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Posted by Buck Wilson (Member # 5885) on 01-01-2014, 02:44 AM:
Surely everyone has an ideal theater in mind they'd design if money was no object...... Perhaps maybe not everyone spends as much time thinking about it as I do but anyways.......
I would have two here in town.
--Trail Theater--
There is a single screen art-deco style theater downtown that I have just been drooling over for over 5 years now. I'd love love love to get my hands on that.
http://cinematreasures.org/theaters/1821
I'd leave everything on the outside as-is(restoring it all of course, there is extensive neon on this facade) except the seafoam green vitrolite. I would change that out to a large dark midnight blue glass tile. The inside however would be completely gutted and re-done. I am talking PREMIUM movie-going experience here. Perhaps small bar/expanded concession menu. Would likely be stadium seating mainly due to space constraints, with very comfortable black leather rockers. The lobby and auditorium would be very vibrant and colorful, yet tasteful and of great quality. Stunning acoustical panels would decorate the auditorium, that is redesigned to meet/exceed Thx standards. Extremely insulated, when no sound is playing you would hear NOTHING. No HVAC, no water running through pipes, no booth noises, nothing. The screen would of course have common height masking, as well as a full curtain. Between shows, the curtain would be closed and there would be a gentle, glowing light show on the curtain, with laid back music playing in the background. The projection- a higher end Barco 4k projector, perhaps dual, HFR ready, and the best 3d. Of course, the booth would also be set up for 35/70mm 'just in case'. I would typically play indie/limited release content, just the stuff this town doesn't typically get but could do well if done right. The staff would likely be dressed in black/white, perhaps with vests/bowties, and friendly as can be. Real-world friendly, not Chick-fil-a cheesy friendly. Throw a couple of spotlights in the upper front corners of the roof, and make customers feel really special on the weekends. Presentation will be flawless, crystal clear, and bright. The sound will blow you away in its depth and clarity. Welcome to the Trail.
--Star Crest 4--
If you've read this far, kudos. My second theater would be similar, so I can leave out a lot of details. I would open up a brand new 4-plex attached to the local mall, running 2nd run content in the highest of quality. I want to see the first run theater in town squirm as they watch customers drop like flies waiting for this theater to get movies. Again, HIGH quality auditoriums, thx quality, with a classier, subdued theme perhaps with an emphasis on star shapes... lots of fabric and velvet screen curtains, make it feel very warm and inviting. Auditoriums will be 200-300 seaters, with not statium seats, but a steeper raked standard layout.
Of course, both theaters would only sell the best products, Coke, etc and have large, bright spotless restrooms.
Enough of my personal theater dream porn, lets hear yours.
Posted by Chris Slycord (Member # 4239) on 01-04-2014, 04:26 PM:
http://youtu.be/suGaRNv3kS8?t=1m30s
Posted by Scott Norwood (Member # 30) on 01-04-2014, 05:40 PM:
Mine would be something from the 1930s, art-deco style, 500-700 seats with a balcony, showing daily double features of classic films (with printed calendar schedules) with the odd late-run current title mixed in. Uniformed ushers, top-of-the-line 16/35/70mm film and video projection, curtains, comfy seats, full stage for occasional live events, reasonable ticket prices, etc.
Maybe this could have a second screen in an adjacent building for current releases.
There are lots of places that come very close to this (and I have been privileged to work in several), but nothing that fully fits the bill with the right mix of programming and environment.
Posted by Aaron Garman (Member # 1653) on 01-04-2014, 07:29 PM:
6 purpose built cinemas:
1-A 1920s movie palace with 1000 seats, designed for silents and classics at 1.33 or 1.37. Orchestra pit, organ, the whole she-bang. 35mm and DLP. Nitrate approved. Premiere film: Casablanca (film)
2-An art deco house, 1000 seats, designed specifically for the widescreen era. Capable of 1.66, 1.85, and all cinemascope variants. 35mm and DLP. 3D both on film and digital. Premiere film: The Robe (film)
3-A 70s vintage Cinerama/D150 styled house exclusively for large format film presentations (non-IMAX). 1000 seats. 35, 70, Cinerama and DLP capable. Premiere film: This is Cinerama (film)
4-A multi-purpose 80s era GCC style house with a 50 foot scope screen. 1000 seats, sloped house. 16, 35, 70, and DLP capable. 3D capability on film and digital. Premiere film: Titanic (70mm print).
5-An IMAX house with 90 foot IMAX screen. 1000 seats. 70mm IMAX and future digital equivalent (not yet invented). Premiere film: Hubble 3D/The Dark Knight (film of course).
6-A 100 seats private screening room for birthdays, christenings, and bachelor parties. Just like the multipurpose house, just a lot smaller. 16, 35, 70, and DLP. Premiere film: patron-dependent.
All cinemas share:
Curtains (even the IMAX house)
Moveable masking (yes, even the IMAX house).
Dolby Processors
QSC speakers and amps
Barco DLP
Kinoton film projectors
Cup holders
Uniformed Ushers and Usherettes
Popcorn, candy, hot dogs, nachos, soda, and water only. No booze. No fried foods. Nothing priced over $3. One size for all drinks and popcorn.
Cafe adjacent to the main lobby for small sandwiches, tea, and coffee. Open for matinees only.
NO SCREEN ADS. Curtains only open for the feature. Soft music plays prior to the show. Animated shorts shown for all matinees prior to the screening. Roadshow presentations for all applicable films.
I could continue...but this is probably enough.
And just so Brad's happy: no billion flavor Coke machines.
AJG
Posted by Robert E. Allen (Member # 1351) on 01-04-2014, 08:13 PM:
You've got great taste Scott. "Those Were The Days".
Posted by Mark Ogden (Member # 43) on 01-04-2014, 08:27 PM:
quote: Scott Norwood
Mine would be something from the 1930s, art-deco style, 500-700 seats with a balcony, showing daily double features of classic films (with printed calendar schedules)
Sounds like the Harvard Square Cinema a long time ago. I used to LIVE in that place, late 70s to early 80s, when I was dating a gal from Somerville. She used to have the printed calendar tacked up in her kitchen, their classic double feature was Harold and Maude and King Of Hearts. The red line of the T would drop you off right in front. I would see movies all day while she worked, either there or at the Janus, or the Orson Wells. Lord, what memories.
Posted by Buck Wilson (Member # 5885) on 01-05-2014, 12:43 AM:
Ahh, yes, Aaron, not sure how I forgot. No ads ANYWHERE. Maybe 2-3 hand picked trailers but that's IT. Would probably show trailers in flat then close the curtain, small lightshow/sound interlude, then opening up to full scope with a cool 'feature presentation' tag, then movie!
Posted by Sam Graham (Member # 2889) on 01-05-2014, 10:13 AM:
The building itself would be a 70's National Amusements shoebox. White with the red "CINEMA I-II-III" lettering, even though it would probably be a five-to-nine-screen operation in a small market.
There would be no online ticketing, no advanced ticket sales, and we would accept cash only. The ticket booth would be staffed by identical twins dressed as Wednesday Addams. They would never smile.
The lobby would have wood paneling with 70's supermarket green and white floor tile and globe ball lighting. There would be vinyl sofas to sit on. There would be traditional phone booths without phones, but people could step into to have private conversations on their cell phones in.
The concession stand would have an all-girl staff wearing uniforms similar to those worn at Hot Dog on a Stick. We would sell corn dogs instead of hot dogs which we would batter and fry on site, though probably not to order due to the need to quickly flow traffic. We would also sell chili and maybe krinkle-cut chili-cheese fries. We would also have an interesting variety of retro candy. Our soda would be the cane sugar variety from Dublin Bottling Works, plus Cheerwine and Green River too if I could get the syrup in real sugar formulas. Freshly made sweet tea and lemonade would also be available.
The auditorium corridor would be a horrible boring white on adobe texture with wrought iron amber carriage lamps and the only fluorescent overheads in the entire building. The bathrooms would have entrances that were modified kybos (a trick I'm stealing from Jungle Jim's of Cincinnati). When you walk in to the kybos, you would enter the most opulent bathrooms in the history of the world. The urinals in the men's room might surround a volcano, complete with fire and faux flowing lava. The women's rest room would be themed like a Barbie dream palace, with harp music playing and maybe a waterfall effect.
The auditoriums would not use fixed numbers. They would change with each feature, they would not be sequential, and not be limited to the number of auditoriums. What was Auditorium 4 one week might be Auditorium 72 the next. The current number would be clearly posted on an LCD screen in front of each auditorium door (as well as the movie playing in said auditorium).
The auditoriums themselves would be laid out like the Warren's stadium rooms (no director's suites, no fancy recliners, no balconies), but have dark blue curtains and the Act III wall sconces. The ceilings would be shaped and decorated to provide for a night sky theme, complete with lit stars. More subtle than theatres that did something like punched in Christmas lights...way better quality than that. Something that would make patrons look up and think "Oh my God". Something more detailed than anyone's ever seen, while still being able to accommodate required lighting, ventilation, and sprinklers. Each auditorium would be uniform in equipment with 4k projection and Dolby ATMOS sound. Yes, I would have THX certification, just so I can play that fucking "Amazing Life" trailer, because I still fucking geek out every time they play it at the Warren.
There would be no 3-D.
There would be a proper projection booth, if nothing else so I have a space to hang out alone in and be creepy.
Posted by Edward Havens (Member # 4715) on 01-05-2014, 02:42 PM:
Scott came close to describing mine, expect I don't think I'd go quite 500-700 screens. Maybe ~400. Partly because I'd worry about how it'd look if there were only 40 people in a 700 seat house, partly because I'd worry about the bill to keep the room cool in the summer and warm in the winter. I used to manage a Fox Theatre years ago, one with a balcony converted to tiny theatres. The main floor house sat ~700 and it was a bitch to keep it at a good temperature during the winter.
But otherwise, yeah. Something from the 1930s, art-deco style, with a balcony, thrice-weekly changing schedule of double features of classic films with printed calendar schedules. Uniformed ushers, top-of-the-line 16/35/70mm film and video projection, curtains, proper masking and comfy seats. Definitely a sloped seating area.
I would love to have an Automaticket machine in a free-standing box office under the marquee, but I would also absolutely do online ticketing, and maybe even offer the print-at-home option. Make it easier for the guest to commit to the shows.
A well-stocked snack bar featuring all your old movie theatre candy favorites, and reasonably sized popcorn boxes/tubs and waxy soda cups, all at affordable prices.
While I would never do modern pre-show advertising, I would want to run a series of classic snipes like Let's All Go to the Lobby before and between shows.
And there would be notices everywhere I could get them up concerning my theatre that all electronic devices are not to be brought in to the theatre. No phones, no tablets, no phablets, no pagers. One strike and you're out. No exceptions.
Posted by Leo Enticknap (Member # 534) on 01-05-2014, 04:30 PM:
I would build a Faraday cage around my dream theatre, to ensure that there is no cellphone or wifi coverage in the auditorium, and deal with the cellphone nuisance that way. No need for the trouble and expense of ongoing enforcement. I would also advertise prominently in my venue's printed program and on placards in the lobby that if you have a problem with not being able to receive a text or go on Facebook for a couple of hours, kindly bugger off somewhere else (my dream theatre, of course, being a venue that receives regular philanthropic donations such that its management doesn't have to worry about attracting enough customers to pay the bills)!
My ideal venue would have two auditoria. The first would be crescent-shaped and used for exclusively for 1:1.85 and wider movies, similar to Pictureville at Bradford. The second would be taller and squarer, and used for silent, Academy and 1:1.66 (the now sadly closed Heights Theater in Minneapolis would be sort of what I have in mind). It would also have a fully restored Wurlitzer pipe organ (console on a hydraulic lift under the stage, of course), a piano and a small orchestra pit for doing silent movies right. The widescreen theatre would have DP70s for 35/70 and whatever is the latest Kinoton FP-18 successor for 16, plus 4K digital. The "tallscreen" theatre would be similarly equipped, but with Cinemeccanica Vic 5s equipped with three-blade shutters (IMHO these offer the least flicker of any 35mm machine I've seen in action running at the lower end of the silent speed range, i.e. 16-18fps, and cause the least dye shedding on tinted and/or toned prints) and powerful enough lamps to achieve 16ft-l with the three-blade shutters.
Oh, and just to really push the boat out, I'd include a Flashscan HD in the rep screen, connected to the d-cinema projector, so that if experimental filmmakers etc. wanted to show Super 8 on the big screen, this would be possible.
Posted by Gordon McLeod (Member # 33) on 01-05-2014, 04:36 PM:
this one would fit the bill nicely
http://cinematreasures.org/theaters/24261
the allen theatres were all built for only movies having no stage house most of the larger ones had a organ usually a hill-green lane
the one that was in this theatre was 2 manuals 28 ranks
there was a full orchestra pit as well
It had DP70 (AA2) with gertner ventarc lamphouses originally later hycandescents and in the end super cinex
Posted by Victor Liorentas (Member # 5272) on 01-05-2014, 04:47 PM:
The architect was C Howard Crane who also did The Fox in Detroit and London Ontario's Capitol among many others.
He made the prosceniums very wide as if predicting scope films!
Posted by Adam Fraser (Member # 1074) on 01-05-2014, 05:00 PM:
C. Howard Crane also designed our theatre, along with many others in Michigan.
http://cinematreasures.org/theaters/1863
As far as my dream cinema, we already have it. I would love to add another screen (not split up the current theatre), do some sound upgrades, and add much larger bathrooms.
Other than that, if money were not an object, playing more important films than what happens to be currently in the top 10.
Posted by Gordon McLeod (Member # 33) on 01-05-2014, 06:31 PM:
According to an article he wanted the organ chambers on stage adjacent to the screen so the sound would more appear to come from the image and the stage
Posted by Louis Bornwasser (Member # 3063) on 01-05-2014, 08:31 PM:
How about 4 organ chambers? QUAD.
Posted by Scott Norwood (Member # 30) on 01-05-2014, 09:19 PM:
I would pay extra for a ticket at a movie theatre like this one (they have a very aggressive anti-cell-phone policy).
Posted by Bobby Henderson (Member # 840) on 01-06-2014, 09:09 AM:
That video made me laugh almost as much as the Alamo Drafthouse angry caller trailer.
Posted by Scott Jentsch (Member # 1681) on 01-07-2014, 12:38 PM:
If I were to create my dream movie theater, the first thing I would do is tour every single location that everyone here is involved in. You're here because you give a damn, and those personal conversations and site visits would provide invaluable information.
From a styling standpoint, I would do something that combines art deco and craftsman/prairie style. It would not be casual but it would also not be faux-stuffy.
I think people respond to the atmosphere, and will act differently when going to a nicely appointed theater with well-dressed, mannered staff than they do when attending a discount house that has ripped carpeting and staff the looks like mental zombies.
I would mix large auditoriums with smaller ones to handle the variety of movies and audiences effectively. But every room would perform the same. Sight lines, viewing angles, and sound quality should be equivalent in every auditorium. THX standards would be the starting point and then hopefully improved from there.
I would want enough auditoriums to show the current new releases, but then also have a room or two that would have lesser-known material and/or classics, etc.
I would pay to clone Robert Osborne and have him introduce every movie. That man represents movies in my mind. (Is it possible to have a theater where Turner Classic Movies is playing 24/7?) If I can't have him in person, then I'd like to have him do his intro on-screen in lieu of advertising, which there wouldn't be any. Maybe one or two relevant trailers after the lights dimmed and the curtain opened.
Did I not mention the curtain? Every screen would be covered by a curtain.
The ceiling would be painted by this place: Night Sky Murals
The front of the building would prepare people for what was inside. I believe the moviegoing experience starts at the curb, so I would want to impress people from the start. The marquee would be tastefully done, but feature electronic signage that would be filled with custom images created by Bobby or some other skilled person that would put in the kind of effort that the carpenters of old did with their custom work on the marquees.
Staff would be attentive and professional. Random auditorium visits would ensure sound quality, picture quality, and audience behavior standards. I would expect finding and retaining quality staff would be the biggest challenge to my theater.
Operations-wise, I think I would go all-digital, with the centralized service that Brad supplies. From what I have read, that seems to be the best way to go for a worry-free and efficient operation from the technical side of things. A NOC that can detect, diagnose, and possibly solve remotely, and then dispatch technicians when necessary seems like a given in a modern operation to me.
Concession-wise, I would offer the traditional options, with edible popcorn that was the best possible. I would charge the usual high price as the other chains, but it would have to be remarkable when compared to the others. I would find out if Garrett's would do licensing, as that stuff is incredible!
I would not offer in-theater dining, as I think it's too difficult to do that well and not create all kinds of issues. I went to a movie recently where the people in front of us had 15x15 pizza boxes that they kept flipping open, which was distracting and it looked very clumsy for them to handle. I've enjoyed getting a burger and fries at a local theater, but it's difficult to eat that in a darkened auditorium, so I'd rather offer a food court of sorts in the lobby that offered dining options instead. Lou Malnati's Pizza, Kopp's Frozen Custard, the aforementioned Garrett's Popcorn, and the like. Those food court options could be accessible to the public as well, which would help drive traffic to them and the theater, and the ticket gate would have to be set up so that handling that traffic wouldn't be a problem.
So, who wants to front me the money?
Posted by Mike Blakesley (Member # 26) on 01-07-2014, 03:40 PM:
quote: Scott Jentsch
The marquee would be tastefully done, but feature electronic signage that would be filled with custom images created by Bobby or some other skilled person
This is an illustration of where I have the occasional quandary. I want to outfit our place with the best stuff I can afford, BUT I want to keep the nostalgic/classic feel. I'd love to have an electronic marquee but I'd probably still keep the static letters - no fancy moving or colored images. It would distract from the rest of the building which is still all-original looking on the outside.
Posted by Bobby Henderson (Member # 840) on 01-07-2014, 04:05 PM:
I think it's feasible to make an art deco or other retro-themed theater sign and still include LED-based message centers. The El Capitan Theater sign in Hollywood is a good, yet very expensive example.
I like the throw-back look of slotted, dimensional Wagner letters. The big downside with using those things is having to get out in the weather to change the message.
Posted by Scott Jentsch (Member # 1681) on 01-08-2014, 10:13 AM:
quote: Mike Blakesley
This is an illustration of where I have the occasional quandary. I want to outfit our place with the best stuff I can afford, BUT I want to keep the nostalgic/classic feel. I'd love to have an electronic marquee but I'd probably still keep the static letters - no fancy moving or colored images. It would distract from the rest of the building which is still all-original looking on the outside.
That is a difficult balance to strike, but in the right situation, I think it could be done. The biggest thing, in my opinion, is restraint in what is shown on the display. I wouldn't want it to look like a billboard that flashes a new message every six seconds, or look like something that would be on the strip or Fremont Street in Las Vegas with bright flashing images and maybe even video clips.
The El Capitan is what came to mind when I mentioned the marquee, even though I've only seen it in photos. I like the combination of neon, light bulbs, and the electronic signage. Does it feature a static image or is it more flashy/frenetic?
I wonder if it would be possible with the current technology to replicate the look of the Wagner letters and signage to create the look, if not the texture of that era of signage? For the right movie/situation, I could see that being pretty cool to do, even if it wasn't the best way to show off everything the expensive technology can do. Again, restraint would pay dividends.
Posted by Mike Blakesley (Member # 26) on 01-08-2014, 11:52 AM:
As it is now, our marquee has three rows of readerboard with divisions in between each line. The readerboards are backlit with neon running the length of each row -- white at the top and red at the bottom, so it gives it a graduated color. In my ideal world I'd put a giant LED readerboard behind the existing divisions and it would just replicate the look we have now, and at night the casual observer wouldn't even be able to tell the difference. I guess the biggest problem would be, in the day time it would still look "lit up." I'm sure there's a way to do what I have in mind, or if there isn't yet, there will be someday.
Posted by Bobby Henderson (Member # 840) on 01-08-2014, 01:01 PM:
Electronic message centers will allow various kinds of dimming levels to be set. Normally the units are playing at much brighter levels during daytime to avoid being washed out by sunlight. Obviously the LED units should be set to run at lower levels during night time. Some of the newest displays from Daktronics can be almost blinding at night time if not properly adjusted.
The El Capitan Theatre sign has animated neon and chase lights. There's a couple videos on YouTube that show it in action. I don't know who made the LED displays, but they look pretty high in resolution. Most outdoor LED units have a 20mm pitch between pixel centers. Some vary between 16mm to 23mm. The units on the El Capitan sign look like they're 10mm or 8mm. That's squeezing a lot more pixels into the same space and allowing a much higher resolution image to be shown. It's also a lot more expensive. But the cost is probably worth it given the high profile location on Hollywood Blvd.
With a high enough resolution LED sign you could mimic the look of dimensional, slotted letters in Photoshop and have it look realistic on the sign. The more pixels you buy the better it will look.
Posted by Mike Blakesley (Member # 26) on 01-08-2014, 01:08 PM:
I suppose cost would be my big hangup...I would like fairly high resolution so as to be able to have it look good close up. But it would sure be nice to be able to change the marquee from the comfort of the office!
Posted by Leo Enticknap (Member # 534) on 01-09-2014, 12:01 PM:
I'd especially have liked that feature the day I had to change a readograph letter the morning after a disgruntled colleague, as his last act after being fired, came back in the middle of the night and altered it to advertise the screening of "Dead Man Wanking". The gathered crowd of schoolkids (some of them with cameras) slow handclapping me as I went up the ladder and did the deed didn't help.
Posted by Geoff Jones (Member # 3668) on 01-20-2014, 11:48 PM:
- Four auditoriums, all identical, so that you don't have to worry about whether your film is on the good screen.
- Curved 80' wide screens with full curtains and side masking.
- Projection equipment for 70MM, 35mm, 4k digital with money in escrow to upgrade to 8k or better.
- Thunderous sound system with all available formats including 64 channel Atmos surround sound.
- Enough soundproofing that you never hear the film next door.
- 800 seat sloped seating with rows wide enough to walk down without disturbing those around you.
- Aisles down the sides - no center aisle.
- Before showtime, relevant film scores play over the sound system and colored spotlights animate gently on the curtains.
- Two or three trailers per feature and an appropriate sound system trailer.
- Filmmaker appearances once or twice a month for Q&A following the feature.
- 1-strike policy for talking, texting, cell phones, etc
- Showing a mixture of classic and current films.
- Basement - an environment-controlled 500 film storage vault with room for expansion and pristine prints of every great blockbuster and classic. (Plus one-sheets)
- Sub Basement features a laboratory capable of striking new 70MM and 35mm prints.
Posted by Sam D. Chavez (Member # 1841) on 01-21-2014, 12:13 AM:
Now that's what I call really dreaming big!
Posted by Buck Wilson (Member # 5885) on 01-21-2014, 01:28 AM:
Talk about some fantastic ideas!!!
The computerized/manual messaging is a mental dilemma I've been having myself. I also believe restraint is key to pulling it off, I think it could be done.
Somewhat related: Those of you who DO have theaters- How did you come into owning them?
Posted by Brian D. Whitish (Member # 825) on 01-21-2014, 11:10 AM:
Mine exists already. Seattles Cinerama!
Posted by Ron Lacheur (Member # 1126) on 01-21-2014, 06:54 PM:
The Seattle Cinerama is close second for me, the Cinerama Dome is #1.
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