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Posted by Claude S. Ayakawa (Member # 1401) on 05-01-2012, 12:05 AM:
 
There was a time when I was always the first among my photographic colleagues to get my hands on any innovative new products or photograpphic equipment.. But ever since I went Ito semi retirement, I could not do it anymore because I have to control my spending and only purchase essential things I need. After about two years since it was introduced, I finally got an iPad. I was planning to get the very latest model that was just introduced but some of my friends that have the first and second versions told me to get the iPad 2 because there is not much difference between it and the newer model.plus the older model was on a cleareance sale. I took their advice and got the 32 g. iPad 2 at a hundred dollar off and I love it. Basically, I am am using my new iPad as a sales tool to show my clients a portfolio of my work with it's very stunning image display The iPad also comes in handy when I have to go on the internet or check my email. I have also been using it to read the latest post here at Filmt -Tech and also respond to some threads or start a new one like I am doing now.

-Claude
 
Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 05-01-2012, 02:12 AM:
 
Film-Tech could use a mobile-friendly version of the site (not that it would matter for your iPad). But everyone is on their phone these days and a stripped-down version of the site would be good and very fast.
 
Posted by Mike Heenan (Member # 392) on 05-01-2012, 07:52 PM:
 
Your friends may have short changed you. There's probably not much difference between ipad 2 and ipad 3, other than the retina screen, which is like night and day in comparison. I remember holding my Iphone 4 next to an earlier ipad (not sure if it was the first or second model) and all the pixels became much more noticeable on the Ipad. I bought my ipad 3 the day it came out and don't regret it at all.
 
Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 05-01-2012, 09:14 PM:
 
The retina screen on the iPad 3 has more resolution than a typical d-cinema install, correct? The Retina screen on my iPod Touch is amazing.
 
Posted by Claude S. Ayakawa (Member # 1401) on 05-01-2012, 10:40 PM:
 
Even if the iPad 3 is better than the two previous models, I am more than happy with my iPad 2 and have no regret buying it. It it very interesting to find the iPad almost exactly like the iPod Touch only it is much larger. I also have a iPod Touch and it iis the very first model that came out in late 2007 and I still have and continue to use today.

-Claude
 
Posted by Robert E. Allen (Member # 1351) on 05-02-2012, 12:26 AM:
 
Geeze Claude, I finally found a cell phone that just makes and receives phone calls. It isn't connected to the internet, doesn't take pictures or play games and I had the texting feature (both incoming and outgoing) disconnected. And the buttons are big enough for me to get my fat fingers on. Hooray!!!!!!! And I've managed to make it to 80 years of age without any of those electronic gadgets. My quality of life hasn't suffered a bit.
 
Posted by Chris Slycord (Member # 4239) on 05-02-2012, 01:11 AM:
 
^^^ The fancy smart phones that go on the internet are generally programmable to make the buttons bigger, although the ones on my touchscreen are plenty big by default (although the electronic keyboard defaults to medium-ish sized keys).
 
Posted by Robert E. Allen (Member # 1351) on 05-02-2012, 12:15 PM:
 
Hey Chris, had I noticed you were in Redmond before I would have tried to contact you. I was there last week visiting a daughter who lives there. I met my wife in Lynnwood when we were working the now closed Lynn Twin and I also worked a number of houses for the Seattle and Everett I.A. Locals.
 
Posted by Chris Slycord (Member # 4239) on 05-02-2012, 06:05 PM:
 
It's no biggie. I imagine you thought I was in Texas, since I'd only moved back here recently.
 
Posted by Monte L Fullmer (Member # 2797) on 05-02-2012, 06:56 PM:
 
Like my wife's sister - she just wants to talk on her cel and has no use for texting...

Yet, we love to tease her once in a while with a text message..and her husband have to open the message section up to see the message and who it's from.

..she gets so mad at the bunch of us for doing so....
 
Posted by Dennis Benjamin (Member # 1137) on 05-03-2012, 09:56 AM:
 
Apple Products are for hippies...
 
Posted by Bobby Henderson (Member # 840) on 05-03-2012, 01:01 PM:
 
I would be more interested in the iPad3 if it weren't lacking a few things.

The lack of Siri is a big drawback. The feature has been so hyped on the iPhone 4S that it was kind of expected to be in the next iPad. I'm surprised it wasn't.

At least one or more USB ports would have been nice for attaching devices like a real keyboard or external hard disc drive. There's no slots for removable flash card storage. For all the iPad3's chops at displaying high res graphics the lack of expandable storage puts it at a big disadvantage for viewing lots of big images and HD quality videos. I guess you have to use some combination of WiFi and/or Bluetooth to back up files if the iPad will even let you do so.

There's no HDMI port for attaching the iPad3 to a HDTV set. I think you have to buy some Apple branded "air" thingie to get WiDi style functions.

Does the iPad3 have a pen/stylus for drawing/writing directly on the screen? It would be pretty cool if a future iPad had pressure sensitive pen capability, similar to Wacom's really expensive Cintiq graphics tablet monitors. I'd love to have one of their new 24" monitors, but the $2500 price is a bit steep.
 
Posted by Scott Jentsch (Member # 1681) on 05-08-2012, 03:59 PM:
 
It's unfortunate that Siri wasn't included on the iPad 3 (new iPad). It would be interesting to know why, as the processor should be up to the task, and I would imagine most iPads are within reach of a WiFi or 3G connection. Maybe they were concerned about overloading the Siri system?

At first I thought that not having a USB port and/or card reader would be a big hindrance, but it hasn't. When you think about it, it makes sense that those items aren't included. A USB port brings with it all kinds of compatibility issues. Is this hard drive compatible? What about that USB keyboard? That said, there are Bluetooth devices, such as keyboards, that are available for the iPad to extend its functionality and/or meet individual needs/preferences.

At first, I thought that an SD card slot would not only give me access to photos on a larger screen than on my camera, but it would also provide extra storage capacity in case I came short. However, I have a 16GB iPad2 and I've never run into a space issue. Granted, I don't try loading several movies and thousands of 10MP photos, so it all depends on how each person uses their device. With a greater emphasis on cloud-based computing, having large amounts of internal storage is becoming less important. It would be nice to be able to pop in an SD card from my camera and view them on the iPad's screen, though. Apple does make a $29 adapter that does this, so it's available if I ever want to do so.

Speaking of additional accessories, the Apple Digital AV Adapter allows you to mirror everything you see on the iPad to a TV for $39. Some TV's, A/V receivers, and devices like the AppleTV are AirPlay compatible, which would keep you from having to tether the iPad with an HDMI cable running across the floor.

You can buy a stylus for the iPad, but it doesn't come with one. For the most part, you don't need one, as the interface was designed intentionally not to need it (Steve Jobs felt that the interface on tablets failed if it required a stylus to use). That said, I do have one, but I rarely use it. I got it so that my wife could sign for things at a local vendor who uses an iPad and the Square reader for taking credit card payments. Signing your name with your finger is kind of odd at first... I played with the stylus for a little while, but it's not necessary, and there was no need to carry it around.

At the risk of sounding like an Apple commercial or some zealous "hippie" the iPad is very much a revolutionary device when it comes to how it has changed a majority of my family's computer use. It's overkill to read E-Mail or browse web pages or read RSS feeds on a desktop computer when you have a portable device that you can hold in your lap while you watch television or put on the table while you eat breakfast.

Claude, have you checked out any of the Portfolio apps for presenting photos? My brother is a photographer, and I've been looking at a few of them to show him what an iPad could do for his business. I'd be interested in your perspectives on them!
 
Posted by Pravin Ratnam (Member # 1417) on 05-09-2012, 04:05 PM:
 
i can't get used to using a smartphone. I prefer my old fashioned cell phone to make calls and easy to text when needed as it has a flip open like a book- keyboard with bigger screen option. And when I make calls, I want my phone to feel like a phone. Never go with the novelty ring tones either - just the usual ring ring. I am that old fashioned when it comes to phones. (not that old fashioned as I never want to use a rotary phone again).

My big fingers are just clumsy with navigating a smartphone's interface. So an Ipad looks like a good solution. It is easy to carry along especially if you buy those leather covers that make you not have to treat it carefully. Hell, I carry my 15.6 inch bulky Thinkpad around a lot. So compared to that an IPAD will feel like a smartphone to me.
 
Posted by Mike Blakesley (Member # 26) on 05-09-2012, 06:05 PM:
 
quote:
It's unfortunate that Siri wasn't included on the iPad 3 (new iPad). It would be interesting to know why,
I know why. It's so they can put it on a future iPad. I don't think they include ALL the great features they have achieved on new products. Heck no, they parcel them out a little at a time to keep folks upgrading.
 
Posted by Jeff Taylor (Member # 443) on 05-09-2012, 06:13 PM:
 
I know it's not the latest and greatest, but I'm very happy with my Nook Color. Now that they've added microsoft office and full internet, email, and video it does everything I need it to do. With the micro SD card I carry 30 movies, 5000 books, Netflix, and a reasonable selection of files with me. What more can you ask for $150?
 
Posted by Claude S. Ayakawa (Member # 1401) on 05-09-2012, 10:09 PM:
 
Sorry for not getting back to you sooner with the answer to your question, Scott. I have not looked into different kinds of photo portfolio aps for my iPad yet but I will eventually. All I have done so far was storing about a hundred images of the different kinds of photography work I do and I have been impressing a lot of people with them. Doing it on a iPad is hell of a lot better than showing my work to people on my Mac Book Pro laptop or my smartphone. I just cannot get over how gorgeous my images look on my new portable devise. I have also downloaded a lot of classical music from my laptop and have also bought some from iTunes for my iPad. I have also found the iPad a very convenient way to check my email or view some of my favorite websites on it including Film Tech where I Have been posting with it ever since I got it.

-Claude
 
Posted by Leo Enticknap (Member # 534) on 05-11-2012, 07:48 AM:
 
quote: Daily Mail


Apple 'planning to sell £150 iPad Mini AT A LOSS in order to kill off Android tablets'
Apple is planning to launch an assault against the burgeoning Android tablet market by releasing an 'iPad Mini' - at a loss-making price of around £150, according to new claims.
The bargain-basement priced tablet will even feature the same 'Retina' display featured on its big brother, bringing the same 3.1million pixels to a smaller 7-8" display.

Sources told Apple fansite iMore that the aggressively-priced tablet will launch in October this year, with Apple potentially selling the sub-$250 tablet at a loss in order to leave no room for competition.

With Apple sitting on cash reserves of $100bn, the tech giant should at least be able to stomach such a move financially.

iMore reported: 'Today's claim says that Apple is going to step-up the pressure on Android tablet manufacturers with an iPad mini that will sell for a surprisingly low $200-250.

'That's a bit hard to accept in the light of the other major claim this rumor makes, that the iPad mini will keep the full-sized iPad's 2048x1536 resolution.

'If this is true, Apple might have to take a serious cut to its margins, if not sell the mini at a loss. Considering the kind of cash Apple has on hand, though, it might be willing to take the hit just to help kill-off competition from Android tablets.'

If the iPad sells for $250 in the States, that would translate to £150 in the UK, although whether Apple would respect currency rates is up for debate.

With the screen as a premium feature, it is likely sacrifices will be made in other parts of the tablet, such as reduced storage space of, for instance, 8GB for your apps, videos and music.

This will likely cause issues for users as that amount of space will be used up quickly, marking this out as very much a budget tablet.

However, it will also appeal to people who want an iPad for casual browsing and occasional use of apps and movies, but who are not willing to shell out £400 for the bigger brother.

iMore and another website, Daring Fireball, have separately heard that Apple has already built the seven-inch device, and the only decision left is whether to 'go to market'.

Both iMore and Daring Fireball have proven to be reliable sources of internal Apple discussions in the past.

Steve Jobs hated the thought of a smaller iPad, calling them 'dead on arrival'. He said people did not wish to use smaller tablets for video-playback, and feared a smaller tablet would serve as a bridge between the iPad and the iPhone, resulting in app-makers simply 'stretching' their phone apps for the tablet.

In a 2010 earnings call, he said: 'One naturally thinks that a seven-inch screen would offer 70 percent of the benefits of a ten-inch screen.

'Unfortunately, this is far from the truth. … The reason we won't make a seven-inch tablet isn’t because we don’t want to hit a lower price point, it’s because we think the screen is too small to express the software.'

Another big problem - which Android is struggling to deal with - would be the resulting fragmentation, with app-makers having to invest more money for coding different versions of their apps for different devices, something Apple has almost entirely succeeded at avoiding so far.

With the Android tablet market maturing, and competitors like Amazon launching their own tablets such as the Kindle Fire at less than $200, it would make sense for Apple to join the burgeoning cheaper market, although the company may be concerned about devaluing their premium brand, which is associated with high prices but also high quality.

However the company has previous form with cheaper models. The iPod music player was released in 2001, and in 2004 and 2005 the iPod Minis and Nanos were released, bringing elements of Apple's flagship device to a cheaper market.

In March, a source from within competitor Samsung made a 'mini' indescretion while talking to the Korea Times.

While discussing Apple and Samsung's $9.7billion deal for Samsung to manufacturer parts of the iPad, an official said: 'The contract is expected to rise to $11billion by the end of this year as Apple is planning to release a smaller iPad, probably with a 7.85-inch screen, and to sell more of its MacBook Air PCs using Samsung’s faster solid state drive storage.'
Hmm. As an Android tablet owner myself, I would have been tempted by this, but it'll probably come with virtually no memory and no facility to insert a card to expand its capacity.

And incidentally, if $250 is going to be the US price, no way will it be as low as £150 in Britain. Our 20% sales tax (VAT) will see to that alone, even before you factor in higher business operating costs (everything from corporation tax to higher energy bills for stores etc.). I'd say £200 minimum. Against that, reasonable Android tablets are available at around the £100-120 mark (my 10" Archos cost around that), with a 32gb memory card for another £20. Given that the type of people who buy Android tablets tend to be more IT-savvy anyway and therefore processor speed and storage cacapity will be an issue for them, if the predicted sale price of the "Ipad lite" is accurate, I suspect that it's a bit too high to knock Android out of the market.
 
Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 05-11-2012, 10:47 AM:
 
If you want an iPad Mini just by an iPod.
 
Posted by Bobby Henderson (Member # 840) on 05-11-2012, 11:03 AM:
 
I see no logic with the notion a low price point on an "iPad Mini" would be enough to kill Android based tablets.

Example: a mobile phone customer can buy a brand new iPhone 4S for the same $200 price one will pay for the latest Android phones. Earlier iPhone models are being sold for under $100. With such Apple-branded bargains available why is anyone still buying an Android phone?

Obviously there are numerous reasons why some people avoid Apple's "i" product food chain.

I prefer my Android phone over an iPhone because it works in a very straight forward manner, particularly in regard to moving data between the phone and other devices. I don't need iTunes freaking permission to cut/copy/paste a media file from one location to another. While my phone doesn't have Siri, it does have a lot of other capabilities (some of them pretty basic) that iPhones and iPads don't but should have.

The way I see it, Apple isn't different from any other huge multi-national corporation bent on a monopolist strategy. The whole "i" food chain is a very closed setup. When Apple wants your opinion they'll give it to you. Google is trying to be all cloud-like similar to Apple and so many others. But at least users have the option move and manage files in same old ways in addition to doing that cloud-sync crap.
 
Posted by Mike Heenan (Member # 392) on 05-12-2012, 08:35 PM:
 
The one thing I don't like about the iPad is storage space for extra movies. However with a forthcoming jailbreak, this issue will be moot (Of course we can argue that Apple should have made it possible for us to use an SD card for extra storage, but whatever...)

I have the 16GB wifi only model and have not run into space issues yet. The box.net app I signed up for during a promotion gives me 50GB storage (not as great as Dropbox, but for storage only it's killer), and of course Dropbox has 2GB, but that can grow. Also, Microsoft Skydrive gave you 25GB at one time (got that too), so between all these cloud storage apps, I have about 80GB total.
 
Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 05-12-2012, 09:08 PM:
 
There's a big difference in local storage and cloud storage.
 
Posted by Mike Blakesley (Member # 26) on 05-12-2012, 10:31 PM:
 
I do kinda wonder about cloud storage too. What if you have all your crap on Google and the terrorists figure a way to hit Google's servers. Maybe there are weird sunspots or something that wipes out a bunch of stuff. I don't know, it just seems like if you have cloud storage you ought to have backups in a couple or three different places, just in case, for really important stuff.
 
Posted by Leo Enticknap (Member # 534) on 05-13-2012, 07:50 AM:
 
Agreed completely and utterly. And even if the problem isn't as dramatic as terrorists hitting Google's servers, we know that gremlins hit Blackberry's servers last year, and so this kind of thing can and does happen.

I have a completely luddite approach to data backup. Every Sunday night, all the files I want to protect and can't easily be replaced get transferred to one of two portable 1TB hard drives I own. On Monday morning, it goes with me to the office and sits in my desk drawer for the following week, and drive #2 comes home on Friday evening. The following Sunday, drive #2 gets reformatted and overwritten with the new backup, rinse and repeat. I've also put a 1TB drive in my laptop, and so another copy of the data gets written to that from my main home PC just before each time I go travelling. All these copies are Truecrypt-encrypted.

This means that there is always a copy of the data I don't want to lose in a separate physical location from my home PC, and it is encrypted such that only I can read it. Yes, this is a bit of a faff and not as convenient as using clouds, but frankly I trust myself to look after my data more than I'd trust Google, Apple, MS etc.
 
Posted by Bobby Henderson (Member # 840) on 05-13-2012, 10:23 AM:
 
Lately my Internet service hasn't been running well. I'm wondering if it has to do with AEP crews working on a project to bury all the power lines in my neighborhood. Anyway, if I was relying on cloud services like Dropbox, Google Play, etc. to get to my data I would be having problems trying to download anything big.

It may be a "luddite" approach, but using removable hard discs and flash memory sticks (or my phone) to move files the "sneaker network" way is pretty easy.
 
Posted by Mike Heenan (Member # 392) on 05-13-2012, 06:25 PM:
 
Oh I agree about cloud vs local. I only use cloud for stuff like books and large pdf's for reading. For my upcoming trip, I will be importing my pictures onto the ipad first, and then uploading to the cloud via Box or Sky Drive app's. Then when I get home I'll download them onto my computer and do a backup of that. Kind of annoying to have to go through all these steps, but I don't want to risk a MBP getting stolen, plus the iPad is super light and perfect for a backpack.
 
Posted by Robert E. Allen (Member # 1351) on 05-13-2012, 10:47 PM:
 
Good grief! Now I know I'm 80 years old. I didn't understand a thing Mike said.
 
Posted by Chris Slycord (Member # 4239) on 05-14-2012, 02:53 AM:
 
^^^
Local = Local storage on your computer
Cloud = storage on some internet server computer
 
Posted by Sam Graham (Member # 2889) on 05-14-2012, 10:55 AM:
 
The only thing I'm using Cloud for is to sync newly taken photos and notes between devices ("notes" being stuff like my grocery list). Otherwise, I connect and sync backups to my local drives.

I agree with Bobby...Apple couldn't kill Android on a price war. The idea that a company who has always successfully charged a premium for everything they make would even try seems absurd. And they're already the dominant player in the tablet market anyway. I think a smaller tablet would compliment the iPad in the market place nicely, but I can't imagine the thinking at Apple would be they could kill off Android with it.

I also don't buy the article's argument of a new smaller tablet creating a 'fragmentation' problem. The article speculates that the smaller tablet would have the same resolution and power as the current iPad. That means any app already written for iPad should work identically...just on a smaller screen.
 
Posted by Paul Gordon (Member # 3320) on 05-14-2012, 11:24 AM:
 
Playbook is $200.00 and can you believe it you can multitask!
 
Posted by Claude S. Ayakawa (Member # 1401) on 07-06-2012, 03:34 PM:
 
USA TODAY had reported this morning, Apple's plan to release a mini version of their very popular iPad in October to compete with Amazon's Kindle Fire and Google's new Nexus 7 tablets. Apple with 62.5 of the world wide tablet market feel it is important to compete in the mini tablet business with a model featuring a 7.85 inch screen. The current iPads has a screen measuring 9.7 inch. The Kindle Fire is #2 in the tablet market and the unit retails for $199.00. Apple's version is expected to to be $299.00, a hundred dollars more that the Kindle Fire. Unlike the new iPad that was recently introduced, the iPad mini is not expected to feature the same high definition screen the larger tablet has but I am sure it will be included in future versions of the smaller iPad.

-Claude
 
Posted by Ron Funderburg (Member # 4561) on 07-06-2012, 04:46 PM:
 
Mike I bet you are right. I have resisted the urge to have bigger and better with cell phones and such. I don't have a pad of any kind but do have two laptops and two computers. I use them all the time. I use to be a technology whore and have to have every gadget.

I remember in the mid to late 90's while working for the State Dept. Of Vo-tech as a training coordinator I had a little electronic Rolodex. One day my supervisor asked for a phone number. I began to try to open my electronic gizmo. Lo and behold the batteries were dead. I looked confused while my supervisor reached in to my inside coat pocket pulling out my address book handing it to me he said, "Out of here will work."
 




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