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Ian Price
Phenomenal Film Handler

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From: Denver, CO
Registered: Jun 99


 - posted 03-15-2001 06:55 PM      Profile for Ian Price   Email Ian Price   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
We have 5 screens, 2 are Dolby Digital, 1 is DTS-6 and the other two are JS2000 with SR adaptors. In the year we have been open, we have run almost all films in Dolby Digital. We have received DTS discs for 6 titles and been able to play only 2 of them in DTS. We will not be monkying around with SDDS.

As Joe can tell you, we worked in a couple of theatres that all the sound formats. While we enjoyed SDDS and DTS, Dolby is just simply play and forget.

Based on our expirience, I would say, Dolby won! I would only buy Dolby Digital.


Scott Norwood
Film God

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From: Boston, MA. USA (1774.21 miles northeast of Dallas)
Registered: Jun 99


 - posted 03-15-2001 07:17 PM      Profile for Scott Norwood   Author's Homepage   Email Scott Norwood   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Personally, I don't think that anyone should get any digital sound equipment until the optical system is sounding as good as it possibly can, with top-notch amps and speakers and regular alignments. Analog sound quality should not be compromised just to be able to put the word "digital" on the marquee.

I would say that Dolby and DTS are comparable, although they are different systems. Dolby costs more, but is available on more titles. DTS is cheaper, but is not quite as common, especially on art or foreign titles. If a print has only one digital format, it's likely to be Dolby SR-D. Both systems are reliable in most cases, but neither is bulletproof. DTS requires that you get the disks, which isn't normally a problem, but might be if you are playing late-run prints for only a few days at a time.

If I owned a theatre, I would get Dolby first because of availability of prints. If I wanted a second system, I would get DTS. I don't see much reason to bother with SDDS, since it is the most expensive and least reliable; the only reason to even consider it is if your auditorium is set up for 5 screen channels, but there are so few SDDS-8 titles that it's hardly worth bothering with. If you have 70mm capability, DTS is worth considering for that reason alone, as any future 70mm release of more than one or two prints is likely to be DTS and not mag.

That's my take on this, anyway, and is pretty much what everyone else here has said.

Ian Price
Phenomenal Film Handler

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Good Point Scott!

1st, the room should sound good. It helps to be able to design the room with a good acoustical designer.

2nd, the equipment should sound good. Buy the best that you can afford and have it installed and set up by a good technician. Never pass up free advice from the kind people at Dolby labs.

3rd, choose a digital system. But then that's the easy choice, isn't it?

David Kilderry
Master Film Handler

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From: Melbourne Australia
Registered: Sep 1999


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Aaron Mehocic:

I have found Smart to be reliable mostly but have had one unit that was troublesome. The Panastereo improves with each model. We run three at a drive-in and several others elsewhere, happy with results, have had average amount of board failures over the years.

In my opinion neither have proved as reliable as Eprad or as versatile and user friendly as a CP65. I always rate a piece of projection equipment on results, usability and reliability as found by the projectionist, not the tech! Results to the paying customer and ease of operation and reliability for projectionists are the key.

I love the CP200, but would admit they are far from user friendly in today's multiple booths.

David

Michael Cunningham
Expert Film Handler

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From: Anchorage, AK
Registered: Nov 1999


 - posted 03-16-2001 06:52 AM      Profile for Michael Cunningham   Email Michael Cunningham   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Okay, first the list of equipment. All 9 of my houses have the same setup which includes the following. CP500's as the base sound processor (the early models without the "dimple" on the fader knob, D's maybe??), DTS 6D's (3 drives of the early, Toshiba??, type) and SDDS 2000's (the early model without analog and having the "hard-to-thread" heads). The SR-D and Analog are read from a dual, reverse scan, visible red L.E.D. basement reader system made by Component Engineering. The DTS and SDDS heads are mounted in the usual penthouse positions with DTS on top (and, of course, a Kelmar film cleaner bracket above that for the proper application of Film-Guard!!).

As to usage, we go with SR-D almost exclusively. The SDDS is avoided for obvious reasons (just see any previous topic about the quality of this sound format). The DTS use is spotty due to the fact that we have the older, defective drives. At any given time, half of the drives in the complex refuse to read any discs and we have only had the upgrade kit installed in 2 houses. The "home office" just keeps sending us more defective drives to replace the ones that have gone Tango Uniform.

-Mike

Greg Mueller
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Although this does not apply to commercial applications, I think it's worth mentioning. For collectors DTS is probably more desireable, simply because a film might be obtained in a foreign langauage and all one has to do is get the "English" DTS disks and you're in business. If one where to locate a desirable print of something or other in Spain say, you could still run it in English digitally. Course I know of no collectors, or should I be disposed to discuss such collecting should it exist.

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Greg Mueller
Amateur Astronomer, Machinist, Filmnut

Antonio Marcheselli
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Hello guy,
My theater has two Cinemeccanica V5 with basement Dolby Digital readers that work perfectly (the readers...).
We installed DTS6 back in 1993 with Jurassic Park. Now that we have replaced CD-Rom drives and repaired timcode readers DTS works perfectly.
Well, Dolby is very good and DTS is more "complex" to use, but I strongly prefer DTS sound.
I believe that auditorium make the difference. Since DTS has clearer HF, if the acustic of the room is poor the results is very bad.
For example my theater was builded in 1938 and was completely renewed on 1985. Acustic is not bad but not like an actual THX theater! Weel, when I use DTS the sound is better (IMHO) but the acustical answer from the auditorium is worse.
I can definitely say that in a good theater DTS sounds better!

Finally there is the EQ: in a theater I saw 007: the world is not enought. EQ was so wrong that DTS sounds horrible. Theaters manager told me that "they prefer DD"!!

A negative note: in Italy not more distributors has DTS available. If you are not showing UIP movies, you'll use your DTS rarely... Also, EVERY time have the disks is like asking for a miracle...

Bye
Antonio

Charles Everett
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Loews used to brag that it had nothing but SDDS in all its auditoriums. With its newer theaters (built 1998 and later) Loews started using Dolby Digital as well as SDDS.

Compatability with film prints prevailed over corporate synergy -- at least in this case.


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German Marin
Expert Film Handler

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From: Verbania (VB), Italy
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 - posted 12-16-2001 06:39 PM      Profile for German Marin   Email German Marin   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
At the theatre where I work (7 screens) we use CP650 and Digital penthouse cat. 701 and surround EX in screen 1, 6 and 7 . All the amplifiers are QSC RMX2450 (The cinema was opened on May 26, 2001)

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Bobby Henderson
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With the Loews-Cineplex Odeon merger, DTS has to be figured in on some of those builds. Cineplex Odeon was partially owned by MCA/Universal, who is also a minority shareholder in DTS.

I like DTS for the sound. I think it sounds a touch better than Dolby's SR*D theatrical system. If SR*D were running at 448kb/s like it does on DVD the differences would be much harder to tell. Every theater screen equipped for digital sound where I live has DTS. Implementation is certainly not equal however. My friend's Carmike theater is just downright the best complex in this part of Oklahoma, and its sound quality is often better than what I can hear at any digital sounded theater in Oklahoma City for that matter. These days, if a movie I want to see is not playing at the Carmike 8, I'll usually wait for the DVD.

The matter of having good quality amplifers, speakers and other equipment AND having a good tech to get it and keep it set up right is of the utmost importance. The Carmike 8 in Lawton has that. Comparisons between digital formats can only take place when all the other stuff is set up properly as a foundation for the comparison.

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Wes Hughes
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We have 5 CP-650's with cat. 701 penthouse readers, three CP-500's, two with Kelmar basement readers, and one with cat. 700 70mm penthouse reader, two CP-50's with SR cards and LED reverse scan readers, and two CP-50's with traditional forward scan readers. These are obviously at different locations.

As you can see, I am a big Dolby fan. The CP-650's with the cat 701's are my top choice right now...hands down....but only with the penthouse readers. I have had very good and very bad experiences with the basement readers and would never reccommend them.

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Per Hauberg
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My screen #1 runs both DTS and SRD (ex), - normally both systems without trouble of any kind, except for DTS ready beeing a bit unstable right now.
Agreed, Dolby' got something there in their "no extra inventory" claim, but then, DTS wins anyway by hearable better sound quality.
Therefore, when screen #2 followed, the chose was clear: DTS.

/ p.

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William Bunch
Film Handler

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From: Misawa, Japan
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I can only speak for the Army and Air Force theaters in the Pacific, some 25 of them. All the larger operations are stereo and up until two years ago were still using Dolby CP55 processors. That's when we started upgrading to Dolby digital and the CP500 and CP650 processors. All our Dolby readers are CAT701 (LED). We mounted these "attic" readers between the supply magazine and the Simplex projector by way of two very heavy aluminum plates. All our theaters are on 2,000 ft changeovers. (Movie only plays two days then is on its way)

Our analog CP55s date back to 1986 and except for one power supply card and a piece of wire shorting out the test jack on the back panel we have not had any problems. Our theaters are not antiseptic by any means with all sorts of HVAC and salt air gremlins to play against so this is saying alot for Dolby's durability. They hold up well.

With the newer digital units there have been no problems.

Almost all our films come in with Dolby digital tracks and we don't even consider the other formats. For us it's a challenge just getting the films around on the circuit. We don't need to worry about lost and misshipped CDs and the like.

Off the track just a little:
I would like to see what the talk is concerning speakers. In our older systems we always specified JBL but in our new digital systems we have installed EAW (Eastern Acoustic Works) I have to say EAW makes a great sounding system. Just wondering since I've only heard JBL mentioned here in the forums. You guys always have so many interesting experiences/viewpoints.

Bill Bunch
Misawa, Japan

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Adam Fraser
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CP55 with a DA20, installed several years ago and absolutely no problems since. Great set-up

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Mike Judge
Film Handler

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From: Seattle, WA
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You might say I'm spoiled, every one of the 12 screens has a CP-500, a DTS-6D and a Sony 2000 (unfortunately!) Dolby comes through the CE basement readers, which I have no problems with although others have 'claimed' to have problems with. Sony is hardly run, what a waste in my opinion. It's money we could've spent of giving me a raise! I'm up in the air over the DTS vs. SRD argument, DTS I love, but hey, Dolby is everywhere and is still great. Couple it with some QSC amps, and you've got quite a nice system. Now if only I could get some of the people there to believe me about Sony....whew...that's another topic though!

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