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Manuel Francisco Valencia
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 - posted 08-10-2001 10:12 PM      Profile for Manuel Francisco Valencia   Email Manuel Francisco Valencia   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Maybe it is because I haven't had that much experience with other projectors but I must say what are you guys talking about!? I have 20 of the damn projectors and don't have a problem except for the basement readers. I have heard you guys say plenty on the noise issue, ok, well then somebody get me a decibel reading so I can compare. Vertical unsteadiness is usually operator error, I have yet to find this a projector problem. As far as the ultramittents go I have not found these to be the source of any problem. The douser is the only thing that really nags me, especially on the 6,000 watt houses. For a little background info these were purchased three years ago with about 8,800 hours as the peak out of all the 20. I am a Cinemarker so of course we have the "Christie Package." Have I just not experienced anything better or am I fortunate?

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Paul Konen
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Manuel,

Order some of the new douser plates. They work really well. I have
them installed on my 6K houses and have not warped yet. That and the
new douser lock work nicely.

Send me an email to 251 and I will give you the part number and other information to order the new plates.

Paul.

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Randy Stankey
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quote:
Will Kutler -- The AW-3 also has some "improved" electronics. I have no experience with it-how is it?

I have done some of these conversions. It consists of a new speed sensor that contains an IRED instead of a green LED and a photo diode instead of a CdS cell. It dispenses with the "old" LED power supply board that needs adjusting all the time. There is a new board that replaces it which doesn't have the three adjustment pots. There is just a resistor in its place. Also, there is a new filter card which has a different pattern silk screened on it. Instead of a "gradient" of dots it has a series of tapering lines that are thick on one end and narrow to a point on the other.

Once you get these parts installed and working right, the timing/adjustments of the system are greatly simplified. Basically you set the top speed to 24/25 RPM and the "low speed" (20% on the payout plate) until the motor just begins to hum. From then on you don't have to worry about the cell drifting on you. Setting the resistance to 70K? is a thing of the past. You won't see the film wrapping around the brain on startup like you used to and the payout will be much smoother and more reliable.

Just remember: I said, "Once you get these parts installed and working right"...
You have to completely tear the platter apart to do it. You have to take all three decks off and remove the center "axles". The filter card needs to be replaced and the cell/sensor unit has to be replaced. This is where it gets funky. You'll have to carefully bend the bracket on the new "cell" to get it in the right position. Sometimes you can't get the thing to work on the low speed adjustment. If bending the bracket doesn't work you'll need to get a new motor control card(s).

I have one theatre (18 screens) where the platters came with these things installed. I have had the fewest platter problems out of this theatre in all the places I have with Christie platters. I have one theatre where I have completed all the conversions. (14 screens) About 90% of their platter problems just seemed to evaporate as soon as the work was completed correctly. I have two more theatres where I am about half way done with the conversions. The half of the platters that are converted have been having few, if any, problems. The ones that I haven't converted yet still have to be callibrated every so often.

I only have two complaints about them:


  1. They can be a pain in the ass to do the conversions.
  2. What took them so long to come out with this?

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Joe Redifer
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Christie is using the Red LEDs again? Awesome. I hope

I like your second question, Randy. But as for the first, I'd glady do the conversion if the benefits were worth it.


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Brad Miller
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Randy,

This is the only thing that Christie has come out with as an "improvement" to their line of projection equipment that I do not like. Take a closer look real carefully. The speed has a "bump" in it and is too sensitive at it's slowest setting. This will wreak havoc on a long movie (3 hour Costner-type) when you get toward the end. This could've been corrected by elongating the linear lines on the light filter at the darkest end. Also, those lines could've been done to a point where payout is a couple of RPM shy of what the takeup is capable of. This would've allowed the platter to be timed to a point where full throttle could've been just BARELY enough to spin at the start of the movie, thus allowing an even smoother operation over the rest of the speed's range. As it is, there is a good 10% or more amount of headroom upon startup, which is not needed and IMHO is a bad idea.

Also, the reason your film is not wrapping around the back side of the brain anymore with these is because the speed is running too high (again, my opinion). You can take one of the older un-modified platters and turn up the speed for the EXACT same effect...but that would be foolish.

Christie's been doing a great job lately with improvements, but this one's a stinker. Keep the old graduated filter and circuitry. Wait until they perfect this design before you continue to change them out. A thrown print is not worth it and this year hasn't brought us one of those yet for you to see what the effects are.


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Gordon McLeod
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Actually the increased speed maybe to accomodate european machines with fast starting 3phase drives. A lot of platters had problems keeping up with these machines

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Manuel Francisco Valencia
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Thanks Paul but I already have the numbers. However your post helps me a lot because I was told that no matter what plate you put in the 6,000 watt projector it will warp it. After seeing this with my own eyes after a few weeks I believed it, but if these dousers are that good then I will get them. Also, are there any new shutter assy. If a shutter belt goes out in the 6,000 watt house with the blade in the light path and you don't catch it in about 30 seconds, it looks like the T1000 paid you a visit.

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Brad Miller
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The new douser plates are indeed very durable. I don't know how they will stand up to a 6000 or 7000 watt console, but they do stand up very well in at least a 4500.

If the douser melting is really a problem, have your engineer wire the xenon circuit through the exciter relays on the automation and the exciter circuit through the xenon relays. That way when the douser would "normally" open and the "exciter" would turn on, what would really be happening is the xenon would ignite. Same goes for shutdown. (The exciter/led would of course turn on when the START button was pressed and turn off when the failsafes drop.) Doing this on some lamphouses requires cutting into the interlock failsafe circuit, but on an SLC you can just move two wires with most automations and voila...no more need for an electric douser!

The bean counters should be pleased with this as well, for they will never have to purchase another douser plate, changeover coils and pay for technician time to repair the darned things.


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Randy Stankey
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I think I understand what you are saying Brad, but it sounds to me that all they have to do is modify the pattern silk screened onto the filter card, right?

When I put the first of these in, it was on a house that was playing Pearl Harbor. I chose that one because the print was getting thrown and I was sick and tired of having to retime the platter all the time. We'd get it perfect and it'd be wonky again in two weeks. (I assume it was because the cells were drifting?)

Like I said, I have one theatre where these were OEM and they rarely have problems. The one theatre where all of them are complete has had 90% of their problems just evaporate overnight. The two theatres where I'm 1/2 done have problems in the ones that aren't converted and virtually none in the ones that are.

I agree that there is still room for improvement but they are still better than the CdS cells.

BTW, Joe -- They are IrEDs. They are using a photo diode as a sensor now, instead of the solar cell, which only "sees" infra red... Which comes in handy because you can now test the thing with the cover off since white light doesn't affect them. You don't have to put the cover on to test it, only to have to take it off again when you have to go back and adjust something. Just don't go shining a flashlight directly on them because flashlights do emit infra red. (I found this out from experience. )

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Brad Miller
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Yup, modifying the silk screening just a tad would make that modification a really good one. It's not far off and they're on the right track with what they have. It's just not quite perfect yet.

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Aaron Sisemore
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So, Brad (or Randy): why not experiment with different filter patterns, until perfection is obtained, and then either begin making them yourself out of thin Plexiglas, or send the pattern to Bevan and let Christie do the honors? I was getting ready to jump for joy and then on to the phone with the dealer until I was hearing that the timing is still too wacky for long prints with sticky film

Aaron

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Brad Miller
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I did play a couple of years ago with adding some electrical tape to the edge to shave off 2RPM's worth near the top edge of the filter's range, but it was too much work and took too much time to get it just right. This is something that needs to be done at a factory. I know nothing about silk screening. I'd be happy though to put any new designs to the full test and give the big thumbs up when perfection is obtained.

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Randy Stankey
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What they need to do is make the filter out of glass and put a thin film of gold plating on so it forms a very smooth gradient, from completely transparent to completely opaque/reflective. You know, the way they make Serengetti Driver sunglasses.

Okay, so that'd be like shooting flies with a Howitzer and it'd be super duper expensive but my point is, if you want a perfectly smooth "power curve" you should do something like that. Not by using half-tone dots or tapered stripes.

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