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Gordon McLeod
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 - posted 03-04-2000 03:01 PM      Profile for Gordon McLeod   Email Gordon McLeod   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Well I agree with steve that cues should stay
As a user of them I really hate having to scribe them onto a print

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Tim Reed
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>Who is the supergenious at the labs who is putting a single changeover cue (one frame) at the start of all the trailers and advertisements?

I didn't see where anyone had answered this question, so I'll step in. The single frame of a cue mark at the end of the SMPTE Universal leader was intended for use in television (that's why it's called a universal leader, it was designed for both theatrical and television use). This cue is not put on by the lab.

In operation, this was the "take" cue, where the television master-control operator had to pre-roll commercials on film, he would watch the countdown on his "Preview" monitor. When he saw the blip of the single-frame in preview, he hit "Take" to put that machine on the air. If you watch this leader for the cue, it will be seen immediately before the picture comes on (or fades in)....in about the time it would take you to press a button.

That's what that cue is for.

Today, however, everything's automated and either on video tape or a server. Videotape spot machines pre-roll themselves. I worked at a TV station that had 12 U-matic machines hooked to a DTMF decoder; this was the spot machine. 5 different control tones were on audio ch1. If all the tones were picked up properly, the machines sequenced themselves. You only had to start it off at the break, and then keep them loaded with the next commercial (what a dance!). Of course, that was the way it was SUPPOSED to work!

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Bruce McGee
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Thanks for the answer Tim.

I sat here for several days trying to remember "Take" cue.

I, too, danced among the U-matic machines.

I have fond liquid FreonŽ memories, at least I think I do.

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John Wilson
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Hey, FREON FIGHT!

Many's the time I had a bottle squirted into my back at close range. SH*T that stuff was cold! (But very good at clearing head clogs).

I remember the techs used to go ballistic if we tried to clear a head clog on the run on the 2inch RCATR70 or the TR60. (they were not of the addage 'the show must go on'). They wanted us to put up the crash caption and remove the tape, carefully clean each head and continue...

HA! As if that would ever happen! Our tapes used to sit on the tarmac of airports all over Australia (very hot tarmacs) for long periods of time. This is not the ideal surroundings for video tapes and as such, most of our tapes shed oxide like a muthaf**kka. If we actually stopped every time, we'd be getting ratings on the crash caption instead of the program 'cos it would have been up so much.

I know this is film-tech and not video-tape-operator-tech so I apologize. (Personally, I blame the Freon )


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John Pytlak
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Now we all know why there's a hole in the ozone layer!!! FREON fights!

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Bruce McGee
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Sorry this has become video-tech memories, but only for a minute.

We had 4 TR-7's (TR-70?) that took forever to lock up. All air films had an 8 second cue on them due to this. When we got a pair of Ampex VT-2000's we retired 2 of the TR-7's

What an improvement.

I had an engineer buddy that could yell at the TR-7 and make it work. Honest!

FreonŽ wars. Got shot in the back while loading a 90 minute 700 club VT late at night. Tape bounced on the floor. Bent reel. Show would mess up every turn of the reel. Nobody ever called to complain.

TV was fun back then. I learned waaay to much to say here.

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John Wilson
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Hey, John! In those days, we didn't even know there WAS an ozone layer.

TV was fun in those days... 16mm live to air...2 inch tape...RCA-TCR100's that stuffed up the auto thread every other break...TR60's that would lose lock if you broke wind...(well, you get the idea).

Our TR70 would lock in four secs and in two secs from a standby mode. The TR60 ALWAYS took 7 secs even from standby.

Then along came one inch tape and everything changed...

My happiest moment was switching on air (the only person in the whole building) one Saturday night and being able to run Rocky Horror for the first time on televsion. I don't know what everyone else was doing, but I made sure I had a pizza delivered and some good ol' Bundaberg Rum with me for my own private party. I had the machine it was on patched into EVERY input and Every monitor I could and turned them all up to eleven.

(They tell me the night went off without a hitch... )

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Tim Reed
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John, Bruce, et.al.. Yes television was some of my most fun times (that and RADIO-heck, I was just a broadchasing fool). I missed the 2-inch quad days, though, but have heard many stories.

Speaking of the 700 Club... we taped that show off the air (CBN), and broadcast it immediately after it ended on the network. This meant we couldn't record the whole hour on one tape because there was no time to rewind it before it aired, much less cue it up. So we put it on 2 tapes (first half & last half), which overlapped each other for a few minutes about half way through the show. This would allow us to catch the last half up to the point of the overlap on the first and get them synced-up frame-for-frame. The changeover was completely undetectable. It was pretty slick. The engineering chief used to get mad at me because he'd spend 10 minutes speeding up and slowing down the second machine, to get it frame-accurate to the first tape, while I could sync them EVERY TIME in mere seconds! I would pause the catch-up machine on a scene change and wait for the corresponding shot to come up on the air, when I would release the pause. It worked everytime! (Of course, I didn't tell him my secret.)

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Gordon McLeod
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You mean you didn't scribe C/O cues on the tape?

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John Wilson
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I guess not. See? Even way back then visual cues were of no importance. It's nice to see the film world finally catching on to this too.

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John Wilson
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Erin Brockovich: No cues here in Australia. What about the US prints?

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