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Posted by Brad Miller (Member # 2) on 03-17-2011, 12:39 AM:
 
AT&T is up to no good again. Normally I would post things like this in the news thread, but this deserves its own discussion.

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The Secretly Horrifying Implications of AT&Ts Bandwidth Caps

* By: Robert Brockway
* March 16th, 2011
* 196,371 views

As is inevitably the case for all things, it turns out that Prince was right: The internet is over. AT&T recently announced the rollout of bandwidth caps, not just for their mobile network, but for residential DSL customers as well. The announcement is here, with more details here. They've not only already implemented this system in several test markets, but were apparently pleased enough about the results to go ahead with the program nationwide. Human beings were willing to take all this fuckery lying down, and so now it's official.

Those "human being" bastards are always screwing the rest of us over.

I know what you're doing right now. You're trying to comfort yourself. "Sure, that sucks" you're thinking, "but that 150GB cap is pretty high; I'll probably never run into it myself." And you're right, for now at least. Of course their introductory cap is going to start out on the high side. They need to give you time to get used to the concept without really suffering the consequences. But soon it will be lowered, and lowered again. Anybody familiar with college romance recognizes this as the "just the tip" strategy: Wherein the fucker promises the fuckee that, should they find the end of the penis unsatisfactory in some way, the process can always be stopped and the whole thing pulled out. But, much like their frat-bro counterparts, I guarantee you that AT&T has no intention of pulling out. They are going to plunge it into us to the hilt, and if we're lucky, maybe they'll whisper gently into our ears about what good girls we're being for taking it all so bravely.

And there they will be, their blurry forms pumping away at us even as the shame starts creeping in.

Right now, if those stats are accurate, the bandwidth cap will only apply to the top 2% of users. Those are the only people who are going to be charged on this new pricing plan. Have you ever known a company content to only make money off of the top 2% of their users? And even if AT&T is somehow perfectly happy with this tiny slice of the potential market, what's going to happen? That top two percent will then be more aware of their data usage, right? That means their average rate will go down, therefore the cap will go down - but that price will probably stay just the same. Even if this is baseless fear-mongering and AT&T's caps don't decrease, the internet will always require more bandwidth as it grows in functionality. The highest end of the caps they're rolling out today will be absolutely stifling a few years from now.

Any time there's a new way to charge for a service, you know others offering that service are going to follow suit. Comcast has had a secret 250GB bandwidth cap in place for years. Now they have an excuse to publicize and lower it. Which means we'll be dealing with an internet operating under bandwidth restrictions very soon, and that's going to be a very different thing than it is now: It will be a place where you buy a game on Steam one week, so you can't watch internet porn for the rest of the month. You'll just have to suck it up and content yourself with masturbating to erotic twitter-feeds, or else scrolling rapidly up and down pages of ASCII art so it kind of looks like Jessica Rabbit deepthroating if you squint hard enough through the tears.

PROTIP: Crying actually helps, as the watery blurriness lends a semblance of softness to the 3s making up her hair.

You'll have to start keeping a mental tab of your friends' Internet habits -- who is usually through their bandwidth by what point in the month - and carefully decide who you share content with. Why bother sending Jim that video of a cat sledding down the stairs on the back of an unconscious toddler? You know that bastard loves his Call of Duty; he's always burnt through all of his data by the first Thursday of every month. Guess he'll just have to wait until August to get all the new meme references. They'll still totally be funny by then, right?

But at least AT&T is making sure nobody's going to be caught off guard when they reach their cap: Users will be sent warnings at 65 percent, 90 percent and again at 100 percent of their allotted data. But warnings aren't going to be enough -- you'll know when you're going over, sure, but not how much each item is costing you, and whether or not it's worth it. When bandwidth is a finite resource, websites will have to roll out info-warnings in their links, like fast food menus.

But these are all just inconveniences so far. One of the major fears is that stifling broadband caps will strangle the online economy, which is the only one even sort of working these days. That's probably not the case, however: Website designers will have a veritable boom phase as companies scramble to reduce their bandwidth footprint, while the more thorough designers can just straight up retire -- all they have to do is comb through their archives and sell companies back their own website code from 1997.

My God, it's already begun ...

Physical media will come roaring back from the brink of destruction. Record, game, and maybe even book stores will come back into play in a world where everybody's watching their data usage. Far from hurting our economy, bandwidth caps might actually be the move that drags us out of this recession. Think about it: Economically speaking, we were doing pretty good back in the late-90s. It might be a blessing that we're about to bent over and humped all the way back there.

Even we comedy writers stand to benefit from data restrictions: No longer will we have to do the arguably marginal "real work" that we put into articles like this today. As long as we make sure all of our sources hotlink to PDFs of heavily illustrated books -- oh, the extravagant lies we could tell! It's a whole different game when internet pedants have to measure out exactly how much nitpicking is worth in real dollars.

Oh, but that's assuming we'll still have jobs, which is doubtful, since free content on the internet will be the first thing to go. Who's going to tolerate bullshit ads when you have to pay for the very data needed to download them? If we do survive, it'll likely be on a pay-to-view system. If you can't afford it, don't worry: There will probably be an entire black market of bootleg internet trivia thriving in shady Chinatown alleyways where skinny men with bad teeth hock printouts of the 7 Farts That Changed History -- because what else are you going to do? Go outside? Talk to your family?

Thanks, stock photos! This looks totally natural.

They'll have to kick out all the head shops and hobo villages currently nesting in the ruins of old Blockbuster stores once Netflix and Hulu collapse. And they will collapse: One proponent of the new plan actually argues that the caps aren't so bad because, even with the high-end limits in place, you could still stream up to one HD movie a day before you run out of bandwidth. One whole movie! Per day! Of course, that also means you'll have to decide between Netflix, pornography, gaming, and regular internet usage ...

Oh god, the gaming!

Online gaming is already set to take a good, solid kick to the beanbags with the dissolution of data-intensive services like DLC, Steam, and on-demand consoles like OnLive. But the virtual sack-thwacking will only get worse from there: Multiplayer games have to track every bullet, every jump, every throat-shattering cry of "fagg0tzz!" that occurs during gameplay, which makes them absolute bandwidth monsters. Anybody using a connection with a bandwidth cap is going to have cut way, way down on their online play, or else the games themselves will have to fundamentally change. Graphics for at least the online content of games will be thrown all the way back to the "-bit" era, or maybe even to the fabled "imagination" era. Luckily, we old-school nerds know what that means: The re-launch of the MUD.

Speaking of text-based gaming, that brings up a pretty good general strategy for dealing with the bandwidth capped future: Rediscover the joys of imagination. And you should probably start soon - the more practice you get in now, the less you'll feel the sting when the caps come crashing down and we're no longer spoiled by streaming reels of infinite high-def media spooling out before us. Imagination is about to make a big comeback, because pretty soon here, graphics have to start mattering less to online gamers, text is going to be your primary internet media, and friend, listen close, because this is important: You need to get in some practice picturing sci-fi starlets naked right now. It is a skill that I fear has atrophied in the nerds, and the loss of bandwidth is going to leave a hole in their libido that Playboy cannot fill. For everybody else, well, get thyself to porn-hounding and start filing away whatever you can't download into your mental masturbatory vault. With a little imagination and a well-stocked vault, you might just make it through this mess. If you need help, just remember the words of LeVar Burton:



 
Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 03-17-2011, 03:09 AM:
 
Well, there goes any hope for Blu-ray and DVD to be replaced with streaming videos for rent. Physical media will be with us forever with this kind of BS in place. But I suspect this will not be met well by the general public, especially the gaming side. And gaming is a bigger business than movies, folks.

Sounds like the clouds are falling, too.

The only thing that puts me off is that this is from Cracked.com. Cracked is a former humor magazine which competed with Mad and they are now a humor website, so I'll take it with a grain of salt for now.
 
Posted by Adam Martin (Member # 641) on 03-17-2011, 12:16 PM:
 
Comcast has had bandwidth caps since 2008.
 
Posted by Brad Miller (Member # 2) on 03-17-2011, 12:51 PM:
 
Click the links in the article, Joe.
 
Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 03-17-2011, 04:32 PM:
 
quote: Adam Martin
Comcast has had bandwidth caps since 2008.
I am a Comcast customer and I've never been informed of any bandwidth caps. And I download a crapton.
 
Posted by Mike Blakesley (Member # 26) on 03-17-2011, 05:22 PM:
 
You guys are talking like this is something permanent. If there is a big outcry, changes will happen.
 
Posted by Adam Martin (Member # 641) on 03-18-2011, 02:18 AM:
 
quote: Comcast
Announcement Regarding An Amendment to Our Acceptable Use Policy

We've listened to feedback from our customers who asked that we provide a specific threshold for data usage and this would help them understand the amount of usage that would qualify as excessive. Today, we're announcing that beginning on October 1, 2008, we will amend our Acceptable Use Policy (AUP) available at http://www.comcast.com/policies and establish a specific monthly data usage threshold of 250 GB/month per account for all residential customers.

Most major ISPs are capping or have proposed caps for residential broadband bandwidth in one way or another, in some cases varying the caps depending on the service purchased.
 
Posted by Bobby Henderson (Member # 840) on 03-18-2011, 12:05 PM:
 
I can't help but wonder if these bandwidth caps have something to do with preserving the traditional business model of cable/broadcast television.

More and more people I know are searching for ways to cut costs in response to rising prices of food, fuel and many other things. A real obvious target is cable TV. Many subscribers are paying upwards of $100 per month or more for cable/satellite TV service. I'm currently paying around $60 per month for a fairly basic Dish Network package (Top 120, HBO, free Platinum HD & Starz channels for a year). Someone can pay $20-$30 per month for Netflix & Hulu Plus. People who really know how to use torrents well don't pay anything at all, but I think that's a pretty small part of the population.

A migration of cable customers to Netflix takes money out of cable and broadcasting companies two ways. The monthly subscription revenue is lost with streaming services getting some of that money and customers keeping the savings. The cable and broadcast companies also lose out in advertising revenue. If people aren't watching TV in a traditional manner TV program ratings fall and it hurts the business of selling commercials. Never mind the fact lots of people watch TV shows by first recording them to DVRs so they can fast forward past the commercials.

I see these bandwidth caps as a negative thing to the overall economy. The media/entertainment business is only one of many industries in the United States. It serves the greater good to steadily increase the speed of the Internet and not impose draconian bandwidth caps. Throttling connections and limiting downloads will hurt this country's ability to compete with others. The United States is already lagging way behind several industrialized nations in terms of Internet speed and bandwidth available to computers and mobile phones. And now companies like AT&T want to make that disadvantage even worse.
 
Posted by Leo Enticknap (Member # 534) on 03-20-2011, 03:29 PM:
 
quote: Bobby Henderson
People who really know how to use torrents well don't pay anything at all, but I think that's a pretty small part of the population.
And trying to deal with them by throttling bandwidth is a double-edged sword. Going down the legal route is a recipe for bad publicity. One of our biggest broadband providers, BT, recently found themselves on the receiving end of a PR disaster after they tipped off the police who smashed in the door of an elderly couple at 6am and arrested them for copyright theft; it turned out that the teenager next door had been downloading torrents through his neighbour's unsecured wifi router. However much techno-literate people such as those on this forum might conclude that it served them right, the majority of the population wouldn't agree with us; and so if ISPs can limit the distribution of bootleg content by limiting the bandwidth used to distribute it, then from their point of view that's probably a preferable option from being associated with a front page story about the bogies carting some granny off to the cells in handcuffs at 6am. The problem is this approach also limits legal and paid-for content downloading as well; and companies selling film and TV content online are not going to like this move by AT & T, I'd have thought.

quote: Bobby Henderson
I see these bandwidth caps as a negative thing to the overall economy. The media/entertainment business is only one of many industries in the United States.
True, but it's the only one I can think of that is in the business of selling large quantities of data (as in, several GB at time) to residential consumers through their broadband connections. I can't think of any other online product or service sold to consumers that involves those quantities of data. It'll be interesting to see if consumer ISPs come under pressure from the entertainment industry to abandon these bandwidth caps (or alternatively, exempt their content from them as part of a separate deal), or whether they'll just revert to physical media again if needs be; which of course Netflix could do very easily, because it still has that discs-through-the-mail infrastructure.
 
Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 03-20-2011, 04:27 PM:
 
quote: Leo Enticknap
However much techno-literate people such as those on this forum might conclude that it served them right
I don't think anyone on this forum would think it served them right. You have the wrong impression of us here at Film-Tech. We fight for justice and the American way... even if that is an oxymoron.

As for Comcast being 250GB per month, I'll go on record and say that Jen streams a ton of stuff from Netflix, including many HD TV series. I wouldn't be surprised if we easily went over the cap on Netflix and Hulu alone. Comcast has never once bitched about it. Hell, they raised my bandwidth to about 22mbps down and I think 8mbps up without me asking or increasing my price.
 
Posted by Jake Spell (Member # 5294) on 03-20-2011, 05:15 PM:
 
Iv had Comcast for a few years and am myself a gamer and heavy watcher of online content as well as streaming music and watching downloaded content on Direct TV and have never gotten any extra charges for usage
 
Posted by Ian Price (Member # 14) on 03-20-2011, 06:37 PM:
 
AT&T also announced that they are buying T-Mobile for $39b from Deutsche Telekom.

I don't want to be an AT&T customer. Perhaps this will be a way out of my 2-year contract for smart phones that when you add it all up are quite expensive.
 
Posted by Bobby Henderson (Member # 840) on 03-20-2011, 10:11 PM:
 
quote: Leo Enticknap
True, but it's the only one I can think of that is in the business of selling large quantities of data (as in, several GB at time) to residential consumers through their broadband connections.
With the type of bandwidth cap AT&T is proposing (150GB per month) I can see a lot of different kinds of business being affected. Take the growing trend of "telecommuting" for instance. People work at home to save on the rising costs of commuting and the company saves money on office space. Most telecommuting arrangements need serious bandwidth for sharing data and video for each employee.

More businesses are sending and receiving serious amounts of data. Some of it is data between customers or video. A business will use a lot of bandwidth by using the Internet to back up important data off site.

Computer software companies may be affected by bandwidth caps. They're trying hard to move customers toward buying software "from the cloud" rather than buying packaged media. If I have a 150GB cap on my DSL connection I'm going to burn up a serious chunk of that by purchasing an Adobe Creative Suite upgrade or even just a couple video games. Anyone with a Netflix subscription could go over a 150GB limit pretty easily.

quote: Ian Price
I don't want to be an AT&T customer. Perhaps this will be a way out of my 2-year contract for smart phones that when you add it all up are quite expensive.
With AT&T, Verizon and Sprint set to be the only major providers left it probably won't make too much of a difference where a mobile phone customer goes. Prices are going to be pretty high and perhaps even higher no matter what.
 
Posted by Adam Martin (Member # 641) on 03-20-2011, 11:49 PM:
 
The caps we are talking about are for residential accounts, not business accounts.
 
Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 03-21-2011, 01:40 AM:
 
Yeah, that's what "telecommuting" means.
 
Posted by Leo Enticknap (Member # 534) on 03-21-2011, 07:14 AM:
 
quote: Joe Redifer
I don't think anyone on this forum would think it served them right. You have the wrong impression of us here at Film-Tech. We fight for justice and the American way... even if that is an oxymoron.
Sorry ... what I meant is that if someone leaves their wireless router with no security on it whatsoever, an argument you would hear from the technically literate is that they only have themselves to blame if others start logging on and stealing bandwidth from them: the analogy often used being that if you leave your front door wide open after you leave for work, well, it's not very surprising if you get home and find that your house has been burgled. The argument from the less technically savvy would be that consumer gear should not be sold in a way that allows this to happen. But there again, has anyone seriously suggested that cars should only be sold if it's impossible to crash them? I'm not defending the police arresting innocent people at all (though these people could have helped themselves a bit more) - just pointing out that if you go down the legal route in an attempt to combat consumer-level piracy, you let yourself in for a PR nightmare.

quote: Bobby Henderson
With the type of bandwidth cap AT&T is proposing (150GB per month) I can see a lot of different kinds of business being affected. Take the growing trend of "telecommuting" for instance. People work at home to save on the rising costs of commuting and the company saves money on office space. Most telecommuting arrangements need serious bandwidth for sharing data and video for each employee.
Interesting. I work from home probably one day every couple of weeks or so, and during that day I use Outlook Web Access to stay in touch with work; but I wouldn't have thought that this would come close to 150gb/month, even if I was self-employed and working at home full-time. I can see that videoconferencing would put you up against this if you spent hours each day at it: I guess I just don't operate in a professional environment where that is normal. My own home broadhand has a 40gb/month cap, and I've never even used half of it, even in months where I've downloaded big service packs and/or spent a long time on Skype. If I started streaming or downloading BD-quality films (40-50gb each) on a regular basis I soon would, though. And the last time I installed Adobe Creative Suite and then immediately downloaded all the updates, IIRC the download came to about 300mb; and so you'd have to do that several hundred times a month in order for a 150gb limit to become an issue.

I suspect that the long-term solution to this will be a business model whereby suppliers and customers of data split the up-front cost. For example, Netflix does a deal with the major ISPs whereby it pays them so much a month, in return for which Netflix data is exempted from their customers' monthly bandwidth allowance. The cost of that bandwidth is then incorporated into your Netflix subscription: the online equivalent of what they do at the moment, whereby you get post-free envelopes to send your DVDs back in, but the cost of the postage is built into your monthly fee.
 
Posted by Bobby Henderson (Member # 840) on 03-21-2011, 11:25 AM:
 
Some telecommuting operations make use of various web-connected cameras to constantly monitor what employees are doing (or not doing). This isn't such a big deal in terms of bandwidth if the cameras are only streaming SD quality video. But most new web cameras are featuring at least 720p HD capability.

quote: Leo Enticknap
And the last time I installed Adobe Creative Suite and then immediately downloaded all the updates, IIRC the download came to about 300mb; and so you'd have to do that several hundred times a month in order for a 150gb limit to become an issue.
What creative suite is this? The CS5 Design Premium suite requires 9.5GB of hard disc space on Windows and over 10GB on Mac OSX. CS5 Production Premium uses 16.3GB of hard disc space on Windows and over 20GB on OSX. The Master Collection weighs 24.3GB on Windows and 26.3GB on OSX.

I'm sure Adobe applies some sort of lossless compression system on download installers, but it isn't getting installations over those massive sizes down to something under a single gigabyte.

Some other applications I use require massive downloads. Roland VersaWorks, a large format printing "RIP" application (short for "raster into Postscript") often requires a giant sized update when newly installed. The last time I re-installed it on a computer the update weighed over 2GB. I regularly ftp giant sized Photoshop files to billboard face printing companies. Multi-page layouts in Adobe InDesign with assets included can burn lots of disc space. AT&T's DSL bandwidth cap would not be friendly to that activity. I might have to look at jumping ship to cable, provided our local provider (Fidelity) doesn't already have some sort of cap like this already in place.
 
Posted by Jim Cassedy (Member # 4115) on 03-30-2011, 04:43 PM:
 
I worked for "the phone company" for almost 15 years. One thing you have to remember is that "AT&T" is no longer the "AT&T" it used to be. Several years ago it was taken over by "SBC", a bunch of the most money grubbing bastards you'll ever encounter.

They kept the "AT&T" name, but then began running the "old AT&T" into the ground, as they have done with every one of the other (more than a dozen) phone companies they plundered begining in the late 1990's.

BE PREPARED FOR UNPLEASENT SURPRISES!

I finially got around to reading the entire new TOS agreement today. Aside from the data caps, you are agreeing to let them transition you from standard AT&T DSL service to "U-VERSE DSL" at their disecretion. This already happened to me.

Last summer, I found out I had to move because my house had mold & dry rot. I found a nice apartment in the same neighborhood - - only 5 blocks away from my old house.

I still have sets of cable-maps for this area. My new place was fed out of the same central office and I was on the same main-cable-feeder route.

This was NOT a major engineering challange! It should have required nothing more than 'swinging a few jumpers" on the main
distribution frame at the CO and the B-box closest to my new place.

They got EVERY aspect of my service order wrong. It took them 3 weeks to get my new service up & running. They missed FOUR promised "service due dates".

Then, they told me that I could no longer get "standard DSL" in my area and that all new orders (and eventually everyone in this neighborhood) would be converted to "U-Verse DSL" service.

The end result:
> The U-verse DSL is costing me almost twice as much as
my old DSL.
> U-Verse DSL required a different type of modem, which
wound up costing me an additional $75.
> My old 'standard' DSL CPE was a modem/router/wireless
gateway. The U-verse modem is a MODEM ONLY. So, if you
want to retain you home wi-fi, you've got to shell out
even more money for a wireless router.
(fortunately - I had an old one sitting around so I
didn't incurr the cost of also buying one)

> They also moved me to a more expensive phone service
tier.

- - and if you call too much to complain they flag your
account as a "problem customer".

So, if you have "standard DSL" service from AT&T, be
prepared at some point in the future to be moved to
"U-Verse DSL" - - wether you like it or not. According
to their new TOS agreement, they can do it at any time.
 




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