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Christos Mitsakis
Expert Film Handler

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From: Ag.Paraskevi, ATHENS, GREECE
Registered: Sep 1999


 - posted 09-26-2000 03:22 AM      Profile for Christos Mitsakis   Email Christos Mitsakis   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
We use mostly ISCO here, especially in new installations, and of course in upgrades of older booths but a couple of Schneiders I run into once were exceptional both in construction and performance

Regards from Greece,
Christos.

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Gordon McLeod
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The new ISCO red serries are the best in there focal length range for getting the most light out

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John Pytlak
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From: Rochester, NY 14650-1922
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 - posted 09-26-2000 02:32 PM      Profile for John Pytlak   Author's Homepage   Email John Pytlak   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Both are excellent lens manufacturers.

In reality, each focal length is a slightly different design, and the film curve in the projector gate is a factor, so you should really compare lenses from different manufacturers in your actual situation, using lenses of the same focal length. The SMPTE 35-PA (RP40) is the primary test tool (resolution, field flatness, chromatic aberration, flare, etc. are easily evaluated). A reel with really critical picture content (contrasty, lots of color, lots of sharpness detail) should also be projected with each lens to compare picture quality.

Doing this test, you may find that one lens is better for a curved gate or curved screen, and another would be the better choice for a straight gate or flat screen. Or one lens may be better for a large lamp (more heat deformation of the film)and the other preferred for a medium sized lamp.

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Brad Miller
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It's ashamed the two companies don't offer 7 day "loaner" lenses to decide between the competition.

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John Pytlak
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Many equipment dealers do offer loaners to try, if they have them on hand. But you damage -- you buy.

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John P. Pytlak, Senior Technical Specialist
Worldwide Technical Services, Entertainment Imaging
Eastman Kodak Company
Research Labs, Building 69, Room 7419
Rochester, New York, 14650-1922 USA
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John Walsh
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That's true; we've "auditioned" lenses many times in the past. One guy I know would get three: the size he thought it should be; one size bigger; and one smaller.)

I developed a methodology for our company to select lenses, and no longer need to do that.

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Mark Gulbrandsen
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From: Music City
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For the ultimate scope presentation you can't beat the Isco Blue Star 6 element lens. Its tack sharp! Have used it on Dailies a couple of times and you thought you were watching stuff that was shot in 65mm. An absolute huge difference. So huge you don't think you're watching scope.
For normal every day scope lenses I prefer the Schneider integrateds. They have the best lens adjustment and lens lock setup in the buisness. All other integrateds have certain features that allow the focus(actually astigmatism) adjustment to be thrown out quite easily into left field by some unknowing usher or candy girl.

For flat lenses it depends on your budget. Gord is right on the new Isco red lenses. My next choice would be Isco Ultra Star lenses then the standard Isco and Schneider would come next.

If your boss has the bucks always go for the best though.
Mark


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John Wilson
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Does Isco have a website?

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John Wilson
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Found it...
http://www.iscooptic.de/english.html

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Frank Prete
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From: Victoria, Australia
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All,

Recently we upgraded our screens at some of our older loocations. For both flat and scope images Schneider lenses were used. For the flat image we installed the variable primes! These lenses are ace. Being able to tailor the widescreen image to suit you screen/throw combination if a fantastic idea. For thoes who haven't heard of them, the variable primes are prime lenses that can be varied. The range may be something like 34.2 - 36.8. Whilst this may not seem like much, as long as you get your calculations correct, you can't go wrong. Definately worth a look.

Paul, with regard to your dodgy C/S lens, could it be the throw setting has not been correctly set? I think there is some info kicking about on how to set these.

Frank.

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David Kilderry
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From: Melbourne Australia
Registered: Sep 1999


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John,

Year ago I worked at the Forum here in Melbourne, fabulous theatre with Cinemeccanica Victoria 10's. Almost every feature was 70mm. For the Melbourne Film Festival one year brand new Schneiders were put in for 35mm and the change was unbelievable! The picture was razor sharp.

In recent years, our circuit used Isco and they are definately a quality lens, but we made the move to Schneider and they are a little better throughout most of the range.

Lenses do only have a finite life and if you have not had new bottles put in for about 15 years, whack in a couple of Schneiders and the difference will amaze you!

David

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Stefan Scholz
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Hard to say. I prefer Isco, as trhey tend to look more contrasty than Schneider. But a friend of mine recently made a comparison, Isco new "red barrel" series vs. the latest Schneiders, tested with my PSA and contrast measurement tools, the Schneider was a little ahead. (Both used on Kinotone FP 30E, 5 kW Xenon w/ 340 mm mirrors)

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Steve Guttag
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From: Annapolis, MD
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Stefan:

I am curious. Did the "Red" barrel ISCOs (the Ultra*Star HD Plus) lenses live up to their claim on more light as compared to the Schneider?

Steve

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Nic Margherio
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From: St. Louis MO, USA
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Paul Cunningham - I don't know what type of projector or gate design you have but I had a similar problem with one of my machines that I thought for months was a bad lens (or poorly rigged screen) Turns out it was more of a gate alignment problem than anything else. By adjusting the entire gate assembly (on a Simplex Millenium) I was able to achieve a much better focus on screen. It was exerting uneven tension top to bottom on the film and was causing the very conditon you describe. Just something you may want to try.

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Martin Frandsen
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Looks like it's a 50/50 to which lens brand people prefer.

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