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Gordon McLeod
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From: Toronto Ontario Canada
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 - posted 05-13-2000 04:48 PM      Profile for Gordon McLeod   Email Gordon McLeod   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Scott in Toronto all our multiplexs were on 6000 foot reels until the recent construction raided equipment from existing plexes and I can quiet remeber doing less running around in a 8 plex with 6000' reels than I did in a eight plex with platters.
They had the Slim Jim Simplexes with the onboard rewind (not through the mech)
At intermission I wasn't running to rethread as the 1st reeel was already threaded in each screen.
I recently did a multi for a manager operator and he likes the reels because he is in the lobby at intermission between shows not up in the booth threading up

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Steve Guttag
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I dunno Brad...I did pretty well in math, in fact, I was just a couple courses shy of being able to double major in Electrical Engineering and Math....

I dunno about you but I can set up a multiplex running 6K reels with as few operators as you want, none even except on show change days (not that I advocate that sort of thing). If you will allow one full time operator on duty at all times than I can set up as big a plex with changeover as you can with platters. And if it is you against me in the booth...I'll take an extra screen on reels. :-)

Now to a recent story...

We recently set up a reopened single art/rep house...they wisely chose to dump the existing platter and reinstall the 2nd projector (and that was before I came into the picture!). In fact, due to the show change frequency, they are on 20 min reels. The manager they hired came from an AMC house and never seen any booth without a platter. During the week, theatre runs manager/operator too. One of the projectors could handle 6K reels while the one that was butchered for the platter could only handle 2K reels which wasn't an issue since they intended to run on 2K reels. A month after opening, they were running one machine on the 6K reels and the other on 2K (not surprising given that this was an old theatre where the booth is at the top of the balcony). I was just back to the theatre for a 6 month pm call and brought with me the equipment to allow both projectors to handle 6K reels...when the manager arrived, I told him about my plans to which I got... "don't bother we only run on 2K reels now and I took those noisy reel end alarms off too!" My jaw dropped. Here >I< was convincing an ex-AMC manager to have the capability to run 6K reels. He did look a bit slimmer, now that I think about it.

Steve

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Scott Norwood
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Steve - nope, I've never run (or seen) a multiplex with 6000' reels. It would be interesting, though. My limited multiplex experience has been with the standard platter/automation setup.

But I'm looking forward to running 2000' reels and carbon-arcs next weekend...

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Brad Miller
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 - posted 05-13-2000 09:03 PM      Profile for Brad Miller   Author's Homepage   Email Brad Miller       Edit/Delete Post 
Steve, I can run a 30 plex with platters with no problems. And you say you can run 30 changeovers? Who's going to be running around more here? It doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize you will be working MORE than twice as hard, because you've got not only double the projectors (triple for long movies) to thread, but you're got to REWIND all of them too! Geez, what if that 30 plex only has 2 rewind tables!!!

You REALLY need to do your math.


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Steve Guttag
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No Brad...if you are running 30 screens platters, I'll run 31 on reels. I'll be huffing a bit less too. Do the math any way you want.

Steve

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Josh Jones
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In Jamestown ND, there is a 3 or 6 plex, I cant remember, that runs 6k changeovers.

I cant remember if its automated though.

Josh

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Travis Cape
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 - posted 05-13-2000 11:24 PM      Profile for Travis Cape   Email Travis Cape   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I guess I never meant my comments to start a war about who can run the most screens. I would feel a bit lazy with one, but I also pop popcorn, sell tickets, clean, and fix all the old stuff that breaks. Not that I really want to do it all, we just can't afford to do it otherwise. Besides, with AMC and Wehrenberg locally, who else can do it?

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Kyle Smith
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I recently trained for a certain chain (12-plex) who's headquarters are in Australia and the name starts with an "H". Anybody have that figured out yet? LOL. Anyway, this chain required the projectionists to don their lovely red vests and tacky tie and go down and perform the QSC checks in each auditorium, three times per show, because the manager insists that projectionists "don't have enough to do" (what the heck do their ushers do?). On top of that, we were also asked to replace mylars and in the winter, shovel snow. All this for the astounding wage of $6.50 an hour. The supervisor gleefully pledged that this would be increased to $7.00 an hour once we "knew all there was to do" (In CT, this won't buy you pretzels at the concession stand). At least I still have O'Neills, is all I'll say. That "H" company obviously has tremendous respect for their employees. And their building is one big wooden box. I guess they're cheap all the way through. OK, I vented. Thank you for your endurance.

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Daryl Lund
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Tom moyer theatres ran 6000ft reels in His multyplexes eight screens. In the old days in downtown olympia, washing. tom had three single screen houses that were about two blocks apart two projectors with 6000ft reels and one projectionist that would walk from house to house starting and watching tha change overs. If you want to go way back use 1000ft reels and run your carbons off the street car cables.Like they did in seattle,WA

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Chris Rhode
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Kyle said:

Watching these "kids" pay no attention to their splices and threading, being more concerned with how fast they do their job rather than how accurate is extremely annoying and makes for redundancies on my shift, like fixing out-of-frame splices and the like (doing this in a 12-plex with no timers can be challenging in between shows).

I am an 18 year old "kid" from Tampa, FL who is the supervisor of the projection booth of the biggest theater in the area (not like that makes any difference though.) I can be quick and not sacrifice any quality at the same time. I have only had 1 bad splice in the 7 months that I have been working in projection (that was because I was very new to building up movies.) However I have witnessed what you are talking about first hand. There are some young people out there who take pride in their work (although that seems few and far between.) I wish I could fire people because if I had my way, 95% of my staff in projection would be gone.

I have seen people change trailers off of the floor (which has since stopped,) wind up trailers the wrong way (totally destroying the SDDS track,) and general carelessness when threading up movies (this has occured from a 30 year old man mind you.) I think of it this way... it doesn't matter how old you are, it is how much pride you take in your job working in projection that makes the ultimate difference in presentation. I can safely say that everybody who visits film-tech.com and participates in the forums take pride in their work. Most of the people that work for me just look it as a job that makes more money that people who work downstairs. That is what I am trying to rid the projection booth of because that is what degrades quality.

I may just be ranting here (I apologize if I am,) but just keep in mind that there are some kids out there that take their job in projection very seriously.

But I am not mad at you Kyle, I am just trying to distance myself from the rest of the group of kids.

Thank you for reading my rant (if you have gotten this far!!

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Sean M. Grimes
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As my first post I would like to extend a warm thankyou to everyone who posts their comments and helpful suggestions... I have worked for a single plex a ten and a thirteen and let me tell you I have to totally agree that changeovers are "it" for single screens and I would couldnt even fathom the event of a changeover multi.
And just to let you know Kyle - not all managers for Hoyts are ritiualistic pagans to their booth people... there really are some great people in this company - just like every other movie corp. you just need to stick with it and weed out the weaklings.

once again thanx to everyone for such a great thread.

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John Pytlak
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 - posted 05-15-2000 07:53 AM      Profile for John Pytlak   Author's Homepage   Email John Pytlak   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Chris:

I agree with you, it's not how old you are, but how much you care about learning how to do a good job, and then doing it!

I worked my way through college as a projectionist. Sure I made mistakes, but I learned from them. I read all I could find about projection. I learned from others whenever I could, visiting other theatres to see how they did things and to "talk shop" with other operators. My part-time job as a projectionist has become a rewarding career at Kodak, thanks to my mentor Ken Kavanaugh, who was the BA for the Buffalo IATSE Local at the time, and suggested Kodak as a great place to work.

Projectionists are a vital link in the movie industry. For a bit of inspiration, visit the Kodak site and play the trailer "One Million Hours" which says "It takes one million hours to make a movie, and only two hours to show it":
http://www.kodak.com/go/screencheck

We all work in "Show Business" and as we all know "There's no business like Show Business".

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Ethan Harper
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 - posted 05-16-2000 10:19 PM      Profile for Ethan Harper   Email Ethan Harper   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
i agree with brad on that last one. who wants to pay twice the money for at least a minimum of two proj. istead of just one. god forbid you are not counting how many reels do you plan on buying? i use a total of a about 6 6k reels and these are only used when movies come in all tails up. henceforth less used better con. if you wanted to buy 2 6k for 30 proj. hmmmmm thats that is 60 reels. ten times as much as what i own.
two i use to work for cinemark tinseltown twenty. I know the types of people they hire to run a booth. lets take a thur for instance.(changeover nights) one time a person i knew had two mispliced trailers and three backwards. easy fix. pull out trailers and replace. trailer changes are also more convenient seeing as that they occur more often in a thirty plex because you simply have more theaters to chang. what are you going to do? rewind each 6k till you hit trailers then rewind to trailer that is to be removed then change it? i can change a trailer in 2min.

next lets look at moving prints. this too will occur more often in a 30-plex including screenings. changeovers. theater percentages, etc. I just put on a couple of clamps pick up the print and go on my happy little way. it seems to me that it would be more of a hassle to move two seperate 6k reels to another proj.(more trips involved here) god forbid yo are moving them from one wing to completely the other side of the theater.

like i said earlier i know the types of people that are tolerated to be in the booth. like bradd said earlier, once it is on the platter it is there. and will run through the right order each time. most people are smart enough to start the wrong proj. especially on a day that you are just plain thinking bacwards. or i have also seen enough times of people deciding to thread soundline backwards how easy is it to change once it is going?


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Kyle Smith
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I want to apologize to you Chris and all the other "youngsters" for what wasn't meant as a stereotype at all. Age surely has nothing to do with it. It's just that the young people I work with in a 12-plex are of the "it's just another job" mindset. I have personally yet to witness one of them who cared anything like the people on this forum. They're offered to learn new things and they have no interest. Shoot, we all probably made a mistake or two when we started in this field. I threaded a movie backwards (soundtrack in, not out) on my second shift and watched the old Hoyt's logo appear horizontally flipped! Yes, I used to work for Hoyt's (another theater since closed down) and I know there are some good managers in the company. I've always gotten along with Ed Marcolini. It's just that one particular theater seemed disrespectful to their employees. There were a few "cool" supervisors. But charging $8.00 a ticket and only paying $6.50 an hour for running 12 Christies AND doing the checks, etc. seemed degrading for a position which once, under union (Hoyt's is non-union, at least where I've been) and licensing, paid $10.00 plus/hr. for only two projectors or so. Peace?

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Chris Rhode
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Kyle I know exactly where you are coming from. The theater where I work at has the same problem. We were trying to get some fresh faces in projection (as per managers request... they want people cross-trained.) One of the "kids" drew 2 BIG red circles on a platter while it was spinning with his red sharpie marker. When confronted he said, "I didn't draw any red circles." I said, "You were the only one up there with a red marker," to which he replied, "oh. Those red circles, those were an accident." AN ACCIDENT?!? HOW CAN YOU TAKE A RED MARKER AND DRAW 2 BIG RED CIRCLES ON THE PLATTER ON ACCIDENT?!! He was 16 or 17 so that was a contributing factor. We no longer take people who are under 18 up there. It is the fact that the people just treat this job as getting more money than people who work down stairs. We make 6.50 as well (I make 6.75 because I am the supervisor.) The chain that I work for just pisses me off in general (I work for a chain that begins with the first letter of the alphabet.) I was thinking about going to muvico, but I am not sure. Does anybody out there know anything about them??

Kyle, just hang in there. Sooner or later you will run into someone who actually gives a crap about the job. I have one person in mind at my theater but we can't put him up in projection because we can't afford it.

Thank you for letting me whine.

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