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Jason Burroughs
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 - posted 07-13-1999 08:27 PM      Profile for Jason Burroughs   Email Jason Burroughs   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
In my experience, as a general rule the Christie GP projectors are pretty much useless. However with in that, SOME tend to have decent (not great) properties on the screen. At my theatre (16 screens) we have about 3 that work fairly well, all the others run loudly, clattering Ultramittants belt noise etc, as well as the standard unsteady picture, as Brad had said earlier, alot seems to have to do with just who was on the assebmly line that day. Give me a Century any day, we have a JJ laying on its back under the platform for our largest house (such a sad sight) that's been canibalized for parts =(. Still working on talking the managers into letting us rebuild it.
Pictures comming soon.

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Joe Redifer
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I know the history of your projectors, Jim (that's why I said EXACT) and I must say that you got the deal of the century on those things.
As far as chattering, noisy "Ultra"mittents go, they should be replaced if the picture is also unsteady, or if people in the auditorium are complaining about the noise (which can happen!) The belts should be replaced once a year. Belt tension should be at the ABSOLUTE MINIMUM, just as long as the belts do not slap when the motor is on. When you change the belts, be sure to clean every single pully, gear, and gear notch that the belt comes into contact with. Take your time to ensure that you get everything. When you get the new belts on, apply a small amount of "PANEF" belt dressing to each belt (including the shutter belt) and make sure it gets distrubuted evenly by turning the motor on for awhile right after you apply it. This will prevent premature wearing of the belts and also help stop the "belt shedding" to a point. Doing all of these things will also reduce overall projector vibration. For best results, clean the gears, pullys, notches, everything every 6 months.

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Jim Bedford
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 - posted 07-15-1999 02:14 PM      Profile for Jim Bedford   Author's Homepage   Email Jim Bedford   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Thanks for the info Joe. Where can I get belts and how do I specify what I need? Anyone got a parts list for a Christie P35C?

Brad, I'm not sure I want to ask you to scan or give up the book, I was just wondering if there was an extra one lying aroung in a 6 or 14 Christie booth somewhere. I know my machines are a bit out of date, and I know that makes them a better model as well.

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Jonathan Haglund
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Has anyone found any new methods for fixing the loveable old christies? I'm not expecting a coversion to Kinoton quality or anything, but the 10 that I have are pretty bad, with a few exceptions here and there.

I followed the threading guidelines in the Tips section and am going to sand down some of the platters tomorrow, but what else can I do to crank out decent performance from the P35GPS's?

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Brad Miller
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There are actually several good tips that Sean James from Christie has passed along and a few more that have been found elsewhere, but I haven't had the time at the moment to get pics and write out instructions yet. What kind of problems are you having?

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Jonathan Haglund
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The problems I'm having are basically the ones that people seem to hate Christie for:

Horribly unsteady picture
Very loud operation
Pad roller handles just popping off and throwing the roller out of alignment. Right now I just replace the roller.
Not very sharp focus. Not sure if thats christies fault. We have all schneider lenses, may I have bad eyes.
And the lower constant speed assembly (or the motor itself?) moves much more freely and quietly on some of the projectors than others. Is that just belts or an oddity?

I don't have dolby digital issues because I have penthouse readers, but then again maybe I do, since I've never seen anything below a steady 3 on new prints.

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Brad Miller
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Unsteady picture. Is this vertical unsteadiness or horizontal unsteadiness?

Loud operation. Check your loop sizes. This is generally the problem. See the "threading 101" under "tips".

Pad roller handles...many people I know put a drop of SuperGlue on them. The super quick and dirty fix is to cut yourself a tiny piece of masking tape and put it on the shaft, then replace the handle. (Tape won't even wrap around the shaft fully.) Sounds cheap, but it works and it works damn well.

Schneider makes excellent lenses. I had a horrible problem with focusing until I removed the exhaust fans in the lamphouse that exhausted the air directly to the outside. Of course in my situation there was enough air flow that they were not needed, so I cannot definitely tell you to do this. (The fans were out of balance and were literally shaking the entire console enough to blur the image.) Check with your engineer first before doing that. Not all lamphouses even come outfitted with them. Another possibility would be to put a cushion on the bulb blowers, as that also increased projected resolution. Pictures of this are in the "tips" section.

Assembly turning freely...generally this is the belts being tighter or looser. However, there is a tiny washer on the shaft with the enormous allan head screw that I see commonly getting lost. You "should" be able to crank that down tightly without seizing up the assembly. I see machines running all the time where someone took it apart to change belts, lost the part and then just decided to not tighten it down quite all the way, but enough for it to cause significant drag when turning the motor over by hand.

The projector should not mess with an SRD penthouse reader.


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Jonathan Haglund
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Vertical unsteadiness.

I'll check again, but I'm pretty sure they all have blowers in the lamp houses. I'll talk to engeneering tomorrow about modifying them.

I follow your threading process almost exactly, except I havent had enough time to practice and gain speed on threading up. The noise is probably coming from the "ultra" mittent since I hear it when the motor is running without film. Someone asked if anyone had cracked one open. I figured I'd re-ask since 1.5 years has passed since.


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Brad Miller
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I know of nothing that can be done for the Ultramittent's "knocking". Some of them do, some of them don't. Perhaps someone on the forum has been inside of one of them. I never have.

Using FilmGuard will steady the vertical shaking. Even just wiping the edges of the print with it will improve the registration. There is no physical adjustment on the projector to combat that.

On the horizontal steadiness, Christie sells a little alignment tool which is worth gold for stopping the horizontal "weaving". I don't remember what the part number is, but get one!



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Joe Ritter
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Hi.
On the
christie Ultra-=mittent I have taken one apart. They seem much more "tinny" than some of the Simplex ones that I have had apart. My reason for taking one apart was it had quit and I thought it may have been out of oil. This was not the case however. There was a small burr on one point of the cross that i removed with an oil stone, I actualy don`t know wheather I made the burr myself when taking it apart or not I could see nothing that had caused it.
Down here in South NJ. you have to make do with what you have and try to repair what is available. Why is it that some of the Christie movements have provisions to oil them and some are sealed? I am a firm believer in oil for machines. I think that everyone that wants to work with projectors or any simmilar machine should start their education with "Oilcan 101". Some people may think that oil is messy but I know that machines like it. When you use to much oil, in most cases it will just run off, this is not always true but too little oil will definately "piss off" your favorite machine.
Thanks, from a newbie------Joe Ritter----

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Mark Gulbrandsen
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Guys,
We are about the only dealer outside of the factory that does Ultramittent rebuilds in our own shop.
The idea behind the Ultramittent is basically sound and a very similar thing was done in the Motiograph AA for years. There are however two problems that Christie/LaVezzi still needs to address with it. I have addressed these problems on other forums here in the past. Unfortunately Christie does not seem willing to address them. If they did, the Ultramittent would have far longer life. However it appears to me that they really don't care. GTS may indeed begin doing these mods ourselves if these improvements do not show up in a while.

The first is the fact that the outer cam bearing is not in the lube at all. And this bearing is subjected to a pretty harsh environment and load....all the belt gunk, humidity and condensation buildup that can possibly happen in a booth seems to accumulate in this bearing. Moving the outer cam bearing into the lube is a very simple thing to do. The shaft seal would then reside on the outside of the bearing as it does in a Pro 35 movement.

2. No lube is present in the outer star brearing either and this would be difficult to do. Unfortunately this outer bearing only has a crappy fibre shield on it and this allows lots of film dust to enter the bearing. Installing a beearing with a felt seal would easily extend this bearings life by 100 and not really add any unnecessary load on the movement. A rubber seal would be even better here but may add too much extra load on the cam pin.
Several good things have happened to the Ultramittent in the past couple of years though. First, the star is now webbed to make it stronger(as in the X-L) Both inner ball bearings have been replaced with bronze(or oilite) bushings eliminating this troublesome problem area. Its interesting that Motiograph did the same thing with the AA movement after they realized that ball bearings for the inner positions wouldn't cut it. These bushings should help extend life somewhat but there is still that troublesome outer cam bearing that WILL fail eventually, especially in high humidity, or dusty locations.

The cam pin(and cam and star dinemsions minus shafts) in the Ultramittent are the same in the Simplex X-L. This makes replacing the cam pin an easy thing to do if the movement is noisy during pull down. The only thing to be careful of here is to check the slots in the star as they may also be worn if the bad pin was let run too long. Worn slots may simply chew up the new pin in a short time period.
If anyone needs assistance with Ultramittents please feel free to contact us.
Mark @ GTS www.getgts.com
mark@getgts.com
801-485-5012 Phone


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Jonathan Haglund
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I checked the lamp houses today. They all already have 2" thick foam on the fans squished to 1". So the shaking I'm having is after that fix

I did a lot of lubricating and cleaning on everything else that rolls, and the sound seems to have cut down.
Mark: Is there a way to clean and oil the parts you mentioned being outside of the sealed oil system? And if so, where can I find a diagram of their location?

Brad: What is you're exhaust system like to not need the blower inside?

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Mark Gulbrandsen
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Jonathan,
You can't oil the bearings at all. They are greased for life(Supposedly), remember the P35 is maintainance free(?). They can be opened up, cleaned in a ultrasonic cleaner, repacked and the shield replaced. This is commonly done with some aircraft bearings and re-cycled bearings. To do this you have to open the movement up, disassemble it, do the bearings and reassemble.
Do Not Oil Anything in the P35!
Mark @ GTS


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Will Kutler
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I had the opportunity to see some current Christie upgrades to the P-35-GPS and AW-3. It would be nice if anyone who has experience with the upgrades can post their opinions so that everyone can know what they are, and how they are performing. I'll start:

Change over conversion: I performed all these conversions at my old theater. They work fairly well but need occasional adjustment. These adjustments are a "feel" that I have a hard time explaining--'tis easier to show. --New douser blades that are supposed to resist warpage are now out, but I do not have any experience with these. But in any case, warped douser blades will have an adverse effect on the changeover system!

Heavier steel Jackshaft and Shuttershaft pullies are now out. They do not wear as quickly as the old light aluminum ones do. However, keeping the pullys clean, proper alignment and belt tension are critical for proper operation. Also keeping the belt and pulleys clean and freshly lubed with a few drops of belt dressing is also very important! Swapping the pulleys can be a bear because Christie Lock-Tighted the set screws! Jackshaft must be removed from projector when swapping pulleys because of clearance problems.

There is a new style of Jackshaft assembly out--I have no experience with it.

The projector drive motor now has a hinged bracket. I have no experience with it.

Has Christie solved the problems of gate hardware loosening up? They love Lock-Tight! I prefer proper self locking hardware, lock washers, safety wire, cotter keys, etc!

Christie also has a "brain-wrap" failsafe attached to the AW-3. How is it working?

There are now quasi "beefed up" center rings. How are they? The brand new platters I recently saw did not have the two different diameter center rings to allow for trailer changes.

The AW-3 also has some "improved" electronics. I have no experience with it-how is it?

Still no arc viewing port on the SLC consoles. Also, access pannels are still screwed on (I heard that they were going to hinge them all).

Same old current tap switch on the power supply that many people have reported having problems with. Just remember to adjust tap switch with power off so that you do not melt-n-weld the contacts!

This is all--for now!



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Brad Miller
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I've been playing with most of these upgrades and recent improvements and thus far I am very impressed with all of them. Christie is definitely working extra hard to correct anything that wasn't quite up to snuff on their products.

More to report later when I can sit down and thouroughly go through everything.

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