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Tom Ferreira
Expert Film Handler

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From: Conway, NH, USA
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 - posted 07-06-2000 08:02 AM      Profile for Tom Ferreira   Email Tom Ferreira   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
It would be helpful if there were some kind of frame line at the end of trailers. It's kind of tough relying on guesswork in dim light to figure out where the frame lines are. Is this too difficult of a request? The studios seem to have no problem requesting trailer placement.
Speaking of green band, what's the deal with the Space Cowboys trailer that came with Perfect Storm? It seems to be grey band, going into black and white at the beginning of the trailer.

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Dustin Mitchell
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Tom, all the trialers I get have framemarks os some sort at the end. Wether its the 4 little circles (one for each perf), the white side marks (I think you're supposed to cut these off, I cut them like Brad does), or sometimes (on Disney trailers I've noticed this) its an orange coloered frame. Cut the trailers just before these marks and you'll have the perfect amount of black.

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Paul Konen
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 - posted 07-06-2000 08:43 AM      Profile for Paul Konen   Email Paul Konen   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
It seems that there are three kinds of references that I use when cutting the end of the trailer.

1. |oooo| 4 circles at the tail. I usually cut right before the 4 circles start.

2. ^----^----^ Usually about 6-8 frames of notches with the white bar on the side. Cut before the start of this sequence.

3. Tail with varying, but frame(s) length brown. Find a single frame of brown or clear, cut it, then if you have a neumade splicer, just turn it around in the splicer and place almost a entire length in the splicer and cut, a perfect 8 frame cut.

I do this to preserve as much black leader at the tail as possible so that the transition is smooth. I can't stand sloppy work with ads or anything that people can't take the time to preserve black. They find the first visible frame and cut it.

Sorry for 2 sentence rant.

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John Pytlak
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 - posted 07-06-2000 11:00 AM      Profile for John Pytlak   Author's Homepage   Email John Pytlak   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Is there any pattern to the type of head and tail leader attached to trailers, either by distributor, laboratory, or trailer vendor? Many different labs print trailers, and their practices may vary, including the type and length of leader they attach to the negative for printing. Leader type may also be specified by the company producing the trailers.

For trailers not attached to features, how do you prefer to receive them?:

Heads or tails out?
Emulsion-in or emulsion-out?
No core, small 1-inch (25 mm) core, larger core?
Packaging? (loose, bags, boxes, cans)
Length of head leader?
Length of tail leader?
Leader type? (all black, framelines, "oooo" circles, clear)
Identification?
Other "wants"?

"Standardization" of trailers will be difficult, but there is a precedent in the work being done by the TASA committee regarding trailer sound levels.

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Dave Cutler
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 - posted 07-06-2000 11:09 AM      Profile for Dave Cutler   Email Dave Cutler   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
How's this for pathetic. Currently I have on Perfect Storm...

NCN - Shell, Air Force and Nike
Movietickets.com ad
Coke ad
Preview Snipe
7 trailers!! (I hate that, 4 is plenty)
Silence is Golden Snipe
Feature Presentation Snipe

All in all it's almost 20 minutes, it makes me sick.

In my opinion there should be 4 trailers and only 4 trailers. No more, no less. NO ADVERTISEMENTS, my screen is not a big TV. If people wanted to see commercials they would have stayed at home.

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Dave Cutler
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 - posted 07-06-2000 11:23 AM      Profile for Dave Cutler   Email Dave Cutler   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
John,

I have found that trailers of the same company will be pretty similar to each other except for headup and tailup.

IMHO, trailers should ship as follows...

1. Heads UP
2. Emulsion? Not a big deal with me. Out I guess since that's how my prints sit.
3. Small cores are just fine. Again not a big deal
4. Packaging is a null point as well (to me)
5. No more than 5 feet of head or tail. Why do we need a countdown on a trailer?
6. Clear leader with a clearly marked frame line to cut by. Not a hazy line but a well defined solid line.
7. Identification - I like that some studios have a 'personal' label, easier to tell them apart. But give me the company, title, aspect, version and sound formats on the label, and on the head. Why do I need a short description and who stars in it?
8. Shipped with a nice bow attatched would be great.

If only we could get a standard that all labs followed, man would I be in heaven. Sometimes in a hurry I will grab a used trailer just because I know that it is heads up with the emulsion out, everytime, no hassel.


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Scott Norwood
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I'd be delighted to see some standardization with respect to trailer shipment. It would very helpful if all (or nearly all) new trailers were shipped in some consistant way; this would save quite a bit of time and grief while making up trailer reels.

My own preferences: heads out-emulsion out, large core (2" at least, 3" or 4" preferred, though it's not going to happen...), packaging-not a big deal, as long as the film is tightly wound and the core is solid, full countdown on head leader (very useful for reel-to-reel houses), at least 2-3 feet of tail leader with framelines, readable labels with title of film/format/release date/runtime/distributor and good handwritten identification printed on the film itself.

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Jason R. Weinsteiger
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What we do in our theater is start the trailers early so that the feature starts on time. For instance, if we have 8 minutes of trailers on out 7PM show, we'll start it at 6:52 so that the feature goes on exactly at 7PM. Does anyone else do this?

jasoN

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Brad Miller
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Minimum 3 feet of pure BLACK (not this "almost black" nonsense) before the green band AND after the final "coming soon" tag.

Should have framelines on the black.

Should be NO defects on the analog track during the black.

Fade ups mandatory for all green bands.

None of this nonsense on matted trailers where you can see the difference in black shading in advance of the trailer starting, identifying that the trailer to follow will be matted.

NO useless "tv" cue marks in the black!!!

Always, no matter what, heads up/emulsion out. Tails up forces a rewind and emulsion in does not run steadily for a day or two.

I can live with the current small cores *if* they are shipped in padded envelopes/boxes. Let's get rid of the "trailer baggie" please.

Big rant time on attached trailers to follow:

On attached trailers, there should be a minimum of 6 feet of pure black (no defects in soundtrack) between the trailer and start of the feature. Let's get rid of this practice where the sound for the feature starts in the end of the attached trailer. Whenever I see that, it means I must chop the fade out of the attached trailer to prevent the start of the feature's soundtrack from playing (we MUST insert our policy trailer there) so the trailers absolutely positively go IN THE TRASH when that happens! If I've got another copy of that trailer on the shelf, I'll play that one. If I don't, then forget it...I'll play something else. I'm not going to lower my presentation just because the studios think they are creating a forced method to prevent people from cutting off their attached trailers.

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Ethan Harper
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ahhh! I didnt get a chance to answer the questions from earlier.

I too leave all of my greenbands on. I too like to show off my steady and clean picture. lets just face it. its just more professional. I use to work at a cinemark 20-plex and we were forced to cut off all green bands and i just always found it so cheesy. oh yeah they alo didnt cover the trailer back up with an leader of any sort, they just rewound it and put a piece of draft tape to hole the heads on the trailer and label it with. making the heads and tails extremely dirty.

I hate those stupid trailers that leave about 5 frames of black right at the credits. and i also hate the ones that have that noise at the tails so you hear this nice hum between trailers (in digital) but if you cut too much off then you lose a lot of film. that sux.

Has anyone ever had a mislabeled trailer from the studios before?

my preferences...

3 ft of pure black (this means no light shining through) on heads and tails with frame lines. I cant stand it when there arent any whatsoever. ie disney. no writing in the analog trax when there is still sound.

heads up, emulsion out.

oh yeah on the blackleader, make sure that there is no defects. I cant stand it when i can see white specks btween trailers or even disloration between to diffent black leaders on two different trailers.

leave enough room so you cna play the full trailer with sound and the intro to the movie with all of the sound with neither of the two clashing into each other. do they not know that some theaters play policy trailers if not that then digital trailers?

The small cores will do but, they sometimes are not durable enough through the handling. i have recieved some before where the cores have cracked.

i like boxes but the padded baggies work. (except when you try and open them barehanded to show off your strength)

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Dustin Mitchell
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Tails out. Reason being is when I build the trailer reeel I do it last trailer to leader. That way its already heads up, no need for rewinding before putting it on the platter.

Emulsion out of course.

Always have a core. Small or large doesn't matter to me.

I like the new way Fox and Screenvision are sending out their trailers (boxes). The padded pouch is fine too though. The UPS bags are unacceptable though.

Since I run platters I really only need enough heads and tail to wrap around the trailers twice.

No preference on leader type. I do prefer the oooo and ^----^ over the Disney way though.

The trailer should identify aspect ratio. I like the ones that are green for flat and yellow for scope. You can tell at a glance what you got. Also, studio name, feature title (duh), green or red band, rating (if its been rated yet), targeted demographic (ie kiddie, adolescent, college, etc.), and category (ie comedy, drama, action, etc. This should all be printed on the label of the trailer.

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Tom Ferreira
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I much prefer a heads up trailer on the larger core, but it usually doesn't end up that way. I too have never understood why Fox feels the need to put a synopsis on their trailer bands-just the title would be fine.
One thing that's been bugging me for a long time-why does Warner Bros. feel the need to put so much black in between their attached trailers and the start of the feature? A few seconds is OK, but it seems like sometimes there's about fifteen seconds of black.
Another thing that really puzzles me is the current trend of studios to enclose every other studio's trailers loose in the can with no regards to genre or appropriateness. At one time, the only trailers enclosed with a print were from the same studio for their upcoming releases. Why would they want to advertise the competetion? It's like NBC buying commercial time on ABC. I smell a conspiracy....

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Mike Blakesley
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Tom F.:

The reason for the "gray band" on the Space Cowboys trailer is, the beginning of the trailer is in Black-&-White. Any B&W trailers will always have the gray band. They're using it as an attention getting device.


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Bob Peticolas
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I always cut the green bands off. They are just redundant. I only run two trailers (or ab most three) before a feature. We provide a calendar flyer at the boxoffice (and by mail to our regular patrons) that describes each feature that is upcomming for the next two months. If anyone is worred about a feature, they can read all about it. (Also on our web site.)

The trailer is to give the patrons a sense of the look and feel of a feature so that they can decide for themselves if they want to see it. I don't feel that we need a "band" on the trailer to decide for them.

I'll also second the comments about frame lines on the black before and after the trailer. What's so hard about printing frame lines? For platter houses, countdowns are useless, yet they still get printed (although I've seen some that start at "3"), why not frame lines?


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John Wilson
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I prefer mine tails out as I prep all my trailers before they make it to the storage shelf. That way, when I'm busy building a trailer reel, it's already cut in frame and start out for the platter.

Is there any way of identifying where the buzz in the dolby digital track is? If not, that would be my wish Mr. Pytlak.

Those white lines on the side really are annoying. We had Fox tags on features with audio for the fanfare starting in the white lined area. Result? Bye Bye Fox Tag...

They must have woken up to that one though as I've not seen it recently...


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