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Carl King
Expert Film Handler

Posts: 199
From: Saint John, New Brunswick, Canada
Registered: Mar 2000


 - posted 05-25-2000 10:16 PM      Profile for Carl King   Email Carl King   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
John Pytlak.. you are singing my song. I, too, used to save carbon dripping for Will Rogers. I started in an old Odeon house with Century CC projectors..Peerless lamphouses and all that great old stuff. I wouldn't want to go back either but it sure was fun.

By the way, great columns in Film Notes for Reel People.

John Pytlak
Film God

Posts: 9987
From: Rochester, NY 14650-1922
Registered: Jan 2000


 - posted 05-26-2000 05:35 AM      Profile for John Pytlak   Author's Homepage   Email John Pytlak   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Carl: Thanks for the kind words. Nice to know someone is reading my ramblings. As you know, Brad has most of the back issues of FNRP in the "Manuals" section of Film-Tech. The Kodak website also has the last few years on-line:
http://www.kodak.com/US/en/motion/newsletters/reel

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John P. Pytlak, Senior Technical Specialist
Worldwide Technical Services, Entertainment Imaging
Eastman Kodak Company
Research Labs, Building 69, Room 7419
Rochester, New York, 14650-1922 USA
Tel: 716-477-5325 Fax: 716-722-7243
E-Mail: john.pytlak@kodak.com

Tim Reed
Better Projection Pays

Posts: 5246
From: Northampton, PA
Registered: Sep 1999


 - posted 05-27-2000 11:14 AM      Profile for Tim Reed   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
>>Showing films using 1000-foot reels.
"Carbon Savers".
Silver "jaws".
Collecting copper drippings for Will Rogers.
Projectors with doors and film magazines.
Fire shutters.
Nitrate film. (Acetate film).
Cement splices.
Phototubes instead of solar cells or CCDs.
Vacuum tubes instead of solid state.
Motor-Generators, ballasts, and mercury vapor rectifiers.<<

John.. <snnniff!>, you're bringing tears to my eyes. And yes, I WOULD want to go back to those days, when it was a CRAFT! Just pick me up, and set me down somewhere in the middle of 1948!! I'll take it from there.

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Better Projection Pays!

Mark Gulbrandsen
Resident Trollmaster

Posts: 16657
From: Music City
Registered: Jun 99


 - posted 05-27-2000 12:24 PM      Profile for Mark Gulbrandsen   Email Mark Gulbrandsen   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Tim, I think you mean split phototube like they used to use for push pull tracks. They would work fine for stereo today!
Mark

Christopher K. Williams
Film Handler

Posts: 26
From: Redmond, WA, USA
Registered: Apr 2000


 - posted 05-27-2000 02:52 PM      Profile for Christopher K. Williams   Email Christopher K. Williams   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
In my region, terminology seems to differ between chains, and even individual theaters. Moreover, our terms don’t always follow set pattern. For example,

At my theater, we BUILD film using the MAKE-UP TABLE, but never say we MAKE UP a film, for some odd reason. At the end of its run, we BREAKDOWN film, but one of our managers (who came here from another theater) calls it TEARING DOWN.

My friend at another theater puts a trailer PACKAGE before the first reel of the feature, but I call it a trailer SET.

We sometimes say we THREAD a PROJECTOR, or LOAD a MACHINE, depending on the mood of the day, but I have never heard the term LACE before today.

Just last week, I called another theater of a different chain in our town, to find out when we could pick up a ROLL-OFF (used print) we were getting from them. I asked her when that movie DROPS (meaning: when does it finish playing); she kindly informed me that it “TAILED OUT” at 11:30 (I had never heard the term “tail out” before).

The film at our theater plays out of a CENTER-FEED MECHANISM, and NEVER out of a BRAIN. That is how I was trained (by a union projectionist), and we have carried on that tradition at our theater, but others in our chain use the “B” word. If, heaven forbid, we have a wrap, it’s called a CENTER-FEED WRAP.

Also, our concessions stand sells POP, not SODA, though I sometimes use another more vulgar term for it.

Chris


Steve Guttag
We forgot the crackers Gromit!!!

Posts: 12814
From: Annapolis, MD
Registered: Dec 1999


 - posted 05-27-2000 03:16 PM      Profile for Steve Guttag   Email Steve Guttag   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
My favorites, normally spoken by unknowing electricians on an install are:

"Wow that is a pretty big tape in that camera" "Is that the sheet down there?"

I have used the term lace, thread and load depending on mood and sentence. As in, time to lace-up or load the projector or gotta go thread.

The first term I had for the payout device in a platter was "center-feed" and it has pretty much stuck and is popular in these parts. The other term used is "core" as in "core-wrap" Personally, I don't like the term "brains" for the device because it isn't really accurate but it is the most common I have heard on a nationwide basis. Platters don't have brains but operators/projectionists should.

Now that summer is upon us...here is a term that seems to have some varients as well...the process of running one film in two or more screens (platter operation)...

It was most commonly called Tandem in the DC area back when a twin was considered a multi-plex. Some like to call it "interlock" but that often referrs to running unmarried or "two-strip" prints. It also implies that the two machines have some form or mechanical or electrical connection so they are interlocked together (like a dubber with selsen or bi-phase encoder). The last term I have heard is "Sync".

I'm sure you all have heard others.

Steve

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"Old projectionists never die, they just changeover!"

Gordon McLeod
Film God

Posts: 9532
From: Toronto Ontario Canada
Registered: Jun 99


 - posted 05-27-2000 04:23 PM      Profile for Gordon McLeod   Email Gordon McLeod   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
In canada we call interlock operation YoYo a print since most of the acumultors ride up and down like a yo yo

Scott D. Neff
Theatre Dork

Posts: 919
From: San Francisco, CA
Registered: Oct 1999


 - posted 05-28-2000 05:59 AM      Profile for Scott D. Neff   Author's Homepage   Email Scott D. Neff   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
That reminds me of a few more Christopher.

Out here in California - apparently what you call a ROLL-OFF print... we call a CICUITED print. And we're big fans of TAILING OUT as well. Although I'll usually just tell anybody who asks that the "SHOW IS OVER AT"

I've lately been driven nuts by the previous theatre manager's legacy of "LIFTING" movies from platter to platter. The rest of my projection staff "LIFTS" while I "SCOOP" or "MOVE" the print. Oddly enough they use "LIFTERS" to "LIFT" that print, while I use "CLAMPS"

Am I the only one compulsive enough to ACTUALLY be annoyed by these differences???

Aaron Sisemore
Flaming Ribs beat Reeses Peanut Butter Cups any day!

Posts: 3061
From: Rockwall TX USA
Registered: Sep 1999


 - posted 05-28-2000 12:03 PM      Profile for Aaron Sisemore   Email Aaron Sisemore   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
or instead of circuiting a print, there was the term 'bicycling' the print, back from when theatres would actually have a bicycle messenger move the reels from venue to venue, sometimes swapping reels as two theatres are playing the same film simultaneously!!

when a film reaches its end, it is 'tailing out'

when a film has already tailed out and is inbetween shows but not threaded, it is 'dead'

I 'clamp and move' a print

I 'circuit' a print, sometimes on 'sixes', as the chain management won't allow circuiting a print 'on the ring' anymore

The trailers on a print are a 'trailer pack'

I 'build' and 'break' prints

I do cueing and trailer pack work 'on the [rewind] bench' rather than at the 'make-up table'

The units on the rewind bench are 'rewinds', the Goldberg device that looks like a camera magazine is a 'rewinder'

I 'thread' a projector or platter, and during my early years with platters, called the thing in the center the 'centerpiece' (christie's official name for it) but now always call it the 'brain' (less syllables than 'centerpiece' i figure)

The take-up controller on Norelco and Christie platters is a 'swing arm' and on Potts, Strong, and CFS platters, its a 'Dancer'...

i could go on.......

Aaron

Richard C. Wolfe
Master Film Handler

Posts: 250
From: Northampton, PA, USA
Registered: Apr 2000


 - posted 05-28-2000 11:23 PM      Profile for Richard C. Wolfe   Author's Homepage   Email Richard C. Wolfe   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Here in eastern Pa. I was taught to lace a film...that was back in the middle sixties, and that was from projectionists that had been around since the twenties. I however, do not use that term...I thread the machines. In my booth, we have both a rewind table with a rewinder, and a makeup table as well. the rewind table is seldom used...only when the makeup table doesn't work. We "make up" shows, and "teardown" at the end of the run.

People often ask me if they can see the cameras, and I tell them we have none...and they say "Oh my god, how do you show the movie then"? And I say...Do you show a picture with your camera?...we use projectors!

We run reel to reel on 6000' reels with automated changeovers, therefore the only brain in our booth is mine (and that breaks down sometimes as well). Back when I had my apprenticeship...we ran the film on the picture sheet, but today it's on the screen. We would "warm" the procenium curtain with the built in floods on the balcony front. Those floods were referred to as curtain warmers. Also if the show concisted of all parts of the program...cartoon, newsreel, travelogue, short, trailer(s) and the Feature it was a Deluxe show, while some late afternoon shows skiped some of those elements and they were therefore Non-Deluxe shows. Or if there was a stage show with the film...that was a Deluxe show, while those without the live acts were Non-deluxe. Today we still use that term to designate the difference between weekday shows when only 2/3 of the houselights are used, and weekend and holiday shows when all stage and houselights are used. Every fixture is lit for every show, but on non-deluxe shows...only 2/3 of the circuits are turned on in most of the fixtures.

Thinking about all this is really starting to make me feel old!

Bill Purdy
Expert Film Handler

Posts: 139
From: Seattle, WA
Registered: Oct 1999


 - posted 05-29-2000 11:00 AM      Profile for Bill Purdy   Author's Homepage   Email Bill Purdy   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
The discussion above on moving prints puts me in mind of a fine old-line projectionist, one Kenny Dowling, who has become a Seattle legend amongst the old timers. When platters came into the twin at which he was working he bid out of there because he was bored. He went to a 7-plex which was really a 6-plex grated onto an old large single. It was great fun to visit him during the last show on Thursday nights when he was doing all of this print moving---at 24 frames per second. The ceiling of the booth was a forest of rollers and as he had all Christie platters he would just come out of the projector to the ceiling rollers and down the booth to tomorrow's platter for take-up. It was a great show.

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Bill Purdy
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