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Posted by Clint Koch (Member # 1179) on 06-10-2009, 10:44 PM:

Joe Satriani: Guitars
Chad Smith: Drums
Micheal Athony: Bass
Sammy Hagar: Vocals

Dics just came out.

If you like Rock & Roll you may want to check them out.

Posted by Allison Parsons (Member # 2728) on 06-10-2009, 11:07 PM:

I haven't heard this yet, but we were surprised at the store to find out that the cover is heat sensitive. And so is the LP. Hopefully that gimmick isn't the only good thing about the cd...

Posted by Chad Souder (Member # 343) on 06-11-2009, 12:49 AM:

So a bunch of aging guys without jobs get together to form what should be a "super group" in an effort to make some more cash? Anyone remember Damn Yankees? I'm not too excited. The Hagar years of Van Halen were unimpressive, as was his solo work, nobody has ever accused Michael Anthony or Chad Smith of being great at what they do and Joe Satriani, while a very talented guitarist, has just never been a good song writer. I'm guessing their album consists of a few rockin tunes with some dirty innuendos, a couple power ballads and something that is so deep and meaningful and important it just might change the world... Basically, it should be a typical Van Hagar record. I'll likely pass.

Posted by Monte L Fullmer (Member # 2797) on 06-11-2009, 12:51 AM:

Dang, the "Red Rocker" is out of his cage again...hope he can still "Drive 55" after "The Waboritas"

David Lee Roth was "van Halen" - Haggar was a distant second.

Posted by Dennis Benjamin (Member # 1137) on 06-11-2009, 05:52 PM:

quote: Clint Koch
Dics just came out.

Quite a typo there.

Being a fan of Joe Satriani, I will take a listen to this.
My guess is that with these 'harsh economic times', they gotta pay some bills. Especially the ones who haven't worked in a while.

Posted by Chris Slycord (Member # 4239) on 06-11-2009, 11:13 PM:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HX-OwmvuBjA

Me like. I'm gonna pick up a copy.

Posted by Chad Souder (Member # 343) on 06-12-2009, 01:20 AM:

Ugh, that song sounds like someone put a quarter in the Hasbro My First Rock Song machine and this is what it spit out. I lost count of how many times Sammy screams after about 7. Or maybe I nodded off. Is it 1985 already?

Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 06-12-2009, 01:26 AM:

Joe Satriani isn't out of work. He is almost always touring.

Posted by Bobby Henderson (Member # 840) on 06-12-2009, 11:12 AM:

Satriani is one hell of a player, but I think he did his best work on Surfing with the Alien roughly 20 years ago.

The name "chickenfoot" is sort of funny. At least they didn't call their band camel toe.

Posted by Mike Blakesley (Member # 26) on 06-12-2009, 03:06 PM:

There's another "super"group out there too: Tinted Windows. It features Cheap Trick's drummer, Bun E. Carlos, and Taylor Hansen (from the band Hansen) on vocals, James Iha (Smashing Pumpkins) on guitar and Adam Schlesinger (Fountains of Wayne) on bass. If you like Cheap Trick's style of music you might like this.

http://www.tintedwindowsmusic.com for some sound samples.

Posted by Clint Koch (Member # 1179) on 06-12-2009, 08:52 PM:

Chad,

Exuseme me, maybe you might try and listen to them before you spout off...

quote: Chad Souder
So a bunch of aging guys without jobs get together to form what should be a "super group" in an effort to make some more cash? Anyone remember Damn Yankees? I'm not too excited. The Hagar years of Van Halen were unimpressive, as was his solo work, nobody has ever accused Michael Anthony or Chad Smith of being great at what they do and Joe Satriani, while a very talented guitarist, has just never been a good song writer. I'm guessing their album consists of a few rockin tunes with some dirty innuendos, a couple power ballads and something that is so deep and meaningful and important it just might change the world... Basically, it should be a typical Van Hagar record. I'll likely pass.

None of them need the money. Maybe you should look into it before you spout your GOD like opinion.

Have you even heard to the disc?

[ 06-12-2009, 09:02 PM: Message edited by: Adam Martin ]

Posted by James Westbrook (Member # 3690) on 06-12-2009, 09:09 PM:

The group seems to be making Clint type like Yoda talks, so I checked it out.
Quite good.
This is what I refer to as "freeway music", the type of rock which makes good "background" for driving down I-40 in Oklahoma City (while listening to KATT) or Central or LBJ in Dallas (while listening to the ZOO). During the 80s, of course, when the ZOO (The ZEW?) existed and KATT dominated rock radio, when the music and the broadcast signals were quality.
(sighhhhh...)

Posted by Chad Souder (Member # 343) on 06-14-2009, 06:10 PM:

quote: Clint Koch
Have you even heard to the disc?

I think I know what you're asking. I have listened to the entire album - at least 30 seconds of each song that iTunes and Amazon has as samples. I'm certainly not going to pay for any of the songs from what I've heard thus far and I disagree with illegal song downloading and literally nobody I know has bought it, so I don't have a disc to listen to. Youtube does have a couple complete songs. The first single released to radio, "Oh Yeah" is getting no play time on our local rock stations, so that's not helping either.

And to show what I was talking about...

Rockin' tunes with dirty stuff in them: Soap on a Roap, Sexy Little Thing, Down the Drain, Oh Yeah, probably more
Power Ballads: Learning to Fall (I think the only one on the album surprisingly)
Something deep and meaningful and important: Future in the Past (not 100% sure of this title - their website has it this way but Amazon and iTunes both have it as "Future is the Past" and it sounds like he's saying "Future's in the Past" so who knows. Regardless, it sucks.

Oh look! They turned the K around backwards on their album cover! How cool and different! Look, if you like it, great. More power to you. And no, I don't know if they really need money or not. To me, it's just not good music. If mediocrity was a crime, these guys would all be on the lam after putting out this album.

Posted by Chris Slycord (Member # 4239) on 06-15-2009, 01:53 AM:

quote: Chad Souder
And no, I don't know if they really need money or not. To me, it's just not good music.

And to me, you judged them as being losers who are desperate for money with knowing little to nothing about the members.

And with juxtaposing the mention of money along with you saying it's not good music, it seems like you're trying to say "I thought they needed the money because these songs suck so much" when in reality you made the money claim before having listened to any of the songs.

Posted by Pravin Ratnam (Member # 1417) on 06-15-2009, 07:59 AM:

More power to you if you enjoy this.
But I gotta agree with Souder. This disc sounds like bland crap. I listened to all the samples on Amazon and checked out the youtube link for Soap on a Rope. I wouldn't even call this passable entertainment. This is the kind of generic stuff that led to the death of 80s rock in the 90s. Hell, I wouldnt even listen to this stuff on the car radio because I would fear falling asleep on the road.

Maybe if I was in a bar , and some no name band played this music, i may consider this ok ambient music. Or I may just ask the band to quiet down and just do some covers of better songs.

Sammy Hagar shouldn't do music after he turns 55.

The perfect description for this album: If you made a compilation of filler songs that populated many rock albums in the 80s, this is it. There is not one song that would be non-filler level.

Posted by Dennis Benjamin (Member # 1137) on 06-15-2009, 08:51 AM:

Took a listen to most of the songs on the disc.

Not really the type of music that I am into. I outgrew this stuff when I arrived into my early twenties.

I am always looking for music with more substance. Musically and Lyrically.

Don't get me wrong - I'll always be a Joe Satriani fan, just not a Chickenfoot fan.

I do like the fact that they took the peace symbol and referred to it as a 'chickenfoot'. Now every time I see a peace symbol on the back of someone's car - I will just think of a 'chickenfoot'.

I am really liking the new "Mars Volta" disc (due out soon). Also, I have just recently become a "Dream Theater" fan. Progressive Rock has more to offer....

Anyways.....
[Razz]

Posted by Chad Souder (Member # 343) on 06-15-2009, 12:57 PM:

Well said Pravin. Filler is indeed a good description.

Posted by Chad Souder (Member # 343) on 06-19-2009, 08:45 PM:

quote: Mike Blakesley
Tinted Windows. It features Cheap Trick's drummer, Bun E. Carlos, and Taylor Hansen (from the band Hansen) on vocals, James Iha (Smashing Pumpkins) on guitar and Adam Schlesinger (Fountains of Wayne) on bass.

Iha is also credited as being part of the latest installment of Perfect Circle. That band has had some crazy good songs but has changed several members. I'm not sure what the definition of supergroup really is, but if they qualify, I think Perfect Circle is the best one currently going.

Posted by Bobby Henderson (Member # 840) on 06-20-2009, 01:58 AM:

I really liked the first album from A Perfect Circle, Mer de Noms. But after that I just kind of reverted to listening to whatever new release from Tool hit the shelves.

Posted by Alan Gouger (Member # 543) on 06-20-2009, 09:40 AM:

quote: Dennis Benjamin
I am really liking the new "Mars Volta" disc (due out soon). Also, I have just recently become a "Dream Theater" fan. Progressive Rock has more to offer....

I have recently seen Mars Volta only once on TV in HD. Never having seen them or heard of them before I thought they were interesting, Talented. Their songs were all over the place but I enjoyed what little I saw. Most important they held my attention & I could tolerate them longer then Dream Theater. DT being made up of musicians musicians = boring. I mean who isn't a musician these days. My corner gas station attendant plays unreal guitar. Just my 2cents but every DT album sounds the same. I remember hearing an interview before the release of their latest album with the Guitar player saying ( as if its top secrete ) they cannot give any hints but it will be completely different...listening to XM radio months later I heard a song without any introduction & I immediately knew who it was...yes their new album = boring ( After the 3rd 20 minute song I had to turn it off. Great talent "no doubt" ( hey theres a name for a band ) but to mechanical and predictable for my taste.

Posted by Chris Slycord (Member # 4239) on 06-20-2009, 09:57 AM:

Every DT album sounds the same? Sounds like you've heard only a little bit of their work at best. Falling into Infinity sounds little like Train of Thought, for instance.

Posted by Alan Gouger (Member # 543) on 06-20-2009, 10:56 AM:

quote: Chris Slycord
Sounds like you've heard only a little bit of their work at best

Not being a fan that is possible. My exposure to the band comes mostly from what ever air play has earned them over the years which for me Ive heard quit often.
Personally I could never stay awake listening to anyone of their entire albums but thats just me, no offense to those who like them.
I also find their live performance just as boring having viewed a few of their concerts on HD Net.
In an interview with "Petrucci" he complained the lack of woman showing up to their concerts, I would attribute that to the band only showcasing its technical proficiency at its shows that only other musicians could appreciate/relate over any one extended period of time.
Talented none the less.

Posted by Chad Souder (Member # 343) on 06-20-2009, 11:13 AM:

quote: Bobby Henderson
But after that I just kind of reverted to listening to whatever new release from Tool hit the shelves.

Tool is one of my favorite bands ever, but unfortunately between Perfect Circle, Puscifer, contributions to other bands and his love of wine, Maynard's allotted time has Tool on the "one album every 5 years" schedule. As a greedy fan, I want new stuff every year and I want it all to be good. Tool's attention to detail and standard of excellence on all their songs is almost unmatched, and I would never complain about excellent quality control standards, I just wish they would make new music more often.

Now if you really want to get into wishes, I wish the Tapeworm project had never died. Combining two of my favorite modern song makers, that "supergroup" had the potential to be legendary.

Posted by Bobby Henderson (Member # 840) on 06-20-2009, 05:19 PM:

It would be nice to see more albums from Tool more often. The band was a little more prolific in the late 1990s. Since then fans have been stuck in a holding pattern waiting.

Tool's 10,000 Days CD was pretty cool. Pretty nifty packaging with the 3D photos and stereoscopic glasses built into the case. That's something no one is going to get merely buying AAC files off iTunes. My only complaint is the sleeve containing the CD. Not kind at all to the playing surface of the CD. I made a backup of the disc and used that instead of moving the original disc in and out of that sleeve.

Posted by Chad Souder (Member # 343) on 06-22-2009, 12:41 AM:

Back to the original topic, in 2003, Rolling Stone did a list of the 100 Greatest Guitarists Of All Time . Joe Satriani didn't make the list.

Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 06-22-2009, 11:41 AM:

A crapload of people didn't make that list. It's friggin' Rolling Stone of all things, so who cares?

Posted by Chris Slycord (Member # 4239) on 06-22-2009, 12:45 PM:

You also have to consider that Rolling Stone magazine disagrees with itself regularly with these lists. Like one time, they had a list of the 50 best artists and another of the 50 best hard rock bands (both published at the same time). And at the time, Led Zeppelin was the top Rock Band with Beatles at #2 and the Beatles were top of the artists list with Led Zeppelin not on the list at all.

Whereas they made a more recent list that had Led Zeppelin in the top 50 for best artists. They seriously can't make up their mind.

It's like how Blender rated an Insane Clown Posse album as a 3/4 then later put the same album as #1 in their list of "Worst Albums of the Year."

Posted by Chad Souder (Member # 343) on 06-22-2009, 03:25 PM:

I could see the lists varying depending on who is doing the list making. This list seems to favor a guitarist's innovation and influence on music as well as their ability to make their playing sound good in a song, not just their pure ability. Perhaps that is why Satriani was snubbed. In my opinion, most of his stuff is just dazzling guitar work, but they don't stand alone as good songs. Who do you guys think should be removed to make room for Satriani?

Posted by Chris Slycord (Member # 4239) on 06-22-2009, 10:31 PM:

Personally, I don't think Kirk Cobain should be on the list, let alone be #12. And while I actually like his playing and quite good writing, I don't think Jack White's been around long enough to be in the top 20 all-time.

Though I'll admit that this list seems to be better compiled than most lists that Rolling Stone makes. On the other hand, the list seems pretty heavy on people who played almost exclusively from the 1950s/1960s.

I wasn't saying Satriani needs to be on the list for it to be valid or anything. I was just commenting that no one should really care about these lists.

Posted by Bobby Henderson (Member # 840) on 06-23-2009, 12:10 PM:

Whoever was responsible for compiling that list of what they think is the 100 greatest guitarists of all time clearly did a shitty job.

Exactly how can one come up with a "best of" list about guitar players and not mention Chet Atkins at all? I mean really what the mother fuck? If I put together my own greatest guitar players list that highly influential player would be ranked in the top 5 or even be in a battle with Jimi Hendrix for the #1 spot.

Obviously the editor of the list had a heavy bias toward blues while largely ignoring Jazz, Country amd Metal genres. No mention of players like Earl Klugh, Pat Metheny, Al DiMeola, Stanley Jordan. Precise shredders like Steve Vai, Steve Stevens, Buckethead and Zack Wilde were unnoticed. Steve Lukather of Toto was one of the greatest session players of all time. He didn't get a notice. Neither did Tommy Tedesco. I'm also surprised Andy Summers of The Police was not mentioned.

But the magazine gives high ranks to sloppy players like Jack White and Curt Cobain. Shit, Jerry Cantrell was the greatest of grunge guitar players.

Here's the highly disputable list from Rolling Stone to save others the trouble of having to click through too many pages of swill:

quote: Rolling Stone Magazine
1 Jimi Hendrix
2 Duane Allman
3 B.B. King
4 Eric Clapton
5 Robert Johnson
6 Chuck Berry
7 Stevie Ray Vaughan
8 Ry Cooder
9 Jimmy Page, Led Zeppelin
10 Keith Richards, Rolling Stones
11 Kirk Hammett, Metallica
12 Kurt Cobain, Nirvana
13 Jerry Garcia, Grateful Dead
14 Jeff Beck
15 Carlos Santana
16 Johnny Ramone, The Ramones
17 Jack White, White Stripes
18 John Frusciante, Red Hot Chili Peppers
19 Richard Thompson
20 James Burton
21 George Harrison
22 Mike Bloomfield
23 Warren Haynes
24 The Edge, U2
25 Freddy King
26 Tom Morello, Rage Against the Machine
27 Mark Knopfler, Dire Straits
28 Stephen Stills
29 Ron Asheton, The Stooges
30 Buddy Guy
31 Dick Dale
32 John Cipollina, Quicksilver Messenger Service
33 Thurston Moore, Sonic Youth
34 Lee Ranaldo, Sonic Youth
35 John Fahey
36 Steve Cropper, Booker T. and the MG's
37 Bo Diddley
38 Peter Green, Fleetwood Mac
39 Brian May, Queen
40 John Fogerty, Creedence Clearwater Revival
41 Clarence White, The Byrds
42 Robert Fripp, King Crimson
43 Eddie Hazel, Funkadelic
44 Scotty Moore
45 Frank Zappa
46 Les Paul
47 T-Bone Walker
48 Joe Perry, Aerosmith
49 John McLaughlin
50 Pete Townshend, The Who
51 Paul Kossoff, Free
52 Lou Reed
53 Mickey Baker
54 Jorma Kaukonen, Jefferson Airplane
55 Ritchie Blackmore, Deep Purple
56 Tom Verlaine, Television
57 Roy Buchanan
58 Dickey Betts, Allman Brothers Band
59 Jonny Greenwood, Radiohead
60 Ed O'Brien, Radiohead
61 Ike Turner
62 Zoot Horn Rollo, The Magic Band
63 Danny Gatton
64 Mick Ronson
65 Hubert Sumlin
66 Vernon Reid, Living Color
67 Link Wray
68 Jerry Miller, Moby Grape
69 Steve Howe, Yes
70 Eddie Van Halen
71 Lightnin' Hopkins
72 Joni Mitchell
73 Trey Anastasio, Phish
74 Johnny Winter
75 Adam Jones, Tool
76 Ali Farka Toure
77 Henry Vestine, Canned Heat
78 Robbie Robertson, The Band
79 Cliff Gallup, The Blue Cops
80 Robert Quine, The Voidoids
81 Derek Trucks
82 David Gilmour, Pink Floyd
83 Neil Young
84 Eddie Cochran
85 Randy Rhoads
86 Tommy Iommi, Black Sabbath
87 Joan Jett
88 Dave Davies, The Kinks
89 D. Boon, The Minutemen
90 Glen Buxton, Alice Cooper
91 Robby Krieger, The Doors
92 Wayne Kramer, The MC5
93 Fred "Sonic" Smith, The MC5
94 Bert Jansch
95 Kevin Shields, My Bloody Valentine
96 Angus Young, AC/DC
97 Robert Randolph
98 Leigh Stephens, Blue Cheer
99 Greg Ginn, Black Flag
100 Kim Thayil, Soundgarden

I'm not a big Neil Young fan and I certainly don't think he needs to be on a Top 100 list of best guitar players. It sounds like he plays the same damned solo on every song.

I noticed Joan Jett got a spot in the list. Wasn't Lita Ford the lead guitar player in The Runaways? Joan Jett wasn't even the lead player in her own solo band.

It's funny to see Randy Rhoads ranked clear down at #85. Even though his career was short lived he ran neck and neck with Eddie Van Halen for most influential rock guitarist of the 1980s. I'll even say Rhoads did more to influence the sound of hair band metal than Van Halen did.

It's also worth noting that while Rolling Stone gave Eddie Van Halen a mere #70 rank on their list Spike TV's first Guy's Choice Awards, 2009 gave Eddie Van Halen its Guitar God award. I could see the 2010 version giving the Guitar God award to Angus Young of AC/DC (ranked #96 on the RS list).

Posted by Dennis Benjamin (Member # 1137) on 06-23-2009, 01:08 PM:

I SEE A PROBLEM WITH THIS LIST:

Steve Vai is not listed.

I know now why I do not read this piece of trash magazine.

They snubbed both Steve Vai and his teacher Joe Satriani.

They should have been SOMEWHERE on the list.

Whatever...... [Roll Eyes]

Posted by Bobby Henderson (Member # 840) on 06-23-2009, 01:29 PM:

I guess the mention of Kirk Hammett of Metallica is supposed to make up for that. Kirk Hammett took lessons from Joe Satriani in the early 1980s. Steve Vai studied with Satriani, but I think picked up some of his creativity during his years playing in Frank Zappa's band.

Posted by Mike Blakesley (Member # 26) on 06-23-2009, 02:03 PM:

The list also leaves out Fleetwood Mac's Lindsey Buckingham. He can play rings around just about anybody and his style is unmistakable.

You have to keep in mind that these lists are usually voted on by musicians + RS editors, or else they are created with online polls and other such methods.

Then you have to add in "personal opinion of the editors" criteria -- for example if I had any power at Rolling Stone, I would never put Hendrix at the top of the list because I can barely stand listening to him. Then keep in mind that RS is read by people under 30, most of whom have never heard of Chet Atkins let alone enjoy that type of pickin', etc.

In other words there's no way in the world they can make a definitive list unless they just make an alphabetical list of every guitar player who ever lived.

Posted by Bobby Henderson (Member # 840) on 06-23-2009, 03:26 PM:

In the end Rolling Stone is really no authority at all in terms of rating guitar players. I think long established magazines like Guitar World would do a better job, even with the real risk any "best guitarists" list would be heavily dominated by hard rock/metal players.

Speaking of metal, there's another guitar player Rolling Stone should be absolutely ashamed of themselves for overlooking in their so-called best guitarists list: Darrell Lance Abbott, also known as "Dimebag Darrell," of 1990s metal band Pantera. That Dallas-based band played numerous times here in Lawton in their up and coming days.

In 2004, Dimebag Darrell was shot to death while playing a concert with his then new band, Damageplan. Some dip shit angry about the breakup of Pantera decided to take it out on the guitar hero. The gunman was killed by a police officer who later arrived on the scene. Guitarists Zack Wilde and Edward Van Halen were among the many who attended Dimebag's funeral. Reportedly Edward Van Halen had one of his prized guitars (the one on the cover of Van Halen II) buried with Dimebag Darrell because the Pantera guitarist was a big Van Halen fan and had always wanted a Charvel "Frankenstrat" just like it.

Posted by Chad Souder (Member # 343) on 06-24-2009, 03:05 AM:

I think the problem is the article being titled as it is, it implies the 100 most talented or able guitar players. I don't know the best way to reword it, but if you take composition and originality into account, I think the list appears a lot better. Especially composition. There is something to be said for a Hammett solo that makes you want to turn it up and play air guitar versus someone who may be technically superior, but just doesn't know how to compose something that sounds good. Take Cobain's intro to Smells Like Teen Spirit. It doesn't sound that difficult to play, yet it is one of the most famous intros of all time, defining an entire genre. Everyone will find a few they disagree with, but in reality if you squabble over 5 or 10 percent that's not so many. They could do a list of 100 most talented guitar players, then 100 most creative/unique, then 100 most influential, and so on, but that's a lot of lists and it would grow boring.

Posted by Bobby Henderson (Member # 840) on 06-24-2009, 11:52 AM:

Cobain's intro to Smell's Like Teen Spirit stands out only because of the intense popularity of the song. It has nothing to do with his playing skills, phrasing, etc. Come As You Are is another one off the Nevermind album that has an iconoclastic opening riff.

Such "best" lists on guitar playing, movies or anything creative can only ever be subjective. Using a guitar to play music is a creative art (or craft). It is not a sport where someone can keep score.

Still, proficiency with the instrument is a big deal. There's a lot of guys on the RR top 100 list that I would likely include in a list of "favorite guitar players." There's others, like Jack White or Joan Jett, that I would not include. They still make some cool music, but their guitar playing simply is not impressive.

Posted by Chad Souder (Member # 343) on 06-24-2009, 05:13 PM:

My point was simply that the list is titled "greatest" not "best." Greatness carries a whole lot more along with it than just ability to execute a certain skill set, in my opinion.

On the supergroup thing again real quickly, though, I hope we can all agree the #1 supergroup of all was the Traveling Wilburys. How cool would it have been to be a fly on the wall around those guys.

Posted by Chris Slycord (Member # 4239) on 06-24-2009, 05:34 PM:

quote: Chad Souder
My point was simply that the list is titled "greatest" not "best."

Can you say "semantics"?

Posted by Chad Souder (Member # 343) on 06-25-2009, 09:39 AM:

Yes. That's the whole point of language. Different words mean different things. Otherwise there wouldn't be different words.

Posted by Chris Slycord (Member # 4239) on 06-25-2009, 10:37 AM:

Except your definition of "great" and "greatest" versus "good" and "best" is entirely arbitrary. There's no reason that being the best guitarist means only that they are the most technically proficient and there's no reason that being great has to focus almost entirely on song-writing/influence.