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John Walsh
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Maybe (in Canada) it was age that kept that girl from working?

A guy just told me that many years ago (like in the 1920's or so) there was a fire at a theater in Montreal. After that, they made a law that said no one under the age of 16 was allowed in a theater- unless with a parent. The law was waived once for "Snow White." Then many years later, the law was removed.

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Dave Bird
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Could've been age. The fire in Montreal I believe started in the booth with nitrate film of course. Supposedly caused a panicked "stampede" where dozens of children were trampled to death. After that, NO children under 16 were allowed into theatres at all. Eventually (well into safety film era) they were, but only accompanied by parent to afternoon matinees. It is said that this law, plus the Catholic Church in Quebec, kept drive-ins illegal there until 1967 (officially the church claimed morality issues, though many contend they didn't want competition for their own popular bingo games!). Drive-Ins did finally take hold there, and perhaps because of the late start, many survive there. It wasn't until the 60's (I'm told) that children were allowed to see movies in a Quebec theatre.

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Scott Norwood
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Here in Massachusetts, one must be at least 18 years old to get a projectionist license. Are there any other states/provinces which have such laws? Are they enforced? (And, as I've said before, the Mass. license exam is a joke: 50 questions true/false, passing score is 75% or something like that).

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Tom Kroening
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In all states you are required by law to be 18 years old to operate machinery (i.e. fork lifts, box crushers and projectors).

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Leo Enticknap
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In response to John P's points...

I agree, carrying made-up platter rolls is not ideal, but I am running a projection department, not a film archive. We handle prints as carefully as our equipment will allow, but this does impose limitations.

One of our three projection boxes has no make-up table, and so we have no choice but to carry fully made-up prints over there (we normally run them in one of the other screens first, to ensure that they're wound tight enough to minimise the risk of the collar falling out). Believe me, hauling a 15,000ft feature up and down twisting staircases and down 300 yards of corridors is not my idea of a fun-packed Friday morning.

When the City Council's health and safety officer visited some months ago, I invited him to carry 'Magnolia' (10 or 11 long reels) to screen 3. By the time he got to the bottom of the first staircase the poor bloke was puffing and panting like he was about to have a heart attack. So I take JP's point about the problem not just affecting women, though I would still argue that it is more likely to affect women more often.

Anyway, the Health and Safety officer insisted that a make-up table be provided for projection box 3 - only to be vetoed by the fire brigade on the grounds that the only place it could be located would block a fire exit and thus breach fire regulations. So the '16 tons' ritual continues.

It could be worse... we could be running 70mm in there.

As for moving assembled platter rolls being unkind to film, I agree that you have to be very careful to avoid edge damage when lifting the roll off the platter. However, which is likely to inflict more wear? Moving a fully-assembled print or spooling it off onto 6,000ft reels? To my mind, all that unnecessary winding is far more likely to contaminate the print than moving it on a platter roll (always assuming that the film is wound sufficiently tight to avoid cinching or rubbing as the film is manouevered from horizontal to vertical and back again).

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Gordon McLeod
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Sorry David I forgot to mention 18 years old
The fire in Montreal did not start in the booth but in the crawlspace under the front of the balcony
Apparently that was why it was so bad as the floor at the front of the balcony collapsed effectivly spliting the theatre in parts that in the dense smoke made it dificult to exit
In Ontario there was only one Nitrate booth fire in a drivein on the quebec border when unwound film was ignited by the smoking projectionist while he was threading
There was one other fire in a toronto theatre when a fire at night in the balcony spread into the booth through a left open port igniting film

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Brad Miller
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I'm with Leo here. If I have to move a humongous print or break it down to large reels, I'd much rather move the print fully built up. Every time a film is loaded and unloaded there is wear and tear, no matter how minimal. If the print is not broken down tightly, then the damage can be severe.

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John Pytlak
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Brad and Leo:

I know that having to move a built up roll between platters is a "fact of life" in most theatres. I agree that done carefully, the risk of damage to the print is probably less than breaking it down and making it up again.

My point was that if prints are moved, it should be done with care for the film, and concern for the health and safety of the people moving them. The best method is to let the film wind up on a solid platter disk or "doughnut". (AFAIK, units are sold by companies like Kelmar and Goldberg), and then to have TWO people carefully move the fully supported roll between platters. Moving an unsupported roll risks cinching, dishing, and perhaps spilling the entire roll on the floor. Trying to slip clamps or a "cookie sheet" under the roll after it has wound up on a platter risks edge damage. Trying to move an unwieldy full roll without help is very risky to both the film and the health/safety of the person doing it.

Sadly, there are too many "horror stories" of damaged films and personal injury when trying to move prints incorrectly. For examples, see the thread "projectionist nightmare" started by Scott McFly on 08/11/2000.

BTW, if the built-up roll is being stored off the platter, be sure to cover it, to protect it from dirt and damage.

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Dave Bird
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That's right Gordon, it wasn't the film (sorry fellows). Was the film fire at the "Border" Drive-In or Curry Hill? Being nitrate film, how long ago was that? Couldn't have been our buddy Bill in the booth? I suppose that old steel screen at the border will stand forever, beckoning all us kids who used to whiz by on the 401 to a show that will never start.

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Gordon McLeod
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I don't know which one other than the guy set it off with his cigarette and had 3rd degree burns to his face

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Gracia L. Babbidge
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*ahem* While there are some women out there that are little powder puff wimps, that doesn't mean we all are! I for one am something of a brute, more than capable of lugging the film cans upstairs to the booth. Too, I am quite used to moving fully made up prints on my own (big boss doesn't like that at all!) ...but at least I do use the clamps to do so. I've seen someone move prints on his own, without the clamps, on a fairly regular basis!

*flexes some muscles* Then again, I worked for several months unloading trucks, and thus built up more strength than I already possessed! (And my mom didn't raise me to be a wimp!)

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Gordon McLeod
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There is a balance to be found between brute force and finesce in this job. Many precision devices that are in use preferre Powder puff treatment and then there are others that ocasionally need the friendly touch of a 25lb sledge hammer (certain projector heads in particular)
I always look at it as it is the quality of presentation and work habits that finally count in the person who works the booth

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Gracia L. Babbidge
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"There is no greater strength than gentleness; neither is anything more gentle than strength."


...It now escapes me where I heard that. d'oh! >_<
I may be enough of a brute that I can move heavy stuff around easily, but at the same time, I'm an artist at heart. It shows in my eye for detail, in my hands with their delicate touch, and in my patience for tedious tasks.
Too, it never hurts if you're able to cope with being isolated from people, and able to cope with people thinking that you're crazy for liking being hidden away in the "dungeon"!

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Reeve Byrne
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At my theater we have had about four different female projectioist. They only work one or two days a week. At one time there were only three projectionist myself, the booth manager (male) and a a girl. There were little to know problems for months at a time. When ever they would throw someone new into the equation things would go wrong but they were always worse if the new person was a guy. I think that it does depend on the person, but we'll never know.

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Leo Enticknap
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To Gracia et al:

My earlier point wasn't intended to be in any way sexist; rather, I was making an observation based on a specific problem which the only female projectionist I've ever worked with had. I tell all the projection staff I am responsible for, male and (if there were any here) female, that they should only lift weights that they feel comfortable with, and to enlist help if they don't.

You may think this is out of concern and respect for my colleagues - well, OK, but there's another reason: if they do any of their backs in, I'll end up having work hours and hours of (probably unpaid) overtime. Besides, if anyone drops the collar out of a 15,000ft print, I'm buggered if I'm winding it up off the floor!

As for the lady projectionist mentioned in my earlier post, she once called me a 'wuss' for expressig reluctance to tighten a live rectifier core. 'Rather you than me', I commented, so she donned a pair of rubber gloves, took an insulated screwdriver and tightened it. That rectifier has run silently and with a rock-steady current ever since.

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