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Paul Cunningham
Expert Film Handler

Posts: 146
From: Melbourne, Australia
Registered: Jun 2000

posted 07-20-2000 08:57 AM

The Val Morgan Olympic advertising is starting to wear thin with me, if it was so good to be sponsoring the Olympics then why has it taken 100 years for a cinema advertising company to do it, why hasn't anyone done it before?

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Mike Blakesley
Film God

Posts: 12767
From: Forsyth, Montana
Registered: Jun 99

posted 07-20-2000 10:30 AM

I had that "repeating scene" problem with "The World Is Not Enough." I forget the reel number, but about 90 seconds was repeated. The extra footage was spliced in, not printed in.

Is this a Technicolor problem or what? Or are projectionists splicing the film in the wrong place, and then mixing the reels up?

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John Pytlak
Film God

Posts: 9987
From: Rochester, NY 14650-1922
Registered: Jan 2000

posted 07-20-2000 01:50 PM

Joe Pandolfi wrote: "By the way whatever happened to those huge 6000' blue plastic reels WB would send out?"

The Extended Length Reels (ELR) were supported mainly by Warner Bros. and New Line. ETS depots have the equipment for handling and storing the larger reels and cases. The May 1997 issue of Boxoffice had an article about the ELR project:
http://boxoff.com/may97story2.html

Unfortunately, momentum for the conversion to ELR has been lost, due to the retirement of Barry Reardon of WB, and the untimely death of Al Shapiro of New Line. Barry and Al had the vision to see the advantages of ELR, despite some initial design problems, and led the industry support. Hopefully, other distribution leaders will get this project moving again.

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John P. Pytlak, Senior Technical Specialist
Worldwide Technical Services, Entertainment Imaging
Eastman Kodak Company
Research Labs, Building 69, Room 7419
Rochester, New York, 14650-1922 USA
Tel: 716-477-5325 Fax: 716-722-7243
E-Mail: john.pytlak@kodak.com

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Dave Cutler
Master Film Handler

Posts: 277
From: Centennial, CO
Registered: Jun 2000

posted 07-20-2000 02:10 PM

I didn't really like the 6000' reel that Warner was sending out. Why? You still had lab splices, and lab splices means possible discoloration among other problems. I also thought it was silly that they were still printing the reel change marks as if they were on 2000' reels.

My question is, if Kodak sells film in 6000' reels and Warner was having prints shipped on 6000' reels why were there any splices at all? In the cases were there was extra film, just use it for trailers.

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Scott Norwood
Film God

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From: Boston, MA. USA (1774.21 miles northeast of Dallas)
Registered: Jun 99

posted 07-20-2000 02:20 PM

Dave - if I remember correctly, prints that were distributed on ELRs were actually printed in the same way as normal prints, but were spliced together either at the lab or the depot and the extra leaders were discarded, hence the splices and cue marks at the normal reel breaks.

I've never actually had to deal with ELRs, since they were apparently used only for a few mainstream releases and I've spent most of my time in theatres at art houses. Maybe I'm lucky, if the reports of the ELR implementation diasasters are correct.

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John Pytlak
Film God

Posts: 9987
From: Rochester, NY 14650-1922
Registered: Jan 2000

posted 07-20-2000 02:47 PM

Very few printers are currently capable of handling 6000-foot picture and sound negatives. Capability would develop if ELR was widely adopted.

ELR design issues and logistical problems were being addressed.

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Brad Miller
Administrator

Posts: 17775
From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall)
Registered: May 99

posted 07-21-2000 04:15 AM

None of the ELRs I ever got had any splices at the reel changes. They just had a guaranteed lab splice somewhere within. Still, I'd much rather get prints in on those and have 2 lab splices per print than get 6 separate reels where commonly there are 3-4 splices total.

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Chris Erwin
Expert Film Handler

Posts: 195
From: Olive Hill,KY
Registered: Oct 1999

posted 07-21-2000 11:22 AM

Brad,

To you know of anyone from TES coming to the web site? I mean,if they did,I looks like they'd have something to say about it.

(an I'm sorry would be a start!)

--Chris

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Brad Miller
Administrator

Posts: 17775
From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall)
Registered: May 99

posted 07-21-2000 12:40 PM

According to stats I've payed attention to in the past, yes there are people from TES "lurking" here. I guess rather than registering so they can answer questions and help out, they just want to see how many people are complaining about their service.

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Dave Cutler
Master Film Handler

Posts: 277
From: Centennial, CO
Registered: Jun 2000

posted 07-21-2000 04:06 PM

What service?

You call for trailers, "Sorry it's not in stock." They call wanting to pick up a print on Thursday night, but it HAS to be a specific print number. I know you can just switch the cans, but I still don't like that. I have even had times when they would come pickup a print on Friday morning and demand a different print. That's retarded, just make sure it's the right MOVIE and don't worry about the print number.

TES really needs a good quick kick in the...

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Curtis Barnes
Film Handler

Posts: 15
From: Laguna Hills, CA, USA
Registered: May 2000

posted 07-21-2000 04:45 PM

We don't need no stinkin service!

Anyone know how to build a bomb?

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