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Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 02-01-2010, 12:42 AM:

Aside from the fact that this thread and the picture page itself will immediately become obsolete the second any change to the room is made, I thought I'd make a thread dedicated to discussion of this fabulous new room built by our own Josh and Danny for our pal Brad.

Here are the pics!
(Yes, the classic view. Thumbnail view is for hobos. Give it time to load if you are still in the 90's.)

This room really looks very professional. The booth itself is freakin' awesome! I love how much space there is in there. The old room was pretty cramped, but workable. I can imagine sleeping bags and tents set up in this booth. The super-delay for the cues is interesting I suppose. I bet rewinding that film cleaner is lots of fun. You forgot to show pictures of the A-frame ladder that is required to do that.

The auditorium itself looks awesome, though I have always been far more partial to the stylings of the JBL surrounds over the blocky-looking QSCs. The seats are uber-stylish. They kind of remind me of the "premium" seating at Hollywood theaters. The screen seems perhaps a bit small, but I will assume that the masking on the bottom was all the way up and the actual space for flat and scope are bigger. I honestly feel that there should be a monkey trapped in a hanging cage somewhere in there for absolutely no reason whatsoever. Or at least one in the booth. I love monkeys!

Posted by Bobby Henderson (Member # 840) on 02-01-2010, 12:49 AM:

The pics give Plano, TX as the location. Did Brad move from Rockwall?

Is any sort of F-T get-together planned for screening a movie or two?

Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 02-01-2010, 12:56 AM:

He did move away from Rockwall because there was no Radio Shack there. Who wouldn't?

Posted by Mike Blakesley (Member # 26) on 02-01-2010, 01:12 AM:

Question: Why does digital cinema require a larger port window?

Posted by John Wilson (Member # 269) on 02-01-2010, 01:15 AM:

Not sure what 3D Brad's using, but our Real D needs a pretty big port too as one image is above the other.

Love the cinema now. Well done you guys. [thumbsup]

PS: Joe, you do know you're not supposed to comment on pictures, right? What the hell's wrong with you? [Wink]

Posted by Jonathan Althaus (Member # 5042) on 02-01-2010, 01:31 AM:

Looks awesome. Thumbs High!!

Posted by Scott Norwood (Member # 30) on 02-01-2010, 01:52 AM:

What does the CP500 do for magnetic soundtracks that the CP650 does not?

Posted by Monte L Fullmer (Member # 2797) on 02-01-2010, 03:40 AM:

He'll like that NEC-1600C unit with the option of using from 2k to 4k bulbs in that thing. Easy unit to work on - back end opens up for the bulb change which takes seconds to do - just the time needed to calibrate and focus the bulb in for maximum brightness is needed. Side panels opens up for the light engine and filter changeouts are a snap to do.

He'll prob bug Tim Reed to come over and help Brad on how to play with it since Tim has the NEC Commander Software to hone that thing in to sharpness..

Prob the reason for the larger window if he uses REAL-D's XL polarizer defuser - a twin reflective panel, high light output polarizer defuser which sits out in front of the main lens..and you need port window space for that attachment. Even if he went with the standard defuser, still, you need some space. Also, having bigger windows so you can see out better...

I also notice on the penthouse stack - when we had SDDS,basement reader SRD and DTS, it seems that the appropriate is to have the DTS being the lowest reader, Yet, looks odd that way with "Atlas" holding up the "heavies" above him.

...Ah..but shame --- Flat lens in the window sill...
-Monte

Posted by Demetris Thoupis (Member # 833) on 02-01-2010, 05:36 AM:

Noticable differences,

Le an Re channel are removed [Frown]

No subwoofers!!!!! [Eek!]

(at least in the pics [Big Grin]

)
Brad is getting into the Digital take over realm. Shame on you.
The screen is white so I doubt RealD is being used.
All in all a well nice layed out booth. [thumbsup]

Demetris

Posted by Julio Roberto (Member # 4976) on 02-01-2010, 06:43 AM:

Thanks so much for the pictures. It all looks great!

Posted by Brad Miller (Member # 2) on 02-01-2010, 07:24 AM:

Hmmm, an odd amount of confusion. Perhaps I raced through the captioning too fast.

quote: Mike Blakesley
Question: Why does digital cinema require a larger port window?

It doesn't. The captions never said larger, however adding a 3rd projector does mean more (quantity).

quote: John Wilson
Not sure what 3D Brad's using, but our Real D needs a pretty big port too as one image is above the other.

I am not using 3D, but if I did it would be Dolby.

quote: Scott Norwood
What does the CP500 do for magnetic soundtracks that the CP650 does not?

Format 43.

quote: Monte L Fullmer
He'll like that NEC-1600C unit with the option of using from 2k to 4k bulbs in that thing.

Not really. It is nowhere close to the quality of a Christie in my book. It is just temporary to evaluate it. You need to work with a Christie before you tout how wonderful you think the NEC is.

quote: Demetris Thoupis
Le an Re channel are removed

Nobody uses them anymore. Its essentially a dead format.

quote:
No subwoofers!!!!!

Look at the pictures of the screen and masking going up. There are QSC 21" units on the floor.

quote:
I honestly feel that there should be a monkey trapped in a hanging cage somewhere in there for absolutely no reason whatsoever. Or at least one in the booth. I love monkeys!

No worries, there is room for the monkey cage behind the sound rack.

Posted by Adam Martin (Member # 641) on 02-01-2010, 09:25 AM:

Those are not the seats I was promised. I want my money back.

Posted by Damien Taylor (Member # 4255) on 02-01-2010, 09:26 AM:

All I can say is Wow. You guys did an amazing job, the place looks awesome.

Posted by Elise Brandt (Member # 5552) on 02-01-2010, 09:34 AM:

For some odd reason he first thing that comes to mind after seeing those pics is a clip from "dude, where's my car". Phrases "Sweet!" and "dude!" keep bouncing back and forth here. Maybe it's just the mention of the monkey. (wanna borrow my four-year-old? Fits the part)

All in all; Sweet! Especially the space in the booth. Ideal work conditions...

Posted by Steve Guttag (Member # 268) on 02-01-2010, 09:57 AM:

Look for a Panastereo CSP4600. That would be a better 70mm processor in your case. It can have on-board preamps for 35 and 70mm mag, it will process format 40, 41, 42, 43, and the 35 mags (with 12KHz switching) and also do a downmix of 5-screen channels to 3. It would be an ideal compliment to your system as you have laid it out. The only thing that would need to be modded is the changeover since it operates serially..I would probably use a contact closer to serial interface for that though.

Of course, there is no 70mm processor like the CP200, if you have 5 screen channels.

With your SDDS, I'm surprised you don't have any 8-channel prints...I would have done 5-screen channels in a room like this...also for any 4:3 stereo stuff when you get video up and going (or the odd 1.33 stereo movie like Wizard of Oz).

Nice Job overall...very impressive.

Steve

Posted by Alan Plester (Member # 852) on 02-01-2010, 10:08 AM:

Where`s the puddy cat? Nice booth

Posted by Tony Gallimore (Member # 5358) on 02-01-2010, 12:42 PM:

Very... very impresive! Job well done. The pictures are fantastic, but I can imagine seeing it in person would be the max!

Posted by Paul Gordon (Member # 3320) on 02-01-2010, 12:47 PM:

No 16mm! or Super 8....

Posted by Sam Graham (Member # 2889) on 02-01-2010, 01:05 PM:

So did you sell the old place with the screening room intact?

Posted by Martin McCaffery (Member # 37) on 02-01-2010, 01:20 PM:

So tell me about this Durra stuff. I've glanced at their website, but I'm curious about what it does better than other alternatives. Doesn't putting sheetrock over it reduce it's sound absorbing qualities?

Posted by Bruce McGee (Member # 131) on 02-01-2010, 02:36 PM:

If you dont mind, Brad, I will just sit here beside my Holmes and 6 foot motorized screen and sniffle softly.

I really LOVE the colors of your new theatre!!!

Posted by Phil Hill (Member # 371) on 02-01-2010, 03:57 PM:

It's Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious! [thumbsup]

Posted by Mark J. Marshall (Member # 1409) on 02-01-2010, 04:54 PM:

What, no CDS??

Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 02-01-2010, 05:08 PM:

I like the generic unpainted Home Depot door in the back of the auditorium. Every home has about dozen of those. New homes come with only those. I even upgraded one of the doors in my house to one of those.

Posted by Mike Olpin (Member # 1115) on 02-01-2010, 06:51 PM:

You guys are building mine next, right? [Big Grin]

Posted by Bruce Hansen (Member # 281) on 02-01-2010, 08:26 PM:

WOW!

Posted by Fred Georges (Member # 505) on 02-01-2010, 08:42 PM:

SUPERB!..All the way around. I'll bet those Geddes type waveguides sound mighty sweet in your room. [beer]

But, It's the booth. All that workroom. I congratulate you sir.....YOU WIN!!! [thumbsup]

Posted by Jon Miller (Member # 163) on 02-01-2010, 09:21 PM:

Wow...the new screening room is the cat's meow, complete with resident cat to supply the meow! [thumbsup]

Posted by Paul Mayer (Member # 355) on 02-01-2010, 09:45 PM:

Two cats - for LT and RT.

Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 02-01-2010, 10:38 PM:

Did you bother with EX?

Posted by John Wilson (Member # 269) on 02-01-2010, 10:40 PM:

Hahahahahahahahaha...

Posted by Demetris Thoupis (Member # 833) on 02-02-2010, 01:44 AM:

Don't seem to have EX. No speakers on the back just the booth windows taking the whole lenght!!! or most of it. Ex is a dead breed anyway unless something happens!

Posted by Mike Olpin (Member # 1115) on 02-02-2010, 02:19 AM:

Nice to see that Phil Hill's screening room is coming right along also! [evil]

Posted by Demetris Thoupis (Member # 833) on 02-02-2010, 02:26 AM:

The WD40 is a great addition to the booth. All booths need one.

Posted by Steve Guttag (Member # 268) on 02-02-2010, 05:45 AM:

Yeah, the scary thing is that he replaced the Raid can with WD40...I wonder if he is trying to control his pests with WD40 now...or perhaps the problem was crickets and instead of killing them...lubricating them stops the annoying chirps!

An annoying "feature" of the CP650 is that once you put in the Cat 790, 791, 778 to deal with DCinema or other AES audio...you get EX for the ride, whether you want it or not! You HAVE to rewire the surrounds (use the Option I/O). And if you don't choose to wire it in EX fashion, then you need to carefully balance out your system to the right levels...an EX enabled CP650 presumes the rear channels are there when you are calibrating your 82dBc per channel...if you don't compensate for that, your surrounds will play low and if you get an EX film...and sound is panned to the rear, you get nothing. I'm surprised that Odyssey Products on one of their 10-billion CP650 breakout boards hasn't come up with a passive solution (resistively combine Ls/BLs and likewise for Rs/BRs so negate this. I'm even MORE surprised one can just tell the CP650 in a set up screen...configure the outputs for just 5.1 That would be just too easy for someone!

Steve

Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 02-02-2010, 10:55 AM:

Phil needs to call Danny and Josh to complete the room for him.

Steve, I don't have those cards you mention, but I can turn EX on and off in my CP650's. With it off it all seems to set up fine. There is no adjustment in the menu for the levels of the back surrounds (unless it is presuming I am doing it at the amp level). Adding these cards forces the EX option to remain on?

Posted by Steve Guttag (Member # 268) on 02-02-2010, 12:06 PM:

No, you can tell the CP650 to not auto-EX but it presumes you have the rear speakers.

Thus, if you set up your surrounds to the prescribed 82dBc/side...when you play the film in format 10 (non-EX)...the actual level will be closer to 79-80dBc/side since it presumes that the rear channels would have brought it back up to 82dBc.

Steve

Posted by Sean McKinnon (Member # 612) on 02-02-2010, 12:45 PM:

I am suprised no one has mentioned the AWESOMENESS of the "Seeburg Background Music System" yet! Awesomeness!
I am more impressed by this device than any other in the system or for that matter the whole system combined!

Seriously Brad, Where in the world did you find this thing? From reading about it on the inter tubes (see link above) I learned that it was a competitor to Muzak but instead of source material being piped from telco lines they sent you thier own cartridges or records or something?

Tell us more Brad! Tell us More!

Posted by Sean Weitzel (Member # 244) on 02-02-2010, 01:37 PM:

It is indeed awesome. I had never seen anything like it. There are styli on the top and bottom of the tone arm. It plays tracking above or below. The fidelity in the screening room was quite good.

Posted by Phil Hill (Member # 371) on 02-02-2010, 01:53 PM:

Listen to a live stream and watch you-tube videos of the Seeburg 1000 at this website.

Info on this cool machine.

Posted by Brad Miller (Member # 2) on 02-02-2010, 02:05 PM:

quote: Paul Gordon
No 16mm! or Super 8....

Nope, no 16mm, but yes there is a modified Beaulieu 708EL Pro projector I can setup with an external xenon lamphouse.

quote: Sam Graham
So did you sell the old place with the screening room intact?

Intact. Maybe Bobby Henderson will move.

quote: Martin McCaffery
So tell me about this Durra stuff. I've glanced at their website, but I'm curious about what it does better than other alternatives. Doesn't putting sheetrock over it reduce it's sound absorbing qualities?

The Durra is a magic wall. It looks like bits of sawdust glued together, but it just works. There is a furring channel (cavity) between the sheetrock and the Durra. This permits the sheetrock to shake before the sound hits the Durra. I stood about 20 feet away from the front exit door with a movie running extremely loud and passing traffic made much more noise than the leakage from the room. Check it out. Its good stuff.

quote: Mark J. Marshall
What, no CDS??

Sean Weitzel is currently trying to resurrect the CDS.

quote: Joe Redifer
I like the generic unpainted Home Depot door in the back of the auditorium.

I might change it at some point, but it works fine. It is painted though.

quote: Mike Olpin
You guys are building mine next, right?

If you want us to, sure. We are offering $25 off a complete install this month so be sure to jump on the savings!

quote: Joe Redifer
Did you bother with EX?

The plan was to, but the necessary port windows to bring digital into the equation got in the way.

quote: Steve Guttag
an EX enabled CP650 presumes the rear channels are there when you are calibrating your 82dBc per channel...if you don't compensate for that, your surrounds will play low and if you get an EX film...and sound is panned to the rear, you get nothing.

Its called the Basis and that issue is resolved internally.

quote: Joe Redifer
Phil needs to call Danny and Josh to complete the room for him.

So Joe, do you actually think I sat on my ass and had Dan and Josh do the entire room? And we did volunteer to finish Phil's install a few times over the years, but he never lets us.

quote:
I am suprised no one has mentioned the AWESOMENESS of the "Seeburg Background Music System" yet!

Yes, awesomeness abound! I believe this was a 1960'ish machine and Seeburg was the company that created background music. Muzak took over the market in the 70s and turned it into godawful elevator music, but the Seeburg stuff is awesome.

My machine has been modified to have a plexiglass cover, a mirrored background and of course, rope lights so you can see the awesomeness of the mechanism itself. There are a few more things to do to it, but it is pretty impressive as it stands. The content on the records is just as awesome as the machine.

The machine holds 25 or so special records on it and will play for something like 40 hours before it resets the stack.

Here are some youtube videos of other people's Seeburg machines in action:

This one shows resetting the "stack" (but they only had one record on the machine).

This one shows a fully loaded Seeburg machine.

Some music.....
link 1

link 2

link 3 (The Girl from Ipanema)

I've got one in my stack of "Hound Dog" by Elvis. It doesn't get any better than that!

Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 02-02-2010, 03:36 PM:

quote: Brad Miller
So Joe, do you actually think I sat on my ass and had Dan and Josh do the entire room?

Of course not! You took the pictures. [Razz]

Posted by Tony Bandiera Jr (Member # 2365) on 02-02-2010, 05:04 PM:

Brad, Dan and Josh:

Awesome job on that screening room. And thanks for the info on the Durra, that was going to be my next question...

[beer]

Posted by Damien Taylor (Member # 4255) on 02-02-2010, 05:43 PM:

Are they yellow label Industrials Brad? Industrial is the best library IMO.

Posted by Brad Miller (Member # 2) on 02-02-2010, 06:59 PM:

Those are definitely the best. I have some of all, but I do prefer the Industrial collection. [Cool]

Posted by Monte L Fullmer (Member # 2797) on 02-03-2010, 01:06 AM:

Those Seeburg vinyls .. do they spin at 16-2/3rpm? If I remember, they're 10inch vinyls with a inch and a half hole in the middle ... very propriatory for just one usage.

I used to see these vinyls in thrift stores many moons ago..

Still, quite the unit in itself.. great music from MUZAK .. your classic "elevator music."

-Monte

Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 02-03-2010, 01:32 AM:

I want to say that the Seeburg music system looks really cool and I love the types of music it plays linked to on the Youtube vids, etc... but with the crowd that roams here I can see this thread turning into a Seeburg discussion thread vs a screening room discussion.

Damn good thing you didn't have a train replica or something in there. [Smile]

Posted by Damien Taylor (Member # 4255) on 02-03-2010, 01:52 AM:

I'm pretty sure Brad and myself are the last two collectors of these records, so as soon as I die, the thread can continue. [thumbsup]

Posted by Brad Miller (Member # 2) on 02-03-2010, 01:58 AM:

Yes they are 16 2/3RPM and yes they have an oddly large center hole. The reason for this was because Seeburg didn't want the records "out". They charged a penalty if the records were not returned at the end of the quarterly usage interval, although like anything tons got into private hands.

I plan on recording these to CDs for archive when I get a bit of time.

Posted by Damien Taylor (Member # 4255) on 02-03-2010, 08:20 AM:

Quite analogous with 35mm film prints really.

Posted by Sean Weitzel (Member # 244) on 02-03-2010, 10:58 AM:

Brad, are the discs you have currently loaded in the machine your only collection or do you have more records? Packs of discs seem to be pretty common on ebay.

Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 02-03-2010, 12:01 PM:

So did anyone besides me notice that not only are the media pads on the film cleaners on both projectors freshly soaked, but the one on the platter as well? Always ready to go! I also noted that the winding of the pads was consistent with the diagram on the cleaners themselves. I think the last time that was done was for the Filmguard product shoot. [Smile]

Speaking of which, how rare are the 70mm pads becoming?

Posted by Brad Miller (Member # 2) on 02-03-2010, 12:05 PM:

I have brand new packs of records, but I am not going to open them until we finish the rebuild on the Seeburg.

Joe, I don't normally load the media that way as you know, but the media in here is never reused since it is rare to run the same print twice in a row so it doesn't much matter and after all, it was picture time.

Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 02-03-2010, 12:30 PM:

Yeah I figured. [Smile]

But you missed my last question. Have you ever had a roll of media slit nearly twice as wide just to have plenty of 70mm media for the future? Or does Kelmar still stock the stuff?

Posted by Phil Hill (Member # 371) on 02-03-2010, 03:50 PM:

quote: The Grand-Poo-BAH
Yes they are 16 2/3RPM and yes they have an oddly large center hole.

The discs are 9" in diameter and the center hole is 2"... Regular 45's are 7" in diameter with a 1.5" center hole.

Brad: Did you get that unit already modified or did you do it/have it done for you? By who? I want to do similar to my "Plain Jane" unit...Your machine is REALLY cool!

quote: Damien Taylor
Quite analogous with 35mm film prints really.

Damien: Great insight and analogy!

Posted by Brad Miller (Member # 2) on 02-03-2010, 04:46 PM:

We manufacture the 70mm pads. I've no idea if Kelmar still does or not.

The guy I bought it from put the plexiglass cover on it and the lights/mirror background.

OMG Joe. OMG OMG OMG OMG Almost 10k posts there!

Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 02-03-2010, 06:34 PM:

I will never make another post after this!

....unless I have to.

Posted by Monte L Fullmer (Member # 2797) on 02-03-2010, 07:10 PM:

Ya, make him change his avatar when he hits 10k ... like make him playing with a digital unit ... lol

Posted by Damien Taylor (Member # 4255) on 02-03-2010, 07:28 PM:

The catch is, he has to be draining the oil from a digital head.

Posted by Mark Gulbrandsen (Member # 72) on 02-03-2010, 08:23 PM:

Geez, Jack Warner never had a room that nice! Now I see why you told me to wait till next time I'm in Dallas... So exactly... what is the maximum wind speed that sound system is capable of?

Mark

Posted by Adam Martin (Member # 641) on 02-03-2010, 08:24 PM:

I have banned Joe. Now he will have to re-register for a new account.

Posted by Jim Bedford (Member # 4) on 02-04-2010, 09:04 AM:

Joe who? You know, there used to be a guy here that posted under the name Joe. What ever happened to him anyway?

Posted by Phil Hill (Member # 371) on 02-04-2010, 02:19 PM:

I noticed Adam also helped with the install... [Razz]

Posted by Adam Martin (Member # 641) on 02-04-2010, 09:01 PM:

I didn't help with the booth install, but I did install the liquor in the cabinet.

Posted by Gracia L. Babbidge (Member # 582) on 02-05-2010, 11:45 PM:

[Eek!]

Impressive. I almost want to do something kind of crazy, and drive halfway across the country to see that in person!

Posted by Damien Taylor (Member # 4255) on 02-05-2010, 11:54 PM:

Or the world. Well... Maybe not drive.

Posted by Brad Miller (Member # 2) on 02-06-2010, 12:27 AM:

Start the bidding!

Posted by Damien Taylor (Member # 4255) on 02-06-2010, 12:37 AM:

And once again I miss out. [thumbsdown]

Posted by Sean Weitzel (Member # 244) on 02-06-2010, 12:51 AM:

For any movie lover, I implore you to request permission from Brad to come visit his screening room. Experiencing a movie (film or digital) presented absolutely 100% perfect and with state of the art technology in an intimate environment is a rare experience in and of itself. Brad's been in the business of perfecting presentation for over 20 years and damn does it ever show! [thumbsup]

Posted by Bobby Henderson (Member # 840) on 02-06-2010, 01:04 AM:

I've seen a few movies in the former FT screening room in Rockwall (yeah, I'd buy it if I had the bucks -but I have other problems bleeding my money currently). Lots of fun there. It's the only movie theater I've visited where the sub-bass actually generated real wind in the room.

Hope to check out a show at the new one in Plano.

Posted by Monte L Fullmer (Member # 2797) on 02-06-2010, 02:55 AM:

Prob whoever gets to run that booth has to be C++ or C# certified ...

Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 02-06-2010, 11:40 AM:

I want a picture of me in that booth focusing the projector without any film in it!

Posted by Marco Giustini (Member # 4544) on 02-06-2010, 11:50 AM:

Wow, it's great. I remember I was so amazed when I saw the first screening room some time ago, I can't believe you managed to make a better one!

I beg your pardon for my curiosity but I have some questions! How did you design the acoustic of the room? Any special dimensions, like a special ratio between width, lenght and height?
What DCA amps are they? How are they connected to the speakers?
You use a D2 if I'm not mistaken. Any chance to see some screenshots of the response, before and after EQ? And the reverberation time figure?

Marco

Posted by Tony Bandiera Jr (Member # 2365) on 02-06-2010, 12:58 PM:

quote: Phil Hill
I noticed Adam also helped with the install...

Naw, the brute there was Dan. [Big Grin]

Posted by Jarret Chessell (Member # 5077) on 02-06-2010, 06:43 PM:

Looks like a pretty sweet setup for playing bond on the N64 [Smile]

Posted by Jarret Chessell (Member # 5077) on 02-06-2010, 09:20 PM:

Sorry, I take above post back. it looks great. I'm very impressed with it. Looks incredible and I wish I could have a chance to experience it in person!

Posted by Sean McKinnon (Member # 612) on 02-07-2010, 11:44 AM:

quote: Jarret Chessell
Looks like a pretty sweet setup for playing bond on the N64

Our student film society is showing "The Big Lebowski" (sp?) so we decided to hook up a Nintendo Wi (sp?) on the stage connected to the DLP and PA system so we can have a Wi bowling competition on the BIG screen! [Big Grin]

Should be a lot of fun! [beer]

Posted by Brad Miller (Member # 2) on 02-07-2010, 12:40 PM:

quote: Jarret Chessell
Looks like a pretty sweet setup for playing bond on the N64

Only a few people have NOT made a "play a video game/watch the Superbowl" comment so far. If I gave a flip about either I might actually do that...but I don't. [Razz]

Posted by Scott Norwood (Member # 30) on 02-07-2010, 01:06 PM:

Doesn't the image get delayed by a frame or two when it gets scaled for the video projector? If so, then video games would really suck on it.

Posted by Paul Vollmers (Member # 927) on 02-07-2010, 01:22 PM:

OKAY.........somethings missing.......?????????

Where's the pop corn machine..??? and butter dispenser???

The sound just has to be awesome.

I'd like to watch U-571 ......maybe have some ear plugs handy etc.

Great job........how about more pictures.

Posted by Chris Slycord (Member # 4239) on 02-07-2010, 01:40 PM:

quote: Paul Vollmers
OKAY.........somethings missing.......?????????

Where's the pop corn machine..??? and butter dispenser???

Yeah, you'd never expect a guy in charge of projection for a chain of dinner theaters to exclude a popcorn machine in his screening room. [Wink]

Posted by Mark Gulbrandsen (Member # 72) on 02-07-2010, 01:43 PM:

quote: Jim Bedford
Joe who? You know, there used to be a guy here that posted under the name Joe. What ever happened to him anyway?

I see Joe more and more at Facebook... Donno why... he doesn't sign up for any of the "Groups" over there...

Mark

Posted by Paul Mayer (Member # 355) on 02-07-2010, 03:07 PM:

quote: Paul Vollmers
The sound just has to be awesome.

I'd like to watch U-571 ......maybe have some ear plugs handy etc.

Ear plugs won't help when your innards are being rearranged. [Big Grin]

Years ago I got to listen to the U-571 depth charge sequence at the Hitchcock mixdown stage on the Universal lot. It was a mid-sized room, equipped with eight heavily reworked Sensurround cabinets for the subs. That was bass you felt more than you heard. The room could be tuned down to 10Hz (though it wasn't). I imagine Brad's new room easily moves innards.

Mmmmmm hot buttered popcorn...

Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 02-07-2010, 05:39 PM:

Where is the lazy usher? Where is the Coke stain on the screen? Where are the popcorn dribblings on the ground? Where is the gum on the seats? Sounds to me like this room just doesn't cut it!

Posted by Jeremy Weigel (Member # 4208) on 02-07-2010, 05:41 PM:

quote:
If I gave a flip about either I might actually do that...but I don't. [Razz]

Now that's just un-American! [Razz]

Posted by Jarret Chessell (Member # 5077) on 02-08-2010, 12:10 AM:

quote:
hook up a Nintendo Wi (sp?) on the stage connected to the DLP and PA system so we can have a Wi bowling competition on the BIG screen!

Three reasons why Nintendo Wii isn't good for the big screen:
1. Even if you purchase the component output cable it will only spit out 480p (it's very soft too and the aspect ratio isn't quite 16x9)
2. That stupid sensor bar isn't meant for a large screen. Even in my home projecting 90" it's difficult. the bar must be below or above the screen, but you need to point directly at the bar to have your cursor in the middle of the screen. This is awkard with a large screen with the bar as you need to point really low to control the middle of the screen.
3. the 480p is a real drag (I thought i'd just mention this twice to be clear).

Useless FYI: Golden Eye on the N64 does have a menu option for stretching the picture so you can play it 16x9... but it's stretched 480i.

Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 02-08-2010, 12:34 AM:

Goldeneye on the N64 is only 240p, not even 480i. It looks like ass, and not just because it is 240p, but because of all of the nasty blur filters and drab colors. The N64 has to have had some of the worst graphics ever in all of videogame history. The console's graphics literally makes me want to vomit.

For the Wii, you could make homemade sensors. Just put two IR emitters behind the screen a little closer together than the optional SDDS stage channels would have gone, midway up the screen.

Posted by Gracia L. Babbidge (Member # 582) on 02-08-2010, 01:18 AM:

Some of the most fun I've had playing video games, was on some of the older systems.
Intellivision - Astrosmash
Colecovision - Q*Bert, Mr. Do!, Donkey Kong, and a few others.
NES - Dr. Mario, Arkanoid, The Legend of Zelda, Tetris, Dragon Warrior, and so on, and so forth.

I have no idea what the specs are for the video projector that is in the auditorium where I work. The projector not very large, and is mounted to the ceiling. We use it for our pre-show ads (all local), rentals, and special events.
Sometimes with the rentals, rather than bringing in a vhs, dvd, or blue-ray of their choosing to watch, instead they'll show up with a video game system & games. While I'm sure there is some tiny bit of lag in the whole set-up, I haven't heard any bitching about it from the customers!

Posted by Sean McKinnon (Member # 612) on 02-08-2010, 07:58 AM:

Scott,

When we plug in laptops DVI thrua DVI to SDI converter there is no delay... You move the mouse and it moves on screen.

Jarett,

We have all neccesary cables. This house has a large stage in front of the screen so the bowlers are going to be standing on the stage right in front of the screen. We also have the capability to upconvert the 480p into a true HD format for projection.

The other thing to keep in mind here is we are not using just any run of the mill wimpy video projector. We are using the full boat here a NEC1600 DLP. I'm tellin' ya' you hook up a macbook to this thing via it's DVI output and it looks better blown up to a 1920X920 (or whatever) resolution on the "big screen" than it does on it's own display!

Hey if it doesnt work, or doesnt look good we will scrap it. We havent publicized it for this reason but if it works the "kids" think it will be a fun way to add that little somthing "extra"

Posted by Bobby Henderson (Member # 840) on 02-08-2010, 09:44 AM:

quote:
Colecovision - Q*Bert, Mr. Do!, Donkey Kong, and a few others.

The Playstation Store has a down-loadable version of Q*bert for Playstation 3. It's a very accurate re-creation of the coin-op game. Same graphics. Same sound effects. The only thing missing is the mechanism that would hammer the bottom of the video game cabinet when the snake or Q*bert himself would fall off the pyramid. I think the game costs only $5.

Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 02-08-2010, 12:34 PM:

Now only if we could get a superbowl sub-chat going on in here as well, Brad would be certainly pleased.

Posted by Brad Miller (Member # 2) on 02-08-2010, 12:44 PM:

I am proud to say the Super Bowl was NOT ran in the screening room.

I don't even know what teams played or who won, nor do I care. How's that for un-American? [Razz]

Posted by Sean Weitzel (Member # 244) on 02-08-2010, 01:03 PM:

You video game guys are totally missing the point:

Posted by Jonathan Althaus (Member # 5042) on 02-08-2010, 02:40 PM:

If it's un-American, then I guess I am as well. Seems to be tradition for me to go camping super bowl weekend, then sleep thru the game.

Posted by John Wilson (Member # 269) on 02-08-2010, 02:49 PM:

Joe's wish has been granted.

Posted by Sean McKinnon (Member # 612) on 02-09-2010, 06:33 PM:

Well for those who said it COULDN'T be done.....

Wii Bowling on the BIG screen is a HIT! It looks great, sounds great, and operates great! The "kids" are having a blast and I think it is a really cool way to promote a showing of a "cult classic" film! [Smile]

Posted by Gracia L. Babbidge (Member # 582) on 02-09-2010, 09:05 PM:

The first time I witnessed a Wii in action, it was on-screen where I work. Working fine, and the folks that rented the place that morning had a blast.

I was a little jealous.
Still am, in a way. I have yet to play any video games on the big screen.

$5 is cheap enough for a game download, but I'm not inclined to drop a bunch of $$$ for a PS3. I've been a Nintendo fan for a long time, and own working NES, SNES, N64, and GameCube consoles. [thumbsup]

I share a Wii with my siblings. [Roll Eyes]

Lots of great titles are available to download to that system. [Big Grin]

.......

What's up with that Pac-Man game in the screening room? Only one ghost, pellets missing but no score! [Confused]

Posted by Chris Slycord (Member # 4239) on 02-09-2010, 10:59 PM:

You mean to tell me that the pac-man screen might be fake?!

Oh the humanity! [Razz]

Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 02-09-2010, 11:15 PM:

It's the Atari 2600 Pac-Man. The arcade version has a 3:4 ratio and Brad's screening room cannot do 3:4. [Smile]

Posted by Brad Miller (Member # 2) on 02-09-2010, 11:33 PM:

Actually, yes it can.

Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 02-10-2010, 12:21 AM:

Oh yeah? Prove it! [michael]

Posted by Steve Guttag (Member # 268) on 02-10-2010, 06:45 AM:

And is it THX WOW SPL certified with the plaque and everything...like Joe's screening room?

Steve

Posted by Mark Gulbrandsen (Member # 72) on 02-10-2010, 09:49 AM:

Nope Steve... you're missing the whole point of Brad building this room. Its now NWVB Certified at Mach 2. The NWVB is the "National Wind Velocity Board".

Posted by Brad Miller (Member # 2) on 02-10-2010, 12:26 PM:

The side masking pulls in way farther than it needs to and the lower masking can go way higher than it needs to as well. 3:4 is easily achieved.

Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 02-10-2010, 01:09 PM:

Then I don't see why you guys resorted to playing 4:3 Atari 2600 Pac-Man when you could have hooked up the arcade machine and played 3:4 Pac-Man. Maybe it's because the digital video projector can't rotate the image 90 degrees? And don't try to tell me that picture is Photoshopped because I know you play games and watch Superbowls on it every day.

Posted by Steve Guttag (Member # 268) on 02-10-2010, 02:50 PM:

I'd still prefer Joe's screening room. Just look at the pictures...everyone seems bored in Brad's....while Joe seems rather excited and happy to see movies in his room. His screen also formats 4:3 correctly and seems to make Scope even wider (or less tall). Clearly features that Brad's room seem incapable of (based on photo evidence). I also don't see how Brad's room can compare to Joe's sonically either.

Nope, sorry guys...Brad's room is clearly a poor-man's attempt at trying to approach Joe's level but so poorly executed that there is virtually no resemblance.

Steve

Posted by Bobby Henderson (Member # 840) on 02-10-2010, 05:56 PM:

quote: Joe Redifer
Then I don't see why you guys resorted to playing 4:3 Atari 2600 Pac-Man when you could have hooked up the arcade machine and played 3:4 Pac-Man. Maybe it's because the digital video projector can't rotate the image 90 degrees?

Namco Classics for Playstation 3 features authentic 3:4 ratio versions of Pac Man, Dig Dug, Xevious and Galaga. The games are window-boxed in a 16 X 9 frame (lots and lots of dead space to the left and right). Movable masking might help those games look better on screen.

Posted by Joshua Waaland (Member # 287) on 02-11-2010, 08:16 AM:

quote: Brad Miller
I am proud to say the Super Bowl was NOT ran in the screening room.

I don't even know what teams played or who won, nor do I care. How's that for un-American?

quote: Jonathan Althaus
If it's un-American, then I guess I am as well. Seems to be tradition for me to go camping super bowl weekend, then sleep thru the game.

Then that makes three of us. I played little league baseball and I like to play sports sometimes, but I cannot stand to watch it or discuss it. I did force myself to watch the Super Bowl this year only to see the commercials which ended up being a total waste of time since they all sucked beyond belief.

My wife has one couple as friends that we went to dinner with once. The guy kept getting up to go watch the games in the bar and kept checking his phone for scores. Are you kidding me?! Seriously dude, you have a sports addiction. If you cannot even go to dinner without needing to check the scores, then you have a problem. It wasn't even a big game weekend. When we get together my wife talks with his wife and he and I don't talk. He just watches a game on TV which is an insult because he can't even tear him self away when they have people over to visit. He figured out early on that I don't give a rip about sports so he doesn't even try to hold a conversation with me anymore. At least I have tried to talk about sports to try and meet him on his level.

I guess this is a sore spot for me. I don't really care what someone enjoys nor do I fault them for it. If their hobby makes them happy, great! I have become jaded about sports because I have been in so many situations where the other guys are talking sports and if you don't know about sports, then you are basically on the outside. In these cases, I usually can't even keep up with their conversations nor do I care to try. I usually end up talking with the ladies since at least they can talk about plenty of other topics. It just annoys me that many guys can't even carry on a conversation if it doesn't include some player's stats. [Roll Eyes]

It used to make me wonder what was wrong with me or made me feel like less of a man. It's good to know there are others out there like me.

I seem to know a lot of guys that neglect their wives and families for sports and video games. I like to play video games but I grow tired of them pretty quickly. I haven't bought a new video game system since the Sega Genesis because I don't want to get sucked into it since I already have plenty of other things competing for my time. I think my wife is also scared that I will be like so many of the other guys that we know that become mesmerized by their video games and have no idea what is going on around them as life passes them by.

My 21 month old son has loved basketball since he was able to crawl. He has several hoops around the house and he shoots all day long. We thought it might be a phase but our pediatrician (who is a self proclaimed nerd and has been on CNN and written several books about raising children, which I only bring up to establish his credibility and experience) is fascinated by Will's basketball obsession. He said he has never seen that in a child before and is interested to see how it plays out. My wife played college basketball but neither of us ever pushed it on our son. He played with a basketball at someone's house and he was hooked after that. We cannot even go to Sam's Club or Dick's Sporting Goods because if he sees the basketball hoops sticking up ten aisles over, he runs straight for them and throws a fit if we try to pull him away. I asked my wife to buy me a "Basketball for Dummies" book for Christmas. I guess I will need to find some level of sports knowledge that I am comfortable with so I can support my son in his interests when he gets older. My dad is like me and has no interest in sports. We are both mechanical fix it type of guys. He loves woodworking and I love metalworking but neither of us likes sports.

Posted by Fred Georges (Member # 505) on 02-11-2010, 03:46 PM:

Hey Josh, It's in the genes. He gets it from His lovely mother. If He's blessed with your height & Her skill sets Imagine the $$$$ you're going to save come college time. Can you say "Full Athletic Scholarship"?? Encourage & nurture it. It can pay off Big time when He's older & I KNOW He'll grow up loving Film! [beer]

Posted by Mark Gulbrandsen (Member # 72) on 02-11-2010, 07:24 PM:

Steve... At least in Joe's screening room you'd be leaving after the film with your haircut still intact!

Josh,

I with you and Brad! I like sports but hate watching it on TV. I do watch the occasional golf tournament... perhaps two or three a year, but thats it. TV Sports is a total waste of time. I didn't even watch the Stupid Bowl nor do I care who won. My wife and I went to her daughters where they could also give a crap about sports on TV and we enjoyed a great dinner and Birthday party. Her daughter and boyfriend don't even own a tv.

Mark

Posted by Joshua Waaland (Member # 287) on 02-16-2010, 12:51 PM:

Why can I not find the other thread that had the previous Film-Tech screening rooms in it? I have tried seraching but can't find it again.

Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 02-16-2010, 02:12 PM:

The search feature of this site is crippled and only lets you search one area at a time, as opposed to all forums.

I found the this in the Film Handler's forum:
http://www.film-tech.com/cgi-bin/ubb/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=008449#000000

and this in Film-Yak:
http://www.film-tech.com/cgi-bin/ubb/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=8;t=001817#000000

Posted by Phil Hill (Member # 371) on 02-17-2010, 10:37 PM:

Josh, perhaps you're thinking of the pics thread in the film warehouse of the 2003 Halloween Gathering and/or the Rockwall Screening Room pics?