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John Wilson
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 - posted 03-18-2000 01:21 AM      Profile for John Wilson   Email John Wilson   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
He's NOT?!!!!!!!!!
YIPPEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Maybe they'll give it to Irvin Kershner to helm. Even though he turns 77 this year, he'd do a better job than Lucas as proved with Empire Strikes Back in 1980.

Don't get me wrong... George Lucas WAS a great director. American Graffiti is one of my all time favourite films. It's just that he didn't direct a single feature from Star Wars in 1977 until that slop last year (why not, I don't know... )and the rust he accumulated in those 22 years of non-directing will take some eradicating.

He produces well...he should stick to that now.


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Scott Magie
Film Handler

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 - posted 03-18-2000 02:46 AM      Profile for Scott Magie   Email Scott Magie   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I may not know anything about projection, but now we're talking my language. It's just like being back in film-school... arguing about films over Mountain Dew and a half page of scribbled notes during a "study session".

Just a few morsels from my universe...
- Strangelove is pure genius... but I don't think Kubrik should be canonized for his career... he should simply be listed among the top 50 or so directors of all time... which, considering how many people want to direct, is not that bad.
- Spielberg would also be on that list, so let's just be glad that A.I. isn't being done by Brian DePalma! It could be worse!
- My only complaint is that this project could postpone Minority Report... anxious to see what Steve does with Tom.
- Back before Episode 1, there was lot's of talk about George not directing 2 & 3. One person mentioned was Joe Johnston (October Sky, The Rocketeer, Jumanji, Honey I shrunk the Kids, and currently... Jurassic Park 3, a.k.a. "Extinction" or "Embryo"). I'm obviously a fan. Anyway, since "Jar-Jar and the Cute Kid Who Got Lucky" was released, I have heard nothing of George giving up his director's chair. Maybe he's afraid that he won't find a director that'll put up with Yoda's endless on-set antics.

Okay, that's my three cents.
Any other Joe Johnston fans out there?

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Mark Ogden
Jedi Master Film Handler

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 - posted 03-18-2000 03:40 AM      Profile for Mark Ogden   Email Mark Ogden   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Aaron: There's no need at all to apologize for having/expressing an opinion. I notice though that you took down Kubrick without benifit of seeing his most important works. Your list of his films you've seen excludes the pre-mentioned "Paths of Glory" "2001: A Space Odyssey" (the single most revered science fiction film of all time) "A Clockwork Orange" & "Barry Lyndon". Please make an effort to see these films, they are all universally accepted cinematic landmarks.

One more thing, if I may. You blast "liberal film critics" who applauded Kubrick for being a cinema rebel. What exactly is wrong with being a rebel? Do you feel that conformity and repitition are important to cinema? I would much rather see a film that was to the director a deeply personal statement then any
mass produced exit poll modified mainstream piece of celluloid (ooops, polyester)crapola.
"American Beauty" and "Boys Don't Cry", or "Scream 3" and "What Planet are You From"?
Anything that can be described as "art" is personal. All of it, including film.

My $.02. All right, everyone, back to blasting SDDS. Peace, brother. .

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Martin Frandsen
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 - posted 03-18-2000 04:49 AM      Profile for Martin Frandsen   Email Martin Frandsen   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I have big respect for Speilberg and Kubrik but it's all about money, if Speilberg finish Kubriks work that will bring big attention to the film and be good for the boxoffice. It's like makeing Picasso finish a painting done by Monet but it just won't be the same right?

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John Wilson
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No, it won't be the same but if anyone were going to try and finish his film, let it be someone who has the clout to say this is how it's gonna be to the studio and who was a great admirer of the man and his work.

Spielberg fits both these catagories.

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Tom Ferreira
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 - posted 03-18-2000 05:27 AM      Profile for Tom Ferreira   Email Tom Ferreira   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I'm surprised no one has mentioned The Shining, a film that Stephen King hated so much that he wrote his own screenplay for a remake. Who to believe-the director of the film, or the author of the source material?

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Chris Erwin
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 - posted 03-18-2000 08:45 AM      Profile for Chris Erwin   Email Chris Erwin   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
>Don't get me wrong... George Lucas WAS a >great director. American Graffiti is one of >my all time favourite films.

I've always heard the rumor Ron Howard directed more of that film than Lucas ever did.

On "Eyes Wide Shut" I was all hyped about it until I popped it in the VCR. An hour and a half later,I turned it off and when to bed.

--Chris

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Dave Williams
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 - posted 03-18-2000 01:56 PM      Profile for Dave Williams   Author's Homepage   Email Dave Williams   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Since I am the one who started this debate, I feel it is time to chime in with about 17 cents worth, and my reasons why kubrik was one of the greats...

1. The point has been made that Kubrik is not mainstream. This is good. Have you seen the number of mainstream movies these days. THEY SUCK. Kubrik is independant, and he does make films that make him feel good. The great ones always do. Not everyone is going to get it, it is art and as far as that goes that is what art is. It is open to interpretation by each and every person, and the director makes no bones about trying to explain it for the masses of fat munching couch pototoes that slob out 9 bucks for a movie and the equivalent of a house payment for popcorn. This is what makes independant film so great is that it becomes a different film for each viewer, no common demoninator exists. The films that pander to box office grosses often are thin of plot and weak in story, and filled with no talent bums like decaprio.

2. Films should be an extention of the director, not the writer. Yes you need a great script or story line, plot, actors, but the real storytelling is by the director. A powerful director can twist and turn you in your seat, a weak director will leave you wondering if that was a finger in your hot dog. If the director just takes the project, its a job, if it is something close to thier heart, it becomes a story. Case in point: I myself am putting on the reins of directing. A film called "from the winter snow" about a man who through the course of one therapy session comes to terms with what he has always seen as failures in his life and discovers that he never recovered from a near fatal car accident just one year earlier. The basis of the story is if you wanted to die and were ready to take your own life, would you fight to save yourself if fate stepped in to do it for you? Now this movie is going to be a total loss and a disaster at the box office, because it has absolutely no pretense of mass pandering, no special effects, no pretty leading ladies. It is a story special and close to me and will be told with my heart and not with my pocketbook. I estimate fewer than 10 thousand will ever see it, but thats ok, because I make this film of my valition and not to make a buck. That is what is wrong with hollywood these days. More bang for the buck is not such a good thing.

3. My 17 cents were up i think about a dollar and 22 cents ago..

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Steve Guttag
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>>"John and Joe, it's indeed very good to have goals in your life, like
John wants to be 'jedi' and Joe wants to be 'film-god' one of my goals
is to run 70mm on a regular basis with 2 DP70/Norelco projectors on a
curved screen in my own theater
Did i forget to mencen that it must be in 6 track Mag sound with a CP200"<<

Done it did it! ;-P

Actually it was on a Flat screen but it was at the MacArthur theatre in Washington DC (my personal favorite of all time). A pair of Norelcos, Futura IIs, Dolby CP-200 and 70mm (Star Trek II: The Wrath of Kahn) and later, the reissue of Raiders of the Lost Ark (the final film to play at the beloved MacArthur before it was cut-up <sniff>. For trivia buffs, the MacArthur was the World Premier theatre for STAR TREK:THE MOTION SICKNESS....er Picture

Steve

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Steve Guttag
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>>"There is no better director to take over a Kubrick project than Steven
Speilberg. Since Kubrick's death, Speilberg has been the best director
alive. Plus, he may be the biggest Kubrick fan alive too. I think the
nay-sayers will eat their words when the movie is released."<<

Just to show that everybody has their own opinions...

I have long considered Kubrick to be one of the best directors ever and while living, the best alive. Spielberg, on the other hand, I have at best mixed feeling about and normally find his film "directions" annoying and incompetent. Spielberg makes popular films, no question and picks good topics to film about. I just don't care one nit about the look of his films nor the direction. Of the Spielberg offerings, Raiders was my favorite and in my opinion, still his best offering to date.

As a Kubrick fan, Spielberg would not have been my first choice. I guess some will be pleased nobody consults me on such things as Spielberg is a popular director. I do wonder as film students study directorial techniques in the future how Spielberg will measure up with the likes of Kubrick, Wells, D'Mille, and Lean, to name a few.

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Dave Williams
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Speilberg aside, who are the best directors and what project do you attest to that?

Jean Caro: City of lost children

Alex Proyas: Dark City

either of those would be the choice to direct AI, not speilberg. These two have styles all thier own, inventing movie making as they go along... thats what its all about...

So what about the rest of you? who are the greats?

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George Roher
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Ridley Scott: Blade Runner

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Scott Magie
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Tim Robbins: Dead Man Walking
(He can't really be called one of "the greats" yet, but I would call this one of the most well-directed films of all time.)

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Martin Frandsen
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While were at it don't forget Martin Scorsese he's a very good director. BTW dosent he support the film-restoration projects as a producer?

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Gordon McLeod
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 - posted 03-19-2000 12:30 PM      Profile for Gordon McLeod   Email Gordon McLeod   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
My favorite directors
george Stevens
David lean
John Huston
Micheal Curtis

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