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Posted by Brad Miller (Member # 2) on 07-06-2008, 04:12 AM:

Just like the title says, has anyone figured out how to do this and make it work? I couldn't give a flip about ripping and making a dupe of the blu-ray for Freddy Got Fingered. All I am wanting to do is to get 10-20 minutes worth of non-Hollywood-movie video in full definition blu-ray format burned onto a conventional 4.7GB dvd that will play in a deck, such as the Samsung 1400 or the Panasonic DMP-BD30K.

Posted by John Hawkinson (Member # 1135) on 07-06-2008, 06:13 PM:

Such a disc is called a BD5 (single layer) or BD9 (dual layer). I don't have any tips on creating them, but perhaps those terms will help your search.

(HD-DVD also supports this. I've been tempted to get some HD-DVD players just do this cheaply...)

--jhawk

Posted by Brad Miller (Member # 2) on 07-06-2008, 06:33 PM:

If I wanted to use a crappy HD-DVD player, this would indeed be easy. This isn't for a short-term fix though and those players won't last too long in the big picture. Plus its not like I can run out to the store and pick up another.

I've been all through it online, searching, reading and trying (and yes I used BD5 in the search attempts). I was hoping maybe somebody here has done it.

Posted by Leo Enticknap (Member # 534) on 07-07-2008, 06:51 AM:

Is a conventional DVD drive capable of achieving a high enough data transfer rate to play back HD content in real time? For example, if you burn a high bitrate MPEG-2 file (above around 6mbps in my experience) onto a CD-ROM, most drive and PC combinations aren't fast enough to play that content back in real time - you have to copy it to the hard drive.

Posted by Brad Miller (Member # 2) on 07-07-2008, 07:42 AM:

That's not the idea. The idea is to play it back on a desktop blu-ray player.

Posted by John Hawkinson (Member # 1135) on 07-07-2008, 08:23 AM:

The BluRay specification requires that this be supported at the 3x DVD speed. So as long as a conventional DVD player can run at 3x, then yes, the hardware supports this and it is merely a question of software.

--jhawk

Posted by Leo Enticknap (Member # 534) on 07-07-2008, 08:27 AM:

In that case it seems to me that it's down to the model of BR player that Brad will be using. If it can spin the DVD fast enough to read the BR data off it for real-time playback, and if the firmware in the player supports reading a Blu-Ray file structure from a DVD-R, then it should work. I guess it's a case of researching the model of player before buying.

Posted by Bobby Henderson (Member # 840) on 07-07-2008, 10:34 AM:

The only way I could see this idea working really depends on the ability of the Blu-ray player to play non standard content from a DVD-based data disc. I'm skeptical such a DVD-R disc could work with a complete Blu-ray menu structure and load like a Blu-ray movie disc.

I think the main problem is the Blu-ray player will detect the DVD-R media as being DVD and not Blu-ray. Once sniffing out the disc as being DVD, the Blu-ray player may only look for standard DVD-V data (SD quality NTSC or PAL video in MPEG-2) and disregard anything else on the disc.

If the Blu-ray player can be tricked into seeing the disc as a data disc instead of a video disc it might be able to play individual video files if the player has the ability to use DVD data-based discs. The downside is you have no auto-play or user friendly menu structure or any of that stuff. The user has to click an individual video file and play it.

The Playstation 3 can play lots of content from different kinds of discs (provided you store that content in correctly named folders the PS3 can identify). And if something like a 1080p quality movie trailer doesn't play perfectly from an inserted SD card or DVD-R data disc you can copy the file to the internal hard drive for improved playback quality. But I would be surprised if a PS3 could successfully "see" a DVD-R disc loaded with Blu-ray formatted content as being Blu-ray based.

Posted by John Hawkinson (Member # 1135) on 07-07-2008, 10:46 AM:

This is part of the BluRay Disc standard. I don't believe it is optional to implement.

It is not a matter of "tricking" the BD player.

--jhawk

Posted by Scott Jentsch (Member # 1681) on 07-07-2008, 11:24 AM:

Sony just announced upgrades to its Vegas and DVD Architect products that will enable Vegas users to more easily create HD content on Blu-ray:

http://www.sonycreativesoftware.com/vegaspro/bluray

I'm trying to find some information specific to burning HD onto DVD, but so far, all I can find is the mention at the bottom of that page that reads:

quote:
Use DVD Architect Pro 5 software to burn a BDMV high-definition title to standard DVD media. (Requires a Blu-ray player that supports BDMV on DVD).

Here is a question on the Sony forums that says that it's possible:

http://www.sonycreativesoftware.com/forums/ShowMessage.asp?MessageID=601834&Replies=27

After reading through it all, I'd peg your chances at creating a DVD that standalone Blu-ray players can read and play back HD content at a definite "maybe." Be prepared to sink lots of time into experimentation and digging through forums to find out what others have done to get it to work.

Being able to produce HD onto cheap DVD media was one of the strengths of HD DVD that I was really looking forward to playing with... I'm hoping that doing the same with Blu-ray will be successful for you so you can tell us what you found that worked [Big Grin]

Posted by Bobby Henderson (Member # 840) on 07-07-2008, 01:43 PM:

quote: John Hawkinson
This is part of the BluRay Disc standard. I don't believe it is optional to implement.

If that was true then Brad wouldn't be having any problems at all authoring BD-based content on DVD media. He should be able to write a BDMV project onto a DVD-R and have it load in any BD player. Whether it's part of the standard or not, I have a feeling the BD player he's using is seeing a DVD-R disc and only wanting to look for DVD-based material due to the kind of media being loaded.

quote: Scott Jentsch
Being able to produce HD onto cheap DVD media was one of the strengths of HD DVD that I was really looking forward to playing with.

HD-DVD and DVD used similar hardware for mass disc replication, but the discs were different (4.7GB/9.4GB DVD with 10Mb/s max bandwidth versus 15GB/30GB with 30Mb/s max bandwidth). Now if the HD-DVD player didn't care what kind of disc held HD-DVD based content that would be another matter. But the standard DVD media still has its bandwidth and capacity limits to consider.

Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 07-07-2008, 05:51 PM:

For PCs, try downloading and burning this:

http://www.spectracal.com/downloads/video_iso/AVCHD%20RC1.exe

The EXE will extract an ISO. Burn the ISO to your DVD player. You will get a disc that is compatible with Blu-ray players and has some test patterns and whatnot, complete with menu, even on the shitty Samsung! The disc in question is called an AVCDVD.

Posted by Charles Greenlee (Member # 3856) on 07-07-2008, 06:32 PM:

I hate to say it, but I think the best option may just be to rip, reencode and downsample to DVD standard, and burn as a standard DVD. May not be High Def anymore, but at least you get your content. Other than that, not sure. I'll look around as well. I used to be pretty good about burning XSVCDs that'd get damn near DVD quality, but only if you don't mind changing discs every so often. :-\

Posted by Brad Miller (Member # 2) on 07-07-2008, 07:05 PM:

I already tried downloading the file Joe posted when I talked to him last week about this and it played on everything. Problem is we don't know how to author that type of disc. Do note it HAS to have menu navagation functionality. We are using Adobe CS3 software.

Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 07-07-2008, 07:38 PM:

quote: Charles Greenlee
I think the best option may just be to rip

Not trying to rip. Trying to create from scratch with original content.

Posted by Anslem Rayburn (Member # 1267) on 07-08-2008, 03:19 AM:

quote: Brad Miller
I already tried downloading the file Joe posted when I talked to him last week about this and it played on everything. Problem is we don't know how to author that type of disc. Do note it HAS to have menu navagation functionality. We are using Adobe CS3 software.

If AVCHD files played back (like the one Joe linked to, I'm assuming by the file name it's AVCHD), Nero claims to be able to burn DVDs with menus and chapter in that format.

Link

At $100 for the retail box ($65 for the download version) you might want to try their trial version first, but if it works that's not too bad a price.

A search on AVCHD and CS3 brings up a bunch of message boards talking about lack of support. I didn't dig through them, however.

I have no experience burning AVCHD discs, but I thought it was worth mentioning.

Posted by Ron Yost (Member # 1850) on 07-08-2008, 10:39 AM:

How about TMPGEnc MPEG Editor 3?

TMPGend MPEG Editor 3

I haven't used it, but it looks promising. ?? There's a free trial download .. the program itself is $64.95.