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Topic: House light levels during show?
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John Pytlak
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From: Rochester, NY 14650-1922
Registered: Jan 2000
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posted 01-23-2001 05:33 AM
Chris:Regarding the high level of stray light on your outdoor screen: Can you work with your security and lighting people to put shields on the lights, so they don't shine directly on the screen? Many times, a simple baffle lets the light shine only where it's needed, and not on the screen. The same applies to EXIT signs in an indoor theatre. Safety regulations often mandate the location and brightness of the signs, but a simple shield would keep the light off the screen without compromising safety. Unfortunately, I've seen too many theatres where the edge of the screen is bathed in light from the EXIT signs.  ------------------ John P. Pytlak, Senior Technical Specialist Worldwide Technical Services, Entertainment Imaging Eastman Kodak Company Research Labs, Building 69, Room 7419 Rochester, New York, 14650-1922 USA Tel: 716-477-5325 Cell: 716-781-4036 Fax: 716-722-7243 E-Mail: john.pytlak@kodak.com
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John Pytlak
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posted 01-23-2001 01:35 PM
Rachel:Some of the newer EXIT signs that actually form the letters with strings of LEDs are fairly directional, shining most of their light directly forward, rather than in all directions. Some new directional fiber optic technology is also coming onto the market. Also, the technology used to make directional traffic signal lights might be applicable. Not sure, but either a fresnel lens or a fiber optic faceplate is used. I'm sure you've seen the traffic lights that are only visible from one lane, to avoid confusing drivers in the other lanes. What about just masking the edges of the screen so it doesn't reach right out to the side wall? Then you could use a black baffle to shield the screen from the sign, without casting a shadow on the image. Of course for stairs, the tiny LED path lights usually satisfy the inspectors for outlining the tripping hazard, yet don't throw much light into the auditorium or on the screen. Use the minimum brightness that still maintains safety. Here are a few links: http://www.amt4led.com/ http://www.micalighting.com/ http://www.multimediaLED.com/ http://www.schult.com/main.html http://www.sunnywell.com/ http://www.techni-lite.com/ ------------------ John P. Pytlak, Senior Technical Specialist Worldwide Technical Services, Entertainment Imaging Eastman Kodak Company Research Labs, Building 69, Room 7419 Rochester, New York, 14650-1922 USA Tel: 716-477-5325 Cell: 716-781-4036 Fax: 716-722-7243 E-Mail: john.pytlak@kodak.com
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John Eickhof
Jedi Master Film Handler

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From: Wendell, ID USA
Registered: Jan 2000
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posted 01-24-2001 12:17 AM
Regarding exit signs...there is a little known exception to the rule in the uniform fire code! In a theatrical situation where an exit sign meeting standard illumination requirements either distracts from or disturbs the stage, screen, or performance, it may be illuminated by 50% of rated output. This may be difficult to get the building inspector or fire marshall to accept, but it is in the code book and if they are diligent, they will find it and allow the exit sign to be 1/2 brilliancy. The new 'glow' type radiant type signs comply with this, but the LED types are WAY too bright! The easiest thing to do in an incandescent type sign is to wire the two existing bulbs in series, thus effectivly cutting output in half and giving a lifetime of service to the bulbs,(you should NEVER change the wattage or types of bulbs, as this WILL violate the code!) the thing to stress to the officials is that the 'emergency' section of the exit sign (if equipped) is still at full brilliancy! Thus no light is lost in case of power failure. ------------------ John Eickhof President, Chief Slave Northwest Theatre Equipment Co., Inc. P.O.Box 258 Wendell, ID. 83355-0258 208-536-5489 email: jeickhof@nteequip.com
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John Pytlak
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posted 01-24-2001 04:43 AM
Yes, the LED signs and stair path lighting are quite bright "out of the box". But they can be run at lower power levels too, as long as they are bright enough to conform to code.Kodak and film labs use LED path lighting in many of their darkroom areas --- paths and tripping hazards are easily outlined, with minimal light to fog the unexposed film. And most commercial aircraft now use LED path lighting to guide people to exits in the event of an emergency. Does anyone know if the codes allow maintaining EXIT signs and path lighting in theatres at a very low level during the show, and automatically raising it to a bright level during a fire alarm? EXIT signs must be bright enough to be easily seen, even through smoke. ------------------ John P. Pytlak, Senior Technical Specialist Worldwide Technical Services, Entertainment Imaging Eastman Kodak Company Research Labs, Building 69, Room 7419 Rochester, New York, 14650-1922 USA Tel: 716-477-5325 Cell: 716-781-4036 Fax: 716-722-7243 E-Mail: john.pytlak@kodak.com Web site: http://www.kodak.com/go/motion
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David Kilderry
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From: Melbourne Australia
Registered: Sep 1999
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posted 01-24-2001 05:30 AM
Chris,Can't one of the F-18's based at Tindal use the security lights for night-time target practise? Just be glad your outdoor is not at Amberly, then you would have something to complain about with all those F-111 dump and burns causing the screen to glow red! Only way to run a movie is with all house lights off. We have even dimmed our aisle lights in some theatres as the light fell on the screen. On my trips to NYC at no time has any theatre I've visited completly extinguished the house lights. David
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William Hooper
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From: Mobile, AL USA
Registered: Jun 99
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posted 01-25-2001 10:34 PM
Just for perspective, the typical 20s-30s movie palace with 3-circuit/3-color lighting usually had an *additional* circuit called "dim circuit" which kept a few low-wattage bulbs burning at all times in various light fixtures behind globes, glass, or some sconces. Usually a "dim circuit" used yellow bulbs, but I think I remember someone mentioning an older house with red bulbs in the dim circuit.Even in non-palace silent-era theaters (not nickelodeons), there was often a light circuit of bulbs left on at all times in sconces, chandeliers, or coves. I think when houses were that large (small non-palace theaters were larger than most multiplex auditoriums today) it was not so distracting to leave wall sconces 'way over there at half, or rows of those old-fashioned hooded aisle lights with 10 watt incandescents shining straight down. I like the looks of the old incandescent aisle lights, but they sure would be unneccesarily bright & distracting in tighter modern theater designs. But that's about what the light level was in theaters of typical size during the roadshow heyday, in the 50s, 60s, & early 70s.
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