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Scott Norwood
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From: Boston, MA. USA (1774.21 miles northeast of Dallas)
Registered: Jun 99


 - posted 10-15-1999 07:12 PM      Profile for Scott Norwood   Author's Homepage   Email Scott Norwood   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Brad - just send them to an AMC theatre and tell them to look for "lots of dust and scratches and a big 'pop' in the soundtrack"; that's a kinder way to show people how reel changes work. Tell them that they shouldn't notice reel changes in a good theatre, and it'll keep them out of the AMC gigaplexes as well.

And, yes, my friends all hate me for showing them the cue marks and my Clint Phare cue mark maker...

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Kenn Fong
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From: Oakland, CA 94610 USA
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Back to "Fight Club": Did anyone notice what appear to be dust spots on the negative? They show up as a lot of random white spots on the print. We got a new print so they must have been intentional.

(This reminds me of when I saw "Schindler's List" deep into its run, I commented on how clever Spielberg was to put in all the spots and scratches to give an old newsreel feeling. I was told the prints came from the labs clean and the scratches and spots were there because it was an AMC house.)

Thanks to you, Paul, for bringing it up, and to you Brad for confirming it was part of the film. I was able to print out the discussion and bring it to work today so I could give a heads-up to our projectionists.

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John Walsh
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When they "shake the frame" in, "Fight Club" I'm pretty sure I saw a DTS sound track on the left.

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Joe Redifer
You need a beating today

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From: Denver, Colorado
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 - posted 10-16-1999 03:57 AM      Profile for Joe Redifer   Author's Homepage   Email Joe Redifer   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
At the very end just before the credits, there is fake shutter ghosting. Working in a booth with Christie projectors, I started to freak out for a second or two because as everybody knows, the Christie projector uses a shutter belt with an operating life of about 3 days.

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Tom Ferreira
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From: Conway, NH, USA
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 - posted 10-16-1999 08:23 AM      Profile for Tom Ferreira   Email Tom Ferreira   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Luckily I didn't watch Fight Club, and have no intentions on doing so-ever. It's sort of a pact I have with Brad Pitt. He makes horrible, unwatchable films that tank at the box office, and I avoid them at all costs. Last night(Friday), Fight Club was easily my lowest grossing picture with about 14 people all night, most of which were backwards hatted fifteen year old boys who had mommy come in to buy their tickets. Getting back to the point, if I had watched this thing, I probably would have panicked at all these 'cute' tricks, too. At least with Gremlins 2, the producers had the good sense to send out a letter explaining about the film burn, which was very realistic.
Two other problems with Fight Club(besides the demographic):
The reel change between five and six. No frame lines, no any indication of any. I assume it's a fade out/fade in, but I hate it when they do this. Just makes our job tougher.
The other thing is the cheezy promo kit that Fox sent out. The bars of cheap hotel soap stunk my office up, and, even though Fox doesn't use Technicolor, I'm keeping the bandaids as a useful commodity for the next time I cut my hand open on a broken Technicolor reel.

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Kenn Fong
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Tom, If you don't want that soap, send them to me. I'll send you my snail address and give you five bucks for your trouble.

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Aaron Mehocic
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 - posted 10-17-1999 12:42 AM      Profile for Aaron Mehocic   Email Aaron Mehocic   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
"Fight Club" is doing terrible business at our theater too. However, many of the folks I work with hold the film in high regard. Not any reverence for Brad Pitt, they just like to see a projectionist who beats the s**t out of people. Everybody keeps saying, "Aaron, you got to see it!". I will see it, but right now time is not in big supply.

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Tom Ferreira
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This is turning out to be one of those strange cases where our theatre is bucking the national trend. Usually if a film is #1 in the country, it's our highest grosser. In the case of Fight Club, it was easily our lowest for the weekend. On Saturday, Superstar did eight times the business that FC did. All I can say is that FC must be doing phenominal business in urban areas. By the way, I'm getting tired of these movies that are running almost two and a half hours. John Waters said it best when he said that no film should be over ninety minutes. I'll never argue with that sentiment.

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Stephen Jones 1
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From: Tulsa, OK, USA
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 - posted 10-18-1999 06:12 AM      Profile for Stephen Jones 1   Author's Homepage   Email Stephen Jones 1   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Actually, before you make asumptions on a film that you haven't seen, maybe you should go see it. Edward Norton is proabably his generation's best actor. This film is very well put together. It's actually sad beause it targets the younger teenage crowd, but the undertones of this film are deeper than what any teenager could ever grasp. I thoroughly enjoyed this movie. It is the most unforgettable movie you will watch this year. I'm not saying that you'll love it or hate it, but it is unforgetable. Okay... sorry about the little film review. Despite what I normally think of Pitt, he acutally was decent in this movie.

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Erika Hellgren
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 - posted 10-19-1999 03:12 AM      Profile for Erika Hellgren   Email Erika Hellgren   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Fight Club did very well at my theatre. Sold quite a few tickets to the 10:45pm show during the weekend.

I finally saw the whole movie (not all at once, but I pieced it together in my head), and I didn't think it was all that bad. I liked the editing style ... very surreal. I did not care for the gore, like that blond guys' face after Edward beat the crud out of him, or when Ed shoots himself. Ug. But truly, I don't know what all the hype and attention is about. It IS just a movie after all

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Rick Long
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Reading Erika's post made me stop and think about how many movies I, too have seen this way -occassional glimpses out the port-hole while checking the presentation. I calculate about 98%.

She is absolutely right. We mentally piece these segments together, and use logic to fill in the missing parts.

That's why projectionists would make very good (or very bad -I'm not sure which) film critics.

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Scott Norwood
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We ran "Shakespeare in Love" for three weeks on 26" reels with R1-R4 on the first large reel and R5-R7 on the second large reel. I never did see that film straight through from beginning to end, but I could probably still do the R4->R5 changeover in my sleep.

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Ed Johnson
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 - posted 10-20-1999 12:59 AM      Profile for Ed Johnson   Email Ed Johnson   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
In response to Stephen Jones 1's comments on fight club:

"the undertones of this film are deeper than what any teenager could ever grasp"

Watch out for those generalizations! Some of us teenagers are not the complete morons you are implying we are. Some of us are even competent projectionists. Don't slam every person between the ages of 13 and 19 because of a personal stereotype!

Do people magically grow smarter and gain respect when they turn 20? Maybe I should look forward to that!

Sorry. Personal pet-peeve.
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Ed Johnson
Lawrence University
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Stephen Jones 1
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Sorry, didn't mean to sound so condenscending. I said this because, at the theatre where I work at, most of the staff didn't like Fight Club because it was too boring. I don't think all teenagers are stupid. I myself am only 19. It just seemed like Fox was trying to hit that teenage crowd with a movie that they probably wouldn't like because they would be expecting to see car chases, explosions, and sex, not boring narrative dialogue. You do have to admit that the trailer was a bit mis-leading.

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Tom Ferreira
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I also understand that there are intelligent teenagers who can grasp the nuances of a complex and challenging film, but they're not the ones that Fox is marketing this film to. I've been in the field for a long time-I've seen the patterns.
R-Rated film comes out and the fifteen years olds with Austin 3:16 and Korn t-shirts drag daddy down to the theater to buy their tickets for them. Nobody bothers to notice that the film is two and a half hours long, and the director's intent is purely allegorical. After fifteen minutes, the Korn Boys are out to buy more nachos(good for the theater's per cap). After forty five minutes, an usher has to speak to them after complaints from other patrons that they are talking too loudly amongst themselves. Shortly thereafter, they head for the rest room for fifteen minutes, then ask if it's ok to leave the building and come back(no). All the while disturbing people who are intelligent enough to enjoy the film. Again, I reiterate that there are teenagers who have the brains to understand a deep film, but they're overshadowed by the morons who have nothing better to do on a Friday night, and have no respect for the people who work in this business, and the people who pay good money to be entertained, only to be disturbed by their distractions.

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