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Posted by Frank Cox (Member # 6258) on 05-26-2017, 09:05 AM:
 
Wonder Woman women-only screenings in Texas spark row

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A cinema chain in Austin, Texas, has caused uproar after scheduling women-only screenings of Wonder Woman.

The big-budget superhero film, which stars Gal Gadot, is set for US release on 2 June.

And on 6 June, the Alamo Drafthouse has reserved two showings for those who identify as female.

"The most iconic superheroine in comic book history finally has her own movie, and what better way to celebrate?" organisers said.

A post on the Alamo's website read: "Apologies, gentlemen, but we're embracing our girl power and saying 'No Guys Allowed' for one special night at the Alamo Ritz.

"And when we say 'People Who Identify As Women Only', we mean it. Everyone working at this screening - venue staff, projectionist, and culinary team - will be female.

"So lasso your geeky girlfriends together and grab your tickets to this celebration of one of the most enduring and inspiring characters ever created."

Now unimpressed men are lambasting the idea on Facebook, claiming they are being discriminated against.

"Great, let us know when you have guys-only screenings of Thor, Spider-Man, Star Wars, etc. Let's see you walk the walk now that you set this precedence [sic]," one man wrote.

"Very sorry if you feel excluded," came the reply on the cinema's official account.

"We thought it might be kinda fun ... to celebrate a character who's meant a great deal to women for close to eight decades. Again, truly, truly, truly, truly sorry that we've offended you."

"Have you ever hosted a men's only showing of any film?" Facebook user Bill Fairbrother enquired.

The cinema chain cheerfully responded: "We've never done showings where you had to be a man to get in, but we *did* show the Entourage movie a few years ago."

When another critic asked if there would be a men-only screening, the cinema posted a link on how to set up a private event, advising, "Go for it!"

But if some men objected, others embraced the move as within the spirit of the film, which is the first superhero outing with a female director - Patty Jenkins - and title character.

"I am a man and fully support this," said one fan.

"This is a great idea and I will see it another time! Wow, that was easier than deciding to feel persecuted!" wrote Geoff Stark.

As the women-only screenings have proved hugely popular, the Alamo now plans to extend the format across the US.

According to Mashable, the Dallas, Austin, and DC branches will donate proceeds from their ticket sales to local women's charities.


 
Posted by Mike Blakesley (Member # 26) on 05-26-2017, 09:22 AM:
 
The men who are protesting deserve to lose their man cards. This clearly belongs in the "Who Gives A Shit" file.
 
Posted by Martin McCaffery (Member # 37) on 05-26-2017, 09:33 AM:
 
They should have a guys only screening of Bridget Jones Diary or some such.
 
Posted by Brad Miller (Member # 2) on 05-26-2017, 11:31 AM:
 
I think it's more of a poke from the guys towards the overall sensitivity to "discrimination" this country seems to suffer from. By that I don't mean legitimate discrimination, I am referring to those people who make a big deal about being discriminated against when there really isn't any discrimination happening.

I foresee an All-Arnold-All-Male set of shows in the future. [Razz]
 
Posted by Leo Enticknap (Member # 534) on 05-26-2017, 12:54 PM:
 
With a prize for whoever shows up in the best "girlie man" costume?
 
Posted by Martin McCaffery (Member # 37) on 05-26-2017, 01:28 PM:
 
quote: Brad Miller
I am referring to those people who make a big deal about being discriminated against when there really isn't any discrimination happening.
Yeah, how come there's never a Daddies' Day Out screening?!? [evil]
 
Posted by Dennis Benjamin (Member # 1137) on 05-26-2017, 02:30 PM:
 
Would it be funny if the movie went down?

Just wondering....
 
Posted by Leo Enticknap (Member # 534) on 05-26-2017, 06:48 PM:
 
Good point: if the projector breaks down, or the toilet blocks, or the popcorn popper stops working, would they admit a repair GUY to do the fix, if necessary? And if one of the ladies attending this show succumbs to a heart attack when she discovers what an abysmal movie it is, would a male paramedic be let in to the building to attend to her?
 
Posted by Bobby Henderson (Member # 840) on 05-26-2017, 09:39 PM:
 
Well, there are at least a few women who know their way around a film projector, even a projector running a 70mm print. This forum has at least one or more participants that fall into that category.

As for men protesting this women-only screening of Wonder Woman, I'm with Mike on this. Those men need to have their man cards revoked at least for a few months. Maybe those "men" need to be handed some complimentary ointment to help with the sand in their vaginas.

Hollywood movies are overwhelmingly directed at young men. There is absolutely no argument against this concrete fact. So if a big studio wants to make a comic book movie with a strong female in the lead and give ladies their super hero day for the first time since the Kill Bill movies hit the screen that's all good. And it's all good if Alamo Drafthouse wants to take a chance on a ladies-only screening.

The only real snag on this women-only screening idea: the guys aren't going to be there to pick up the tab for the movie!
[evil] [Razz]
 
Posted by Dennis Benjamin (Member # 1137) on 05-28-2017, 10:29 AM:
 
THE LINK

I got to hand it to the marketing department at Alamo, they are getting a ton of free publicity on this:

Man provokes fury online after insisting he will attend women-only Wonder Woman screening

Stephen Miller provoked outrage by buying a ticket to a women only Wonder Woman screening at a Brooklyn theater
Miller told DailyMail.com he's 'not interested in causing a scene' at the movie
Twitter users were outraged by his clear defiance of the theater's event
One person said Miller can't let women just have this 'ONE THING'
Another said he is an 'ignorant, vile misogynist' trying to be 'egalitarian'

By Abigail Miller For Dailymail.com

Published: 10:08 EDT, 28 May 2017 | Updated: 11:15 EDT, 28 May 2017


Stephen Miller provoked outrage when he tweeted a photo of his ticket to a women only screening of 'Wonder Woman'

A man in Brooklyn provoked outrage on Friday when he tweeted a photo of his ticket receipt to a women only screening of the new 'Wonder Woman' movie.

Stephen Miller, a writer for the conservative site Heat Street, posted to his Twitter Friday morning he would be attending a 'no boys allowed' screening of the new film at the Alamo Drafthouse movie theater in Brooklyn, New York.

'I have some personal news I'd like to share,' he wrote, with a screenshot of two photos that prove he will be attending the Thursday night showing.

He immediately followed it with a second tweet, clarifying to his followers 'that's my ticket receipt on the right.'

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4549842/Man-provokes-fury-ticket-women-WW-screening.html#ixzz4iO63gELp
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Posted by Frank Cox (Member # 6258) on 05-28-2017, 11:44 AM:
 
At risk of pushing this into a too-political direction, the fellow does have a point.

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He also pointed out it's perfectly legal to buy a ticket to a specific screening, but it would be illegal to kick him out specifically on the ground of his sex or gender identity.

'They cannot remove me from a public place for my sex or gender. I plan on enjoying the film. Thanks,' he wrote on Saturday.

I read this article the other day about Canadian minor hockey; here is the relevant portion of the article:

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Past human rights decisions have ruled that females have the right to play on male teams if they choose, which is why in Canadian minor hockey is organized into co-ed teams and female-only teams, but there are no boys-only teams.
Somehow that just seems... illogical.
 
Posted by Scott Norwood (Member # 30) on 05-29-2017, 07:04 PM:
 
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I got to hand it to the marketing department at Alamo, they are getting a ton of free publicity on this:
This.
 
Posted by Dave Bird (Member # 490) on 05-30-2017, 11:15 AM:
 
Yeah, the people who worry about this stuff (and things like who is cooking their burritos) should all just go live amongst themselves, their own little utopia!

I did chuckle the other day though about a guy who used a ladies room, and when challenged simply said, "I'm identifying as a woman today". Seems the municipality's new by-law was worded such that all bathrooms are now effectively co-ed.
 
Posted by Mitchell Dvoskin (Member # 751) on 05-31-2017, 01:02 PM:
 
> I got to hand it to the marketing department at Alamo, they are getting a ton of free publicity on this

But is it good publicity?
 
Posted by Martin McCaffery (Member # 37) on 06-01-2017, 10:31 PM:
 
There's No Such Thing As Bad Publicity
Source (sorta)
 
Posted by Martin Brooks (Member # 1269) on 06-02-2017, 10:20 AM:
 
This is no different that theaters who have morning screenings exclusive to parent(s) with young babies or theaters who exclude kids from R-rated movies after X PM, even with guardians.

People who are complaining about this or think it's somehow discriminatory have too much time on their hands and need to get a life. They're the same people who took great offense that the recent Ghostbusters reboot had female leads.

I hope the females attending the screening in Brooklyn beat the crap out of the obnoxious guy who bought the ticket and intends to show up.
 
Posted by Bobby Henderson (Member # 840) on 06-02-2017, 11:00 AM:
 
There's more comedy going on with this women-only Wonder Woman screening. A fellow proud to be a male chauvinist pig wrote the City of Austin Mayor, Steve Adler a letter to complain about this screening. His letter contained a lot of sexist, arrogant comments (not to mention exposing a good bit of stupidity). He told the Mayor not to bother responding, but Mayor Adler did and I think his response was great.

Article Link

quote: City of Austin Mayor Blog
LETTER: WONDER WOMAN
On May 26, 2017, the Mayor received this email:

I hope every man will boycott Austin and do what he can to diminish Austin and to cause damage to the city’s image. The theater that pandered to the sexism typical of women will, I hope, regret it’s decision. The notion of a woman hero is a fine example of women’s eagerness to accept the appearance of achievement without actual achievement. Women learn from an early age to value make-up, that it’s OK to pretend that you are greater than you actually are. Women pretend they do not know that only men serve in combat because they are content to have an easier ride. Women gladly accept gold medals at the Olympics for coming in 10th and competing only against the second class of athletes. Name something invented by a woman! Achievements by the second rate gender pale in comparison to virtually everything great in human history was accomplished by men, not women. If Austin does not host a men only counter event, I will never visit Austin and will welcome it’s deteriorati on. And I will not forget that Austin is best known for Charles Whitman. Does Austin stand for gender equality or for kissing up to women? Don’t bother to respond. I already know the answer. I do not hate women. I hate their rampant hypocrisy and the hypocrisy of the “women’s movement.” Women do not want gender equality; they want more for women. Don’t bother to respond because I am sure your cowardice will generate nothing worth reading.

Richard A. Ameduri

Today he responded:

Dear Mr. Ameduri,

I am writing to alert you that your email account has been hacked by an unfortunate and unusually hostile individual. Please remedy your account’s security right away, lest this person’s uninformed and sexist rantings give you a bad name. After all, we men have to look out for each other!

Can you imagine if someone thought that you didn’t know women could serve in our combat units now without exclusion? What if someone thought you didn’t know that women invented medical syringes, life rafts, fire escapes, central and solar heating, a war-time communications system for radio-controlling torpedoes that laid the technological foundations for everything from Wi-Fi to GPS, and beer? And I hesitate to imagine how embarrassed you’d be if someone thought you were upset that a private business was realizing a business opportunity by reserving one screening this weekend for women to see a superhero movie.

You and I are serious men of substance with little time for the delicate sensitivities displayed by the pitiful creature who maligned your good name and sterling character by writing that abysmal email. I trust the news that your email account has been hacked does not cause you undue alarm and wish you well in securing your account. And in the future, should your travels take you to Austin, please know that everyone is welcome here, even people like those who wrote that email whose views are an embarrassment to modernity, decency, and common sense.

Yours sincerely,

Steve Adler


 
Posted by Mike Blakesley (Member # 26) on 06-02-2017, 01:36 PM:
 
I don't think this is any different than a theater offering a "kiddie matinee." It's a special show aimed at a certain segment of the audience, so who cares?

Now, if a guy WANTS to show up there, I'd recommend that they just let him in, and let the audience do what it wants with him. Since the place IS open to the public, it's possible they can't legally exclude him. Who knows, it could be a guy who "identifies as a woman."

More likely, the guy in the news article is probably just secretly looking to pick up chicks. The outcome will completely depend on what kind of attitude he goes in with -- the audience will either totally embrace him and he'll have a blast, OR they'll all collectively dump soft drinks on him. Personally, whatever happens, I hope there is video.
 
Posted by Mitchell Dvoskin (Member # 751) on 06-02-2017, 02:49 PM:
 
Many years ago, there was a Car Wash near my home that had a ladies day promotion each week, where women were charged half price. I was off work that day, and took my car for a wash. I questioned whether their policy was legal, and I was rudely told that it was their business and they will do what they want.

Having nothing better to do, I decided to find out. I called the state of NJ EEOC, and was told that no, charging women less as a promotion is illegal unless there was also a timely comparable promotion for men. I filed a complaint with the state. It cost me nothing, and as I was not looking for any monetary damages, my involvement was over. About a month later, the state EEOC informed me that the car wash was discontinuing the promotion.

A few weeks later, I went thru the car was again, and indeed the promotion was changed, so that anyone, regardless of sex, who was wearing a skirt would be half price. Nice try. I called my contact from the state, and eventually the state ended up suing the car wash for sex discrimination to end the practice. The state won.
 
Posted by Bobby Henderson (Member # 840) on 06-03-2017, 12:12 AM:
 
So what's next? Going to night clubs and outlawing "ladies night" pricing for drinks? A couple of my friends run bars. Knowing those folks any man pushing that issue might get the "ladies night" thing legally banned, but that man would get himself permanently banned from the property. I've personally heard some young punks bitch about ladies night policies at bars. But those idiots clearly don't understand the purpose of that policy (getting more ladies to come to the club is GREAT for business).

These men complaining about a women's-only Wonder Woman screening need to get the giant stick out of their asses and develop some sense of humor.

Maybe its just me, but it could seem slightly strange for any grown man to show up to a Wonder Woman screening by himself. And it would be really weird for a man to attend a Wonder Woman meant only for women by himself. But such block-headed jerks probably don't have wives or girlfriends because they obviously don't understand that ladies need and deserve some ladies-only activities. Men still own and control just about all the freaking world. So it's not going to be a calamity for women to have their own thing once in awhile.

quote: Mike Blakesley
Now, if a guy WANTS to show up there, I'd recommend that they just let him in, and let the audience do what it wants with him. Since the place IS open to the public, it's possible they can't legally exclude him. Who knows, it could be a guy who "identifies as a woman."
I thought the news article said Alamo Drafthouse would admit someone who was trans to the screening (men identifying as female).
 
Posted by Lyle Romer (Member # 1266) on 06-03-2017, 10:49 AM:
 
quote: Martin Brooks
People who are complaining about this or think it's somehow discriminatory have too much time on their hands and need to get a life.
While this is 100% true, if some theatre had a "men only" screening of some "guy movie", there would be people that go nuts. There would be all kinds of protests and it would be all over national news.

We'd all be much happier people if everybody would stop wasting time objecting to stupid crap like this and protesting by attending as a male. Geez people. There are very few truly important issues and an all female audience for a showing of Wonder Woman doesn't even come in number 15 billion on the list.

The only type of movie I'd want to attend as the only guy in a room full of women (when I was single) would be a romantic movie so that after they get emotionally caught up in it, I'd be there to take over after the credits roll.
 
Posted by Buck Wilson (Member # 5885) on 06-08-2017, 06:29 AM:
 
quote: Mitchell Dvoskin
Many years ago, there was a Car Wash near my home that had a ladies day promotion each week, where women were charged half price. I was off work that day, and took my car for a wash. I questioned whether their policy was legal, and I was rudely told that it was their business and they will do what they want.

Having nothing better to do, I decided to find out. I called the state of NJ EEOC, and was told that no, charging women less as a promotion is illegal unless there was also a timely comparable promotion for men. I filed a complaint with the state. It cost me nothing, and as I was not looking for any monetary damages, my involvement was over. About a month later, the state EEOC informed me that the car wash was discontinuing the promotion.

A few weeks later, I went thru the car was again, and indeed the promotion was changed, so that anyone, regardless of sex, who was wearing a skirt would be half price. Nice try. I called my contact from the state, and eventually the state ended up suing the car wash for sex discrimination to end the practice. The state won.

I'm glad that business got sued and is likely out untold thousands of dollars due to your minor inconvenience.

Perhaps I'll file a similar complaint on the local movie theater for providing discounts to members of the military and the elderly.
 
Posted by Mitchell Dvoskin (Member # 751) on 06-08-2017, 09:03 AM:
 
> Perhaps I'll file a similar complaint on the local movie theater for providing discounts to members of the military and the elderly.

Your comparing apples and oranges. Most people have had the opportunity to join the military some point in their lives, and most of us will eventually become elderly. This is just part of the natural progression of life. Giving a discount to those people is not discrimination. Being charged more for a car wash based upon ones sex certainly is.

The car wash got sued, not because of my minor inconvenience, nor even the fact that they were rude about it. They got sued because they refused to comply with the law when the state contacted them. They had a chance to comply, they chose not to. As I was not looking for any damages, I was not involved with the state's lawsuit.

Bobby, Ladies Nights drink pricing was the specific example the state gave me. They are technically illegal, but here in NJ the EEOC allows them if there is a comparable promotion for men. Personally, I can't imagine anyone complaining about Ladies Nights as it brings more women into the club, but I could well understand a gay man being upset by such a pricing, as more women would do nothing special for him.

Around the same time period, a local movie theatre had a date night promotion on Monday nights, where if a guy bought an adult ticket, the second ticket for an adult girl was free. Somebody, not me this time, complained to the state. The manager was a friend of mine who told me that when the state contacted them, they just changed the Monday night promotion to a buy one ticket, get one free regardless of the sex of the customers. Everyone was happy, nobody got sued.
 
Posted by Paul Mayer (Member # 355) on 06-10-2017, 11:58 PM:
 
And now a lawyer is involved. From the NY Post:

quote:
Movie Theater Sued for Women-only 'Wonder Woman' Screenings

By Lia Eustachewich June 7, 2017

A New York law professor has sued a theater chain for discriminating against men with women-only screenings of “Wonder Woman.”

Stephen Clark, 48, decided to sue Alamo Drafthouse after seeing a wave of complaints on the theater’s Facebook page.

“There was a vibrant argument happening on Facebook,” Clark told The Washington Post. “But when the theater responded to complaints, they were pretty snide about it and willing to mock anyone who had a complaint and that really struck me.”

The Albany Law School professor added, “There is also the fact that what they were doing is illegal.”

Alamo theaters across the country held the exclusive screenings and sold out quickly, the chain said on its website.

“Apologies, gentlemen, but we’re embracing our girl power and saying ‘No Guys Allowed’ for one special night at the Alamo Ritz,” the theater’s Austin location wrote on its website. “And when we say ‘People Who Identify As Women Only,’ we mean it. Everyone working at this screening — venue staff, projectionist, and culinary team — will be female.”

Other women-only screenings were also held in Brooklyn.

Clark’s lawsuit accuses Alamo of not just discriminating against male customers – but also male employees by staffing only women.

“It’s the principle of the thing,” he said. “I’m a gay man and I’ve studied and taught gay rights for years. Our gay bars have long said that you do not exclude people because they’re gay or straight or transgender — you just can’t do that for any reason.”

Clark further explained, “We have to deal with the bachelorette parties that come to the gay bar,” he added. “They’re terribly disruptive, but if you forbid women from coming to a gay bar, you’re starting down a slippery slope. It’s discrimination.”

On Facebook, unimpressed men railed against the Alamo in Austin.

“Great, let us know when you have guys-only screenings of Thor, Spider-Man, Star Wars, etc. Let’s see you walk the walk now that you set this precedence,” Mike Canales wrote.

The theater responded, “Very sorry if you feel excluded. We thought it might be kinda fun — for one screening — to celebrate a character who’s meant a great deal to women for close to eight decades. Again, truly, truly, truly, truly sorry that we’ve offended you.”

“Wonder Woman,” which was directed by Patty Jenkins and stars Gal Gadot as the title character, is the first superhero flick with a woman in lead role since 2005’s “Elektra.”


 
Posted by Dave Bird (Member # 490) on 06-11-2017, 10:02 AM:
 
Of course a law professor wants to sue based on, gasp, Facebook arguing. I just don't see this as any kind of REAL discrimination, not how we all understood it. For that matter, why shouldn't those "terribly disruptive" bachelorette parties be asked to leave the gay bar if they truly are disrupting a businesses regular patrons? I've asked people to leave before who were disrupting people. I realize that may be difficult in an age where some jurisdictions have ruled that a person can "identify" with any number of terms they deem as their "gender" and in any way they define that, but still. Is one screening really discrimination?
 
Posted by Frank Cox (Member # 6258) on 06-11-2017, 12:57 PM:
 
I think you can make a good case that it's discrimination, even for just one show.

"No black people allowed, just for this one show."

"No native people allowed, just for this one show."

"No men allowed, just for this one show."

The people complaining about this have a valid point, in my opinion.
 
Posted by Brad Miller (Member # 2) on 06-11-2017, 01:21 PM:
 
The whole thing is silly in my opinion, but to play Devil's Advocate, technically people are getting away with a bit of discrimination I am very much a supporter of, and that's "no babies allowed".

Not that I care if a baby watches a movie, but I do care when they scream their lungs out disrupting my enjoyment.

Alamo should host a men's only screening so men can go enjoy Wonder Woman without all the little teenage and college age girls screaming "whoooooooooooo" all through the movie like they tend to do at concerts, public performances, etc.

(I'm doubt Alamo would have a problem hosting such a show. As it's been pointed out before, they are masters of marketing.)
 
Posted by Dave Bird (Member # 490) on 06-11-2017, 06:48 PM:
 
The first two you list Frank are precisely discrimination, and I'd never support that. It's the third I just don't see. There are PLENTY of entities and events, clubs and teams in the world that cater to one or the other. We're told that women comprise 50.1% of almost 8 billion on the planet. I just don't see this as very discriminatory if that's their only qualifier, we have women's only fitness clubs, sports teams and competitions, social clubs, etc and so on. Now I'm not "fired up" over this in the least, I just think it's a shame we live in a time where people get worked up over something like this. There is not a soul who is damaged over this.
 
Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 06-11-2017, 06:50 PM:
 
I think the whole thing isn't worth complaining about or writing letters, etc. Is it sexism? Yes, it absolutely is by definition. But it's not the evil kind. This is one of those times were you don't want to stick to the literal definition of something. Other theaters might gain some publicity if they did a male-only screening of Wonder Woman, but I think theaters would be afraid that the publicity would be bad. Not sure why it would be. Here's your chance at marketing, someone.

Do you think the guy who posted this would be allowed in to a woman-only screening?
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Posted by Mike Blakesley (Member # 26) on 06-11-2017, 08:29 PM:
 
Next time we have a zombie movie, I'm going to pick a slow night and host a "zombies only" screening. That way I'll get nationwide publicity and it'll be fun to see what kind of goofy weirdos show up. And if nobody comes I'll get a night off. So it'll be a win no matter what.
 
Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 06-12-2017, 02:49 PM:
 
No nuts, do it! Too bad the zombie craze is already dying off.
 
Posted by Martin McCaffery (Member # 37) on 06-12-2017, 03:31 PM:
 
Does Forsyth Montana have an annual Zombie Walk?
 




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