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Tim Sherman
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 - posted 09-20-2001 11:49 PM      Profile for Tim Sherman   Author's Homepage   Email Tim Sherman   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I would definatly have to say the neumade tape is the best i have used. I operate a drive-in and have an intermission clock that get run twice everynight. I have splices on there that are over two years old and are in perfect shape still. Just a note for those of you that must use zebra tape, get the neumade zebra tape. It peels off very easily when you want it too and leaves no yellow residue on the film. Even after being on the film for over a year.

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Christos Mitsakis
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 - posted 09-21-2001 10:45 AM      Profile for Christos Mitsakis   Email Christos Mitsakis   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
The clear splicing tape made by Kinoton is my preference.
My question is, Which tape lasts in time (the adhesive material doesn't deteriorate or become sticky) so it is adequate for archival purposes?

regards,
Christos.

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Michael Cunningham
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On the use of "Zebra" tape for marking reel changes, I was wondering how those who use it position the tape. The stuff I use has an 'I' shaped red striping pattern with clear blocks in between. I position the tape so that the vertical bar of the 'I' runs off the edges of the film. The end result is a red bar through bothe sets of sprocket holes woith no coloring in the picture area itself. I have seen other people place the tape so that the vertical red line runs right through the picture area, along the cut between the two pieces of film. Thoughts?

-Mike

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Scott Norwood
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With zebra tape, I do what Michael does. The problem with positioning the bar across the frameline is that it becomes visible on screen with Academy or scope prints. It can also make a thump in the soundtrack.

As I've said before, I don't really like the zebra tape much; for the most part, it's not any easier to find splices made with it and it tends to be more difficult to peel than the clear tape. The zebra tape that I've used also tends to leave bits of yellow gunk on the film. Give me Neumade clear tape any day.

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Ron Fleming
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Does anyone still use the solid yellow tape?I found it vary easy to find the splices during break down. I still get prints coming in to my theatre with the shoe polish or white marker on the edge of the film to indicate where the splicer is.

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Ken Lackner
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Ron,

If you ever find a print with white-out or shoe polish to mark the splices, here's what you should do: Have the shipping depot track the print, and pay a visit to the last theatre that had it. Determin if they were the shoe polish users. If not, contue to the previous theatre, and so on. Once you found the culprit theatre, beat the operators with a 2x4!

Solid yellow tape (this is called opaque tape, right guys??) will show up on screen, even if only breifly. I would not recomend using it.

My preference is the yellow zebra tape. I do place the line across the frame lines. (what else is it for?) Maybe you guys have well-trained eyes, but I have never seen it on screen. Does Nuemade make zebra tape that is as good as their clear?

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Ron Fleming
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Yes, nuemade does make the zebra tape. I order mine from NCS.Which is located in Florida. Give them a call.

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Ron Fleming
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This is true it does show up on the screen for a split second. Most audiences do not even notice but for the few that would I use the zebra tape for reel to reel splices and the yellow tape for trailer work.

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Paul Turner
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 - posted 09-23-2001 12:00 AM      Profile for Paul Turner   Email Paul Turner   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
The last couple prints i recieved had a yellow tape folded over the edge of the film. It runs about 4" along the outside of the sprocket holes and is maybe a millimeter wide onto both sides -- just before the end of the reel. Colour me stupid, but I've never seen this before. Seems to be an adhesive version of shoe polish. My print of The Deep End had it on the "Platter" side (opposite sound track) of the film, which strikes me as a wee odd if it's to help break down the print. you can't see it!

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Brad Miller
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Paul, that's CPI's "EdgeMark" tape and it is designed to make breakdown easier. Joe did a review of it here in the reviews section well over a year ago and had problems, but supposedly the width has been corrected. CPI never did send me one of the newer rolls to perform a re-review though.

Not everyone runs soundtrack "up" on the platter. Some die hard SMPTE fanatics have taken the much outdated "emulsion in" argument far beyond what it was written for and insist that the soundtrack must be down, hence the reason the tape was on the wrong edge for you to see.

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Aaron Sisemore
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I recommend the CPI "Splicemark" tape, as it doesnt seem to affect digital soundtrack reproduction, which opaque tape and yellow 'Zebra' tape does.

Aaron


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Steve Guttag
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I'll be just a bit opinionated here...

First off...if you use solid opaque splicing tape (yellow, white or what have you) for your splices...get out of the booth...you are really bad. It really pisses me off that those sort of booths operate and contribute to the deterioration of the quality shows in the industry. If you can't see a flagged splice (zebra, splice marked or home made) then once again, you are not good enough to handle the film. Many operators have no problem dealing with just clear tape, without the flagging of some sort. Kelmar had an interesting tape one that was clear but would glow purple under "blacklight"....it never caught on though.

Next...as to digital drop outs...it has nothing to do with the opaqueness of the tape...you can use an opaque tape (the full 1" variety) and not have a digital drop out...the problem isn't that the tape is opaque but that the film is both misaligned and out of focus when the spice goes through...any tape will though the film out of focus from the reader's standpoint. How well the two ends of the film are aligned and how well the tape is trimmed will affect how hard the reader has to work to "find" the data block...when these two items are combined dropouts occur. Splicemark's virtue is NOT the magenta color nor that it has a thin side that doesn't cover the digital data but that it is notably less wide (19mm?) so as to not have the data out of focus as long.

As far as tape goes, Neumade makes an excellent tape...it's adhesive virtues are well noted. It does not stick to oily film though which I don't find a problem since one should clean the oil off the splice area first anyway.

I have been testing CPI's splice mark. It has the nice virtue of being less wide. It only affects two perforations on each side of the splice. An added bonus is that either 6-hole or 5-hole splicers will now make the same splice. The 1" tape normally ends up only partially covering the last hole on each side. The tape seems very clear as compared to Neumade. It peels off as easy as Neumade's at the end of the run and seems a bit thinner and runs through the projector quieter. My wish would be that the flagging would be in white rather than magenta. I don't have any long-term results yet but I'm still working with it.

Steve

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Scott D. Neff
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I'm still partial to clear tape -- I agree that it's not that much harder to find than any other tape. Although I do enjoy the splice-mark tape, as you can see it fly by when you're watching the print break down.

One thing I liked, we used to get movies circuited from Pacific Theatres Corp. -- and they had a clear splice that would glow if you shined a light on it -- I'm assuming this was expensive, and stopped being made, but it was great.

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Wes Hughes
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Personally, I don't use opaque tape...but geez, it isn't that bad! I covers half of two frames and goes by in less than half a second!

I use a type of "zebra" tape, but it does not have a cross-frame line...it only has a skinny line inboard, and a broad line outboard. It does sometimes cause a short digital dropout. I try not to ever use just clear tape at reel joins anymore. On a busy thursday night, missing ONE clear splice can cost you 5 or 10 minutes of backtracking. I simply cannot afford that.

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Gordon McLeod
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Sorry but I can see those flashes and they tend to break the suspension of disbelief and remind one is watching poorly presented film

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