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Posted by Richard Greco (Member # 2032) on 08-16-2007, 10:18 PM:
Bought a brand spankin' new 07 Colorado a few weeks ago. Already did some work to it.
Debadged
Painted Interior Trim
10% Tint
Pioneer head unit
...much more to come!
Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 08-16-2007, 11:28 PM:
What do you mean by "debadge"? Do you mean removing the dealer logos from the body of the vehicle? A dealer tag anywhere on the vehicle (except maybe removable plates) is a deal breaker for me when buying a car. Plate frames can be tossed right when you get home.
Posted by Mike Heenan (Member # 392) on 08-16-2007, 11:48 PM:
Be sure to put Pussy Wagon on the back, that'll bring in the chicks.
Posted by Michael Schaffer (Member # 1204) on 08-16-2007, 11:52 PM:
Oh man, what an ugly color! What do you call that? "Bubble gum blue"?
What do you need such a a big truck for anyway, as a pizza driver? Real men don't need pimped up vehicles. Real men drive a practical, elegant, and well engineered car. Like this one:
(That also happens to be my car, but it's just a coincidence, I had no other picture handy for illustrating my point.)
Posted by Mike Olpin (Member # 1115) on 08-17-2007, 12:16 AM:
Posted by Richard Greco (Member # 2032) on 08-17-2007, 02:28 AM:
Joe, debadging is removing the lettering from the sides and tailgate, not just the dealer emblem. It gives the vehicle a smoother look. It foes not mean to remove the bowtie as that isn't an emblem persay, but a part of the grille.
Michael, I kinda thought you'd say that...I'll just leave that alone since we never saw eye to eye.
Also, I'm no longer in Pizza Delivery and I wanted something different for the color...and that SURE does stand out
Posted by Dick Vaughan (Member # 540) on 08-17-2007, 02:29 AM:
What no mattress in the back yet?
And where's the gun rack? You gotta have a gun rack! ![[Roll Eyes]](rolleyes.gif)
Posted by Monte L Fullmer (Member # 2797) on 08-17-2007, 02:39 AM:
Pimpin' ride, man..... at least he's got the standard cab version where the bed can hold a sheet of uncut plywood with little hangover ...
(and I wouldn't knock Michael's VW WGN either - definitely a well built piece of machinery there...)
Posted by Paul Trimboli (Member # 1509) on 08-17-2007, 04:41 AM:
Whats the fuel economy like? Probably like a typical American car. I gather the looming oil crisis and global warming are not matter you care to much about? Sorry if that sounds a bit harsh but here in Australia (like in America) people like their big cars that drink fuel, yet they just drive themselves around in it with these big utes being a typical example. It is beyond me why people think like that. I would rather something smaller, lighter and uses effiecent design rather then brute force. I guess thats why I like European cars and why I drive a Citroen C4. If you have a need for a ute then thats a different story, such as it part of you job.
Posted by Chris Slycord (Member # 4239) on 08-17-2007, 05:01 AM:
quote: Paul Trimboli
Whats the fuel economy like? Probably like a typical American car. I gather the looming oil crisis and global warming are not matter you care to much about? Sorry if that sounds a bit harsh but here in Australia (like in America) people like their big cars that drink fuel, yet they just drive themselves around in it with these big utes being a typical example. It is beyond me why people think like that. I would rather something smaller, lighter and uses effiecent design rather then brute force. I guess thats why I like European cars and why I drive a Citroen C4. If you have a need for a ute then thats a different story, such as it part of you job.
What happens is a lot of people say "But I need a big, $30,000 , SUV for that camping trip we do every year."
When in reality, 95% of their driving doesn't involve anything related to camping. The amount of money they save on the car alone (not even including increased gas efficiency) could buy them a few years worth of weekly SUV rentals.
But this is a bit off topic.
Posted by Richard Greco (Member # 2032) on 08-17-2007, 08:29 AM:
I get approx 22 in the city and 25 on the highway. I'm also a stick-shift with a Inline 4. So I would definitely say I'm pretty fuel efficient. When I get my Tonneau cover, I will also add 2 mpg with it. It is fairly heavy, at a 4850 GVWR, but I feel safer in it with all that steel around me.
The color is Pace Blue btw
Also, It really wasn't that expensive. It was approx $15k
Posted by Jim Bedford (Member # 4) on 08-17-2007, 09:49 AM:
Very 20th Century....
Posted by William T. Parr (Member # 677) on 08-17-2007, 10:07 AM:
quote: Mike Heenan
Be sure to put Pussy Wagon on the back
I second that. But I think you should make it a little more personal with something like "The Amazing Greco's Pussy Wagon" ![[thumbsup]](graemlins/thumbsup.gif)
It is a nice looking vehicle though. Hope you get alot of enjoyment out of it. ![[Wink]](wink.gif)
Posted by Louis Bornwasser (Member # 3063) on 08-17-2007, 12:25 PM:
The color is (almost) Michael's shirt color. Louis
Posted by Adam Martin (Member # 641) on 08-17-2007, 01:01 PM:
We should all pitch in and get him personalized plates that say "G-FACTOR". Florida allows 7 alphanumerics plus a space or hyphen!
Posted by Tim Reed (Member # 137) on 08-17-2007, 01:13 PM:
quote: Mike Heenan
Be sure to put Pussy Wagon on the back, that'll bring in the chicks.
He's got the "WOW" on there... but it's on the wrong side to do any good.
Looks good, Richard.
Posted by Chad M Calpito (Member # 3736) on 08-17-2007, 01:13 PM:
The color on that truck is cool. Plus, it would bring in the women. I can see putting in some 12" Subwoofers and some amps in the back. ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
Posted by Scott Norwood (Member # 30) on 08-17-2007, 01:16 PM:
Nice parking job. ![[Razz]](tongue.gif)
Posted by David Stambaugh (Member # 1102) on 08-17-2007, 01:39 PM:
I think it looks great.
You could say on this forum "I was taking a pee and thinking about the world situation, you know how that happens sometimes, and just as I flushed the toilet I decided you know what, I'm donating $1,000 to feed starving Malaysians!" and someone would ignore that and criticize you for wasting water etc. by flushing your toilet every time you pee instead of only flushing when there are solids.
Posted by Brad Allen (Member # 470) on 08-17-2007, 01:54 PM:
Nice buy Richard. Enjoy it.
Posted by Darryl Spicer (Member # 711) on 08-17-2007, 01:56 PM:
quote: Richard Greco
I get approx 22 in the city and 25 on the highway. I'm also a stick-shift with a Inline 4. So I would definitely say I'm pretty fuel efficient. When I get my Tonneau cover, I will also add 2 mpg with it. It is fairly heavy, at a 4850 GVWR, but I feel safer in it with all that steel around me.
Until you get your bed cover you can drop the tailgate down when you are on the interstate. That will reduce your drag and increase your fuel milage.
Posted by William T. Parr (Member # 677) on 08-17-2007, 02:14 PM:
quote: Darryl Spicer
Until you get your bed cover you can drop the tailgate down when you are on the interstate. That will reduce your drag and increase your fuel milage
Sorry, But Mythbusters did several trials on this and found that the tailgate down did nothing for drag or fuel econmy.
Posted by Bill Enos (Member # 440) on 08-17-2007, 02:30 PM:
Also on Car Talk a few years ago there was q similar question. An aero engineer responded the explanation that with the gate up a bubble of stagnant air slowly circulates around the bed of the truck. When air approaches the truck it sees that bubble as part of the truck and appears to the air that there is cover over the bed. With the gate down air approaching the truck sees a truck with a flat bed on the back of a tall cab which is a very non aerodynamic shape with a large drag. Tests made in a wind tunnel for Ford. Less drag with the gate up.
Posted by Tristan Lane (Member # 1169) on 08-17-2007, 03:31 PM:
I noticed comments about how big the truck is, when in fact, the Chevy Colorado / GMC Canyon are the smallest pickup offered by the two Monikers of GM.
Richard, it's too bad you didn't opt for the larger inline 5. That is an impressive engine for sure!
Posted by Monte L Fullmer (Member # 2797) on 08-17-2007, 04:11 PM:
Yea, that 4cyl is the 2800 Vortec motor .. good sized straight 4 cylinder...why his mileage is in that range..
Easiest way to cut drag is to put a shell on that thing - a shell that has the same height as the roofline of the cab..then add a small wing to the tail edge of the shell to deflect the airflow downward to fill in the vacuum that is created when a vertical surface is in a forward motion....doing the best in having airflow going over a teardrop for least resistance.
...and an adjustable airdam under the front valance can help also in reducing drag so that the airflow under a vehicle is slower than the airflow going over the top of it, which will push the vehicle down to the ground instead of wanting to lift the vehicle upward creating large amounts of drag..
Posted by Gerard S. Cohen (Member # 994) on 08-17-2007, 04:13 PM:
I really don't see the point of a "pee cup" truck unless you need it for work, hauling construction or landscaping equipment. You gain load space for rolls of link fencing, lumber, drywall, shrubs & lawnmowers, but lose space for passengers.
Such a vehicle would be a loser in metropolitan areas, where all trucks are forbidden on parkways--as on Long Island, where the main routes East/West, Northern State & Southern State Parkways, for example, are strictly off limits. And where on earth do you find women turned on by a truck?
Posted by Tim Reed (Member # 137) on 08-17-2007, 05:19 PM:
quote: Gerard S. Cohen
where on earth do you find women turned on by a truck?
TEXAS!
Posted by Steve Guttag (Member # 268) on 08-17-2007, 05:27 PM:
The trucks on parkways thing is kinda touchy...They used to define a truck as over 10K lbs for parkways. Vans are definately okay down here as many are used as commuter vans though those without windows normally have "truck" tags. I've never seen any Park Police pull over someone for having a pick up on the parkway...
That said, New York does tend to have their own set of rules however in 2000, Light-Duty Pick Up trucks were allowed to get passenger plates and thus may use New York parkways. BTW...the same holds true for Vans in NY.
Posted by Mike Heenan (Member # 392) on 08-17-2007, 05:28 PM:
I'd have to say anywhere west of NY...
Posted by Jeremy Jorgenson (Member # 2989) on 08-17-2007, 05:40 PM:
quote: Tim Reed
He's got the "WOW" on there
sort of the opposite of debadging, eh?
Posted by Mark Gulbrandsen (Member # 72) on 08-17-2007, 05:48 PM:
Well, Toyotas and Nissans are in reality the Chevy's and Ford's of today.... So I'm not sure what you've actually bought. I'll stick with Land Rover though... you'd get VERY stuck in the muck with that truck at many of the places I go.
One thing we both have going is that we both own vehicles that are going to be the only ones of their type when you come back out of Home Depot... I pity the poor Camry and 4-Runner suckers that come out and there are 12 of the same color and year Camry's and 4-Runners in the Home Depot lot .
At any rate do enjoy it!!
Mark
Posted by Chris Hipp (Member # 1788) on 08-17-2007, 06:16 PM:
I would guess that the point of Richard getting this truck is that he WANTED to get it. Some people like the fact that having a truck limits the number of people asking for rides.
What I don't see is the point of getting online trying to make some guy feel guilty about wanting some enjoyment in his life. Jesus Christ, we know the poor guy is not getting laid, let him have some type excitement in his life.
And for the truck haters...Who is the first person you call when you need to move something? If you can afford to pay a moving company $200 to move a couch for you then great, but most people think of their friend with a truck and try to get them to help them move it. Just because someone has a truck does not mean they want to help you move.
That being said...
Richard, You made a terrible decision. I don't see the point of buying a new vehicle. You should not have spent for than $5k on a vehicle. Not only will you be burdened by higher insurance cost, you will also not be able to get the same resale value that you could have with a used truck. I'm sure you will respond by saying something like "Yeah, well it is my money and my life." That is not a good enough answer for me. You need to start living your life the way I expect you to live it.
For those of you who cannot tell I am joking, about the second part, not the first part.
Posted by David Stambaugh (Member # 1102) on 08-17-2007, 07:27 PM:
Here you go - Everyone pick on me!
Very environmentally unsound.
Allow me to suggest some comments:
"Fueled by the blood of innocent Iraqi civilians"
"Bastard offspring of a common-law union between the worst of Japanese and American capitalist enterprise"
"Nothing but a pimped-up minivan"
"Where's the soccer-mom driver?"
[ 08-17-2007, 11:22 PM: Message edited by: David Stambaugh ]
Posted by Monte L Fullmer (Member # 2797) on 08-17-2007, 07:33 PM:
...to add to this:
"A pimped-up minivan with a horrible center of gravity that asking to be tipped over by a couple of big guys who are Pro-American who hates anything with an Asian name on it."
"This is my FUN machine. My daily driver is a '94 Geo Metro - too broke for $500.00/mo gas payments."
If one is gonna spend bucks on a vehicle like that, should have gone to the moon for a TITAN - if you're a NISSAN buyer..
But, do agree though in buying a truck - go used for lesser ins/vehicle payments (esp for a young person like Richard), for there's ton of them out there with plenty of miles left within them that'll do the same tasks needed as a new one.
Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 08-17-2007, 08:00 PM:
David, I need help moving my couch. Please be at mi casa on Saturday. But not too early, I like to sleep in. In reward for your doing this for me, I will flush the toilet before you go poo so you don't have to worry about my days-old piss splashing up against your ass when the turds drop!
Posted by Rick Hunter (Member # 1606) on 08-17-2007, 08:16 PM:
quote:
Here you go - Everyone pick on me!
...and me.
Posted by Mark Gulbrandsen (Member # 72) on 08-17-2007, 09:32 PM:
Nice snorkle there Rick!! Had it underwater yet?
Mark
Posted by Monte L Fullmer (Member # 2797) on 08-17-2007, 11:08 PM:
Don't think Rick needs to be picked on for being out there in Outback country where you almost have to make up your own roads, he rightfully deserves a LR like that one ...
Don't you love to pick on H2 owners like THIS one?
(can you see Richard driving this RICED out H2 ? Looks like a stagecoach)
-monte
Posted by David Stambaugh (Member # 1102) on 08-17-2007, 11:15 PM:
Monte: Rollovers? Hell, I'm surrounded by high-tech airbags when I'm behind the wheel! And my other car is a bicycle. In fact since I bought this in June I've only put 650 miles on it. Also, the Pathfinder is designed in the US and assembled in the US and contains 60% US-sourced parts, including the engine. Compared to most cars these days, that's practically "Made In USA".
Joe: You can put your urine to good use by saving it in jars and pouring it on your compost pile like people do here in Eugene. That's too extreme for me though.
Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 08-17-2007, 11:48 PM:
I'll keep it in jars, but I'll use it to shower in so I don't have to use water EVER. There's only a few drops of water left in the entire world, after all.
Posted by Monte L Fullmer (Member # 2797) on 08-17-2007, 11:53 PM:
quote: David Stambaugh
Compared to most cars these days, that's practically "Made In USA".
Why, unfortunately, we're seeing prices in inport names just as high as the domestics..being that they're assembled here in the States with inported parts.
(Outdating myself here...) We can remember when Toyotas, Datsuns, Hondas, Subarus and the VW BUG coming across the ponds selling at prices that were tons cheaper than the Big THREE's prices ... and those inports could run circles in quality around their domestic counterparts.
Then came the "Chicken Tax" for each imported pickup - the 25% tariff that was placed on Toyota and Nissan - why these two manufacturers got smart to build factories here in the States to escape that 25% tariff charge on each unit brought in....and the rest is history ..
(Well, if Dave has only stuck 650 miles on the chassis of his NISSAN, he's not endangering the environment..that is definitely called 'casual driving'..and smart in using the bicycle - more healthier that way...)
-Monte
Posted by Chris Slycord (Member # 4239) on 08-18-2007, 12:22 AM:
quote: Monte L Fullmer
more healthier that way...)
Similar to "more happier" or "less richer"?
Posted by Rick Hunter (Member # 1606) on 08-18-2007, 12:59 AM:
quote: Mark Gulbrandsen
Nice snorkle there Rick!! Had it underwater yet?
Mark
Not really, only to bonnet (hood) height.
There is not much call for water crossings in the deserts where I mostly go. When it rains there...you go nowhere as everything turns to red mud and soft salt lakes.
Rick
Posted by Shane Cooper (Member # 2510) on 08-18-2007, 02:28 AM:
quote: Gerard S. Cohen
where on earth do you find women turned on by a truck?
I am pretty sure in Arkansas and most other Southern States, trucks are a requirement. It's not the guy with the sport car that gets the girl, it's the guy with the extended-cab truck!
Posted by Richard Greco (Member # 2032) on 08-18-2007, 03:58 AM:
quote: Chris Hipp
I would guess that the point of Richard getting this truck is that he WANTED to get it. Some people like the fact that having a truck limits the number of people asking for rides.
What I don't see is the point of getting online trying to make some guy feel guilty about wanting some enjoyment in his life. Jesus Christ, we know the poor guy is not getting laid, let him have some type excitement in his life.
And for the truck haters...Who is the first person you call when you need to move something? If you can afford to pay a moving company $200 to move a couch for you then great, but most people think of their friend with a truck and try to get them to help them move it. Just because someone has a truck does not mean they want to help you move.
That being said...
Richard, You made a terrible decision. I don't see the point of buying a new vehicle. You should not have spent for than $5k on a vehicle. Not only will you be burdened by higher insurance cost, you will also not be able to get the same resale value that you could have with a used truck. I'm sure you will respond by saying something like "Yeah, well it is my money and my life." That is not a good enough answer for me. You need to start living your life the way I expect you to live it.
For those of you who cannot tell I am joking, about the second part, not the first part.
Exactly. I wanted a new truck. If I Wanted to haul passengers, I would've bought a Cobalt. I like trucks, always have. And yes, here in the south, women LOVE the trucks.
I have more of a sport truck idea planned for mine. That color, also, happens to be my favorite shade of Blue. I'm extremely happy with it.
It is surprisingly big for it's size too. It is slightly larger than the old S-10.
Posted by Monte L Fullmer (Member # 2797) on 08-18-2007, 04:01 AM:
..like back in the mid 70's - the "Scooby-Doo" Van .. every kid had to have a "Chevy Van" ... Ford or Dodge vans were a distant second to a Chevy Van ..
-Monte
Posted by Brad Miller (Member # 2) on 08-18-2007, 04:35 AM:
You only changed the head unit? Where are the dual 18" subs???
Damn Richard, the girls are going to be disappointed.
![[thumbsdown]](graemlins/thumbsdown.gif)
Posted by Will Kutler (Member # 770) on 08-18-2007, 11:00 AM:
Monte mentioned the "Scooby-Doo Mystery Machine". There was someone in Tucson who actually built an authentic "Mystery Machine" and was driving it around town. Have not seen it in a while, though.
I can turn Richard's truck into a real powerhouse by converting it to small block Ford!
Cheers
K.
Posted by Mike Williams (Member # 1140) on 08-18-2007, 11:38 AM:
I don't think I would have changed out the head unit on a brand new GM vehicle. Don't you get one free year of service with On-Star? Changing the head unit would eliminate that wouldn't it? Was the original head unit that bad?
Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 08-18-2007, 06:12 PM:
Don't forget spinning rims. And a spoiler!
Posted by Richard Greco (Member # 2032) on 08-18-2007, 07:59 PM:
quote: Mike Williams
I don't think I would have changed out the head unit on a brand new GM vehicle. Don't you get one free year of service with On-Star? Changing the head unit would eliminate that wouldn't it? Was the original head unit that bad?
Not when On-Star isn't a standard option in the vehicle. It was a basic head unit. Did it's job, but no Cd Player
Posted by Daryl C. W. O'Shea (Member # 1303) on 08-19-2007, 03:21 AM:
No CD player? I wasn't even aware that you can get a vehicle without a CD player anymore. I know that the manuals for the three 4 or less year old Ford's we have make no mention of radios without a CD player.
Posted by Tim Reed (Member # 137) on 08-19-2007, 11:39 AM:
quote: Joe Redifer
Don't forget spinning rims.
Hey, back when I was driving a truck, I saw a couple of 18-wheelers that had those!
They looked really gay.
Posted by Mark Gulbrandsen (Member # 72) on 08-19-2007, 12:38 PM:
quote:
Real men drive a practical, elegant, and well engineered car. Like this one:
Well, I think that Badge on the front says VW.... If thats the case you may be lucky to be able to find a dealer to take it to for repair in the next year as VW is giving serious consideration to pulling out of the US... My past VW experiences I've always found VW dealers to be absolute assholes.
See SEE THIS LINK
Posted by Bill Enos (Member # 440) on 08-19-2007, 06:05 PM:
Well said Mark. I have an acquaintance who had a Beetle replaced under the lemon law and is in the process of having the replacement replaced similarly. He says than when the next one arrives it'll be sold immediately.
I read the link---they don't have any idea that their cars are being beat out in quality by everybody. If VWs are selling in Europe either the buyers there don't know any better or the Vws sold there are a hell of a lot better than the crap they're sending here.
Over the years many Euro mfgrs have pulled out of the U.S. market--Rover in the late '60s, Renault, Peugeot, Fiat because the products couldn't cut it here.
Posted by Sam Graham (Member # 2889) on 08-19-2007, 06:44 PM:
quote: Monte J Fullmer
Then came the "Chicken Tax" for each imported pickup - the 25% tariff that was placed on Toyota and Nissan - why these two manufacturers got smart to build factories here in the States to escape that 25% tariff charge on each unit brought in....and the rest is history
Actually, the workaround on that tax was to send the trucks over "unassembled" (they flipped the beds over on the frame and attached them here.)
The chicken tax had exactly one adverse effect to pickups...VW's Transporter (the VW Bus pickup version) stopped being sold here because the whole thing was unibody, and they couldn't do that trick with it.
You could buy them in Canada all they way up to the end of the Vanagon's run, but you could no longer buy them here.
PS to Greco...Sweet ride.
Posted by Mark Gulbrandsen (Member # 72) on 08-19-2007, 10:25 PM:
quote: Bill Enos
Over the years many Euro mfgrs have pulled out of the U.S. market--Rover in the late '60s, Renault, Peugeot, Fiat because the products couldn't cut it here.
Well, we just have to hope that the Chineese don't end up with Land Rover.... Nanjing Auto Corp has already bought Power Train Limited which was the maker of the very technologically advanced KV-6 Land Rover Freeelander Engine. KV-6 Engine
Posted by Monte L Fullmer (Member # 2797) on 08-20-2007, 09:59 PM:
Anyone seen the automotive product that these Chinese are putting together lately?
One company wants to come to the States (Geely Motors and a lot of dealers are waiting for the green light to sell this brand) and it just might make a dent in the automotive import market with the quality, economical attributes and price that these vehicles are entrusted with...but no large SUV/LandRover items so far...just subcompact vehicles.
Posted by Tristan Lane (Member # 1169) on 08-21-2007, 02:00 AM:
The same trend happened with the Koren manufacturers in the last ten years.
Hyundai and Kia have both gained quite a bit of business with their long factory warranties and low prices. Although they might not be of the highest quality, the fit and finish of the two past Hyundai vehicles I've owned was much better than the GM vehicles that I swear by. I have never had to take either one of those cars back to the dealership for anything, and I racked up plenty of miles on them doing service in 3 states.
They don't hold their value worth a sh*t, but I feel I have gotten my money's worth out of them.
Honda and Toyota reliability can't be disputed though..........
Posted by Mark Gulbrandsen (Member # 72) on 08-22-2007, 02:53 PM:
quote: Tristan Lane
They don't hold their value worth a sh*t, but I feel I have gotten my money's worth out of them.
I agree somewhat but having been there already but I would never own another Korean vehicle again. The parts will kill you when it does go out of warranty.... and be sure never to buy a used one! I had a KIA Sportage.... I beat the crap out of it in the desert and it still looked decent when I got rid of it... probably more because of the mild climate out here than it was a well built car. It was not without its problems and I could put a long list here. The biggest problem I have with these vehicles is the handling factor and how that correlates into safety. I could care less how bad the car gets damaged in a front end collision at 30 mph... but what about when it rolls over? Even with the airbags and side collision beams you'd probably be crushed or end up with a broken neck or back in many of these cars. My biggest gripe with the KIA was that it was an absolute dog on gravel roads.... never again!
Mark
Posted by Mike Blakesley (Member # 26) on 08-22-2007, 03:12 PM:
I was listening to Car Talk a while ago - some lady called in complaining about how the window motors kept burning out in her Kia. They basically told her, it's a cheap car...therefore it has cheap parts in it. Simple, but a lot of people don't get that. Let the buyer beware.
Posted by Mark Gulbrandsen (Member # 72) on 08-22-2007, 05:04 PM:
I love those car talk guys! They are hilarious sometimes.... Once a lady with a Toyota CRV called in and they determined she need a clutch... one of the guys bursts out laughing and on top of the laugh told her it will cost her two grand to get it fixed.
I never had that window problem.... The windows always worked fine considering that the insides of the doors were probably half full of sand and dust by the time I got rid of it... My Land Rover is also famous for the power windows failing but I have yet to see it. On many vehicles it may be more a moisture related thing... One of the LR parts places has a sale going on for the Electric window mechanisms... The most I've had problems with so far is an $8.00 cruise control switch!
Mark
Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 08-22-2007, 05:20 PM:
The most problems I've had with my Honda so far are..... none! Zip. Zero!
Posted by Mark Gulbrandsen (Member # 72) on 08-22-2007, 06:30 PM:
I had mucho problems with my Honda blowing head gaskets. I sent it to the crusher after the third one.....
Mark
Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 08-22-2007, 06:36 PM:
Well, obviously my Honda is better than yours was. Gets over 40mpg city as well. It's not a hybrid. Hybrids are for pussies.
Posted by Mike Heenan (Member # 392) on 08-22-2007, 08:34 PM:
Zero problems with my Honda either so far. Joe what model do you have, I only get like 20 to 25 mpg
Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 08-23-2007, 12:09 AM:
It's a 2003 Civic EX. Do you drive an automatic? That could account for the low MPG.
Posted by Monte L Fullmer (Member # 2797) on 08-23-2007, 01:17 AM:
quote: Mike Heenan
I only get like 20 to 25 mpg
...sounds like you got it tricked out with an Integra B18CR motor installed, aircan cut up with a K&M Air filter attached, 3inch, cat free exhaust, with a fart tube burping to make the thing for street racing.
Now,that sounds like 20 to 25mpg..and being easy on the gas pedal..
Posted by Mark Gulbrandsen (Member # 72) on 08-23-2007, 09:00 AM:
Richard.... you screwed up really big... there is a car re-appearing that has a much much higher Greco Factor than the truck you bought.... It's probably even available in the same color as your truck...
Fiat 500
Posted by William T. Parr (Member # 677) on 08-23-2007, 09:14 AM:
FIAT... Doesn't that stand for Fix It Again Tomorrow?
Posted by Adam Martin (Member # 641) on 08-23-2007, 09:55 AM:
Does that Fiat come with a pregnant girlfriend?
Posted by William T. Parr (Member # 677) on 08-23-2007, 10:21 AM:
quote: Adam Martin
Does that Fiat come with a pregnant girlfriend?
You know I was thinking the same thing, but after looking at it closely it is the way she is standing and her hips are placed that are playing a mind trick on you.
Posted by Leo Enticknap (Member # 534) on 08-23-2007, 01:53 PM:
I thought it was supposed to stand for Feeble Italian Attempt at Transportation, which certainly squares with my experience of owning one from 1999-2003. The electrics were of very poor quality, and things broke in it (e.g. the starter motor and coil pack) which simply shouldn't in a car of that low mileage. It'll be a chilly day in Hell before I buy another one of those.
quote: Chris Slycord
When in reality, 95% of their driving doesn't involve anything related to camping. The amount of money they save on the car alone (not even including increased gas efficiency) could buy them a few years worth of weekly SUV rentals.
Agreed completely. When some expensive repairs were looming on my Mondeo a couple of weeks ago, I changed it for a newish 1.25 Fiesta (3 years and 24k miles on the clock), and it's a fantastic bargain. No rust anywhere on the bodywork, enough legroom to drive it comfortably and the engine is powerful enough to deal with anything on the roads round here.
I have friends who need a car so little that they don't own one, but rent one for the 5-10 weekends a year they need to do things that just can't be done by public transport, and the cost of that comes in at a tiny fraction of that of car ownership. When I couldn't face a long drive south a few weeks ago, I flew and hired an Audi A140 from Easyrentacar for the couple of days I was I was there for £47, which was only slightly more expensive than two £15 train fares from the airport to Central London and back. If it weren't for the skyrocketing cost and deteriorating reliability of public transport up here, I'd think very seriously about giving up permanent car ownership. After insurance, maintenance, depreciation and everything else, it's amazing how expensive owning a car is before you've even driven it out of the garage.
Posted by Mark Gulbrandsen (Member # 72) on 08-23-2007, 06:38 PM:
I thought they built em for driving around and around and around in those street circle turn-arounds....
Mark
Posted by Michael Schaffer (Member # 1204) on 08-24-2007, 07:00 AM:
Leo - at least they still make cars in Bella Italia, right? I don't think there are still any car manufacturers left in Britain, or are there? I know that must hurt, plus the fact the Italians also play football ("soccer") so much better ![[beer]](graemlins/beer.gif)
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Posted by Leo Enticknap (Member # 534) on 08-24-2007, 08:37 AM:
Nissan in Sunderland;
Toyota in Derbyshire;
Jaguar in the West Midlands, to name but three...
We manufacture 20-30% more cars per year than Italy (source).
Posted by Mark Gulbrandsen (Member # 72) on 08-24-2007, 08:47 AM:
Land Rover is still made at Solihull
Posted by Monte L Fullmer (Member # 2797) on 08-24-2007, 06:07 PM:
Heard that the "SMART" cars are heading over here next year..new.
Now, I know that some of them floated already over here in the last couple of years, but heard that they were used and not adjusted for US regulations..or such.
But, the SMART cars are big in mainland Europa - mainly due to the price of fuel per litre over there...
and as small as they are, but actually a multi web based rollcage on wheels - built to withstand a frontal collision and still protect the occupants.
-Monte
Posted by Mark Gulbrandsen (Member # 72) on 08-24-2007, 08:50 PM:
Ohhhh noooooo.... I wonder if those Smart Cars will be equipped with "Circle Surround"? Now those Panastereo cars will undoubtdly have the best ride emulation!
Mark
Posted by Leo Enticknap (Member # 534) on 08-25-2007, 04:03 AM:
They never really caught on here, probably because they were pretty expensive to buy (even for the price of a 2-3 year old Smart you could have a brand new Fiesta or Clio, say), got a reputation for being unreliable and are effectively useless if more than one person needs to go anywhere (you can just about get two people in one, but forget about any luggage). Fuel economy is slightly better than your average supermini, but at 55mpg ish, no better than one with a diesel engine in it. The only people who bought them were as fashion statements, basically.
Posted by Christian Volpi (Member # 2370) on 08-31-2007, 04:48 PM:
How has this thread managed to make it to 6 pages??
Posted by Monte L Fullmer (Member # 2797) on 08-31-2007, 11:01 PM:
(...and Richard prob wondering on the same thing - on how conversations really drift away from the main topic. But, it goes to show you how many automotive enthuasists there are there that love to talk about the automotive world....)
Posted by Jeremy Weigel (Member # 4208) on 09-01-2007, 01:28 AM:
And since we're so far off topic, here's a pic of my ride. American muscle built with foreign made parts.
Posted by Mark Gulbrandsen (Member # 72) on 09-02-2007, 09:27 PM:
quote: Jeremy Weigel
American muscle built with foreign made parts.
So what you're saying is that they use the new Fiat engine in that car???
Mark
Posted by Paul Trimboli (Member # 1509) on 09-03-2007, 04:40 AM:
And what would be wrong if they used FIAT parts in it? (I read that as sarcasim) I love my Fiats, we own a 1970 Fiat 124 special and a 1978 X1/9. I am thinking very much of buying one of the new 500s, tonnes of features and engine specification you can choose from. You seen the interior Mark, almost the same WOW as my Citroen C4.
Posted by Alan Gouger (Member # 543) on 09-03-2007, 10:51 AM:
Heres my 98 Rover. Mint condition. Sorry for the night pic.
Posted by Mark Gulbrandsen (Member # 72) on 09-03-2007, 11:10 AM:
Nice Alan! Have you ever off-roaded it or did you just buy that to store it away?
quote: Paul Trimboli
You seen the interior Mark, almost the same WOW as my Citroen C4.
And here I thought Citroen had gone out of buisness along with Airbus....
The last time I remember Citroen's being sold in the states was back in the early 70's... Fiat in the early 80's. Fiats pretty much fell apart running around on US roadways.
Mark
Posted by Bill Enos (Member # 440) on 09-03-2007, 01:20 PM:
The Fiats I've had experience with were great fun to drive and had the life expectancy of a gnat, provided they didn't rust to dust before the mechanicals died.
Posted by Monte L Fullmer (Member # 2797) on 09-03-2007, 02:29 PM:
quote:
And here I thought Citroen had gone out of business along with Airbus....
..not even. Citroen one of the hottest European automakers and have one of the greatest lineup of vehicles available. Just too bad this line doesn't come over here to the States anymore.
Citroen's 1960's lineup included their famouse "DS" line, with the example below:
Vehicle was very aerodynamically for it's day, had all disc brakes, adustable hydralic suspension to city to road driving to make it very confortable to drive and be a passenger in due to the placement of the wheel at the corners of the vehicle, and the most unique thing about the "DS" line that the underside of the vehicle was almost completely flat since this vehicle was front wheel drive - to aid in the aerodynamics during travel.
Don't knock the Citroen ... those French knows how to build cars ..
-Monte
Posted by Jeremy Weigel (Member # 4208) on 09-03-2007, 04:19 PM:
quote: Mark Gulbrandsen
So what you're saying is that they use the new Fiat engine in that car???
Nah. Just that the parts are manufactured out of country and assembled over here.
Posted by Mark Gulbrandsen (Member # 72) on 09-03-2007, 04:34 PM:
quote: Monte L Fullmer
Don't knock the Citroen ... those French knows how to build cars ..
I think Inspector Clouseau proved that more than once! The problem over here was parts scarcity and the fact that they rusted away like the Fiats. A friend of mine in Chicago owned a DS back in the early 70's although I don't rermember exactly what year his was... Cool car though....
Mark
Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 09-03-2007, 05:05 PM:
Perhaps this thread should be named "Post pictures of yo ride".
Posted by Mark Gulbrandsen (Member # 72) on 11-17-2007, 08:06 PM:
Just got new BFG tires for the LR today.... Love these so far and in spite of the agressive tread the road noise didn't increase much. Will test the hill handling aspect tommrrow!
Anyone else ever have these on their SUV/Truck?
Posted by Rick Hunter (Member # 1606) on 11-18-2007, 12:03 AM:
quote: Mark Gulbrandsen
Anyone else ever have these on their SUV/Truck?
No but a mate of mine does and gets good mileage out of them.
He rarely gets a puncture although they do no like the stony country of the Pilbra [North West Aust.] and tend to get chewed out a fair bit.
They are fine in sand as long as pressures are lowered.
Mine are a bit more agricultural.
Posted by Mark Gulbrandsen (Member # 72) on 11-18-2007, 08:30 AM:
GEez Rick... looks like you could drive straight up Ayres Rock with those tires! One reason I bought these was on the recommendations of wearability on another thread at another web site...some are getting over 90K miles out of a set and they say they are also very puncture resistant in both the tread and sidewall area. I had two BFG street tires fail this year both out in the middle of the desert and that gets pretty tiresome although the LR jack makes for a very easy and quick tire change <10 minutes! The LR still has excellent cornering abilities although not as spectacular as with the street tires on.
Mark
Posted by Tim Reed (Member # 137) on 11-18-2007, 03:36 PM:
quote: Mark Gulbrandsen
Just got new BFG tires for the LR today.
You can drive?
Posted by Mark Gulbrandsen (Member # 72) on 11-18-2007, 07:49 PM:
Yep!
Posted by Monte L Fullmer (Member # 2797) on 11-19-2007, 02:01 AM:
nice thing about skinney tires is that they can go through mud and snow and hit the hardpan layer for traction, not float above just to sit there and spin down to the hardpan layer.
But, the wide profile ones are great for stability purposes - for cornering and weight distribution especially with vehicles of high center of gravity - being of the wider footprint.
With Rick's tires, they'e definitely made for some serious off roading with the deep and wide angled lugs to bite into the mud and snow and help in any form of needed traction, whereas Mark's tires are for all around on/off-road usage. Yet, I bet tht Rick's tires howl like the banshee on asphalt or concrete pavement.
Granted, more agressive groovework in the case of the tire to bite more than Rick's tires will do,but will fill up quicker with the mud and snow since there is hardly any large exit lanes in the tread for that junk to head out in a hurry.
Mark, did you have your tires siped? (Good set anywho - BF GOODRICH TA's .. prob 255R60/16's on there) You oughta have them done at your local Les Schwab and you'll notice the difference when you're driving the I-15 corridor down into SLC. Siping tires will make them run cooler, have tons more bite in the tread for gripping, plus make them run tons cooler..
-Monte
Posted by Mark Gulbrandsen (Member # 72) on 11-19-2007, 07:48 PM:
Hi Monte,
I had Les Schwab sipe the tires that I had on my Sportage and they were nice but the disadvantage is that when off roading its easier to rip them apart because of the siping. These tires are supposed to have excellent traction in snow and rain as-is. I also have the electronic traction control system in the Landy to boot so I don't expect to ever be at a traction disadvantage. I tried them out up in the mountains yesterday going 7/8's of the way up Bountiful peak... the wife held me back from making the top... the dog had to get out to relieve himself and so on and so forth... I had them through snow, ice, mud and plain ole dry dirt road and no problems at all.
It was pretty darn clear yesterday and the view down into East Canyon and Morgan, Utaw was pretty nice!
Mark
Posted by Jason Black (Member # 684) on 11-19-2007, 10:09 PM:
Mark:
I've had BFG's on 4 different vehicles.. routinely got 50k miles out of them with NO issues at all...
I'm planning on getting a Suburban once I get rid of my current Accord... first thing to happen will be putting a set of 31 x 10.50's on it!..
Posted by Monte L Fullmer (Member # 2797) on 11-20-2007, 02:36 AM:
Good looking scenery up there on the other side of the Wasatch Range..
We had great weather on Sunday as well .. but Monday .. talk about the rain .. which you guys down there will get the white stuff .. then, it'll be the test on your LR - what they're built to do in the first place.
Jason: gonna put a mean lift kit on that Surburban with those big shoes going on there?
thx-Monte
Posted by Mark Gulbrandsen (Member # 72) on 11-20-2007, 06:04 AM:
There are a few suburbans around here that are jacked up... nice and roomy but man, are they gas guzzlers!
The big red Suburban was almost too large to fit on many of the roads east of Stockton Utaw and he scratched the piss pout of the clear coat... Something you may want to think about if you're planning off road stuff!
Posted by Jason Black (Member # 684) on 11-20-2007, 11:55 PM:
31 x 10.50's fit nicely under the fenders without cutting...
Also, no trailriding, to speak off.. I have to have a 4wd SUV for work.. and the 'Burban is what I want.. ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
Posted by Monte L Fullmer (Member # 2797) on 11-22-2007, 02:23 PM:
Since we're bragging about our rigs, have to show my newest invention:
'97 Chev S-10 ExCab, 2wd long bed ... not bad for $5400.00
Just a "City Truck" to haul film, theatre goodies, whatever, and easy for me and the wife to get into - not needing any stools, hoists, stepladders and elevators to get into the cab.
-Monte
Posted by Jason Black (Member # 684) on 11-23-2007, 12:40 PM:
I'd take that 89-90 model K-5 Jimmy/Blazer in the background any day... I had a 90 K-5 Jimmy that I regret selling....
Posted by John Walsh (Member # 168) on 11-26-2007, 08:08 AM:
Had one of these for many years, but it turned back into iron ore ....
Hey, Mark: would you suggest your tires for a Discovery II?
Posted by Mark Gulbrandsen (Member # 72) on 11-26-2007, 12:04 PM:
I worked with a guy at CANON that owned an X1/9... I think his has since been re-claimed by the earth too...
I would highly recommend them on a DISCO... I just haven't tried them on a really icy street though so I can't speak for that. You can ask these guys on the DAP Site if you'd like to... I think they answered my questions pretty well....
Posted by John Walsh (Member # 168) on 11-26-2007, 01:16 PM:
Thanks, Mark; My Disco came with Michelin 4x4 XPC 255/65HR16. The orginals are still on the truck and have 97K miles, but it is getting time for replacement. They wore well, but didn't have that great traction over snow, ice, off road, etc. I'm not really complaining though since they are for "All-Use" and have done OK for just that.
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