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Tim Reed
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quote: Gordon McLeod
from Hellezapoppin
SHEMP!!
quote: Joe Redifer
No keystoning on those screens
It was probably tilted back. A lot of vintage houses were built like that.
quote: Scott Norwood
What is it with well-dressed operators
I knew several old timers who came to work dressed like that, and sporting dress hats and jackets. They put on overalls if they had to do any dirty work. Different era.

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Gordon McLeod
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It may actually be a faked soundstage as well
Many older booths particualrly in studios and labs didn't have a connected flue to the lamps but a large hood over the operating area
They were very concerned with arc flicker from the draft

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Frank Angel
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quote: Tim Reed
I knew several old timers who came to work dressed like that, and sporting dress hats and jackets. They put on overalls if they had to do any dirty work. Different era.

This is not necessarilly something very unique for that time period. I was looking at a book of old photos of Brooklyn streets and it struck me that EVERYONE in those pictures wore dresses with suits, ties and hats for the men and formal dresses for the women. Evidently people just didn't go out in public unless they were dressed in formal attire.

There was a picture of the Flatbush Juction (the intersection of Flatbush and Nostrand Avenues) where I walk every day and it put a smile on my face knowing how people dress today as compaired to those in the picture. I think you could stand on that corner for 12 hours and not see a single person in a suit and tie. Just different times; not particularly unique to the projectionist profession.

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Jim Cassedy
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That old photo with the fancy projection guys was
a VITAPHONE publicity photo. The man holding the
Vitaphone disk is E.B. Craft, who at that time was
the Chief Engineer of Western Electric. He later
went on to become the head of Bell Laboratories.

The picture is from the AT&T photo archives.
(The original "AT&T" not the basterdized
company put together by SBC that exists today)

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Karl Borowski
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I bet the reason for the tux in the photo was that he was giving a presentation. If I recall correctly, a lot of people wore them for sales pitches, presentations.

I honestly don't get what the hell the big deal is with the tie phobia here; I like ties, and would rather have one on with a dress shirt than not wear one, unless I were going for the "Scarface" look ;-)

I suppose they can kill you if you get one stuck in a projector, but, just like some of the misthreads damage I see at other theatres, I'd have to *TRY* to fuck up that bad!

In a situation where I'd have a tie hanging down over something that could catch it, I would just tuck it in to the shirt, or put something on over my dress shirt to keep it out of the way.

Corporate polo shirts are about as appealing to me as having a brand mark or a tattoo with the company name exposed to view on my arm.

I'd wear a polo shirt every time though, if I were playing cricket or polo [Roll Eyes]

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Jeremy Weigel
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quote: Karl Borowski

I honestly don't get what the hell the big deal is with the tie phobia here

I don't think its necessarily a "phobia", but rather erring on the side of caution. Its a liability for the company. Not every one has the sense to use a tie tack, bar, chain, or tuck it to hold a long tie back from dangling.

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Karl Borowski
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I can understand their use not being required, Jeremy. I am personally not required to wear one.

I'm talking about some of the attitudes in this thread and by individuals I'm personally in contact with, not corporate policies. It's not as if a tie-wearer is teathered to a 50-lb. anchor, and ties look nice.

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Frank Angel
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In my hippy days -- late teens & 20s -- I wore the symbols of the youth of that generation -- long hair, ripped jeans, tie-dyed tee shirts, walking around bearfoot half the time, etc. Silly stuff the adults claimed, and no question that was the "uniform" and the symbolic trappings of my generation at the time.

But likewise, we pointed out that the adults also had a uniform. The commonly held belief among us was that the sole purpose of that most functionless and useless of all male apparel -- the business tie -- existed only as an overt symbol of a man's desperate servitude and submission to corporate greed and power. At all times he had to literally display a noose around his neck or he'd be out of a livelihood and out on his butt.

There may be some truth to that.

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Scott Norwood
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I actually have no problem with ties, but I also don't see the purpose for a job that does not require interaction with the public.

I find the older pictures that have been posted in this thread curious. The types of booths pictured tend to be dirty (from carbon dust) and oily (from older projectors that do not recirculate the oil through the mechanism). These are not good places to wear a suit or white shirt, especially if any of the equipment needs to be serviced. Even if one wore nice clothes to get to work, it would make sense to immediately change into something less expensive and more disposable, or at least to put on one of Gordon's lab coats.

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Tim Reed
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Scott, donning dress shirts, coats, and vests were just the way people dressed in those days. It was everyday attire, and just as common as button-downs or t-shirts today. When I was a child in the early and mid 60s, I can remember my father wearing a hat (dress hat) everytime we went out anywhere.. to the grocery, to the movies, for a drive - anywhere.

The older operators I knew who still dressed this way, often had other clothes in the booth, like overalls or shop aprons, if they had to work on something. Some just changed into the overalls when they got to work. I saw that in the Houston booths a lot.

Up until maybe the last thirty or forty years, everyone dressed in jackets and such whenever they were out...

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Geena Phillips
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Our company recently started making me wear the same uniform as normal, even when I'm doing activities like print-building. On the plus side, I don't have to worry about soiling my own clothes.

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Tony Gallimore
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At the last theatre I worked before retiring, we didn't have a designated attire. The manager wore a complete suit w/ tie; the rest of us gents wore dress shirts & pants w/ tie. The ladies mostly wore dresses, no jeans and definately nothing out of taste with a family operation. It was pretty much just understood and accepted without any enforced dress code... a standard we all set for ourselves and everyone voluntarily complied. When I had a "dirty" job (oil change, bulb rotation or such) to take care of I usually just hung the dress shirt and tie on a chair and worked in a tee shirt, then redressed before I went out among the patrons again. Everyone had pride in our appearance while working... that was until the theatre was sold. Soon the vests and draw string pants arrived in the mail, and pride pretty much left with the mailman. I don't even go there to see a movie anymore, the atmosphere is gone. The floors are filthy, drapes torn... they don't even use the waterfall curtains anymore. Pretty shoddy operation now-a-days. I might also mention we had few high schoolers working... our staff was made up of three teachers, two electronics technicians in the booth along with the other projectionists and other professional people who loved the business enough to work there part time after working a day job. A couple of the employees even held their wedding in the main house there. Needless to say, payroll probably took a bigger chunk of the profits, most likely prompting the sell out... don't guess I'll ever see an operation like that again.

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Chris Slycord
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quote: Geena Phillips
On the plus side, I don't have to worry about soiling my own clothes.
You might want to get that checked out by a doctor... incontinence at your age indicates bad things.

[Wink]

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Karl Borowski
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This probably sounds like a mixed message, but, I like wearing dress clothes only without being required to do so.

I think uniforms have their place, but too many organizations design uniforms that look silly. (Ads for movies printed on the back to the highest bidder anyone?)

Personally, if I owned a theatre, I'd take every new hire out, have them pick out an outfit that they wanted to wear, that was considered attractive to 90% of strangers, and buy it for them.

That is what dress clothes should be, not all of these tired cliches and bullshit about conservative and appropriate. Prison uniforms meet those two criteria; would anyone on here want to wear them?

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