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Posted by Jarret Chessell (Member # 5077) on 05-15-2009, 09:05 PM:

I'm not sure if many people on here are into 16mm collection. For those of you that are, I found a cool resource for getting "house trailers". He runs a website (don't get mad at me for posting an external link) http://www.16mmdrive-infilms.com/

What he has done is obtained a bunch of negatives and he's having them printed on new film.

I picked up some stuff from him and I'm pretty happy with them (especially since you don't really know what condition things really are in on auction sites).

So what I got was some house trailers on Kodak film stock.

The quality of what you get seems to depend on the quality of his negative or what he's duping. Some of it had a green tinge (faded negative??) and some of them carried over the warm red. Pretty good dupes considering what you can normal get. Audio was good too. Everything he has is suppose to be open domain too.

Anyways, excellent addition to your collection if you like having backyard movie nights or people over to watch your 16's

Posted by Mike Blakesley (Member # 26) on 05-16-2009, 11:19 PM:

When I was a kid my grandpa had a 16mm sound projector. I have no idea why he got it - I think he was just a gadget freak (I guess that's where I got that trait) and it was a cool new thing, so he had to have it.

I eventually "borrowed" it from him and set it up in my bedroom with a few chairs and created a small "theatre" in there. I used to book movies from Modern Talking Picture Service. I even hand-drew my own monthly calendar and hung it on my bedroom door. I would cajole my parents to "come to the show" and sometimes they even would.

As you can easily tell from this post, I was an even worse nerd as a kid than I am now.

Posted by Monte L Fullmer (Member # 2797) on 05-16-2009, 11:26 PM:

My dad used to be a school teacher when was in kindergarten, he would bring home the school's B&H 16mm (an old 175, dual case model) and we would watch films as a family what the school was showing that day.

I now have 3, 16mm's - 2B&H's and an RCA and a quite of stash of film. Yet, my friend in Boise has a mini theatre setup in his family room at his house-including, booth setup for digital, 16mm, 35mm and old wood back theatre chairs that he's restored.

Quite
Dang! did I get hooked...and what got me into this field

Posted by Jarret Chessell (Member # 5077) on 05-16-2009, 11:57 PM:

I myself didn't get into 16mm until after i had been working in cinemas for a while. I know a lot of folks on here have 35mm setups at home... but I don't have the space in my house and my wife would kill me. I don't mind showing vintage films, and I like having people come over to see it (most of my friends seem to think I just press play on a DVD player all day?!??!). It gives them a taste of film. I do however get a kick out of hearing "why not bring home movies from work and show them on this". The 16mm does make it easy to show inside or outside, and the films don't take up much space to store.
I have a B&H 2585 (which you see in my user pic). I picked up a pretty good ISCO zoom lens for it too.

Posted by Robert E. Allen (Member # 1351) on 05-17-2009, 01:57 AM:

If you really want to talk to 16mm enthusiasts go to www.16mmfilmtalk.com

I've owned six 16mm machines in the last 10 years (B&H & Eiki). Sold them all.

Posted by Paavo Mardi (Member # 4962) on 05-17-2009, 04:24 AM:

I also collect 16mm movies, but they are pretty hard to find now. If I show movies to my friends in open air, I pretty often hear that "Oh, we just throwed away hundreds of films". Years ago there was a state owned distribution company in Estonia. When it was privatized the new owners only cared about real estate which was given to them. Film distribution was discontinued. After a couple of years they throwed out all prints they had. Thousands of 16mm and 35mm prints from all over the world.

Posted by Jarret Chessell (Member # 5077) on 05-17-2009, 08:25 AM:

quote: Robert E. Allen
If you really want to talk to 16mm enthusiasts go to www.16mmfilmtalk.com

I actually tried signing up for that forum once or twice, but they never activated my account [Frown]

I thought Maybe they only want US members?

Most of the 16mm stuff I've acquired is from ebay.

Posted by Bruce McGee (Member # 131) on 05-17-2009, 11:47 AM:

I had a monster 16mm collection until 1999, when 35mm reared its incredibly beautiful head before me. I sold 99% of the 16mm stuff I had, and paid off lots of bills.

The 16mmforum is a great place for enthusiasts. I recommend it.

Posted by Phil Hill (Member # 371) on 05-17-2009, 05:11 PM:

Jarret, I have several 16mm projectors including mag playback/recording projectors and xenon light source ones... and many films... Been collecting 16mm since I was 15...still do, and also collect 35mm for the last 20 years...many, MANY prints!

I wonder if you know about the history of the failures of the nylon worm-gear in your particular model projector? It's a well-known problem of the B&H projectors including your model.

Please email me your full-size/high resolution Film Tech ICON Pic and any other pics of yourself including any nude ones. I promise NOT to spread them around the inet. [Smile]

Posted by Phil Hill (Member # 371) on 05-18-2009, 04:42 PM:

quote: Bruce McGee
The 16mmforum is a great place for enthusiasts.

I totally disagree. The whole site is infested with torch-carrying jerks that will continully harass and force a person to leave and/or defend themselves just cuz the mob perceives certain users are "not on their team" and have different opinions.

While there are some really great and knowledgeable people there, there is also a shitload of MANY asswipes that slam any user that DARE to post an opposing opinion.

What's worse, is the Administrator is total waste and jerk that condones the behavior of the "IN" Click and allows slams of many genuine people including gays, Chistians, and whoever else...

If you feel you must go there, be carefull of what you post and be on guard for the jerks.

I would stay clear of that POS site and the users/people that slam and degrade people.

There are many other BETTER sites available like Brad's 8mm one that also includes 16mm forums.

Posted by Adam Martin (Member # 641) on 05-18-2009, 07:06 PM:

quote: Phil Hill
The whole site is infested with torch-carrying jerks that will continully harass and force a person to leave and/or defend themselves just cuz the mob perceives certain users are "not on their team" and have different opinions.

While there are some really great and knowledgeable people there, there is also a shitload of MANY asswipes that slam any user that DARE to post an opposing opinion.

The same could be said about this forum. [Roll Eyes]

FT 8mm Forum + IMAX

Posted by Brad Miller (Member # 2) on 05-18-2009, 07:37 PM:

And yet the little FT based 8mm/16mm forum just sits and purrs along quietly with everyone happy all the time. I can't even remember the last time there was an argument over there.

Posted by John Wilson (Member # 269) on 05-18-2009, 08:25 PM:

quote: Brad Miller
I can't even remember the last time there was an argument over there.

I think it's because they still have 'signatures' enabled on their forum. [Razz]

Really, we never argue here...do we? [Wink]

Posted by Jonathan Worthing (Member # 803) on 05-19-2009, 09:17 AM:

Yes we do [Mad]

Posted by Phil Hill (Member # 371) on 05-19-2009, 04:28 PM:

quote: Adam Martin
The same could be said about this forum.

Good call ya Brute! [thumbsup]

But in general, the people here are more professional, not as mean and vindictive.

Those on the 16mm forum are a bunch of whiners and witch-hunters that I'm sure smell their fingers after rubbing their crotch.

There is soooo much mis-information spread there by the self-appointed "experts" on that lame site that I need to make a ham sandwich just to get thru it all...

I think Larry, the administrator, tries his best, but he seems to be bullied by the mob-carrying torch group.

Posted by Don Furr (Member # 1469) on 05-19-2009, 08:54 PM:

Ha Ha Phil....STOP...you're killing me [beer]

Posted by Bruce McGee (Member # 131) on 05-31-2009, 11:27 AM:

Phil, you're not doing me any good either!

As for whiners, they are everywhere. I've never had a problem with the 16mmforum, that I can recall.

THIS site is professional, I think.

Posted by Robert E. Allen (Member # 1351) on 05-31-2009, 12:17 PM:

I've been on the 16mm forum for several years and have never seen anyone being less that professional, friendly and enthusiastic.

Posted by Jarret Chessell (Member # 5077) on 06-06-2009, 12:00 PM:

quote: Phil Hill
Please email me your full-size/high resolution Film Tech ICON Pic and any other pics of yourself including any nude ones. I promise NOT to spread them around the inet.

creepy.... lol

I am aware of the worm gear issue. I know mine is cracked because it runs really loud. I was planning on finding replacement parts at some point (my take-up belt needs to be replaced too). I Tried to order some lamps and exciters from magnatech, but after a few emails where I tried to buy some items they didn't seem to want to bother.

I should look into the FT 16mm forum, might be cheaper and less annoying than ebay to get prints [Smile]

Posted by Phil Hill (Member # 371) on 06-06-2009, 04:52 PM:

quote: Jarret Chessell
quote: Phil Hill
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Please email me your full-size/high resolution Film Tech ICON Pic and any other pics of yourself including any nude ones. I promise NOT to spread them around the inet.
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creepy.... lol

You obviously are too new here and have not read older posts to get the joke...

quote: Jarret Chessell
I am aware of the worm gear issue. I know mine is cracked because it runs really loud. I was planning on finding replacement parts at some point (

I hope you're not a dimwit dumbshit by using that projector and risking damaging prints!

There are several gears for sale on eBay and on the Urbanskifilm.com site as well as those that are willing to rebuild that projector.

Posted by Jarret Chessell (Member # 5077) on 06-06-2009, 05:11 PM:

ha ha I am a dimwit dumbshit at times... we all have our moments...

I'm not too concerned about it as far as damage goes, it's a smooth movement. I suspect it's a hairline crack. I'm hoping to get a new one shortly (mostly just to have it run quieter).

I actually sent a request for parts to a company called "KMR Electronics" about an hour or two ago to see if they'll hook me up with what all I want.

And since 16mm is a hobby, I think I'd rather rebuild it myself for entertainment sake. (after paying to ship the thing around I could probably buy a "new" one off ebay anyways).

Posted by Phil Hill (Member # 371) on 06-06-2009, 05:14 PM:

"KMR Electronics" is an honorable dealer...I've done much biz with them over the years...

Posted by Dan Lyons (Member # 1454) on 06-07-2009, 11:23 AM:

KMR is a good place. They had a huge 16mm machine liquidation several years back. I picked up a mint condition Elmo 16CL for $10.00 [thumbsup]

Posted by Damien Taylor (Member # 4255) on 06-07-2009, 12:09 PM:

Anyone know if anyone still does belts for an ampro stylist, she be slipping like a bee-arch.

Posted by Tim Reed (Member # 137) on 06-07-2009, 09:40 PM:

Okay, I'm slowly sliding back into 16mm film collecting. I still have a B&H 1574 from long ago, but some of the xenons I've seen on the Urbanski site look damned good to me.

So, what do you guys like for a good portable 16mm xenon (500-watts or so)? Eiki? Elmo? What's the best one out there?

Posted by Steve Guttag (Member # 268) on 06-08-2009, 12:14 PM:

Elmo CX-550...amazing light for its size.

Steve

Posted by Mitchell Dvoskin (Member # 751) on 06-08-2009, 01:17 PM:

What Steve just said.

1. Elmo CX-550
2. Elmo CX-350
3. Elmo CL Deluxe Xenon (250 watt Xenon)

Posted by Tim Reed (Member # 137) on 06-08-2009, 02:36 PM:

Great! Thanks, guys. [Smile]

Posted by Jarret Chessell (Member # 5077) on 06-09-2009, 07:17 AM:

So I got a reply back from KMR Electronics...
He suggests that I shouldn't try replacing the worm gear and bearings without the alignment tools. I was just curious if anyone one had experience with this? (on a B&H 2585)

Posted by Scott Norwood (Member # 30) on 06-09-2009, 07:55 AM:

My understanding is that the worm gear is difficult to replace, anyway, and that you really do need the alignment tools to re-assemble the machine properly. KMR can probably do the repair, as they seem to have some knowledgable 16mm technicians there. International Cine can also do this. I'm not sure who the "official" B&H service provider is now.

You might be better off just buying one of the NOS B&H machines that International Cine is selling on Ebay or buying a good, used Elmo and replacing the rubber rollers (which can turn to goo if the machine is stored somewhere hot).

Posted by Stephen Furley (Member # 1277) on 06-09-2009, 08:52 AM:

quote: Jarret Chessell
So I got a reply back from KMR Electronics...
He suggests that I shouldn't try replacing the worm gear and bearings without the alignment tools. I was just curious if anyone one had experience with this? (on a B&H 2585)

I've replaced a Bell & Howell worm just once, probably about ten years ago now. It was on a Magnaflex, which is a double band conversion of the TQ1 which somebody, I can't remember who, used to produce. This made it somewhat worse than doing a standard machine, but it took me several days of fiddling about, trying to work out how to dismantle the thing, just about everything seems to have to come out to get the worm out, and then to get everything set up correctly without the alignment tools. I wouldn't really recommend doing it, unless you had no alternative; it was something of a nightmare.

Posted by Damien Taylor (Member # 4255) on 06-10-2009, 02:54 AM:

I've got a couple of mid-vintage B&H's one with a cracked, and one with an absent worm. Tried to poke around on the TQ1, it is impossible, like Stephen said, everything has to come out. Decided to just sell or trash the two projectors and keep the Ampro Stylist. The main tradgedy of getting rid of 2 B&H's is that I can no longer make the stupid projector joke to friends. "This is Bell, and this is Howell" Har-dee-har.

Posted by Jarret Chessell (Member # 5077) on 06-10-2009, 08:28 AM:

I'm a little tossed up on what I want to do. I sent another email to KMR asking what they would suggest, and they said either try to find someone around here that can service it, or send the projector to them. I have a feeling shipping it that far and back will easily exceed to value of the projector. It took me a fair bit of time to locate the projector I do have. I guess I'll just keep an eye on kijiji for a while and see if i can get an elmo or maybe a B&H in better shape (then at least I'd have spare parts).

Posted by Damien Taylor (Member # 4255) on 06-10-2009, 10:17 AM:

Keep in mind that any original worms still in existance will eventually die, due to the very nature of the plastic used. Its best to get the replacement over and done with on a projector you are happy with now.

Posted by Jarret Chessell (Member # 5077) on 06-10-2009, 10:34 AM:

This might be my luck...

Someone posted an elmo 16-cl on kijiji in a city nearby. $60 bucks. He says it's in good order.... Maybe this would be better for hobby 16?? (I have an ISCO lens in my B&H which uses an adapter, i could likely get an adapter for the elmo?)

I've also read online that some collectors avoid B&H as they make more contact with the film than other portables.

Does anyone have any opinions on this projector? Is it easier to service if i do have problems?

Posted by Stephen Furley (Member # 1277) on 06-10-2009, 01:09 PM:

quote: Damien Taylor
Keep in mind that any original worms still in existance will eventually die, due to the very nature of the plastic used.

The later worms are machined from solid grey plastic, nylon I think, and are quite different to the earlier ones which have a thin white plastic shell over an aluminium core. It is this thin plastic shell which splits, and there shouldn't be a problem with the later ones. Of course, if you find a new old stock worm from somewhere of he old type, or even a secondhand one, then it will probably eventually fail in the same way.

Posted by Brian Guckian (Member # 1678) on 06-10-2009, 03:39 PM:

quote: Jarret Chessell
I've also read online that some collectors avoid B&H as they make more contact with the film than other portables.

Does anyone have any opinions on this projector? Is it easier to service if I do have problems?

It's a bit of a muchness in both respects. I did shows with a trusty B+H 2592 for years and never had a problem - ever! In fact I always thought the design of machines like the Bauer P6 was far more liable to induce print scratching etc. than anything made by B+H.

You could purchase the Elmo, but what if it develops a pre-amp problem or something more complex than a simple mechanical problem? You'd be back to square one.

There must be someone in Canada still servicing 16mm machines surely? Could you rail or roadfreight your existing machine to them (cheaper than airfreight)?

What about PM'ing Gordon McLeod who posts here...if he can't help you then no-one can! [Cool]

Posted by Damien Taylor (Member # 4255) on 06-10-2009, 07:03 PM:

quote: Stephen Furley
The later worms are machined from solid grey plastic

By any chance do you remember the changeover year or model Stephen?

Posted by Jarret Chessell (Member # 5077) on 06-10-2009, 10:43 PM:

I could ask Gord... He does seem awfully busy these days...

I'm sure someone can fix it in canada, but the trick is figuring out who. Perhaps even someone on here???

In the mean time, I do have a back up solution.

*Sits in the corner playing with his ViewMaster*

Posted by Stephen Furley (Member # 1277) on 06-11-2009, 02:59 AM:

quote: Damien Taylor
By any chance do you remember the changeover year or model Stephen?

No, sorry. I don't know if the solid worms were ever fitted as original equipment, I've only ever seen them fitted as replacements. The problem type were fitted from new in the first generation of 'new' type Bell & Howell machines, i.e. the ones with the large diameter lens mount. I think these were introduced in about 1960 ish. Over here they would be the 642 and similar series, but I think the models, or at least the model numbers, were different over there. These were the ones with 750W or 1000W straight tungsten lamps and valve (vacuum tube) amplifiers. They were also fitted in the similar-looking TQ1 series with halogen lamps and the 666a (I think it was 566 or something similar over there) with GE Marc 300 lamps. I've only ever seen one TQII, and that had an old-style worm. I've never used, or seen the inside of, a TQIII.

Posted by Tim Reed (Member # 137) on 06-11-2009, 09:22 PM:

quote: Stephen Furley
The later worms are machined from solid grey plastic, nylon I think, and are quite different to the earlier ones which have a thin white plastic shell over an aluminium core. It is this thin plastic shell which splits, and there shouldn't be a problem with the later ones.

I wonder how much it would cost to have Lavezzi make a bunch of these?

Posted by Mark Gulbrandsen (Member # 72) on 06-11-2009, 09:47 PM:

quote: Tim Reed
I wonder how much it would cost to have Lavezzi make a bunch of these?

More than it would be worth! 1-6, 7-12, 12-24... and so on it gets cheaper the more they make for you. However a place like Stock Drive Products also does do custom gear manufacture and they've always been reasonable. It's a part that these days would be moulded around a metal insert hub...

Mark

Posted by Tim Reed (Member # 137) on 06-22-2009, 09:22 PM:

quote: My pal Phil
there is also a shitload of MANY asswipes that slam any user that DARE to post an opposing opinion. [snip] There is soooo much mis-information spread there by the self-appointed "experts"

Ever notice how many collectors, who aren't otherwise associated with the film business, blindly kiss-ass to sellers/dealers? Just because someone happens to own a bunch of prints does not make him an expert.

Posted by Jarret Chessell (Member # 5077) on 07-18-2009, 09:30 PM:

16mm at its finest!

Myself and fellow Film-Tech member Victor Liorentas performed an outdoor presentation last night with our B&H projectors (A 2585 & 2592 with anamorphic attachments). This is a great way to follow up a BBQ and to have a camp fire after (and lots of beer the whole time). The audience was given a great movie experience as well.

I encourage others to plan events like these to raise interest in film and projection.

What a great way to have a Friday night in July!

Posted by Jonathan Althaus (Member # 5042) on 07-18-2009, 09:47 PM:

Sounds awesome, but i just can't get past the idea of a campfire outside in July here in Texas.

Posted by Paul Mayer (Member # 355) on 07-19-2009, 04:00 PM:

That photo sure brings back some memories! Used to do the same thing in the '70's (in the back yard like in your photo during the nice times of the year; in the living room otherwise). The machines I had access to back then were either B&H 567s or JANs. Also occasionally used my school's Kalart Victor 15-70s. All those machines were set up to run 'scope, 1.37, or 1.85. Fun times!

Posted by Jarret Chessell (Member # 5077) on 07-20-2009, 12:35 AM:

We needed a campfire for sure that night (I think we were still putting wood on and having beers until 2:30am). It was pretty cool too for July, dipped down to 12 degrees C, or about 54 F for you southern folks.

I do hope it makes some memories for the people who came. I think changeovers and film make for a real genuine film experience. The trouble is finding mainstreamish 16mm films to get people to come out.

Posted by Phil Hill (Member # 371) on 08-03-2009, 04:40 PM:

Posted by Ben Wales (Member # 92) on 08-03-2009, 04:58 PM:

I still use my trusty Bell & Howell TQ1, in fact I have a pair and both had new Worm Gears and changed to a QI 250w Lamp.

I still use one for Race Nights where I screen a 4min short film that is selected and people place bets on 8 Horses/Dogs before it is screened.

Several years ago, I had seen some new Worm Gears for Sale at the BFCC (Film Fair) in Ealing London

Posted by Jarret Chessell (Member # 5077) on 08-03-2009, 09:17 PM:

Phil, I really like that picture, thanks for putting that up.

It seems like goofy might be a bad choice as a film handler... they should re-introduce similar cards for inserting into film cans for inexperienced people to see "Please re-attach heads and tails by splicing them to the appropriate reel... yadda yadda"...

You'll also notice in my film-tech picture, I am holding a cloth for cleaning out my projector between shows... I also have a beer ready to help me focus the film as well.

Posted by Wayne Keyser (Member # 2420) on 08-03-2009, 09:58 PM:

Y'all will probably disagree, but I always strongly preferred my old Kodascope Pageant 7k2. It wore like iron, easy to thread, and had no "quirks" at all.

I was never fond of Bell & Howells at all (especially those impossible-to-thread automatic-threading ones every school seemed to have).

Posted by Joe Tommassello (Member # 4632) on 08-04-2009, 04:19 PM:

Wayne - we called them "auto-shredders".

Posted by Kenneth Wuepper (Member # 1174) on 08-04-2009, 06:02 PM:

Wayne,

I always loved the Kodak machines. The claw assembly was designed to wear without needing much attention other than framing.

Our school district had RCA machines. My old high school had Ampro machines and I worked for the company that serviced them. They were also very rugged and very serviceable.

The Bell & Howell machines were the favorites of the touring travel lecturers. Mostly because of the Xenon light sources and the ability to handle splices.

KEN

Posted by Jon Miller (Member # 163) on 08-04-2009, 10:01 PM:

quote: Paul Mayer
Also occasionally used my school's Kalart Victor 15-70s.

You mean 70-15s?

The 70-15 had to be my favorite, mainly due to its bass-ackward threading path. If you could learn to thread a 70-15 correctly (or, for that matter, any Victor from the beginning of time through the 80-series models, not the boring slot-threading 90-series units), you could learn to thread just about any other 16mm projector. And keeping a show running when the take-up spring belt comes undone, by manually spinning the takeup reel, is a real test of mettle, something I've experienced a few times in my junior-high-school A-V geek days.

Fun machines, those Kalart-Victors. [thumbsup]

Posted by Jarret Chessell (Member # 5077) on 08-05-2009, 10:23 AM:

I need to replace the take-up belt on my B&H. I think humidity has a factor in it. Sometimes it works great, other times I end up having to spin the reel by hand to make sure it winds up tight enough that it will actually fit onto the take-up reel. Inspection of my belt would suggest that it's way too smooth now. I think given the choice i'd rather spin a platter for two hours rather than hand spin a take-up reel for a 2000' 16mm reel for an hour. But alas, it's party of the experience!

Posted by Mark Lensenmayer (Member # 134) on 08-05-2009, 10:29 AM:

You knew were a REAL 16mm operator when you were given a 2000' film and only a 1600' take-up. Nursing that extra film was much fun. Doing the rewind without spilling the film was the really fun part.

Posted by Jarret Chessell (Member # 5077) on 08-05-2009, 10:56 AM:

I always try to have 2 spare 2000' reels on hand before i show something with an audience (I don't want to have to run into my house to my rewind bench to empty a reel between reels). I did buy one movie that gave me a bit of a surprise, someone had condensed 5 reels (2 1/2 hours) onto one 2000' and two 2200' reels. (I had no other 2200' reels). I ended up breaking it down onto the original five reels and put them on 1600' reels without difficulty. If I didn't have the spare time and I had to show it immediately i'm sure it wouldn't have gone well.

Posted by Robert E. Allen (Member # 1351) on 08-05-2009, 04:57 PM:

A few months ago I sold an Eiki 1510 modified to run 6000' reels. Shipping killed me and I sold it at a loss ($260 UPS from Oregon to Michigan). I miss it already.

Posted by Paul Mayer (Member # 355) on 08-05-2009, 09:24 PM:

Oops. Dyslexic memory settling in. I am getting old. [Big Grin]

Posted by Jarret Chessell (Member # 5077) on 09-08-2009, 11:38 PM:

I just successfully changed the worm gear in my B&H 2585.
I chatted with a gentleman at KMR on the phone the other week. I had to wait for the parts to come in, but he was very helpful with instruction.

Very time consuming, took most of the day to figure out how to take it apart, and almost as long to reassemble. I had to take one trip to canadian tire in the middle too (also consumed nearly 2L of coke in the process).

So now I have a brand new worm gear, drive belt & take up belt. She runs fairly quiet now too.

Posted by Jarret Chessell (Member # 5077) on 09-15-2009, 11:32 AM:

Just for bragging rights....
The following pictures are graphic and are intended for a mature audience, viewer discretion is advised.

So anyways, anyone thinking of doing this on their own... it's definitely a pain in the butt. if you reassemble it correctly, it's almost impossible to bugger up the shutter timing. The only thing you can really bugger up is the upper and lower feed sprocket positions... the bottom feed sprocket being more delicate as you have very little play either way to stop the film from hitting something. I had to tweak mine a little, but I accomplished this by loading some film in (preferably some you don't care about or just scrap stuff), and seeing how your movement looks. Upper and lower sprockets have two set screws you can back off on the internal side to fine tune them. I'm certain that the film is running smoother than before I took it apart. new worm gear is sexy too. ten times quieter. [Smile]

I have some other tips if anyone tries to do the same thing...

Posted by Victor Liorentas (Member # 5272) on 09-15-2009, 02:08 PM:

I will never look at my Bell and Howell the same again!

Posted by Phil Hill (Member # 371) on 09-19-2009, 03:03 PM:

GREAT JOB, Jarret! Kudos to you!

Posted by Jarret Chessell (Member # 5077) on 10-10-2009, 06:22 PM:

Does anyone by chance happen to have a manual for a Prevost 16mm cinema projector? I couldn't find anything on google. It doesn't appear to have a model number in the usual Prevost stamping area.

Posted by Steve Guttag (Member # 268) on 10-10-2009, 09:10 PM:

The P-16? We might have one.

Steve

Posted by Jarret Chessell (Member # 5077) on 10-10-2009, 09:14 PM:

the lamp house says "HX 571" if that helps. It appears to be wired to run on 208V if that makes a difference.

Thanks Steve

Posted by Monte L Fullmer (Member # 2797) on 10-10-2009, 10:25 PM:

Can you still find shuttle assemblies for B&H and other machines?

Posted by Jarret Chessell (Member # 5077) on 10-10-2009, 11:23 PM:

Monte,

I didn't replace my shuttle assembly, however, KMR electronics did have every part I requested (worm gear, drive belt, take-up belt...). I believe they have a majority of the parts. I communicated with a fellow named John who was most helpful and gave me advice on the maintenance.

KMR Electronics

I did find the shuttle assembly annoying when I had to pull it to replace the worm gear.

Hopefully this is of help.

Posted by Jarret Chessell (Member # 5077) on 11-07-2009, 01:09 PM:

does anyone know what oil I can use in this 16mm prevost bad boy?

Also, since I can't find any wire schematics... It has a motor on the top reel arm for rewinding, I have no clue how to wire it back in, would the world be a better place if I took an upper reel arm from a 35mm projector that uses spring tension and modded it on?

Posted by Steve Guttag (Member # 268) on 11-07-2009, 09:45 PM:

I did locate our P16 manual...I have not had time to scan it though....sorry. I didn't check to see if there were any schematics.

Steve

Posted by Jarret Chessell (Member # 5077) on 11-27-2009, 06:50 PM:

Okay, so back to the P16... I'm stuck on what to put in it for oil. It uses an oil pump to more or less soak everything, but the catch is that the upper feed sprocket is attached to a belt, which will also be drenched in oil. I don't want to wreck the belt so I should use: (Insert answer here).