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Will Kutler
Phenomenal Film Handler

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From: Tucson, AZ, USA
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 - posted 09-19-2001 03:15 PM      Profile for Will Kutler   Email Will Kutler   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Make sure your hands are clean.

I use a clean rag and alcohol to clean the gate and trap, sound drums and metal rollers. Alcohol disolves any deposited film emulation and evaporates leaving no residue.

I use Q-Tips and alcohol to clean sprockets. It is very possible to accidently get a toothbrush bristle cought in the intermittent resulting in a badly scratched print--even if you clean the machine correctly by turning it over by hand!

409 or a mild soap solution followed by a clean water rinse and thourough drying to clean plastic rollers and platter decks.

Clear silicon bicycle chain lube to lube rollers such as on the AW-3 that do not use roller bearings on the rollers.

When cleaning painted surfaces, be careful of what you use, as solvents can attack and remove the finish! I like to use something like STP Silicon and NOT Armor All--which contains alcohol and can ruin finishes over the long haul!

No to carburator cleaner for reasons already stated!

No to compressed air, as you do nothing but blow crap around, and in a worse case situation can damage equipment by blowing dirt into places where it can cause damage. Using compressed air to clean machines in a machine shop enviornment is one of the deadly sins! Shop vac is much better! Compressed air is needed to blow out motor brush carbon dust--but take the motor off the platter and do this outside!

I have my own ways of cleaning bearing surfaces and cast iron (to remove rust), and am a little hesitant about discussing it for fear of an inexperienced person having an accident and or ruining the machine.

New clean oil can be a good method of desolving hard built up grease deposites.

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Rich Landry
Film Handler

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The use of brushes and WD=40 in the cleaning is great.
The use if any solvents and compressed air is a real NO NO!!!
Compressed air puts dust and dirt where you don't want it, into
the bearings.
Solvent, on plain bearing machines, has the ability to remove the
protective oil on startup, and with 'OILITE' type bearings will strip
the bearing of its lubricating qualities, destroying it prematurely.

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Greg Mueller
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For cleaning off ancient baked on oil and stains, on the old Norelco, I use "Goof Off" on a Q-Tip. I wouldn't advise using it around any sensitive parts though. It's pretty agressive.

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Greg Mueller
Amateur Astronomer, Machinist, Filmnut
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Manny Knowles
"What are these things and WHY are they BLUE???"

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Aaron: When you use diesel for cleaning gears, do you use anything to remove the diesel from the parts before re-lubricating them?

Unless there are serious objections to its use, I am attracted to the idea of using diesel because of all the products mentioned here (for degreasing) diesel is the most readily available here.

Is anybody else using diesel for cleaning?

Brad: Is there a comparable product to substitute LPS Cleaner/Degreaser? There is a NAPA parts store here and they carry the LPS brand, but not that product. The main ingredient in the NAPA degreaser is kerosene.

And, while we're on the subject, is there anything that will safely remove these purple-ish stains from the projector?

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James R. Hammonds, Jr
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Manny, are you referring to the film gates and bands being stained purple to a degree that you cant even scrape that crap off?
If that is the problem, then it will all disappear after a few weeks of running filmguard.
Somehow, it just dissolves the stuff or washes it away somehow.
I know because it happened to me

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Manny Knowles
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The purple pigment is on the film bands and it is also discoloring the paint job on the interior of some machines.

I am only using FilmGuard for edges at the moment, so I don't think I'll reap that benefit just yet.

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Aaron Sisemore
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Manny:

I use diesel as a parts degreaser when rebuilding projectors, not to clean operating machinery (i guess the projectors would smell like a truck stop if you were to do so) and mainly because it is readily available, safe for almost anything you can stick into it (don't use it to clean roller bearings for example), and cheap when compared to many other commercial degreasing solvents.

Once the parts are cleaned, some get simply wiped dry with a shop rag, others (head castings, shutter housing castings, large pulleys, etc.) get washed in hot soapy water then immediately towel dried.

-Aaron

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Manny Knowles
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Thanks Aaron for the speedy reply.

I am required to "rebuild" each of these Century's (poss Monee copy) about once every 4-6 weeks. Essentially, the whole thing gets torn down, inspected and remounted. It may seem like overkill, but the problems go away when this fanatical approach is used. It's good in a way because I have found quite a few screws that vibrated loose as well as the occasional gear that is showing signs of wear.

The heavy-duty techs have to fly in from the U.S. and after 9/11 they aren't too willing to get on an airplane...or into an airport. I hear it's hell trying to get on an international flight. Anyway, we have generally managed to limit their involvement to installation and electrical maintenance/repairs.

Also, I am down to the last two tubes of LUBRIPLATE and I'm wondering if anybody has ideas about gear lubricants. Is it really true that Vaseline Petrolium Jelly is the spec. lube for the gears in these?

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Richard Fowler
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Lubriplate...ugh...then they need the constant strip down. Loose gear screws can be a problem especially on Century type with syncronous motors....our fix on our projects is to use invertor drive motors for 2 - 3 second start up. Technicians afraid of air travel.....I have them usually complaining not enough since they love the frequent flier miles. ....or as a former technician, to get away from his wife.
Richard Fowler
TVP-Theatre & Video Products Inc. www.tvpmiami.com

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Aaron Sisemore
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The greases I recommend for Century/Westrex/Cinecita/Monee gear trains are:

1. Genuine Century gear grease (the orange stuff)

2. Permatex 'SuperLube' grease (CPI and others re-label this as 'Century Gear Grease')

3. Vaseline (only if none of the other lubricants are available)


Don't use:

1. Lubriplate or any other 'white grease': All it will do is harden up and become a huge mess.

2. 'Wheel Bearing' grease: While it will do a satisfactory job of lubing the gears and doesn't harden (and can be used as a last resort if none of the other recommended lubes are available), it is VERY messy and difficult to clean out of the housing because it is very thick and sticky. This grease is very good for use on platter disc bearings however...

-Aaron

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Manny Knowles
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I've done a quick search within this site and I'd like to verify the following before ordering.

The orange Century grease...sold by Strong?...product number is TU-380?

Richard: Does TVP sell this stuff?

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Gordon McLeod
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I use Molidnium disulphite grease on all century's and the clones
This was the specified greese on Westar/Westrex

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Manny Knowles
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Thanks, Gordon. I remember you posting this info recently, but I had no luck finding it.

Sorry if this is a dumb question...but Is that the same thing as Molybdenum Disulphide grease? If so, then do you have a specific product to recommend? I ask because there are all sorts of different grease products containing Moly.

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Gordon McLeod
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That is the stuff and I usually get the thick stuff that comes in a tube

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Michael Rourke
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Bringing this back to the top.

Manny you can order Molybdium Disulphide Multi purpose grease on line at MrMoly.com.

I used to use Rheolube (the brownish-purplish) petroleum based stuff that would come when I ordered TU-380. Then one day I ordered TU-380 and this terrible white grease showed up apparently I was the only one to make a fuss about the change. I have been using a Mobil One synthetic and am glad to hear that they have changed the Century grease TU-380 back to something suitable.

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