekick, right down to the location of Kramer's apartment.

There was even a slight physical resemblance.

But Richards' repeated use of a racial epithet in shouting down two hecklers had the genuine Kramer gently reminding folks of the difference between inspiration and imitation — even after the phony Kramer apologized during a television appearance with the real Jerry Seinfeld.

"The things that really annoys me is that The Drudge Report, Michael Savage, are saying Kramer's a racist,'" the real Kramer said on a real phone from a real location in Manhattan. "Kramer is a fictitious character. Michael Richards is an actor who played that character."

Kramer said he wasn't too worried that people would confuse Kramer, the character, with Kramer, the person.

Just in case, however, he issued a two-sentence statement drawing the distinction: "I know the public is smart enough to realize that Michael Richards' personal actions in no way reflect on the character he portrayed on television or me, Kenny Kramer, the real person that the character was based on."

Kramer, who starts his 11th year of the reality tour in January, managed to find a silver lining in the confusion.

"You know what the good news is?" he asked. "Judith Regan is now on a plane to California, trying to sign Michael Richards to a book deal: `If I Were a Racist, Here's What I Would Have Said.'"

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On the Net: http://www.kennykramer.com/

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Posted by Bobby Henderson (Member # 840) on 11-24-2006, 06:26 PM:
 
This whole situation, especially with how the news media is blowing it up like crazy, is inexcusably stupid.

First, Michael Richards was wrong for running up and down the stage screaming racial slurs. Any white person has to be Lois Lane Stupid to freely use the word "nigger" especially in something like a public performance. White people have been losing their jobs over similar instances. Look at what happened to Howard Cosell and Jimmy The Greek. People that aren't even famous or public figures of any capacity have been fired from jobs for being overheard using the n-word.

I will agree 100% the current situation is absolutely unfair.

White people aren't nearly as easily offended by terms like "honkey," "cracker," "peckerwood," "white-bread" and lots of other slurs. There's a number of non-white comedians and entertainers who base a great deal of their material on insulting whites. Our popular culture sends out lots of anti-white messages, painting the whole race as plain, weak and impotent. But no one is losing their jobs or sparking any protests over that.

I just wish there was some fair consistency across the board in all of this. If using a bigoted slur is going to be a career ending offense for one group of people then it should be a career ending offense for ALL people. No one should get a free pass.

Or maybe all those stupid race cards should be thrown away and everyone should pull thick stick out of their asses and get over themselves.

While so many people are wringing their hands in disgust over Michael Richards' words, on the other side of the world people are dying in the tens or hundreds at a time from suicide car bombings all based on religious inspired hatred. Our problems of race relations in America are very small potatoes compared to other places in the world.
 

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Posted by Jeremy Fuentes (Member # 2135) on 11-24-2006, 08:09 PM:
 
I blame the mexicans for all this racial nonsense in the world.
 

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Posted by Chris Hipp (Member # 1788) on 11-24-2006, 08:17 PM:
 
Jeremy, You are a hypocrite! If Kramer were mexican and you were a woman you would be screaming blody murder!

For those of you who don't get the joke:
 

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Posted by Jeremy Fuentes (Member # 2135) on 11-24-2006, 10:07 PM:
 

 

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Posted by Michael Schaffer (Member # 1204) on 11-24-2006, 11:06 PM:
 

quote: Brad Miller

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I do not condone what Michael said on stage, but a "tremendous wound"??? Oh please.

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quote: Randy Stankey

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When I was a kid, we could get smacked for saying that something "sucked".

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Yeah! Not to mention "pissed," "bitch," "bastard," "ass," and so on.

It amazes me that almost everytime somebody on TV uses the word "asshole," they'll leave "ass" and bleep out the "hole."

I love that idea though Randy.
 

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Posted by Brad Miller (Member # 2) on 11-25-2006, 03:09 AM:
 
Agreed, that Randy fucker really knows his nigger shit.
 

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Posted by Phil Hill (Member # 371) on 11-25-2006, 10:42 AM:
 
If some of yous think some of the comments here are "inappropriate", go read the comments at TMZ

Too funny! ...AND some discusting! HA!
 

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Posted by Louis Bornwasser (Member # 3063) on 11-26-2006, 10:07 AM:
 
Where are Don Rickles & Flip Wilson when you need them? Louis
 

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Posted by Chad Souder (Member # 343) on 11-26-2006, 10:34 AM:
 

quote: Randy Stankey

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We should say words like "Wop", "Kike", "Pollack" and of course, "Nigger" all the time.

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quote: Louis Bornwasser

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Where are Don Rickles & Flip Wilson when you need them?

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quote: Brad Miller

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Agreed, that Randy fucker really knows his nigger shit.

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Fuck you very much!
 

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Posted by Frank Dubrois (Member # 3042) on 11-29-2006, 02:13 AM:
 

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New York publicist Howard Rubenstein took on Richards as a client Wednesday after being contacted by the actor-comedian. He then arranged for Richards to call the Revs. Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton.

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This is what I have a problem with. Why in the hell do white people have to apologize to these two clowns everytime a black person get assaulted (verbally or physically)? If the roles were reversed and white people were heckling a black comedian, and the black comedian went off on the white hecklers, who would he be obligated to apologize to? Ralph Nader maybe? Who do we have to represent?? I'm not a racist by any means, and I don't condone what EITHER party did, but seriously...can't we all just get along?
 

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Posted by Mike Blakesley (Member # 26) on 11-29-2006, 02:28 AM:
 
Jesse Jackson is urging people not to buy the Seinfeld Season 7 video.

As a result, the DVD is at #11 on the Amazon.com best-seller list and (according to the studio) is selling better than they expected.

Personally I bought two copies, because I think Jesse Jackson is a blithering idiot.
 

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Posted by Bobby Henderson (Member # 840) on 11-29-2006, 09:26 AM:
 

quote: Randy Stankey

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We should say words like "Wop", "Kike", "Pollack" and of course, "Nigger" all the time.

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Why did you leave out all the "Micks" from Ireland? Let's not forget about "Krauts" from Germany!

 

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Posted by John Wilson (Member # 269) on 11-29-2006, 11:34 AM:
 
Political correctness - Blechhh!

More silliness:

Link to news.com.au

Don't call us Poms, say Poms

By Heath Aston

November 30, 2006 01:00am
Article from: The Daily Telegraph

It is the Don Bradman of whinges.

A group of thin-skinned English expats wants the word Pom banned, claiming it is a racial slur on a par with the most appalling insults.

British People Against Racial Discrimination has gone to the Advertising Standards Board in an attempt to derail the latest Tooheys campaign which mocks the warm-beer-drinking Brits.

The ads claim Tooheys' supercold brand is "cold enough to scare a Pom".

The Aussie brewer will fight the complaint, saying BPARDs gripe is as wide of the mark as Steve Harmison's first ball in the Ashes series.

"The Oxford Dictionary classes Pom as being derogatory just like wog, wop, dink, dago, coon and abo, it's every bit as bad as the term nigger," BPARD spokesman David Thomason said yesterday.

BPARD, which has a committee of 14 and branches in Perth and Melbourne, does not want Pom banned from general usage but Mr Thomason believes there is an agenda in the media to take the insult to new heights.

BPARD has some well-heeled backing from the mother country in the form of the notoriously stuffy English and Wales Cricket Board.

ECB chief executive David Collier said in a letter dated October 10: "The ECB continues with our position that we would prefer the terminology not be used".

The Human Rights and Equal Opportunity Commission disagrees however, saying it is only the descriptive language used in tandem with Pom that carries offence.

"The prospect of the use of the word 'Pom' itself inciting hatred against a group appears more remote than the use of words used to describe other racial groups," commission spokesman Paul Oliver said.

The stink is unlikely to deter Australian cricket fans from roasting their English rivals when the second Test begins in Adelaide tomorrow.

But even that battle is skewed against the Poms, according to Mr Thomason.

"These songs that the Aussie supporters sing talk about we can't get near you because of your smell, your body odour, your bad breath, your buck teeth, your whingeing, have you got some soap," he said.

"The worst you hear from the Barmy Army is that Aussies are sheep shaggers and you all live in a penal colony."

The world needs to get a life.
 

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Posted by Mike Heenan (Member # 392) on 11-29-2006, 01:34 PM:
 
I was listening to Stern the other day and he was saying how Jesse Jackson once called NYC Hymietown. He and the gang said that those 2 (jackson and Sharpton) are probably the worst representatives of the black community.
 

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Posted by Mike Blakesley (Member # 26) on 11-29-2006, 01:40 PM:
 
I'm a Mick and a Kraut by ancestry, also Norwegian and English, but personally I don't give a crap what I am. Although it could explain why I like beer. Other than that, it makes no difference. I'm an American, my parents were born here and so were all of their parents. I figure I'm just as "native American" as anybody else who currently lives here and that includes all of the Indians.
 

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Posted by Chad Souder (Member # 343) on 11-29-2006, 02:07 PM:
 

quote: Mike Heenan

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I was listening to Stern the other day

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quote: Mike Blakesley

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I figure I'm just as "native American" as anybody else who currently lives here and that includes all of the Indians.

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You are...and so am I. Everyone born here IS Native American. Indians are indians, whether they be American Indians or East Indian. I'm sick of indians claiming they are the only Native Americans here. Anyone else tired of paying for what "our" forefathers did to "their" forefathers? How do we know that indians didn't come from the Alaska area and move down south? How do we know that the indians didnt come up from South America and decide to stay here? By those terms, they aren't native americans either....
 

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Posted by Phil Hill (Member # 371) on 11-30-2006, 05:14 PM:
 
Chad & Frank: Great posts! Soooo true!
 

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Posted by Mike Heenan (Member # 392) on 11-30-2006, 05:23 PM:
 
I think Indians are more concerned about taking our grandparents money in their casinos than some politically correct term given to them by white corporate America. Whoops, starting a Henderson rant there.
 

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Posted by Martin Brooks (Member # 1269) on 11-30-2006, 09:40 PM:
 
I haven't read every post, but my personal belief is that words are used in context and part of that context is who is making the comment and what the intent is. And frequently, it even matters whether it's funny or not, even though what's funny is subjective.

While I despise the fact that blacks brought back the word nigger (because it was pretty much dead before they did that), there is a difference when a black uses the word and when a white uses the word, just like there's a difference between someone telling a very disparaging joke about their own ethnic group and telling a similar joke about another. I can't believe that the majority here don't seem to think that context matters.

You can't seriously believe that there isn't a difference if I say to a black coworker, "hey nigger, come here" and if another black coworker said the same thing to him.

It didn't sound to me like Richards meant his comments to be funny. It sounds like he meant his comments to be hurtful in order to get the people to shut up. That doesn't necessarily make him a racist, but it might. In his defense, he apparently did something similar before, but to Jews, even though he's Jewish himself. That would make him obnoxious and unfunny, but not racist.

All comedians have had to deal with hecklers. The good ones learn how to do it with skill and grace. They do it in part, by winning the rest of the audience to their side. Richards apparently hasn't learned that and because he hasn't learned that, he's now going to pay a big price.
 

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Posted by Randy Stankey (Member # 64) on 11-30-2006, 10:23 PM:
 

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...[T]here is a difference when a black uses the word and when a white uses the word, just like there's a difference between someone telling a very disparaging joke about their own ethnic group and telling a similar joke about another.

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quote: Martin Brooks

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You can't seriously believe that there isn't a difference if I say to a black coworker, "hey nigger, come here" and if another black coworker said the same thing to him.

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I agree 100% there is a difference. The problem is white people are practically the only ones being held to that standard.

It's perfectly okay for any non-white person to make racial insults against white people and even do it on national TV. A lot of the jokes black comedians tell about white people would be deemed hatefully racist if a white comedian told the same kind of joke with the colors reversed.
 

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Posted by Mike Blakesley (Member # 26) on 12-01-2006, 09:06 PM:
 
Yeah, if Whoopi Goldberg and Chris Rock had to take all the white-bashing "humor" out of their acts, they'd each have about 20 minutes of material left.
 

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Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 12-02-2006, 12:30 AM:
 

 

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Posted by Bobby Henderson (Member # 840) on 12-02-2006, 01:19 AM:
 
Hmm. I think the photo indicates he's saying "fuck you, honkey!" Clearly it looks like he's enunciating the sustained "E" sound on the end of "honkey."
 

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Posted by Louis Bornwasser (Member # 3063) on 12-02-2006, 07:48 AM:
 
We all need to play the Flip Wilson bit that starts out: "I hate niggers....!" Louis
 

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Posted by Will Kutler (Member # 770) on 12-02-2006, 04:53 PM:
 
What is interesting is that in my experiences Blacks are usually the instigators and then run for cover when they are retaliated against.

When I was in the USAF, I lived in the military barracks at what was Norton AFB, CA (now closed). People of both sexes and of multiple ethnic, religious and political backgrounds all lived in the dorms. The general atmosphere was "live and let live", and there were really no problems.

The exception was the Black community who generally LOVED to instigate trouble with EVERYONE, and when they were eventually retialliated against they would generally run for cover and go crying to the Social Actions office. Here is one example.

We had rules in the dorm about how to conduct yourself...these were basic rules that one would find in any appartment complex. But the Blacks always considered themselves immune to these rules. And if anyone complained or held the Blacks responsible then they would immediately cry "racial discrimination".

It finally came to a climax upon our return from Desert Storm when the Blacks pushed the Southern Good Ole Boys to the limit, and those Good Ole Boys finally let loose on the Blacks by tagging their rooms and property with KKK and Neo Nazi
grafitti.

Now, I served as the Jewish Lay Leader at Norton AFB and helped to calm the situation by arranging a base-wide tour, etc of the Museum of Tolerance in LA.

Ironically, the only anti-Semitism that I experienced while in the USAF was from Blacks. This included one of my First Sergeants, and I finally had the base Chapplin intervene and got this First Shirt straightened out.

One other sickening experience occured when I lived in Israel. While at Yad Vashem, there was a touring group of American kids, mostly Black from what appeared to be inner city America. Talk about disrespectful in the Hall of Rememberance!!! One of them took a skullcap, startted jabbering about what this crap was for, threw it on the ground and started to use it for "break-dancing"!! Yes, THIS REALLY HAPPENED!! There were a few people who confronted this kid, and he attempted to show what a bad-ass gangsta he was!

Bottom line, I am really sick and tired of these double standards that Blacks think they are entitled to. And it is really shameful about how the Black community in general disses on someone like Bill Cosby who has spoken out about what the Black community must do redeem itself.

K
 

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Posted by Aaron Mehocic (Member # 15) on 12-02-2006, 05:14 PM:
 
Simply stated, what Will spoke about is learned behavior since 1964.
 

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Posted by Jim Ziegler (Member # 86) on 12-02-2006, 05:45 PM:
 

quote: John Wilson

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A group of thin-skinned English expats wants the word Pom banned, claiming it is a racial slur on a par with the most appalling insults.

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quote: Jim Ziegler

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Since when did English people get their own race?

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quote: Joe Redifer

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A "Pom" is a nigger kraut like yourself

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Posted by William T. Parr (Member # 677) on 12-04-2006, 06:41 PM:
 

quote: Joe Redifer

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A "Pom" is a nigger kraut like yourself.

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DDDDDDDDDAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

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Posted by Michael Schaffer (Member # 1204) on 12-04-2006, 08:01 PM:
 

quote: Joe Redifer

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A "Pom" is a nigger kraut like yourself.

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quote: Ron Curran

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According to an urban myth of 50 years standing, English people tend to have rosy cheeks like red apples - hence pommes (frog for apples).

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quote: Brad Miller

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I do not condone what Michael said on stage, but a "tremendous wound"??? Oh please. Some people need to get a little bit thicker skin.

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Amen!

Yours in Christ in this joyous holiday season!

>>> Phil
 

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Posted by Randy Stankey (Member # 64) on 12-06-2006, 10:07 AM:
 
First, Michael Richards? Now Andy Dick?

Sheeitt! If I knew that all you had to do to become rich and famous was to grab a microphone and shout some foul racist shit in public I'd have been rich LONG AGO!


 

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Posted by Chad Souder (Member # 343) on 12-06-2006, 01:04 PM:
 

quote: Mike Heenan

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According to sources, the hopped-up comedian hopped onstage Saturday

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Don't you think they're using the term "comedian" a bit loosely?

And, thanks for the clarification, Michael.

[ 12-06-2006, 06:42 PM: Message edited by: Chad Souder ]
 

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Posted by Mike Heenan (Member # 392) on 12-06-2006, 05:18 PM:
 
Perhaps if you noted the link above my paragraph, you'd have known it was a news story and me not claiming he was a "comedian".
 

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Posted by Chad Souder (Member # 343) on 12-06-2006, 06:44 PM:
 
There, I fixed it. I was just jabbing at Andy Dick anyway, not at you.
 

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Posted by Randy Stankey (Member # 64) on 12-08-2006, 11:04 AM:
 
You're jabbing at Andy's DICK?!
 

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Posted by Tim Reed (Member # 137) on 12-08-2006, 04:59 PM:
 
Randy, that's bad! <hee-hee>
 

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Posted by James R. Hammonds, Jr (Member # 673) on 12-08-2006, 10:42 PM:
 
I really doubt it is, but I wouldn't be surprised if this was some sort of setup.
It happened right before the release of Seinfeld Season 7 (which is selling really well) and they had Seinfeld himself all ready to go on Letterman for the "apology".
And since he is somehow getting into legal trouble over it, it can also be used to prop up the hate crimes bill in January.
 

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Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 12-08-2006, 10:52 PM:
 
Seinfeld was ready to go on to Letterman to whore his season 7 DVD release, just like every other celebrity goes on to his show or on Leno's show or any other show to do. If they don't have a reason to whore themselves, they don't go on the show.
 

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Posted by James R. Hammonds, Jr (Member # 673) on 12-11-2006, 11:13 AM:
 
I didn't mean that Seinfeld was on for the sole puprose if giving Richards an outlet for his "apology", but that it was just a convenient part of the equation.
I propbalby just didn't make that clear enough.
 

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Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 12-11-2006, 05:19 PM:
 
propbalby not.
 

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Posted by Mike Blakesley (Member # 26) on 12-11-2006, 10:00 PM:
 

quote: Joe Redifer was the last to post

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propbalby

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