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Topic: Film Guard is made of .......?
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Bruce McGee
Phenomenal Film Handler
Posts: 1776
From: Asheville, NC USA... Nowhere in Particular.
Registered: Aug 1999
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posted 06-12-2000 11:08 AM
John:Since I have less than a gallon of Vitafilm now, I had to go smell it and see... After I woke up  , I think we are talking about another cleaner. Vitafilm has a sickly sweet smell. I know they no longer make it, and I am saving it for some old warped Kodak, and DuPont stock that soak in it before I run them. I'm kinda leery about putting FG on a previously Vitafilmed print. I am very glad that FG does not mess with tape splices, like Vitafilm does. Does anybody know (John) if FG will react to any other cleaners? The only prints that have FG here are ones that have had no other cleaners before them. (IE: Vitafilm)
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John Pytlak
Film God
Posts: 9987
From: Rochester, NY 14650-1922
Registered: Jan 2000
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posted 06-12-2000 01:01 PM
Bruce:That "sickly sweet" smell may be methyl chloroform (1,1,1-trichloroethane), or an organic ester solvent (not to be confused with ESTAR film base). ------------------
John P. Pytlak, Senior Technical Specialist
Worldwide Technical Services, Entertainment Imaging
Eastman Kodak Company
Research Labs, Building 69, Room 7419
Rochester, New York, 14650-1922 USA
Tel: 716-477-5325 Fax: 716-722-7243
E-Mail: john.pytlak@kodak.com
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Randy Stankey
Film God
Posts: 6539
From: Erie, Pennsylvania
Registered: Jun 99
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posted 06-13-2000 11:08 AM
I've talked about what's in FilmGuard with several people. We've come up with some pretty good inferences as to what's in it. I've even heard stories about certain people who have analyzed it. The results of those tests are pretty much in line with what we all thought.Who gives a flying frog-leap!!! The sh** WORKS!!! Some guy spent a lot of time and energy putting his knowledge and resources into developing a product. I respect that and I'm leaving it at that. I've had ideas that ran along the lines of what FilmGuard does but I don't have the resources to put them into action. Besides, even if I did, Brad would have beat me hands down. I'm just glad that SOMEBODY did it! If you want the safety info get the MSDS. I have one and I'll summarize it:
Don't drink it.
Don't breathe it.
Don't light it on fire.
Don't get it in your eyes, etc.
If you get it on you, wash it off.
If you spill it, wipe it up.
If you think it's making you sick, go see a doctor.
Just use it according to the directions and you'll be okay.
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John Pytlak
Film God
Posts: 9987
From: Rochester, NY 14650-1922
Registered: Jan 2000
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posted 06-15-2000 06:32 AM
Many fast-evaporating, non-flammable, film treatments used methyl chloroform (1,1,1-trichloroethane) as the solvent. It was also widely used for industrial operations like metal degreasing. Like FREON (CFC-12), this solvent is no longer manufactured because it is believed to harm the ozone layer (Montreal Protocol). Existing supplies may continue to be used, and recycled/reused, but no new material is being made. Dwindling supplies and significantly increased costs have caused film cleaner manufacturers to use alternative solvents that may be more hazardous, more flammable, evaporate more slowly, or cost much more.Aaron is correct that ANY solvent should be handled in a way to minimize personal exposure (chemical-resistant gloves, good ventilation), and in accord with the manufacturer's instructions and MSDS (Material Safety Data Sheet). ------------------
John P. Pytlak, Senior Technical Specialist
Worldwide Technical Services, Entertainment Imaging
Eastman Kodak Company
Research Labs, Building 69, Room 7419
Rochester, New York, 14650-1922 USA
Tel: 716-477-5325 Fax: 716-722-7243
E-Mail: john.pytlak@kodak.com
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John Walsh
Film God
Posts: 2490
From: Connecticut, USA, Earth, Milky Way
Registered: Oct 1999
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posted 06-15-2000 08:47 AM
Joe wrote: "I thought Xekote was pulled because the product sucked."I laughed out loud when I read this! Don't suger-coat it, tell us what you really think! I did find that Xekote was helpful to keep down shedding on B&W prints, but didn't use it otherwise. Personally, I feel that the whole ozone layer thing is unresolved. For every report saying the ozone layer has been depleted, I've seen another saying it's a cycle the earth goes through and is normal. In the meantime, we replace safer products (like Freon) with a refrigerant that is toxic. In the long run, which is really safer?
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Oscar Neundorfer
Master Film Handler
Posts: 275
From: Senoia, GA
Registered: May 2000
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posted 06-15-2000 10:05 AM
John Walsh wrote:
>>In the meantime, we replace safer products (like Freon) with a refrigerant that is toxic. In the long run, which is really safer?<<IMHO, this has nothing to do with safety and ozone and such. It is all about politics, and patents, and money. When your patent runs out, get the government to outlaw the product, and then come to the rescue with a new (and yes, patented) product. At least that is what I have heard. I am willing to stand corrected if this is not really the case, and my apologies to DuPont if I am wrong. Somebody tell me if this is correct or not! End of rant!
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Oscar Neundorfer
Chief Engineer
SMART Devices, Inc. oscar@smartdev.com
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