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Carl King
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From: Saint John, New Brunswick, Canada
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 - posted 12-17-2001 08:53 AM      Profile for Carl King   Email Carl King   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
OSRAM Not a single problem of any significance in the two decades that I've been using them. All have exceeded their warranty and not one has exploded. Thankfully. The only bulb I ever had a problem with was a cheap knockoff that my tech guy asked me to try out. We found out why it was inexpensive. 135 hrs later, with 10 minutes left in the last performance of the night and B00M!!

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Pete Naples
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 - posted 12-17-2001 04:52 PM      Profile for Pete Naples   Email Pete Naples   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
OSRAM, had little trouble with these in all manner of lamphouses, although we did go through a funny phase (no pun intended) with a batch of switchers that didn't like OSRAM. Changed to the second choice lamp, the Ushio, and all was well.

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Barry Hans
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 - posted 12-18-2001 12:02 AM      Profile for Barry Hans   Author's Homepage   Email Barry Hans   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I've noticed different light temps. between Christie and Osram. Christie's seem a blue-er color vs. Osrams which seems to be more brown. I switched over to Christie bulbs a couple years back and think there a good bulb considering the cost savings in relation to Osram. Just out of curiosity, when striking a bulb how much life does it take off of a bulb? I had heard at one time the thought was 1 strike = 1 hour, is this true or myth?

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Paul G. Thompson
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 - posted 12-18-2001 02:15 AM      Profile for Paul G. Thompson   Email Paul G. Thompson   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Barry, I have heard one ignition is equivilant to about 45 minutes to an hour or more of actual running time. I think it also depends on the quality of the bulb being used as well as the type of power supply and its condition. Some of it may depend on the igniter itself.

Some will probably disagree with me, but that is what I have heard. Your comment is not to far off.

As the bulb gets older, it gets harder to strike. Sometimes the igniter sounds like it is splattering crap all over the place. Obviously, this might be equivilant to several hours per strike.

I'll bet that you'll get a more accurate answer from the bulb manufacturers.

Paul


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Paul G. Thompson
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 - posted 12-19-2001 10:51 PM      Profile for Paul G. Thompson   Email Paul G. Thompson   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Was advised today the Q-ARC XQ 3000H/S lamps had a "bad production run", and was also advised to take orginal spare we received in July out of service immediately.

So far, we lost two reflectors to Q-Arc bulb explosions in the Strong Super Lumex lamphouses in the last three months or so.

That bulb is in service, as it replaced the one that blew up in No. 2 with 349 hours or so. Both bulbs were part of the July batch we received.

I am going to replace them with 2500-Watt bulbs from either Christie or Hanovia, whichever I can get my paws on.

Paul


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Gordon McLeod
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 - posted 12-19-2001 11:58 PM      Profile for Gordon McLeod   Email Gordon McLeod   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I think it will be difficult to get Hanovia since ORC bought them out years ago
try Superior Quartz

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Pat Moore
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 - posted 12-20-2001 09:42 PM      Profile for Pat Moore   Email Pat Moore   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Paul; Gordon is right on the Super Lume-X as 2500W is the limit for it. It's for several reasons -- the 11-inch reflector (we feel) is too small a working surface to handle that much power without heating and coating problems, as well as the fact that it's a fairly compact enclosure, so the limit was set long ago by Strong at 2500W.

I am aware of some locations that use 3000W lamps instead of 2500W, feeling they are a more reliable lamp. That's fine if: a) the 3kw lamps are physically compatible; b) the cooling and exhaust is VERY good (MIN of 250CFM, I would say); and c) you run a fairly "soft" 3000 Watts (100A or less).

Pat

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John Walsh
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 - posted 12-20-2001 10:27 PM      Profile for John Walsh   Email John Walsh   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
We are testing a bulb from Superior Quartz in one of our Xetron consoles now. We usually buy/use Osram. While the light is about the same, I noticed the SQ bulb had much less of the "new-bulb flickers."

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Paul G. Thompson
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 - posted 12-20-2001 10:30 PM      Profile for Paul G. Thompson   Email Paul G. Thompson   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Pat:

Thanks for the input. At 100 amps with the switcher power supply, the load voltage is about 25 volts. This gives 2500 watts. That is about 100 watts above the minimum requirement for the 3000 watt lamp. (presuming the figure of 80% is still valid for manufacturer's recommendation)

It would seem to me that after a xenon lamp ages (about 1000 hours or so) ignition may become a little harder. I have observed this in our lamphouses. Of course, with the Strong igniter, it'll make practically anything strike.

If a 3000-watt bulb is used, there is no headroom to compensate for bulb aging in our system.

Just my thoughts.....Do they make sense?

Paul


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William Bunch
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From: Misawa, Japan
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 - posted 12-21-2001 02:14 AM      Profile for William Bunch   Author's Homepage   Email William Bunch   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I wish we could get OSRAM but have to settle for ORC.

We use 2000 and 3000 watt in the L.P.A. lamphouses with L.P.A. reactor power supplies. We have had some "bad batches" over the years that had me going around changing capacitors and tighening wires, etc. Most likely unnecessary. But for the most part the ORCs perform well. Only two explosions of the 50 in use and those were due to improper handling or insufficient cooling.

Our theaters only run one or two features a night then the bulbs are resting. But we usually get over 2000 hours without problems. We do changeovers in all theaters and leave the bulbs on for the whole performance. We disabled the "simmer" mode in the LPA units many years ago. Somebody said the lamps would last longer without it. I never noticed any difference.

But there are some name changes of late. Anybody know how that affects the final product? At first it was ORC provided by L.P.A. then just ORC. Now I see it is Perkin Elmer. But the address is always the same. ??

Whenever a theater calls and says they have a hard-to-start lamp I always check the weather map first. Seems the ignighters on these LPAs rely on a spark gap that is affected by barometric pressure. So if there is a typhoon in your area be sure to turn your power on early. Quirky..Yes?

Bill BuncH
Misawa, Japan

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Mark Gulbrandsen
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 - posted 12-21-2001 03:20 AM      Profile for Mark Gulbrandsen   Email Mark Gulbrandsen   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
We recently attempted to renegotiate a new lamp pricing with Osram. While they did budge on the price a little bit it just was not enough to get us to change away from Ushio/Christie lamps. They even said that they were not interested in even trying to match the Ushio/Chgristie pricing. GTS sells alot of xenon lamps, and thousands of stage/studio lamps and our problem level with either Ushio/Christie or Osram lamps in general have been basically zero. One also has another advantage with Ushio/Christie in that they are on the west coast so this makes it easier to get a lamp shipped out in an emergency later in the day than in the case of Osrams location in Ohio. I can live with either of these lamps, both are good companies to deal with, but in my opinion, the company that IS interested in getting our buisness reflects this through their pricing, and they in turn get our buisness.
Mark @ GTS


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Steve Guttag
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 - posted 12-21-2001 01:56 PM      Profile for Steve Guttag   Email Steve Guttag   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I have done shoot outs with Christie lamps even Osram vs Christie....the Christie has NEVER, and I mean NEVER lost. The Christie lamp always lasts the longest and remains flicker free longer. They also individually test there lamps and their lamp test cards always agree with my measurements...most other lamp manufacturers rubber stamp their lamp test cards and they are all effectively the same. When a Christie lamp has a card that says at 100 amps it will be 29.6 volts...that is what I measure too.

Christie also has an huge current range that works well with them on any given size.

The only quirk I have had with them is on some igniters they are harder to strike.

Steve

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Mike Judge
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I heard ORC went out of business...just what I heard though. Not impressed with those bulbs. Above all, Christie, far and away. You open it up and the first impression, even by holding it is that it's quality. It feels solid. I have had no problems with the LTI bulbs though, I guess I'm just fond of what I know best. Even though LTI now sends out great little flag lapel pins in their latest bulbs. Osram is good as well. Basically, my only problems are with ORC.

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Aaron Sisemore
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>>I heard ORC went out of business...just what I heard though.<<

They didnt really 'go out of business', they were victims of a merger and a resilting spinoff.

-Optical Radiation Corp. (ORC) was absorbed by EG&G Technologies around 1996. Shortly before this (1995, IIRC) ORC sold its Cinema Products Division (except the bulbs) to Ballantyne.

-In 1999, EG&G spun off its optoelectronics division (including ORC) to PerkinElmer.

PerkinElmer has not been known for doing things right the first time: They were the makers of the mirror that doomed the Hubble Space Telescope...

I'll Stick to my Osram and Christie xenons, thank you. I have even seen a CHINESE(!) generic bulb hold up better than an ORC/PE... :O

-Aaron

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Paul G. Thompson
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Well, the last of the Q-ARC bulbs finally died. Had a total of 578 hours on it. Not too bad, since the other two blew up.

This one just decided to go "Pbpthbpthbthp!" in the middle of the show. We only lost two shows.....two too many.

While I was at it, I decided to change the mirror that was demolished in the last Q-Arc explosion....and showed it to our popcorn salespeople with a comment that this is what someone's face might look like if the bulb blew up while changing it.

If I can get a good picture of the mirror, I'll send it to Brad and maybe he might post it. This is the worse mirror I have seen. Hopefully, it'll keep the personnel out of the lamphouse unless they are fully qualified and have the protective clothing to change a xenon bulb.

Paul


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