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Ari Nordström
Master Film Handler

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From: Göteborg, Sweden
Registered: Jan 2000


 - posted 01-03-2001 02:12 PM      Profile for Ari Nordström   Email Ari Nordström   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
We use filtered tap water. We installed the filter (something a plumber recommended to us, actually) after having to pick apart and clean the lines about once a month or so...

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John T. Mellor
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From: Htafield, Pennsylvania, USA
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After runnig all kinds of equipment and problems of focus , heat distortion and film damage it is obvious that all of the discussion so far people have varring ideas on what to do to keepthe film and projector cool .One of the Drive ins that I worked had Simplex XL's with Perless Hycandesents [Carbon arc] We ran them at 190 to 210 amps If you didn't water cool the gate and lamp and add the glass heat filters and blowers it didn't take long to destroy film let alone redo your fingerprints.
I would advise anyone that has high wattage lamps to use all the methouds that they can to keep the projector and film from any damage from the heat generated.
FYI even thought the drive in fan club has decided to stop the owners association is still alive and well . I currently an the vice president till March . We are holding our metting of the United Drive in Theatre Owners association In Kissimee Fla. In Febuary. If anyone needs info. E-Mail me at johnm816@juno.com

Have a Great New Year
John

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Chris Erwin
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From: Olive Hill,KY
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John M. :

I'll see ya there!!

Fellow UDITOA Member...
Chris

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Larry Shaw
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From: Boston, MA, USA
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 - posted 01-10-2001 03:07 PM      Profile for Larry Shaw   Author's Homepage   Email Larry Shaw   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Kinoton's circulators are actually coolers, with freon-style refrigeration systems and thermostats. Of course the typical booth circulator becomes a "hot water relocation system" after a short bit of operation. The old Ashcraft circulators had a coil of copper tubing and a fan: poor, but better than nothing.

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Mark Gulbrandsen
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 - posted 01-10-2001 04:46 PM      Profile for Mark Gulbrandsen   Email Mark Gulbrandsen   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Larry, Thats a great idea. Its about time someone came up with that type of cooler. What do they cost? I always hated the hot water circulation tanks.
Mark

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John Walsh
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 - posted 01-10-2001 08:40 PM      Profile for John Walsh   Email John Walsh   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Isn't an actual cooling system overkill? (I'm asking; not complaining!) I mean, you are just trying to get the gate temperature down to a reasonable 90-100'F or so.

I love sexy-fancy equipment, but I would think such a system would not make much difference in picture quality for the majority of theaters, which run 4K or less. Also, it's going to be much more expensive that what a regular water-cooling system costs, in addition to more maintaince (which most theaters also lack.)

Again, not trying to negative, but it seems like a system for "special" theaters, not your regular multiplex.

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Pat Moore
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I've got to say that I've never seen water in these standard recirculators even get past the tepid stage, let alone warm enough to brew tea. I've seen quite a number of locations using one circulator to cool two single projectors with platters in close proximity to each other.

Refrigerant cooling would seem just a bit overkill to me. If that's needed to keep the trap operationally cool, then there has to be something else in the optical system that's getting really, really hot. Even the high-powered 870 systems we've built with 10kw behind them don't go that far.

Pat


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Gordon McLeod
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Our circuilators use a transmission radiator to act as a heat exchanger to remove the heat
A few years ago we did a twin 70mm 3d installation useing 7K lamps and we used the century circulators and after 20min the water was to hot to put your hand in.
In the first ToddAo install at the rivoli they had a chiller unit to cool the traps with the gertner ventarcs

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Mark Gulbrandsen
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In most presently available circulators I have found that the water temperature just keeps climbing till it does get too hot to put your hand in. With lamps larger than 7KW Tea should be easily possible after just three shows! Presently available circulator systems are woefully inadaquate with anything over a 3K lamp on most projectors so the existance of the Kinoton circulator is good news. Its an easy modification to install a small radiator and fan. This helps out and thats what allot of people do.
Mark


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Chris Erwin
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The fan/radiator combo...besides the ol' Ashcraft units (what we used where I used to work-till it went bad)are there any produced units for sale or is it Rube Goldburg time...A time honored tradition in this field...

--Chris

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Mark Gulbrandsen
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Chris, Its pretty much Rube Goldberg for that. Strong's circulator, which is the only other commercial unit other than the Kinoton that I know of is just that and no aux cooling.
Actually a pretty nice circulator, even better than the Ashcraft can be made fairly inexpensively.
Mark @ GTS

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Gordon McLeod
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For many years the now defunked Atlantic Audio Visual produced the one I have with the radiators on the top
Apperatntly they a re a copy of the mole richardson ones used in the UK maybe Dick or Ben are familiar with the original UK design

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John Wilson
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For the first 9 years of its 'new' life, the cinema I was chief at ran its cooling water straight through the JJ's and down the sink. When I pointed out that this was very much a no-no and suggested a tank of sorts to recycle the water, they agreed and I had our plumber make me one.

This was a piece of ART man! He was (is) a big fan of H.G. Welles and what he made was something right out of one of his novels. There were tubes (lots of tubes) and bottles and fans and lights and at the end of it all we continually ran at temperatures of 50 to 60 degrees F. Even on 70mm in one screen and 35mm in another both running from the same unit.

The cost of the unit came to over $5,000 and they paid it because they had approved it prior and we had been given what we asked for. They were also...well...stupid.

Of course, I simply didn't want the $300 version. I wanted something that looked good too. The fact the 'upper' management were all morons and had happily paid for it added to my enjoyment of my new and expensive acquisition every time I walked into the booth and saw it. I had it mounted on the wall so that anyone who walked into the booth saw the unit from H.G. first. I got more conversations about that than the huge JJ on a pedestal!

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Barry Floyd
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I've got two of the old "Ashcraft Water Coolers" with the coiled copper tubing on the top. Both are in need of some serious cleaning and de-scaling. It's kind of obvious the former owner ran straight tap water through them. They were used with a pair of Ashcraft "Core-lite" lamphouses.

I've checked and can get new motors for them through Grainger. Would they be worth repairing and restoring or just junk'em and use the plastic garbage pail and a submersible pump?

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Randy Bowden
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Personally I would not bother with water cooling a simplex unless you should happen to develope problems. All the ACT 3 installs that I did were a 4K bulb NO water cooling. Just make sure the bulb is focused proper and the lamp house in good alignment.

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