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Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 06-02-2011, 07:26 PM:
 
Authentic video from MicroSoft

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p92QfWOw88I

My thoughts (which shouldn't be read until after you have watched the video):
Why does everything need to be touch screen? Sure, W8 will work with a keyboard and mouse "if that's what you have", says MicroSoft. They say it as if everyone so desperately wants to touch the damn screen. I hate the touch screen interface on the iPhone and iPad. Keyboard and mouse is so much more efficient. Imagine trying to edit video or work in Photoshop or Illustrator with a touch screen interface. Although I imagine it could work, I can't imagine it working well. Also, that Start screen nonsense needs to go. I sure hope there is a "classic" mode which makes it look like Windows from 15 years ago (Windows 2000).

So are we stuck with this touch stuff from now on? For kiosks and shitty phones I guess it is fine, but for desktop computers? What's the next big thing? Controlling our computers with voice? That would suck for porn surfing.
 

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Posted by Bruce Hansen (Member # 281) on 06-02-2011, 07:34 PM:
 
I like to eat jelly dounuts while working on the computer, so that touch screen thing is a bad idea.
 

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Posted by Lionel Fouillen (Member # 1475) on 06-02-2011, 07:48 PM:
 
Joe, enjoy the thrills of mass marketing !

They annoy us with 3D at the movies, thinking that everybody loves it, and even that everybody should love it, and if you don't, you're old/retard/overconservative. Now Microsoft considers everybody must be waiting for touch screen computers.

Apple does the same. I'm a hardcore Mac user, having both a Mac and an iPhone. This virtual iPhone keyboard is the least convenient keyboard I ever used, making my iPhone the worst phone ever to text someone, mainly due to the absence of arrows to navigate in the text. And Steve Jobs announced that they're "bringing back to the Mac the good things of iOS" ? Wow, I pray for my MacBookPro to keep working another year or two without forcing me to adopt Lion.

What's the next thing? Stadium-seating keyboards? Because all keys following a slight slope, that's just too flat?
 

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Posted by James Westbrook (Member # 3690) on 06-02-2011, 11:40 PM:
 
*pounds head on desk*
Do.......not.....want!
 

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Posted by Frank Angel (Member # 248) on 06-03-2011, 12:19 AM:
 
Windows 8 -- Wow, WAY cool name! That's what the creative "team" came up with? Did someone put that up on that fabulous wall of creative ideas that's supposed to impress us?

So the nice new 27in monitor that I just bought needs to be junked so I can get dizzy with crap zooming across a monitor screen I have to point to over and over? I can't just buy a new computer, now we all have to replace our monitors as well. EVERY monitor with this new OS has to be a touch screen monitor, yes? They are asking us to junk perfectly good, working moniors just for this Windows? So right off the bat, its ecologically irresponsible and for what purpose? Consumerism gone amuck. More planet resourses turned into junk for the landfills with a half-life of a couple of millennia.

Hey, we all know why MS worked so hard on this astounding nonsense -- it's that they want to claim a "revolutionary new" look a few jumps ahead of Apple. For the longest time, Microsoft has had a huge corporate inferiority complex because Apple had what was perceived as a much "cooler" UI than the PC, and MS has always been constantly in a catch-up mode. With every new Windows incarnation they were always trying to look like an Apple but without violating patents. I guess Gates finally thinks this is MS's big leap-frog ahead of Apple, but in reality it certainly is stealing the touch screen look from the iPhone, so they STILL can't claim to be the first with some totally new kind of interface -- fact is, Apple had it first, only on a smaller scale. And touch screen monitor technology is certainly nothing new (or to write home about either).

But this is application of it and the fancy UI does NOTHING useful; it's all flash and no substance -- just sounding brass and tinkling cymbals. I mean, for years, the FIRST thing I do is shut off all the animated menu options in MS Apps. And the first time I worked with a Mac, I asked the guy, "How do I turn off this stupid animated nonsense on the bottom of the screen that looks like barrel distortion in motion?" "Oh," sez he, "but why would you do that?....it's so COOL." I scowl and say, "Because it's so brainless and I HATE cool almost as much as I hate cute."

What are we, infants in a crib with a shiny mobile hanging in front of us with which we're supposed to be fascinated because it moves if we touch it? Screw MS. I guess for the same reasons I didn't like Macs, now I can REALLY hate Windows 8. A curse on BOTH their fluff houses.

Make the world a damn operating system that doesn't get garbaged up and slowed down after a few months of operation; make us an OS that has such rock solid, impenetrable security that it doesn't have to spawn a entire anti-virus software industry; how about building that security as integral and native to the OS? HUH? How about a Registry that CLEANS ITS EFFIN SELF?! Build THAT in! How bout an OS that cannot display the word "BUFFERING"?

Oh yah, and when shit happens that is so severe that the operating system decides it needs to send the problem details back to its creator -- instead of it giving me a message thanking me for helping Microsoft, how about that freaky Microsoft "team" that worked so hard making it so my fingers can type on the monitor screen instead of a perfectly functional KEYBOARD, how about have them send a FIX back to my computer instead of a useless thank you message? THAT would actually be worth something, instead of them spending all that energy trying to mimic the iPhone.

I want a meat and potatoes OS from MS that WORKS and never has to say BOO to me about a problem. If an OP knows enough to send me an error message, make it so that it can diagnose and FIX the error -- isn't that the very metaphysical nature of what a computer IS....a diagnostic tool? Physician heal thyself!

Bottom line, I am not interested in some foo-foo eye candy designed to entertain a two year old and make computer illiterates think they are cool computer whizzes.

Windows 8 = (How's THAT for an animated icon....and you didn't even have to touch the screen!!)
 

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Posted by Brad Miller (Member # 2) on 06-03-2011, 01:49 AM:
 
Watching that video simply makes me angry.

Microsoft is #1 for a reason. Looks like they don't care about keeping that throne since they are willing to destroy a good SOLID operating system interface with this fluffy animated iShit.

I skipped Vista for a reason. I also have refused to use Windows 7 for a reason. If there is no way to disable this crap, I will be skipping Windows 8 as well.

XP in classic mode is a real computer. When I click on something it pops up instantly. I don't have to wait and watch it funnel up in position via a tornado swirl in some lame attempt to impress me. I also appreciate having TEXT in the taskbar at the bottom of the screen. Having only icons to identify what I am working on is a joke.
 

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Posted by Mike Blakesley (Member # 26) on 06-03-2011, 02:25 AM:
 
I don't know what you guys are going so batshit about. It says in the video that it'll work with a keyboard/mouse. The only reason they're going all touchy with it is so it'll run on iPad-type devices which you gotta admit, are awful popular.

Plus, this thing is probably at least 3 years away from the marketplace so who knows what it'll look like when it finally comes out. And, the guy clearly says that Windows 8 is a "code name" so they'll probably come out with a really cool name when they finally release it, like "Windows '14" or something.

I agree with Frank about the need for a nice robust OS that is secure. But that could crash the Silicon Valley economy, so it'll never happen.

FWIW I switched my computer here from XP to Win7 about a year ago and pretty much every problem I had with this machine vanished and has not returned, so I'm a Win7 fan.
 

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Posted by Andy Frodsham (Member # 4061) on 06-03-2011, 02:47 AM:
 
Microsoft, as ever, get away with murder!

I still remember the great scam perpetrated on us all in the days of the Windows 3.0 to 3.1 'upgrade', and the Vista 'joke' is still very fresh in most of our memories!

I hate paying good money for 'faulty' goods or, worse still, to be used by Bill Gates as an unpaid 'beta tester'!
 

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Posted by Monte L Fullmer (Member # 2797) on 06-03-2011, 02:59 AM:
 
I thinks this Win8 is all heading towards the touchpad, for when you look at some facts, touchpads are gaining on the sales while laptop sales are slipping for portable computers.

There could be a new generation of touchscreen flat panels (like the ELO touchscreen monitors that a lot of POS terminals currently uses) that can really benefit with Win8.

It could head towards a marketing thing where you buy a touchpad with this new Win8 installed, or have the option to install this Win8.

It's all heading towards ease of use. But, watch out: maybe APPLE will go a step farther and come out with an OS that uses the webcam to monitor eye movement to activate the cursor on the screen where no hands are needed.

It's not going to end......

-Monte
 

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Posted by Mike Blakesley (Member # 26) on 06-03-2011, 11:14 AM:
 
How about this: They could come out with Windows Business, which would be designed for desktops and laptops, and then Windows Pleasure (insert your own porn joke here) which would be for the touchscreen crowd, which if you look at that video, are apparenly mostly concerned with looking at and arranging photos, and playing games.
 

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Posted by Bobby Henderson (Member # 840) on 06-03-2011, 11:49 AM:
 
Remember the old saying? K.I.S.S. Keep It Simple Stupid.

IMHO, Microsoft is clearly getting caught up in the mania of pouring more enhancements into the user interface and losing total sight of why people use personal computers. From what I saw in that video about Windows 8, it looks like a slick interface for a sales kiosk. But it doesn't look like something I want to use as a computing work space. Too much of it looks like it would get in the way of how I want to use the machine.

I have two fundamental needs with a personal computer.
1. I use it to run applications to create and finish work.
2. I use it to store & organize the work, which consists of files.

Any real improvement to an operating system should make it easier, faster and more reliable to do one of the two fundamental purposes I just mentioned. Anything else is just window dressing or completely irrelevant.

I think Microsoft is taking this obvious departure from personal computer UI design as a panicked reaction to all the hysteria surrounding the iPhone and iPad. They're trying to make Windows into something that competes with those products. The problem is a personal computer has a very different purpose from a smart phone or tablet device.

Devices like Android phones, iPads, etc. are designed only for viewing media and interacting with it in limited ways. Traditional personal computers (desktops and notebooks) are made to create media as well as store very large amounts of it. The user interface of a personal computing operating system needs to be tailored to that purpose. The PC is not a freaking phone or TV set. It's smarter and far more powerful than that.

When I work, I want to see as little of the operating system UI as possible. I want it to get the hell out of my way. I even use applications like Photoshop and Illustrator in such a manner that their UI trash isn't getting in the way of my work either. When I can see more of my work, less of menus and still get lots of things done fast then I am happy.

The same thing goes for organizing files. Microsoft deserves a lot of heat over this. They bury Windows Explorer farther and farter into hidden menus and what not. Instead they want people hopping through 23 different window screens just to find a file in some sub-folder on a hard disc or thumb drive. I think it's much faster and far more simple to use the file tree in Explorer. Same goes for the Finder on a Mac. The menu system in Microsoft Office applications make me angry. There's a lot of needless complication and visual embellishment when all I want to see in the upper left corner is a "File" menu and have it offer the standard choices. They started pulling this crap with Windows Media Player a few years ago and the infection of stupidity spread across Microsoft's product line.

quote: Joe Redifer

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Imagine trying to edit video or work in Photoshop or Illustrator with a touch screen interface.

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The menu system in Microsoft Office applications make me angry. There's a lot of needless complication and visual embellishment when all I want to see in the upper left corner is a "File" menu and have it offer the standard choices.

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What are we, infants in a crib with a shiny mobile hanging in front of us with which we're supposed to be fascinated because it moves if we touch it?

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Posted by Mike Blakesley (Member # 26) on 06-04-2011, 06:12 PM:
 
That's just because there are too many people who love to bash Microsoft just for the sake of doing it. Diehard Mac users, for example. Why bash Microsoft when you don't use their stuff?

It reminds me of how every time there is a story in a newspaper website about some church thing, the comments get filled up with "non-believers" bashing religion. My question is, why are they even reading the church-related news?

I think if Microsoft figured out a way for your computer to automatically give you $10,000 a year, there would be people bitching because it wasn't $15,000.
 

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Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 06-04-2011, 06:34 PM:
 
The reverse is also true, Mike. People love bashing Apple. You can't say one deserves it while the other doesn't. BOTH deserve the bashing. While obviously you can't please everybody, perhaps the extreme negative outrage over this latest Windows will make MS change their plans before release.
 

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Posted by Chris Slycord (Member # 4239) on 06-04-2011, 07:15 PM:
 
Likely, Windows 8 will have an option to switch between this interface and a simpler one similar to Windows 7, although I'm with Brad on the idea that the bottom taskbar should have names instead of icons. That's definitely something that should be changed on 7.
 

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Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 06-04-2011, 08:01 PM:
 
You guys haven't enabled the Classic Mode in Windows 7?

Also, I'm not sure about text over icons in the task bar. Text takes up way too much room if you have a lot of stuff open and quickly becomes truncated. I like icons and display the full text if I hover over them like the Mac OS dock. I am familiar with my icons so I don't really find it confusing.
 

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Posted by Martin McCaffery (Member # 37) on 06-04-2011, 08:05 PM:
 
The scary thing about the linked video is how badly it is recorded. Are they trying to keep YouTube from being the future of filmed entertainment, or were they incapable of making a decent sounding and looking recording?
 

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Posted by Brad Miller (Member # 2) on 06-04-2011, 08:55 PM:
 
Can someone please post a screenshot of Windows 7 with classic mode enabled and a few different programs running (at least 2 instances of the same program)? I'm betting it isn't really classic mode.
 

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Posted by Chris Slycord (Member # 4239) on 06-04-2011, 09:35 PM:
 


And with multiple instances of the same program, there only is one "instance" showing in the bottom of the screen.

 

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Posted by Brad Miller (Member # 2) on 06-04-2011, 09:44 PM:
 
Wow, what a mess. I have some questions just based off of this image.

I see Internet Explorer there by the start button. Is that there because you actually use IE (remind me to slap you) or because Windows won't let you delete it?

I also see Windows Explorer (which is good), some play button, what I think is Windows Media Player, an icon of a game controller and a bird (or maybe a dog's head). THAT is exactly my point. What is that??? WHY can they not have actual TEXT there??? And if you have two IE windows open, I'll bet you only get one little "e" icon forcing you to either double click or hover, wait and THEN click, right?

EDIT - I saw you just posted a second screenshow. Where are the normal FILE - EDIT menus?
 

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Posted by Chris Slycord (Member # 4239) on 06-04-2011, 09:49 PM:
 
The IE icon is there by default. I've just never bothered removing it from the taskbar. And to your other question, check that I edited the post with another screenshot. Your guess is correct. You get one icon at the bottom of the page no matter how many instances you've got of a program running.

And you don't see the file menu because chrome browser defaults to not using them and puts it all in the little options icon on the far right...
 

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Posted by Brad Miller (Member # 2) on 06-04-2011, 10:06 PM:
 
Icons are stupid. Windows 7 still sucks. I know I am not the only person who feels that way and continues to stick with XP because of it. Microsoft screwed up by not providing some sort of XP view.
 

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Posted by Randy Stankey (Member # 64) on 06-04-2011, 10:25 PM:
 
That funny looking icon is the GIMP.

http://www.gimp.org/
 

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Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 06-04-2011, 10:55 PM:
 
LOL, you guys don't know Windows 7's Classic mode very well. I'll have to find my hard drive with W7 on it in a bit and plug it in to my Mac and boot it up.

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I also see Windows Explorer (which is good), some play button, what I think is Windows Media Player, an icon of a game controller and a bird (or maybe a dog's head). THAT is exactly my point. What is that???

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If it was an application that you personally used, you'd know. The only time it would ever be confusing is the first time you used it, but even then since you didn't recognize it, you'd probably figure it was for the new application you just installed. If you are still confused, I'm pretty sure that W7 lets you hover your mouse over it and the full text is revealed.
 

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Posted by Chris Slycord (Member # 4239) on 06-04-2011, 11:23 PM:
 
I was figuring when you said "classic mode" you meant enabling the classic theme, which I did. But now I see what it is that you were referring to (I think).

In any case, Brad, you can make the taskbar have separate icons for each running instance of a program. And when you do have it use separate instances it gives you a little bit of an idea of what the software does in that it'll show text of any filename followed by the program name (but just by glancing this won't necessarily tell you what the software really does).

Here's a screenshot of that with two chrome browsers, libreoffice writer and spreadsheet, card game, plus gimp but run in non-classic theme


 

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Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 06-04-2011, 11:42 PM:
 
Yeah, here is how it looks in CLASSIC mode:



Ooops I guess I can't show you because PNG doesn't work on Film-Tech. What the fuck, Adam? It's 2011, not 1996.

Anyway, it looks exactly like Windows 98.
 

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Posted by Brad Miller (Member # 2) on 06-05-2011, 02:48 AM:
 

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I'm pretty sure that W7 lets you hover your mouse over it and the full text is revealed.

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Here's a screenshot of that with two chrome browsers, libreoffice writer and spreadsheet, card game, plus gimp but run in non-classic theme

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Ooops I guess I can't show you because PNG doesn't work on Film-Tech.

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Use your fancy schmantsy Photoshop to convert it to a jpg.

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Can the taskbar be raised to 2 or 3 rows?

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And what is this gimp and why do I care?

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Pulp Fiction was an awesome movie, but I don't need to be reminded of it every 5 minutes of the day.

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Every ten minutes, then? I agree every 5 is too much.
 

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Posted by Brad Miller (Member # 2) on 06-05-2011, 11:58 AM:
 
Here is your pic in wonderful jpg Joe





And THAT is pretty close to awesome. I'll have to give Windows 7 a shot and see if I can turn off the "i" to achieve that.
 

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Posted by Sean Weitzel (Member # 244) on 06-05-2011, 01:51 PM:
 
I had win7 initially configured like Joe, but eventually spiced it up a little bit.
For example, While I don't have a problem with the more modern start button, I am a huge fan of the Quick Launch area, so I re-added the quicklaunch to the task bar. I also never understood "pinning" an application to the task bar. This is how my task bar normally looks


But if you want to be crazy, you can enable full text names for the quicklaunch icons:


One thing to be cautious of with Win 7 is that some legacy apps flatly will not even run with the whiz-bang aero desktop theme enabled, they REQUIRE the classic non-enhanced desktop. Also be VERY careful if you decide to install 64 bit. Lots of legacy 32 bit applications will run fine, but some won't. Also flash enabled websites will give you freezing issues since Adobe has their head up their ass and haven't come out with a stable 64 bit native flash that I am aware of at least.
 

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Posted by Mike Blakesley (Member # 26) on 06-05-2011, 02:02 PM:
 
I've used Adobe Pagemaker 7 for about a hundred years to make my newspaper ads. It's easy, quick and I know all the shortcuts. Then I would convert the file to PDF to send to the paper. But that's the ONE thing I can't get to work on Win7 -- PM's convert utility just hangs the program. I'm sure there's some other way to convert a Pagemaker file to a PDF, but haven't had time to research it yet. For now I do my ads on my computer at work, which still has XP.

Probably will begrudgingly abandon PM at some point, I guess... it makes me a little sad, since it was one of the first "high end" programs I owned. (Maybe this is a sign I should cut-out the newspaper advertising?!)
 

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Posted by Sean Weitzel (Member # 244) on 06-05-2011, 02:13 PM:
 
That's strange, Mike. I have Pagemaker 7 installed right here on this Win7 32 bit and don't have a problem exporting to PDF from within the app. Try uninstalling your printers, maybe a driver is in the way. If that doesn't help maybe try re-installing Acrobat or even uncheck the box that tries to auto display the exported PDF when the conversion is done.

The workaround should all this fail would be to purchase the full version of acrobat that allows PDF creation. It creates a virtual PDF printer. You just tell pagemaker to print to the PDF distiller.
 

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Posted by Frank Cox (Member # 6258) on 06-05-2011, 02:34 PM:
 
I use Scribus for my desktop publishing needs. It has a bit of a learning curve but it works very well and there is a Windows version (though I've never used that.)

Scribus is free software.

There is a section on the Scribus website that showcases some examples of what it can do. I have personally used it to create layouts for flyers, advertising cut sheets for both print and online, fridge magnets, labels for candy bags, custom printed plastic bags for my cotton candy, envelopes, business cards, notepads, signs, and probably a lot more stuff that I can't think of offhand. Friends of mine layout two weekly newspapers with it.
 

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Posted by Frank Angel (Member # 248) on 06-05-2011, 02:38 PM:
 

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I know I am not the only person who feels that way and continues to stick with XP because of it. Microsoft screwed up by not providing some sort of XP view.

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You're getting closer, but where is my START button and why are the quick launch icons wasting so much of the taskbar space?

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quote: Brad Miller

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Can the taskbar be raised to 2 or 3 rows?

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And what is this gimp and why do I care? I mean Pulp Fiction was an awesome movie, but I don't need to be reminded of it every 5 minutes of the day. (And don't tell me you don't think about that scene every time you hear "gimp".)

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gimp is a free/open source image manipulation program. And I wasn't reminding you of the program. I was pointing out what programs were in the screenshot as a comparison to earlier and for some strange reason when I was resizing images to throw them up on your fancy "i can only take 800 pixels-wide" website, I decided to leave the thing open.
 

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Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 06-05-2011, 03:35 PM:
 
What does everyone use the START button for? The only time I really ever use it is to go to the Control Panels menu or find the command prompt if I need to run some underdeveloped application. I never launch apps from it and as a file directory it sucks ass.
 

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Posted by Brad Miller (Member # 2) on 06-05-2011, 04:23 PM:
 
I played with a Windows 7 install for a bit today and indeed I can make it look like Joe's picture. Unfortunately they have jumbled most other things around trying to make it more "user friendly" so I now have to go FIND where they are. Other than that, I might give it some consideration, but geez Firefox 4 sucks. Any program that removes my standard file/edit/view/etc links at the top of the window pisses me off.
 

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Posted by Anslem Rayburn (Member # 1267) on 06-05-2011, 04:43 PM:
 
Brad, just click the Firefox button, go to options, and select Menu Bar. It will add the old File/Edit/View bar and get rid of the Firefox button.
 

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Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 06-05-2011, 08:03 PM:
 
My Firefox 4 has all of the FILE EDIT VIEW etc, but I am on the Mac version now. In fact I did install it on my Windows XP computer as well and they are still there I believe and I don't recall needing to turn them back on.

But anyway, as I've learned in the past, computers and their UI can't/won't stay the same forever. You will eventually need to learn the new locations of things or stop using new programs altogether since they won't be supported on older OS's. What if Dolby creates some bullshit that everyone needs that only works with Windows 8? And if you try to put it in a classic mode, the Dolby program breaks? Still, you can ever win because I'm sure there are a lot of essential programs that REQUIRE Windows ME or some such nonsense. You need old and new. I've found that the "compatibility modes" in Windows generally don't do shit.

That said, I don't care for the control panel in Windows 7. It groups things into ambiguous clusters instead of each having its own icon. That's an unnecessary extra click and sometimes you need to guess which one to click on.
 

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Posted by Scott Norwood (Member # 30) on 06-05-2011, 09:02 PM:
 
Has anyone else found the 32-bit version of Win7 to be signficantly less stable than the 64-bit version of same? That has been my observation with a few dozen users running it (mostly the 64-bit version).

I will also say that, if you want a 64-bit Windows OS, Win7 is the best option at the moment. WinXP-64 is fairly stable, but it was never very popular and hardware support (i.e. drivers) is pretty bad for most devices. Vista-64 is a bad joke.

The UI issues don't bother me much, as I have never particularly liked the Windows GUI. I just turn off all the eye candy (control panel->system->advanced->performance->adjust for best performance). Once this is done, performance improves noticeably.
 

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Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 06-05-2011, 10:59 PM:
 
I am running the 64-bit version of Windows 7 and have updated it every week and had no problems, though I still use the Mac OS more (which has a psuedo-64-bit OS). I think the OS updates come out each Wednesday. The service packs are just collections of those updates.
 

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Posted by Sean Weitzel (Member # 244) on 06-05-2011, 11:06 PM:
 
My windows 7 32 bit Professional on a Dell D620 laptop that I am currently typing this is hands down more reliable that Windows 7 64 bit Enterprise on an HP Elitebook 8530w that I use at the office. Both have the same apps installed.
 

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Posted by Monte L Fullmer (Member # 2797) on 06-06-2011, 12:06 AM:
 

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just click the Firefox button, go to options, and select Menu Bar

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My windows 7 32 bit Professional...

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Has anyone else found the 32-bit version of Win7 to be signficantly less stable than the 64-bit version of same?

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What does everyone use the START button for?

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If it was an application that you personally used, you'd know. The only time it would ever be confusing is the first time you used it, but even then since you didn't recognize it, you'd probably figure it was for the new application you just installed. If you are still confused, I'm pretty sure that W7 lets you hover your mouse over it and the full text is revealed.

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Ooops I guess I can't show you because PNG doesn't work on Film-Tech. What the fuck, Adam? It's 2011, not 1996.

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I've used Adobe Pagemaker 7 for about a hundred years to make my newspaper ads. It's easy, quick and I know all the shortcuts. Then I would convert the file to PDF to send to the paper. But that's the ONE thing I can't get to work on Win7 -- PM's convert utility just hangs the program.

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The Task Manager and Resource Monitor that you can get to from doing a CTRL-ALT-DEL is a wonder to behold with all the viewing options that you have.

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