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Ken Layton
Phenomenal Film Handler

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From: Olympia, Wash. USA
Registered: Sep 1999


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I love carbon arc! I always liked "tinkering" and making them just right!
Carbon arc light makes the color (and picture) just seem to jump out at you. Run a cartoon on carbon arc and then run that same cartoon on xenon and you'll see a difference. Carbon arc is BETTER!

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Robert Throop
Master Film Handler

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From: Vernon, NY USA
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A couple of years ago a local performing arts center decided to start showing films again after a 20 year hiatus. The manager remarked that he wished they could afford xenon. My reply? "We don't need no steenking xenon".

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Gordon McLeod
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Carl I have fought long and hard to keep the carbon arc questions on the projectionist license exams in ontario since we actually still have a lot of them
Several review room I deal with specify carbon arc for dailies as well

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Dave Bird
Jedi Master Film Handler

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From: Perth, Ontario, Canada
Registered: Jun 2000


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For those scoring at home, this seems to be about even at the moment. I have it about 4 to 4 for and against (though I'm not sure where to put the "carbon hot dogs" reply).
Suppose that depends on how tasty they were!

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Scott Norwood
Film God

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From: Boston, MA. USA (1774.21 miles northeast of Dallas)
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The Massachusetts projectionist license exam still has a couple of carbon-arc questions. One of them is something like this: true/false--when carbons are burning in a lamphouse, the distance between the positive and negative tips is maintained by an automatic feed.

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Daryl Lund
Film Handler

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From: Chehalis,WA, USA
Registered: Feb 2000


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carbons worked good to light your cigarettes

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Dave Cutler
Master Film Handler

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From: Centennial, CO
Registered: Jun 2000


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A couple of people have mentioned projectionist license exam's. I know I am probably a lot newer than many of you, but I have never heard of such a thing where i'm at. I have only been in the business for just over 5 years, but still I would have thought I would have heard of such a thing. Does anyone know of one around Kansas City, hell I would even travel for a test like that.

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Dave Cutler
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Booth Manager at a 24-plex
Kansas City, MO

"Do or do not, there is no try."

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John Pytlak
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From: Rochester, NY 14650-1922
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Heating food in a carbon arc lamphouse might have been convenient, but I worry about the long-term health effects. Issue #10 of the National Projector Carbon bulletin gave the ingredients in arc carbons:

"In general, their principal ingredients are: petroleum coke derived from the refining process, lamp black, graphite, and rare-earth compounds that provide the special qualities of the light. Pitch materials are used to bond the particles together."

Those proprietary "rare-earth compounds" probably included several "heavy metal" chemicals. Carbons come from a day when lead paint, mercury thermometers, arsenic insecticide, DDT, and asbestos insulation were considered safe.

If you use carbon arcs, be sure you have the proper ventilation, use a respirator when cleaning the ash, and NEVER cook or heat food in the lamphouse.

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John P. Pytlak, Senior Technical Specialist
Worldwide Technical Services, Entertainment Imaging
Eastman Kodak Company
Research Labs, Building 69, Room 7419
Rochester, New York, 14650-1922 USA
Tel: 716-477-5325 Fax: 716-722-7243
E-Mail: john.pytlak@kodak.com


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Dave Bird
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Don't you all miss the days when 4 out of 5 doctor's smoked menthols and fried food was "healthful"? Speaking of asbestos though, I was wondering what the old braided white electrical wire insulator was made of???

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John Pytlak
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Dave:

The white, fiberous insulation used on wires exposed to heat was often asbestos. Likewise, the gray-colored material used on heat baffles and dowsers often contained asbestos.

Asbestos left by itself is usually not a hazard. Breathing the airborne particles is hazardous. Disposal of asbestos-containing equipment and materials must be done properly, and is often regulated. How many old theatres still have asbestos curtains?

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John P. Pytlak, Senior Technical Specialist
Worldwide Technical Services, Entertainment Imaging
Eastman Kodak Company
Research Labs, Building 69, Room 7419
Rochester, New York, 14650-1922 USA
Tel: 716-477-5325 Fax: 716-722-7243
E-Mail: john.pytlak@kodak.com

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John Walsh
Film God

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From: Connecticut, USA, Earth, Milky Way
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John P. wrote:
"If you use carbon arcs, be sure you have the proper ventilation, use a respirator when cleaning the ash, and NEVER cook or heat food in the lamphouse."

Uh-oh. I failed two of the three above...!

Regarding Dave C. question;

Obviously, in the nitrate days there had to be some testing to insure projectionists knew what they were doing. Even after safety film was introduced, there was still the possibility of getting an older nitrate print. But after many years, most every nitrate print had been "purged" from theaters and film exchanges. (Now, in Connecticut, you can't run nitrate even if the booth was equipped to run it.) Also, xenon lamps and automation further reduced the need for "real" projectionists. And with theaters struggling to survive, any labor cost reduction (regardless of how it is done) is perceived as "a good thing." Which not only pushes legislation their way, but also encourages equipment manufacturers to provide even more automated features. (Did you ever think 20 years ago that anyone would want an ethernet network connection to a sound processor!?)

Connecticut has just stopped requiring projectionist licenses. The test had become a joke, anyway, with only 10 true/false lame questions.

When I took it, there were 100 questions; 90 multiple choice, 10 "write-in." Then a guy went with you to a booth and would create violations, and you would have to find them before 'starting' (the theater would not really be open.) Sometimes, he would 'psych' you out by doing nothing. There were 'carbon arc' licensees and 'xenon' licensees (a xenon license meant you couldn't work in a carbon arc booth.)

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John Pytlak
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John Walsh said:

"If you use carbon arcs, be sure you have the proper ventilation, use a respirator when cleaning the ash, and
NEVER cook or heat food in the lamphouse."

Uh-oh. I failed two of the three above...!

So, which one did you pass? Answer quickly, the ambulance is coming for you.

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John P. Pytlak, Senior Technical Specialist
Worldwide Technical Services, Entertainment Imaging
Eastman Kodak Company
Research Labs, Building 69, Room 7419
Rochester, New York, 14650-1922 USA
Tel: 716-477-5325 Fax: 716-722-7243
E-Mail: john.pytlak@kodak.com

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Scott Norwood
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The Massachusetts license is more or less a joke. It's a 50 question true/false exam, covering common sense and nitrate-era laws. It's administered by the Department of Public Safety and seems to serve mostly as a method for revenue generation for the state (er, Commonwealth).

The test itself is pretty straightforward (but has a number of spelling and grammatical errors). Stuff like fire extinguishers, the purpose of a rectifier, the maximum legal allowable temperature at the film gate, the amount of flammable liquids that may be legally kept in a booth, etc. Basically, anyone who has any degree of common sense and who has seen the inside of a projection booth and pays $50 to the state can pass it.

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David Johnson
Film Handler

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From: Melbourne Vict Australia
Registered: Oct 1999


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It has been mentioned that non copper coated carbons were availiable in dia less than 11mm What lamphouses used them? all lamphouses that I have seen that used 10mm or smaller had a V rest, clearly the non coated carbons could not work here.
David

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Bill Purdy
Expert Film Handler

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From: Seattle, WA
Registered: Oct 1999


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The first arc lamp I ever used was a small Strong Low Intensity lamp powered by a pair of Tungar bulbs and if I remember correctly they were about a 6 and 7mm trim without the copper cladding. It was a protable system without much light, but what the hell, it was a Movie!

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