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Brad Miller
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I've never trained a film student, but I have trained a future actor. I suppose the difference there was he was very much into films, but had no technical knowledge. Anyway, he turned out to be exceptionally good at his job!

I've worked with several women in the booth and have mixed results. One of them in particular back in 1990 was definitely first rate and I wish she was still around to be able to work with. She was always interested in finding better ways of doing things and that makes a better operator of anyone, regardless of gender. We tried some of the most craziest ideas and the booth was a constant "testing ground", but the quality never suffered and everyone there walked out of the booth significantly better than when they walked in. Her attention to detail was what I admired the most. Since then there were other women operators who were also very good.

On the other hand, I've worked with a couple of women who couldn't be told anything. Try and demonstrate a possible alternative method for doing the job and the response was bitch, bitch, bitch...don't tell me how to do my job, I know what I am doing and I'm not damaging the film. This sort of attitude comes from women who have only been in the booth with a couple of years experience, too. (In all fairness, the same thing has happened with men as well, but from a more cocky standpoint.) So in that respect, I think it is absolutely crazy for such comments like women will keep a booth cleaner or are better operators. Those comments are sexist, plain and simple. Would a topic like "white people make better projectionists" or "gay people make better projectionists" even be accepted? That would be absolutely ludicrous and this is really the same thing. I don't think EITHER sex is better than the other. The bottom line is the individual person and how seriously he/she takes their job and how much he/she wants to improve their film handling practices and presentation. The final result on screen is what matters and anyone not willing to learn new methods for working with film (that goes for not sharing methods as well) and cannot seem to leave their personal problems at home, always coming into work in a bad mood and pouting around all during the shift is not a good operator in my book and is simply unprofessional.

Again, it all depends on the PERSON and NOT the gender. Women in general are no better than men and men in general are no better than women. I'm amazed such a prejudiced topic is even being discussed.


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Randy Stankey
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Gordon,

You CAN spray them with FG but it works BEST if you've sprayed them once or twice already. Then you've got to spray them again in a week.....

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Tyler Skinner
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You're catagorizing film students like your catagorizing the sexes. It all depends on the type of film student he/ she is. If its a really cocky spielberg wannabe, sure he's going to be all snobby about it. On the other hand there are film students who just want to learn the technical side of filmaking and are full gung-ho about projection and showmanship. Also I've found that film students that have worked with film have a better understanding of film because they know how to splice and film basics, unlike the average usher who wants to go upstairs so he can watch movies while he works.

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Tim Reed
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I had a USC graduate call me regarding projecting his award-winning short (I'm not joking, it really won some big to-do), at one of my theatres. It was a blow-up to 35mm, and I was amazed at his total lack of knowledge of such fundamentals like aspect ratios (this was almost as good as an architect I once ran into, who knew nothing about proportion). I was ready to set him up with whatever he needed to show it properly, but he had no clue as to what ratio his own film could be projected at.

He was more concerned with the projectionist showing all of the opening fade in.

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John Walsh
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Erika; It's so funny you said that.. This one guy tells me how a peice of film is like a "unspoiled scenic vista" that should never be degraded. I though: "Well, OK."

Remember the first "Superman" movie? He thought the credits were too long, and cut them out. Got caught, too, I'm pleased to say.

After training five film students I have gathered enough empirical data to make a vaild statistical profile of their interaction with projection.

I'm prejudiced. They are all a pain in the ass!

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John Wilson
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>>Remember the first "Superman" movie? He thought the credits were too long, and cut them out. Got caught, too, I'm pleased to say.<<

Damn! Those opening credits were great AND had the theme by John Williams which was some of his best work.

I hope you slapped him good and hard as well.

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Pat Moore
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Quick observation about cultures; I've been to projection booths in Japan where the entire booth staff -- including head projectionist -- are ladies, and they do a terrific job. You'll never see ladies in the booths in Korea, Philippines, Taiwan or Thailand. Beats me why.
I've had the pleasure of meeting some great operators and projectionists, both men and women. It's quality and care in work and as long as they do it, great by me. Ladies are certainly capable and I have to agree with one comment above -- they may actually pay better attention to some detail than the guys do.


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John Walsh
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Hi there, John Wilson!

It was the end credits he cut off. There's a sort of gap in the end credit roll about 2-3 min. in. He cut it there, and removed everything after until the MPAA rating tag at the end. A minor guy from Paramont had worked on the film and brought his mother to see his name in the credits.

The same guy decided the projector image was too low. So he filled some milk cartons with concrete and put them under the pedestal. It looked like four cows were holding up the projector. The manager said he laughed so much he decided not to fire him.

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Mark Gulbrandsen
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There was a great projectionist at the Tivoli Theater in Donwners Grove, Illinois years back. She ran 70mm better than most could. When local 110 moved her to a large 1st run plex the theater had problem after problem. No other operators seemed to do near as good a job as she did. They even sent out a 1 armed operator once, what a disaster!
Mark


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Paul Powers
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Well right now at our theatre we are split with 3 guys and 3 girls running our booth. Anyone working the booth will have to be o.k.ed by me first and I have seen that the women can pick it up just as well as the men. I have had a couple of guys that did excell at it but I am hopefull that we will have some of the curent girls continue to improve on thier booth experiance. Right now all any of them can handle is threading up and cleaning between shows. We have a tech that comes in for build ups and maitinence.

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Bill Enos
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I've had one woman, a college student but not a film student in the booth in 14 years, she was as good as the better guys. Only problem was she made us put the seat down. Film students? keep 'em in the box office and behind the concession.

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Leo Enticknap
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I don't think you can generalise too much about the abilities of women and/or students in a projection box - some will be OK, others won't.

The only real problem I can think of with women projectionists is lifting and carrying films. There was a female projectionist at the last cinema I worked, who was very competent and reliable (although her tendency to play Spice Girls CDs before screenings of French arthouse films did not go down well...). Her problem was that she was quite simply unable to lift complete prints from the delivery point to the box - she'd have to open the cases downstairs and carry the films up 3 reels at a time. If an assembled platter roll needed to be moved between screens, she had to get help from an usher or manager, which on some occasions caused delays.

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John Pytlak
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Leo said: "The only real problem I can think of with women projectionists is lifting and carrying films...If an assembled platter roll needed to be moved between screens, she had to get help from an usher or manager, which on some occasions caused delays."


An out-of-condition man might have the same difficulty. I've seen far too many projectionists risk their backs and health trying to carry an unbalanced load of heavy film cases or equipment, or unwieldy large rolls of film without assistance. Men are often too proud to ask for help, women wisely seek it.

Trying to lift and carry a full feature roll between platters alone is very likely to dish and cinch the film, and may spill the entire roll onto the floor. I like to eat spaghetti, not untangle it.


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Dave Bird
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I don't know if this is true or not, but I was talking to the former owner's wife of my favorite drive-in last week. She told me that of all her kids, only her daughter ever wanted to become a projectionist (desperately), but that she wasn't allowed by law. This is Ontario, Canada. Was this ever the case? I'm thinking it would've been the 70's or 80's (could've been the 60's as they ran it from '61 - '92). It's a damn shame. This was the best DI I ever saw, and as usual, got sold and torn down at a ridiculously low price. She wanted to take it over. Was there ever a dumb law here or anywhere actually PROHIBITING women projectionists???

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Gordon McLeod
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David there has never been any such law
The first female projectionists I know was in the very early 70's
The only restriction is the must be in good mental and physical health to operate fire fighting equipment

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